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The new online venture of the traditional media, The Politico, starts publishing in a few weeks. With a singular focus on national politics, you don't have to wonder who the target audience for its publishers is: you.

The phenomenal growth of political blogs over the last five years is undoubtedly causing visions of dollar signs to dance in the heads of publishers like Robert Albritton, financier of The Politico.

Mr. Allbritton also said he has no political agenda and is in the business because it could be profitable; if Google or some other entity eventually wanted to buy it, he said, "that would be great," but that it is not part of his business plan. (He had briefly considered buying The Hill last year, but declined; the asking price was a reported $40 million.)...

He predicted that The Politico would start turning a profit in less than five years, from advertising in all of its incarnations — on the Web, with its own television program and in a limited print edition, with 30,000 copies three days a week while Congress is in session and one day a week when Congress is in recess. The Politico will be free for readers, both online and in print.

Albritton is gambling on what might be a shaky bet: he'll get enough eyeballs to make the venture a go. What's risky in this? To me it seems like he's betting that the medium trumps the message. By hiring veteran Washington political reporters like Jim VandeHei and John F. Harris to lead the site, Albritton is betting that the beltway sources will follow, that his site will be able to compete with the national desks of the WaPo and NYT.

But does the target audience--you--care whether you get the same Washington, D.C. perspective repeated in a new venue or on the national pages of a newspaper? Seems to me the reason the blogs have proliferated so is because we bring a different perspective than what D.C. insiders provide, a perspective that has been absent in the national debate for a long time--ours. Regular people's.

It will be interesting to watch The Politico, to see if they can extend the media revolution in any meaningful way. But it's going to take more than just a reporter's blog or two. After all, as Joe Klein is so effectively demonstrating, you can't just write the same old stuff in a different medium and expect the people to call it new.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 02:23 PM PST.

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  •  I'll think I'll take a wait & see approach. (1+ / 0-)
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    Walt starr

    Things like this can change from the concept stage to its actual reality.  Hopefully it can be informative.

    •  Me too... (1+ / 0-)
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      Somehow, I have to think that they have something to bring to their new project given what they gave up to pursue it. If they just publish their own tired drivel on a blog, they will crash and burn. If they exploit what is unique about online media they will have a chance to succeed based on their content.

      The Huffington Post is a good example of a hybrid between conventional media and new media. And it is succeeding nicely.

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      by KingOneEye on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 02:31:45 PM PST

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      •  Genius! Pure Unadulterated Genius!! (2+ / 0-)
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        java4every1, bnasley

        Remember when all the dot-commers went out and registered all those groovy web domains just knowing that they would make millions?

        I mean, if could fetch millions, why not as well?

        Wait a minute...

        On second thought, what a moronic idea...

        "Uncle Fredo's gone fishing, son...yeah, that's it..."

        by TheManWithNoPoint on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 02:36:29 PM PST

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    •  If they have/can find a niche... (0+ / 0-)

      They might be a success. But, if they simply regurgitate what can be found elsewhere, at mainstream sites like CNN or MSNBC or, hell, here on Daily Kos or the Huffington post, then they will ultimately be unremarkable.

      •  Have you checked out .. (0+ / 0-)

        Klein's ramblings yet?   What a wrtech that new blog is.  I wonder how long it is before they take down comments.  Joe and crew are getting eaten alive over there.   ;-)

      •  As a beltway inside publication, (1+ / 0-)
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        they should just conduct a poll. Ask Joe Lieberman...
        Ahhhh, unanimous support for the project.

        "I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies; for the hardest victory is over self." --Aristotle

        by java4every1 on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 04:45:31 PM PST

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      •  Their niche, with truth or truthiness? (0+ / 0-)

        If it's a blog, does that mean factcheckers can post corrections?

        Does that mean their spin can be instantly deconstructed online?

        If so, we should be polishing our keyboards and our manners, in preparation.

        I suggest that swarms of Traditional REAL Republicans should be active participants.

        Infliltrate, blend in nicely....Then.....explode inside their heads....not "out in front" where they can see you, disregard/discount you, or  pre-empt you by removing their heads from your words.

    •  A sign of a burgeoning (1+ / 0-)
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      industry. But as yet, even with it's growing influence, the blogosphere is still an amorphous entity full of as yet undefined potential. We are a long way from this media to be thoroughly defined. It's like inventing electicity---OK, we have this, now what do with it?

      it tastes like burning...

      by eastvan on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 02:55:06 PM PST

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    •  Follow the Money, Follow the DNA, too: (0+ / 0-)

      The New York Times walks on tippy toes with this one. Allbrittons. Tools. Bush. GOP. Saudis. The name alone, Allbritton, should strike terror in your heart. I'm also suspicious of anybody described as a "scion" of anything!

      • ALLBRITTON-BUSH LINK: Allbritton, who said during the federal probe that he was stepping down from Riggs's board, also was close to the Bush family. As the NYT reported, he (along with Riggs client Saudi Prince Bandar) was a financial backer of the George Bush Presidential Library and Museum, with National Journal noting he contributed between $100,000 - $250,000 to the project. And there also appears to be a personal bond with the current President Bush: As the 2/15/01 WP noted, "When President Bush climbed out of his limousine on Inauguration Day at the corner of 15th Street and Pennsylvania Avenue, he spotted Allbritton, waved and said, 'Hey Joe, how are you doing?'" That might have something to do with the fact that, according to the 11/7/2000 Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, Allbritton-owned TV station KATV in Little Rock broke 39 years of precedent and publicly endorsed Bush in the 2000 presidential election. The station, which is the biggest in the state, proceeded to air its endorsement 10 times throughout Arkansas, and refused to give equal time to Democrats "who asked for the time to present an alternative to the station's endorsement."

      [9-11 money and other shady Riggs Bank the full article linked below]
      . . .

      Robert L. Allbritton, 37, scion of the banking and media family that once owned the defunct Washington Star, said in an interview that he would finance The Politico for "the foreseeable future" and has committed to paying for expensive campaign travel. He has hired a staff of about 50 people, almost half of them journalists.

      He is best known for following his father, Joe L. Allbritton, as chief executive of the Riggs Bank, which was sold in 2004 after a Senate investigation found that Gen. Augusto Pinochet, the late Chilean dictator, had kept millions of dollars in secret accounts at Riggs. Robert Allbritton has been chairman and chief executive of Allbritton Communications, which owns television stations in Washington and a half dozen other markets, since 2001.

  •  Blogs like this are successful... (3+ / 0-)
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    skippy, Richard Lyon, TomP

    ...because in addition to the proprietors stating their views, they let everyone have a real say and help choose the topics.

    VOTE your mind on Equal Protection from Genital Mutilation, TODAY!

    by RealityBias on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 02:23:05 PM PST

  •  Don't see it (5+ / 0-)
    I think that the value of blogs is as like-minded communities that develop organically. I don't want to be spoon-fed mock-neutral perspective by from the online equivalent of your daily newspaper. Heck, I could read the daily newspapers' websites for that and most of them have "blogs" now. Also, it seems like the most interesting, well-read and successful blogs are those that have strong specific interests or views, not those that try to ape the pretend objectivity of the mainstream media.

    Secretary of State-elect Jennifer Brunner: screwed-up elections in Ohio soon to become history!

    by anastasia p on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 02:24:34 PM PST

  •  I will read about it here (1+ / 0-)
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    if it's of any significance and passes the smell test.

    Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity. Horace Mann (and btw, the bike in kayakbiker is a bicycle)

    by Kayakbiker on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 02:27:24 PM PST

  •  *bzzzzzzt* (5+ / 0-)

    Wow! The same old Beltway pap in a new blog-shaped box! Who wouldn't want that?

    Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. -- Martin Luther King

    by kingubu on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 02:27:47 PM PST

  •  When Google tries (1+ / 0-)
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    Ed in Montana

    to buy dKos what will be my split?

    "I was Rambo in the disco. I was shootin' to the beat. When they burned me in effigy. My vacation was complete." Neil Young. Mideast Vacation.

    by Mike S on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 02:28:58 PM PST

  •  It's about time (9+ / 0-)

    they gave me my due.

    I'm the fucking Time Person of the Year, for pete's sake. Their stupid rag damn well better cater to me!

    The "middle of the road" is where the chickens get run over.
    -8.13, -4.15

    by Eddie in ME on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 02:31:05 PM PST

  •  Didn't they try this already with (3+ / 0-)
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    skippy, esquimaux, dougymi

    pajamas media?
    How's that working out?
    /snark off.

    We have no future because our present is too volatile. We only have risk management. The spinning of the given moments scenario. Pattern Recognition. ~W. Gibson

    by Silent Lurker on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 02:32:47 PM PST

    •  Unfair comparrison. (1+ / 0-)
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      This guy is hiring people who actually report facts as opposed to people who fake facts in order to further their agenda.

      "I was Rambo in the disco. I was shootin' to the beat. When they burned me in effigy. My vacation was complete." Neil Young. Mideast Vacation.

      by Mike S on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 02:36:09 PM PST

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      •  but but but (0+ / 0-)

        emphasis at Pajamas Media/Blog News Service should not be on being "fair and balanced" (judged to be inexact terms for a variety of reasons), but to be "honest and transparent." This latter had many interesting and sometimes amusing permutations, but one I liked was that we should imitate Sgt. Joe Friday of the old Dragnet show and seek "Just the facts, ma'am."

        they tell us they report just the facts!

        We have no future because our present is too volatile. We only have risk management. The spinning of the given moments scenario. Pattern Recognition. ~W. Gibson

        by Silent Lurker on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 03:11:29 PM PST

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  •  Even if your assumption holds... (2+ / 0-)
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    Ed in Montana, MrSandman

    Even if there is an audience for Beltway gossip "reporting", why would anyone believe this market isn't already being satiated?

    It's not as though sources for such inside baseball are limited.  The Note is basically a double shot of cynical conventional wisdom already.  Wonkette is about the same, but without the puritanical aversion to the word "fuck".  And the various ideological sites, from TPM to National Review's blogs also focus predominantly on Washington, though they at least offer slightly different spins on their coverage.

    What market does Albritton think he's tapping?

    Read James Loewen's "Sundown Towns"!

    by ChicagoDem on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 02:32:47 PM PST

    •  satiated? (0+ / 0-)

      second runs OFTEN win the battle for long term mindshare.

      they intend to take that audience as well as grow it with their traditional media influence.

      strong infrastructure, fair play and sober leadership

      by pyrrho on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 04:38:58 PM PST

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  •  The old media doesn't understand content (5+ / 0-)
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    skippy, Midwest Meg, MrSandman, bnasley, TomP

    They think the political blog revolution is all about format.

    They need to understand, it's all about CONTENT!

    Obama '08, the only chance to win back the White House.

    by Walt starr on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 02:33:29 PM PST

  •  The diff: conversation, not indoctrination (13+ / 0-)

    So some Beltway refugees get their blog on.


    Can they handle contradiction, commentary, fact-checking, trolling and snark, all at the same time, all in real time?

    Given that they don't like it even part of the time now?

    I was a postmodernist, back in the modern age.

    by cskendrick on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 02:33:49 PM PST

    •  Exactly (4+ / 0-)
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      Midwest Meg, SallyCat, cskendrick, TomP

      I'm betting that they think its all about technology, not the two-way, real-time conversation that technology provides.

      The first time someone calls VandeHei "a fucking cobag" comments will go away, then what will they have... an all-electronic version of the crap no one was reading before.

      Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. -- Martin Luther King

      by kingubu on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 02:44:41 PM PST

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      •  The new polities of the future-- (0+ / 0-)

        Participation and Orchestration.

        The same technologies support both. The first is free. The second is the worst form of tyranny Humanity will have ever seen.

        You've had a taste of it already. Or at least your right-wing neighbors have.

        It tastes like kool-aid.

        I was a postmodernist, back in the modern age.

        by cskendrick on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 02:56:43 PM PST

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    •  i'd be happy if they could just handle fact check (0+ / 0-)

      fact checking.

      Of course, if they could handle fact checking...  well... i can dream, can't I?

      Seattle City Peoples Hardware rocks. And not just because I work there and my boss told me to say that.

      by bnasley on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 06:16:07 PM PST

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  •  Oh, goody, more CW to gag on (1+ / 0-)
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    Oh, I suppose someone will login and check it out but it won't be me.  I might be wrong but the folks running The Politico are not going to take a backseat to their audience.  Can you imagine having a user replace or augment Jim VandeHei's content on the frontpage?  Not on your life.  It won't be the free for all that it is here and if it is, why bother going over there?  
    BTW, VandeHei has a weird nose, not that it has any impact on his journalism for good or ill.  It's just distracting.  

    -3.63, -4.46 "Choose something like a star to stay your mind on- and be staid"

    by goldberry on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 02:35:48 PM PST

  •  Beltway blather is still beltway blather (2+ / 0-)
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    skippy, kay dub

    whether it comes as a rag or a blog.

  •  a sucker born every minute (3+ / 0-)
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    Ed in Montana, zeke L, bnasley

    Does Albritton know why VandeHei's blog nickname is 'pool boy'?

    New online media ventures (including the Huffington Post) are successful precisely because they don't subscribe to beltway groupthink. It really makes you wonder if Albritton has any clue about this medium...

    •  Will there be a job for VandeHei's wife? (1+ / 0-)
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      Midwest Meg

      With Tom DeLay no longer Majority Whip, Jim VandeHei's wife, Autumn Hanna, no longer collects a salary as his "social/family policy advisor."

      Her Republican credentials are impeccable. Anyone know what she is doing these days?

    •  vandehei and the others (3+ / 0-)
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      zeke L, Midwest Meg, QuickSilver

      want to perpetuate the beltway groupthink.  There's more money in it for them. They think that's what people want, more of the same that brought us chris matthews and tim russert. I'll enjoy watching it go down in flames.

      A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

      by dougymi on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 03:45:55 PM PST

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      •  the bigger problem is beltway backscratching (3+ / 0-)
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        and the kind of "wink-wink, nudge-nudge" that resulted (for example) in Time Magazine appealing to the Supreme Court to protect the embarrassing fact that Rove was Matt Cooper's source, even as Time matter-of-factly reported White House denials of Rove's involvement, and Viveca Novak ran helpful messages to Rove's lawyer....

        The problem is bigger than groupthink. Frankly, backscratching is far too polite a word for what really goes on.

  •  Maybe we'll get luckier (0+ / 0-)

    and they'll hire Jennifer Medina!

  •  It'll meet low expectations (2+ / 0-)
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    Sprinkles, kay dub

    With few exceptions, good writers have been accessible online for a long time.  If you're sipping sludge through a straw, from a demi-tasse cup, from a schooner, or whatever, sludge is still sludge.

    Quality analysis and quality presentation is in high availability now, and you needn't look to far to find it.

    If this new site expects more audience and a more vigorous and informative discourse, it'll have to create some differentiation or some sort of wow.  Olbermann managed that by actually questioning the lies and bullshit and calling those who push it.  Sadly, it's a nearly unique niche.

    Maybe some of these guys should leave the beltway and enter the real world.  Just thinking.

    As it is, there are way too many hours of cable news and opinion.  More directly, there are only about 5 minutes per hour needed for actual news.  News 24/7 is a joke, there isn't enough news to fill it.  The 5 minutes leaves 20 minutes for ads and 35 minutes for the likes of the Hannitys, Crosbys, Tuckers, O'Reillys, car chases on the LA freeways, TMI about Tomkat and Brangelina, and lipsticking the pigs.

  •  Oh brother (8+ / 0-)

    Mr. Allbritton also said he has no political agenda and is in the business because it could be profitable; if Google or some other entity eventually wanted to buy it, he said, "that would be great," but that it is not part of his business plan.

    Not good. Not good at all.

    Blogs are not like dotcoms circa 1996. Political blogs even more so. Abstractions about concepts don't cut it. Milquetoast neutrality will kill it like cancer.

    Blogs that deal with politics are hard. I don't know why this is hard to grasp seven years into the game.

    They actually have to speak to somebody with content or voices unavailable anywhere else, bring together content or voices that would take all day to filter through unless they were condensed so, and-or speak to somebody passionately enough to make them feel like it is a part of their political life to come there or they become irrelevant and then they become gone.

    The DailyKos doesn't have dozens of equally successful liberal and moderate rivals, and no conservative equal that I can see, doing the exact same thing the exact same way, for a reason.

    This is a unique site. Often imitated, sometimes practically cloned, but still unique.  

    One that came together and rose to the top of the heap by good fortune and good content, and it formed into a community. It grew organically. Kos didn't go around recruiting readers... they flocked here on their own.

    And Kos certainly didn't have an attitude like 'fuck it, if I can sell it to Time Warner in three years, awesome. I'm out.'

    The Huffington Post came along after the Daily Kos and a myriad of other blogs, and its doing fine as far as I can tell, because Arianna Huffington, for all of her faults and all of the opinions about her one might have, actually gives a shit about what she is following and so do the vast majority of her compatriots blogging underneath her masthead.

    The Huffington Post, love it or hate it, is a viable. It worked. So a successful blog or information clearinghouse is still possible to found. But you have to give a shit.

    This is a bad thing to have on the record before you are even out of the gate.

  •  This is so frustrating. (6+ / 0-)

    There's a lot I really, really value in newspapers and would like to see new sources of support for - the investigations into things like increasing diabetes rates and how prevention could happen and how the healthcare industry needs to be restructured to respond to it.  Examinations of the effects of deregulation.  Big-picture takes on things like global warming.  You know, newspapers really do contribute to our knowledge, or at least the degree to which certain kinds of knowledge are accessible, and without them we really lose something.  And I would love to see bloggers take that question on, try to figure out how to address the real losses we'll face as bloggers and as citizens if newspapers lose the budget to do that work.

    But the hackneyed political reporting is probably the single major thing I'm sure does NOT need to be replicated and perpetuated in another medium.  Please.

  •  welcome to the pablumoshpere! (2+ / 0-)
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    Meteor Blades, skippy

    As Kesey used to say, "They know where it is, but they don't know what it is."

  •  they're completely missing the point (5+ / 0-)

    there would be a lot fewer blogs if there was a reasonably good press

    it's not the medium this time so much

    it's the message

  •  Will it play? Nah. I think this is just ... (6+ / 0-)

    ...the journalistic version of the Chewbacca Offensive, a la Hunter in the essay below this one.

    Personally, I've got more than enough informative and sometimes infuriating stuff to read at Daily Kos, The Next Hurrah, Majikthise, Needlenose, Billmon (when he's around), Digby, Glenn Greenwald, Informed Comment, My Left Wing, No Quarter, Unbossed, Talk to Action, American Prospect, Salon, The Nation, The Independent, Haaretz, Moscow News, Firedoglake, the Guardian, Asia Times on line, Foreign Policy in Focus, Josh Marshall, Talk Left, Arms Control Wonk, the Left Coaster, Steve Gilliard, The Poor Man Institute, Der Spiegel, World, the usual suspects in the megamedia (NYT, WaPo, WSJ, Financial Times, Times of London, LA Times) The Rude Pundit, Pam's House Blend, Liberal Oasis, Jesus's General, Interpress, Women's e-news. Environmental News Service, Truthout, Truthdig, Raw Story, The Hill, Consortium News, The Atlantic, Harpers, Mother Jones ... and the cocasional book.

    So, I might get over to Mr. Albritton's operation sometime in 2009, if it's still around.

  •  Not sure about this one (1+ / 0-)
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    The credibility of the media has taken a full-scale beating because of the drumbeat to the Iraq War.  I echo the commenter above who pointed out that much of the blog audience gravitated online to escape the media, not further embrace its viewpoint.

    "Sometimes when I sleep at night I think of Hop on Pop." - George W. Bush, 2002

    by GN1927 on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 02:43:17 PM PST

  •  Drudge does not rule my world. (1+ / 0-)
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    Sorry, Mr. Harris.

  •  It's wait and see for me. (0+ / 0-)

    He'll have to come up with something pretty good to woo me away from the Huffington Post and DKos.

    DK's Official Unofficial Unnamed Source

    by Mehitabel9 on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 02:48:15 PM PST

  •  this is going to be good (2+ / 0-)
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    Sprinkles, Midwest Meg

    I think they are going to figure it out.  It's going to be frustrating too, but my guess is that they know what they are doing.

  •  mcjoan -- a spelling correction (0+ / 0-)

    Turns out its Allbritton, not Albritton, according to the New York Times story. Could you correct it?

  •  Geez - I don't have time for DailyKos (5+ / 0-)

    as it is. Why would I bother with the blather in the MSM just because they put it in blog form?

    My job is to find a way to make more comments than buhdydharma!

    Sanity will be restored as soon as I find the back up tapes!

    by SallyCat on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 03:02:16 PM PST

  •  Every Other Medium Has Gone Corporate. It's a (3+ / 0-)
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    SallyCat, bnasley, TomP

    natural cycle of invention by technologists, pioneering by artists and subject matter practitioners, then once a market is proven, corporatization by forces who use it for much bigger audiences.

    I doubt this venture has much interest in the present blogosphere. They've probably got very different demographics in mind.

    Or, like Moon, they're willing and able to lose money for eternity in order to get their points out.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 03:02:41 PM PST

  •  At the risk of sounding all full of ourselves... (7+ / 0-)

    . . . uh, Daily Kos already exists.

    Or, let me put it another way, or two:

    >  Do these MSM people actually think that they're going to be more "hard-hitting" and intellectually honest than this site?  I'd love to see that!

    >  Do these Media Heathers actually hold out to the world at large that they'll "speak truth to power", or will they be lap dogs for the powerful (as they basically are now), or will they continue to do their "some people say" and "Earth:  A Sphere or Flat?  The Debate Rages On" via the internets???

    I think that this is going to be either [a] a bunch of pretty much vacuous piffle, or, [b] a bunch of pretty much, uh, vacuous piffle.


    We're working on many levels here. Ken Kesey

    by BenGoshi on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 03:06:58 PM PST

  •  Many months ago another tried (2+ / 0-)
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    Midwest Meg, bnasley

    "The Democratic Strategist" It was soon pretty obvious they had no clue about what they were doing. They put forth Centrist ideas rehashed, that we here , for the most part, had moved beyond. Not only that they made it seem they were very hostile to exactly the same people they were trying to court, we bloggers. I soon tired of them and quit wasting my time over there. I don't think I have seen anyone here link to them in months. Enough said ?

    -8.63 -7.28

    by OneCrankyDom on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 03:11:49 PM PST

  •  They've learned precisely the wrong lesson (4+ / 0-)
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    Midwest Meg, OneCrankyDom, bnasley, TomP

    Now, I enjoy blogs, they're fun and interactive.  But the reason I turned to blogs in the first place was that the traditional media was doing such a poor job of covering the issues.  

    VandeHei and Harris are OK, but whatever they're going to do online should have been done in the pages of the Post.  Thus, unless they can explain what about their online venture is going to be different than the Post, I don't see why I should care.

    As a better example, the problem with Joe Klein is that he's Joe Klein.  He believes that calls for escalating a war that even he considers hopeless are "serious," while calls to end the damn thing are "unserious."  That type of brainless beltway analysis doesn't change when he starts blogging.  

    And that's not to mention that old media types tend to be very unhappy to be so closely interacting with their readers.  Bloggers either (a) develop thick skins [most leftwing blogs] or (b) shut off comments [most rightwing blogs].  I'm guessing that old media folks are going to be opting for option B most of the time.    

    Shorter Republicans: You guys only won because we were corrupt and bad at governing.

    by bosdcla14 on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 03:12:33 PM PST

  •  Doing it for love (of country), not money (3+ / 0-)
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    I've been writing Red State Rebels here in Idaho since 2003. Yes, it helped me land a job as Larry Grant's campaign blogger, but I have no ads and I've been doing it for free because I love my state and country and want to see my governments, our leaders, and our citizens do better.

    Today, our new governor gave his first state of the state speech. I took lots of notes and posted my analysis here.

    But before I hit publish, I listened in on the post-speech wrapup featuring the ed page editor of the state's largest paper (a nice guy, really) and a college prof, both well very paid in their day jobs. Their analysis, to quote BenGoshi (I think) above, was "vacuous piffle." They're comfortable, they spout platitudes, and maybe they just don't have the latitude in their cushy jobs to really call crap when they see it. Meanwhile, I challenge any pundit in Idaho to show me they came up with the depth and breadth of analysis I did within an hour of the speech, on my own time, on my own dime.

    That's why Daily Kos and all our little local blogs matter. My God, I wish I could make a living at this, but I'll keep it up whether someone decides to help underwrite the effort (as Larry essentially did for a year) or not.

    If you have a chance to accomplish something that will make things better for people coming behind you, and you don't are wasting your time...R Clemente

    by Red State Rebel on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 03:20:13 PM PST

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    Finally Arnold Schwarzenegger suggests: HEALTH CARE REFORM

    German chancellor Angela Merkel is ploughing on this turf for a longer while. She got into wars with her own party namely Bavarian Edmund Stoiber. Finally Stoiber got caught up in a spying scandal cause his office surveilled some delinquent party member. Its a bloody massacre. Bavaria shall pay +800 mio Euros. Lower Saxony is right wing but in a coalition with the liberals. The liberals (there are also social dems and coms) HATE the reform. Lower Saxony will show abstinence in the vote in the federal chamber of Germany when (on) the law is voted upon.

    The battle still lasts on. Further victims despite the office of Stoiber to be expected.

    Now, my man, to get back to the first line, ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER, my wholeheartedly most inner black power Austrian symbol, a man I deeply embrace cause he bodybuilded all those years on Sanna Monica beach, this buddy of mine embraced HEALTH CARE REFORM. Now, cause Bush is just shooting freaking holes into defenseless Iraqis, its surely important to give dignity as to say HEALTH CARE to human mankind. Im just not sure whether Bush needed it right now. But ok. I mean Arnie is married with Shriver and hell be pumped out by the Kennedys I guess.

  •  PHOTO of Bush & Abramhoff Revealed (0+ / 0-)

    CREW has posted this 2003 of George W. Bush and Jack Abramhoff, from a GOP Fundraiser.  It is the photo that the GOP kept secret during the 2006 Election Cycle:

    Photo of Bush & Abramhoff Finally Revealed


  •  This makes as much sense as... (3+ / 0-)
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    ... when major film studios or record companies create "independent" subsidiaries.

    Or when a corporate radio network launches a "punk" or "alternative" program.

    Institutional anti-institutionalism.

    "One does not discover new lands without consenting to leave sight of the shore for a very long time." -Andre Gide

    by pat208 on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 03:47:58 PM PST

  •  Is anyone putting together a "people's" version (2+ / 0-)
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    of this, to be called, I think appropriately, "The Populist"? Because it seems to me that the top-down model of new media has clearly failed the country, and needs to either be scrapped entirely and begun anew from the ground up, or else seriously challenged from the grass and netroots and forced to reform from without. Competition's good every now and then, no?

    In any case, I suspect that on the political level we're fairly soon going to see an emerging populist political movement that will try to move past both parties' obvious faults and limitations to put together a political base that will address most Americans' real needs and interests, and not just that of the ruling elites who continue to dominate both parties and the various movements and organizations that dominate them.

    I also suspect that it will span a fairly wide political spectrum to include both conservatives (the real kind, but not the wingnut, neocon and other phony kinds) and progressives (also of the real, not limousine kine), whom I believe have more interests in common than they have differences that separate them (e.g. genuine nation security, fiscal responsibility, strong diplomatic relations, fair trade, economic security).

    We really do need to move past this top-down, elitist, non-responsive, self-interested political and media structure that dominates our country and sets its direction to a rediculous and very unhealthy degree, and restore some meaningful power to the people from whom it ultimately derives--i.e. us. This calls for some sort of broad-based populist movement at the media and political level, spanning as much of the right-left spectrum as possible.

    For good reason, the GOP often is called "the stupid party." -- Bob Novak

    by kovie on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 03:50:59 PM PST

  •  There have been (0+ / 0-)

    resent stories of many of the major print media companies having fire sales of assets to raise cash. McClatchy, the Times Co. and the Tribune Co. Have all appeared in the last few days. They all claim that they are raising the money to invest in their digital media. I smell desperation.

    see also huffingtonpost

  •  What's the point? (1+ / 0-)
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    I can read newspapers online already. This'll only work if it moves right or left, and either way, it's a latecomer. And reporters often just plain suck so why bother?

    "With great power comes great responsibility." -- Stan Lee

    by N0MAN1968 on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 04:06:45 PM PST

  •  If they'd concentrate ... (2+ / 0-)
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    on investigate reporting and in-depth analysis, they might have a chance. That's a niche that could really use some expansion on the internet. But if they are going to simply offer up beltway rumors, anonymous administration sources planting stories, and opinion, I think they'll fail. God knows, we don't have enough opinion, annointed and unannointed, on the blessed tubes.

  •  what'll happen (0+ / 0-)

    see, this touches why I think the urge to raise quality (e.g. by bitching that people with lots of images in diaries are anti-intellectual, and the rest) will backfire.

    What is great about citizen media is the lack of correctness and the abundance of honest and novel ideas.  When you fear that and retreat to the type of quality academia achieves, through peer review, heavy references proving people already agree with parts of your argument... you try to put citizen media in a mold that it does not fit.

    And in the end, these professional organizations will beat you AT THAT SORT OF "quality".  If you try to become the New York Times, the NYT will kick your ass at it... and even if they don't, you're no better than the NYT in the end, you do not have a "new media" in the end, after you've reformed it in the image of the old media, which also loves to pretend to be academic while slinging personal bias.

    frankly, a top down blogosphere deserves to lose to top down capitalism.

    strong infrastructure, fair play and sober leadership

    by pyrrho on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 04:27:19 PM PST

  •  Yeah...right...just what we 'need'... (1+ / 0-)
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    more AssClowns telling us what's what. Hey Mr.Albritton why the fuck would I read you when I can read:

    dKos...hah, lil' pimpin' goin' on here!


    The News Blog

    Corrente-Chicago Dyke version of course


    The Agonist

    Brilliant at Breakfast

    Or any of the other really great progressive blogs being created by folks because they love blogging, because they love getting the truth out there, because they love this country.

    NOT BECAUSE THEY LOVE MONEY YOU ASSCLOWN! get the idea. As became the buzzphrase at YearlyKos 2006 'It's the writing...'

    All this fucktard with too much money needs now is to hire oh, say...Richard Cohen or maybe get Klein to guestblog.


    'I'm writing as Nestor since scoop in it's awesome wisdom won't let me use my real screen name: A.Citizen'

    by Nestor Makhnow on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 04:29:38 PM PST

  •  You're right (1+ / 0-)
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    Seems to me the reason the blogs have proliferated so is because we bring a different perspective than what D.C. insiders provide, a perspective that has been absent in the national debate for a long time--ours. Regular people's.

    It's called The Truth.

    All Truth is non-partisan

    by MA Liberal on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 04:41:10 PM PST

  •  For SOS CW, we got msnbc, cnn ... wtf cares (0+ / 0-)

    about more conventional wisdom same ol shit?

    oh well, best of luck.


    by seabos84 on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 04:54:51 PM PST

  •  they hired Ben Smith! (0+ / 0-)

    I'm excited about the Politico.  They've hired Ben Smith who absolutely set the world on fire as the Daily News' political columnist.  

  •  Either (0+ / 0-)

    Dude is f'd. or we're f'd!

  •  DKos is my morning read (0+ / 0-)

    evening, too. I check in with a few others from time to time, but am more likely to read others - especially the MSM - through a link from a diary or story... and, most days, I read for several hours.

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