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In the spirited college song sung by The Best Damn Band In The Land, the answer to the "cute little riddle" identifying the name of the state for which the university is named, goes: "It’s round on the ends and "hi" in the middle, that’s the riddle, O...Hi...O."

But after 16 years of Republican governors, and nearly as many years of Republican rule of the state’s legislature and statewide offices, the slow slide from a one-time economic and manufacturing powerhouse to a state that, like "Sloopy," is just trying to "hang on," means it’s middle name may now have to change to "low" to reflect the reality it finds itself in today.

A New "Low" For "O...Hi...O"?

Just last week, Moody’s Investors downgraded the future outlook for "O...Low...O" to "negative" from "stable," reflecting what the nationally respected bond-rating agency sees as the Buckeye State’s daunting challenge to reverse decades of self-centered, business-centric Republican policies that have sucked jobs out of the state, leaving it in an economic ditch that will be tough to climb out of in the near future.

The (Toledo) Blade covered the story this way, as did most other state newspapers.

Federal data show that Ohio has lost a net 170,200 jobs since the beginning of 2000 and nearly 235,000 manufacturing jobs during that period.

Moody’s also pointed to the sweeping tax cuts and other tax changes that Republicans enacted in 2005, noting they have "limited the state’s financial flexibility."

The state will be giving up an estimated $4.8 billion in revenue by 2010 because of the phased cuts or elimination of three major taxes while generating $1.3 billion in revenue from a new commercial-activities tax on business, according to the state’s taxation department.

This simple graphic, offered by Ohio's Greatest Home Newspaper, puts a tight little frame around the reasons used by Moody’s to make its decision, and what new Democratic Governor Ted Strickland has to do, in addition to battling with Ohio’s Republican-controlled legislature, to turn things around.  


Not only has "O...Low...O" been loosing jobs at a rapid rate, exacerbated by the Bush presidency’s attitude that outsourcing jobs is good for business (but not for workers), but its system of funding education , deemed four times by the state supreme court to be in violation of the state constitution, has again been taken to task in a report that, while pointing to some moderate successes, concluded that the state’s system is woefully inadequate when compared with the level of education offered in other countries.

The (Cleveland) Plain Dealer covered it here.

Overall, it's a broken system. The system cannot rely as much as it does on local funding. If it does, it's going to be inequitable and unpredictable. You need to get off the treadmill of a school district going back to the ballot every two years simply to stay where they are.

So far, your standards don't match the best in the world. A 15-year-old boy in Ohio who does well in math cannot be confident he will do well in math in Singapore.


So not only is "O...Low...O" suffering from the loss of manufacturing jobs and an education system that can’t compete in training its young brains to prepare for the unforgiving, ruthless reality of globalization, but it is increasingly becoming a state of poverty, to boot.

Jim Petro (former AG and Auditor) and Ken Blackwell (former Treasurer and Secretary of State), two long-time Republicans who squared off against each other last year to run for governor, repeatedly sounded warnings that "O...Low...O" is becoming older and poorer. These are demographic measures that will not be explained away soon, regardless of any marketing plans to the contrary.

The smoking gun on this reality is found here.

It shows the number of poor people living in the state – sixth in rank of states having the most people living in severe poverty – exceeds the combined populations of Cincinnati, Toledo and Canton. This information, when added to the ignominy of Cleveland being labeled in 2005 as the nation’s biggest "poor" city, undercuts the business message that "O...Low...O" is a great place to establish a business and raise a family.

States with the most people in severe poverty:
California - 1.9 million
Texas - 1.6 million
New York - 1.2 million
Florida - 943,670
Illinois - 681,786
Ohio - 657,415
Pennsylvania - 618,229
Michigan - 576,428
Georgia - 562,014
North Carolina - 523,511
Source: U.S. Census Bureau


"Ohio: Build Your Business. Love your life" is the branding slogan offered by The Ohio Business Development Coalition OBDC), a business group started in the Taft administration and headed by an executive from Procter & Gamble, who said his group’s mission is to "create and sustain a globally competitive Ohio brand" through a combination of public and private funding.

Ed Burghard, the executive on loan from Procter & Gamble whose salary is paid by the company, said OBDC is funded in the current biennium at $5.2 million a year and that so far, the group has netted $250,000 in private funding.

A major initiative for the non-profit group entails a $2.5 million marketing campaign that won high marks from the Wall Street Journal for effectiveness. Mr. Burghard said WSJ research indicated that the impact of the campaign, which included a nine-month purchase of advertising in key business magazines and direct mail to some 28,000 U.S.-based CEOs that stressed the benefits of the "tax reforms" equated to what a business might expect to achieve by spending $30 million to roll out a new project.

Given the reality of the real news in the state, some might say of this self-basting business initiative, BFD.

When Burghard was asked by a Cleveland state senator at a recent committee hearing what the perceptions of the state were outside the Midwest, he said the state, essentially, "was a blank slate. One of the challenges, the published report said, was "getting Ohio executives who tend to be a ‘glass-half-empty group’ fully engaged in promoting the state."

The sad fact of Burghard’s answer is that this has been the prevailing answer to this question for decades now. But with reports detailing the state’s job losses, its tight fiscal condition, its poorly funded school system, it’s little wonder that a paltry nickel-and-dime marketing campaign will make any measurable dent in how outsiders see "O...Low...O."

Originally posted to OhioNative on Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 12:59 PM PST.


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  •  What's Wrong: Republican Playground For Decades (8+ / 0-)

    We took our labor out of that economy but our state teachers' pensions are still there.

    You better believe we're worried and still donate to OH Dems.

    I've got a National Geographic spread on the state from the 50's when it was at the heart of the engine and breadbasket of the free world. If I could post it here many readers would be jaw-drop amazed that such a place ever existed in living memory.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 01:11:14 PM PST

    •  Those Were the Days (7+ / 0-)

      I was born and raised in Ohio, and for most my life I was proud of it. Traveling around the state as a youngster, I was told our roads were top notch because we were a rich state that, unlike poor states like Alabama, Mississippi and others, put our tax dollars to work where it counted, in infrastructure. My pride in being from Ohio has slowly melted. Now I find it nearly impossible to believe that in my lifetime things will get better. Instead, I look beyond my state borders at other states, and countries, that have not allowed their rich heritage to be squandered for the sake of a handful of special interests.

      I find it ironic that Malcolm Forbes came to Ohio out of Princeton to start his printing business (in Lancaster of all places) because he saw it as a state of power due to a great balance between its manufacturing and agricultural industries. Had he not joined the military to fight in WWII, he would have stayed here, thinking a news mogul owning a chain of small town newspapers might have a say in political matters.

      Unfortunately, we're dying a slow death as our manufacturing jobs leave, never to come back. Children born and raised here will likely move away because college is more affordable elsewhere and because future jobs will also be more available elsewhere as well. Our leaders talk like we can recoup lost ground over night. Even if other states and countries put themselves on hold, it would still take us decades to reverse the decline that has been allowed to take place over the past two decades.

      Yet our legislature, still controlled by Republicans, thinks otherwise. I hope Ohioans finally woke up last election. The real test will come in 08, when they'll have another chance to show whether they want to continue to be taken to the cleaners, as state and DC Republicans have and will continue to do, or whether they want to take control of their lives and the interest's of their families and careers again and make big business beholden to the interests of the public, not the reverse.

      With one in six jobs related to the auto industry, I can only imagine Detroit's problems will continue to bleed over to us, resulting in that many more jobs going bye-bye.

      •  People are already meeting (5+ / 0-)
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        Ahianne, bronte17, shirah, Winnie, GeorgeXVIII
        around the state, identifying candidates for the legislature; the state party is targeting districts, so we can retake the House -- only four seats needed. We probably can't retake the Senate yet because of gerrymandering but hopefully  that will change. Gains were made on local levels as well as the state level which are hopefully indicators for 08.

        A new beginning for Ohio: The adults have taken over!

        by anastasia p on Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 03:16:48 PM PST

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      •  Same here and (1+ / 0-)
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        going back is both sad and depressing.

        Bush 41 to 43: "See, Son, your problem in Iraq is the same one I had with your mother: neither one of us pulled out in time."

        by mattinla on Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 09:11:45 PM PST

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      •  Look at the bright side. (2+ / 0-)
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        GeorgeXVIII, OhioNative

        Ohio still has what I consider to be the world's most valuable resourse - fresh water.  We have it in abundance.

        Perhaps there will come a time when people will return to Ohio for exactly that reason.

        •  Water falls from the sky here (0+ / 0-)

          unlike many western states I have lived in, such as California or Arizona, where an ocean of rooftops are being built in desert climates that someday will confront the wall of water availability. We're already  witnessing the fight over Colorado River water, which is the source for expanding city dwellers and for Emperial Valley farmers. There's not enough to take care of both, so the upcoming fight over water, like the script of China Town, will be interesting to watch.

          We have lots of fresh water and Lake Erie is valuable for that reason and because it will provide constant wind to power modern windmills that Cleveland may be considering building to generate electricity instead of being blackmailed by First Energy Corp.

          And when you consider the hurricanes that have and will continue to batter Florida and the Gulf States and the rising tide global warming will some day unleash on our coastal areas, Ohio is sitting pretty damn good. Maybe global warming will increase our growing seasons. With our rich soil and bounty of fresh water, we could be a Mecca of the future. Our standard of living is substantially less than east or west coast states, where my small garage would sell for a million bucks. People who move here from other high rent states are amazed at the value they get in our homes and land.

  •  Ohio serves as a cautionary tale of unexpected... (5+ / 0-)
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    Ahianne, Winnie, murrayewv, majcmb1, brownsox

    consequences....Years ago, term limits were introduced at the state level........While representatives can shuffle between the house and senate side, and move up to an elected executive position, the net effect is you have a whole lot of new members in the state house every election cycle... The lobbying industry is only too happy to shepherd these rookie legislators through the process, trading campaign funds for votes.

    A friend helps you move, a Kossack helps you move a body!

    by Rented Mule on Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 01:24:32 PM PST

    •  New members isn't the problem (4+ / 0-)
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      Winnie, sabishi, GeorgeXVIII, OhioNative
      Sure, I think term limits was a phony "solution" but it's also not the problem. Greedy, corrupt, on-the-take Republicans who refuse to face the facts of what's happened in this state are the problem. Republicans in the general assembly who think it's useful to debate regulating strip clubs but ignoring the fact that Ohio's school funding has been declared illegal four times are the problem. And Republicans who enable more vouchers and failing charter schools run by people who give them big donations, leeching money from the crumbling public schools while simultaneously passing their own version of unfunded "NO Child Left Behind" mandates with the so-called "CORE" curriculum are the problem.

      Our "new" state rep is our old state rep, going back to the GA. Our new state senator is the old state rep from an adjoining district who was term-limited out. I don't see this as a problem. At our Dem Christmas party, our new state rep, having had experience, was advising a BRAND new state rep from another adjoining district on office selection and set-up. It just ISN'T the problem.

      A new beginning for Ohio: The adults have taken over!

      by anastasia p on Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 01:38:07 PM PST

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  •  Republicans have the answer! (4+ / 0-)
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    Ahianne, Winnie, murrayewv, GeorgeXVIII
    Eliminate the estate tax! Scrape the state treasury dry, slashing  education and social services for the struggling, to benefit several thousand ultra-wealthy families. It's unbelievable that they're saying, oh, this handful of wealthy families needs a tax break or they'll leave the state. Newsflash, Republicans!!!!  Dozens if not hundreds times more people are leaving the state every year than there are families paying an estate tax, and they are mostly the young and/or educated, the ones we need to keep.  On the other hand, if these people left, and they are all Republicans, that might be a good thing!

    A new beginning for Ohio: The adults have taken over!

    by anastasia p on Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 01:30:35 PM PST

  •  I don't get your quiz question (3+ / 0-)
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    Winnie, sabishi, OhioNative
    Do you mean what's good about Ohio?What's wrong with Ohio? hat's the solution to Ohio's problems? I don't unerstand what answer you're looking for.

    A new beginning for Ohio: The adults have taken over!

    by anastasia p on Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 01:31:50 PM PST

    •  Mia Culpa on the Poll Question (1+ / 0-)
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      I tried to hard to put a poll to this diary and it came out a bit confusing and unhelpful. We're still living off the stored-up fat of the manufacturing and agricultural might we built up over the course of a hundred years or more. We're still the seventh most populous state, and we still have a lot of jobs compared to a lot of other states. But that's no reason to say things are fine and dandy because they aren't. We're not as desperate as some states in many categories, but in a growing number of areas, we are no longer looking down on the backward states of the deep south but looking them in the eye as we stand next to them. It's no secret that the population sift is to the south and west.

      As I drove through many parts of our state last year working for a statewide candidate, I saw the small cities and villages in our beautiful but remote counties that have no hope of raising their quality of life above what they are today. They are poor and shabby and look to someone, Columbus or DC, for help that likely will never arrive. Manufacturing jobs here pay, maybe, a little more than working at a Wal-Mart. Certainly not enough to buy a house, raise a family and save for retirement. County government budgets are really tight, with no expectation that they will fatten up any time soon.

      These folks probably voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004 and have children fighting in Iraq. They probably voted for Reagan in the 80's. But things have gotten so bad -- job loss, health care costs, mediocre schools -- that even they are ready to try someone different, which is one reason Strickland did so well with them, beside the fact he has represented them for a long time as a Congressman.

      It's one thing to swallow the Republican line of every man for himself and to the greedy go the goods, but when you're in need of a helping hand, fending for yourself isn't what you want to hear. You want someone to come to help you when you need help. So their political ideology hit the wall of reality. Columbus Republicans who as you rightly point out have acted for decades with all the swagger and impunity of a fox in the chicken coup, have shown them little respect, and given them little reason to re-elect them. But we'll see whether they've wised up or whether they've still got enough Kool-Aid in them that they still don't get it.  

  •  About that poverty list... (1+ / 0-)
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    Isn't that simply a list of the most populous states? I know that CA is first, followed by TX and NY, and FL, OH, PA, and IL are next in some order. Is it that shameful to have more people impoverished when you just have more people?

    •  the order (top 10 by population): (2+ / 0-)
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      zigeunerweisen, GeorgeXVIII
      1. California - 36,457,549
      1. Texas - 23,507,783
      1. New York - 19,306,183
      1. Florida - 18,089,888
      1. Illinois - 12,831,970
      1. Pennsylvania - 12,440,621
      1. Ohio - 11,478,006
      1. Michigan - 10,095,643
      1. Georgia - 9,363,941
      1. North Carolina - 8,856,505

      And the poverty list from the diary:

      1. California - 1.9 million
      1. Texas - 1.6 million
      1. New York - 1.2 million
      1. Florida - 943,670
      1. Illinois - 681,786
      1. Ohio - 657,415
      1. Pennsylvania - 618,229
      1. Michigan - 576,428
      1. Georgia - 562,014
      1. North Carolina - 523,511

      Yup. It's the exact same states with 6th and 7th places swapped.

      I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different. -- Kurt Vonnegut

      by sabishi on Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 09:29:19 PM PST

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      •  I get (2+ / 0-)
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        sabishi, GeorgeXVIII
        1. TX 6.81%
        1. NY 6.22%
        1. GA 6.00%
        1. NC 5.91%
        1. OH 5.73%
        1. MI 5.71%
        1. IL 5.31%
        1. FL 5.22%
        1. CA 5.21%
        1. PA 4.97%


        Only Texas has a severe poverty rate more than 1 SD over the mean poverty rate for the 10 most populous states.  Only Pennsylvania has a severe poverty rate more than 10 SD below the mean.  The reasonable conclusion is that there aren't a whole lot of differences, though you might be marginally better off living in PA as opposed to TX.

  •  It's "Hang on Sloopy" (3+ / 0-)
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    Winnie, GeorgeXVIII, OhioNative

    Not Snoopy. By The McCoys, 1965. Before my time, but I still hear it in my head. And you call yourself an "Ohio Native."

    Do you propose a solution to this sad state of affairs?

    •  Gator: You Asked For It: Here's My LMOOSA Plan (5+ / 0-)
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      Winnie, majcmb1, JanL, J Royce, GeorgeXVIII

      The correction has been made -- good gator eyes. Yes, I do have a package of solutions I've dubbed the "Let's Make Our Own Stuff Again" program. It's based on the practice young or developing countries adopted to reduce dependence on imported goods. It worked for the American colonies, making them more self-sufficient and less reliant on England for manufactured goods. It worked for Asian countries, helping them to build capacity and jobs within their borders. Many of us can remember a time when the cheap stuff was made in Japan. Japan now makes high-end products, from cars to electronic gizmos. The cheap stuff we buy is now made in China, where labor is unlimited and cheap when compared to states like Ohio.

      The key components to my "Let's Make Our Own Stuff Again" Program are:

      1)Let's make our own energy: Ohio should have a unified energy policy that provides state bond funding for alternative, distributed energy deployment such as wind, solar, bio-fuels, etc.; local jobs will created as a by-product of producing lower-cost, sustainable energy sources -- which includes using our vast coal reserves in new, non-polluting ways. This will directly impact (through cost avoidance) individuals and business alike.

      2)Like putting a chicken in every pot during the Depression, we need to put a computer in every home, classroom and business, hooking them up to high-speed WIFI broadband so even the most remote areas of Appalachia can be connected to the Net, thus allowing them to use their nature beauty to lure knowledge based business to locate there instead of major cities.

      3)Stop talking and start building light rail and mass transit systems so people can get from their home to their work, or from their home to their job in another city without needing a car and the costs needed to operate that car (gasoline, only going higher, insurance, etc.).

      4)Create a single-payer health care system and run in the public interest, not shareholders. Only through collective action and shared costs can this solution be realized. As Ohio becomes older, this  population will need more health care. But the costs, as currently configured, will be astronomical. We need to take the administrative and marketing costs out of the system and put a negotiating gun to the head of the pharmaceutical industry. Take it or leave it, and if we have to, we'll nationalize your ass.(I'm not a true believer in the so-called "free market.") Let's see  what big business would really do if they "really" had no financial help or tax benefits from government. Hell, Detroit would be out of business by now.

      5)Let's consolidate schools, from K-12 to universities, and maybe political subdivisions as well (does Ohio really need 88 counties or 4,000+ townships?...probably not) so we can save a boat load of tax dollars we can invest in more self-reliant endeavors.

      As it stands, in my opinion, big business will continue to blackmail Ohio legislators into giving them government "incentives" (read: bribes), loans and grants, even though they don't need it and should go to their banker friends or their hedgefund buddies and borrow it, like individual Americans do with their credit cards. Since Ohio is sort of on the ropes, so to speak, they can threaten to leave, moving to Kentucky or Indiana with little effort. Nice guys, huh. With business friends like this, who needs enemies?

      If you don't a strong supply of brain power, you won't get the jobs, period. Ohio is experiencing a brain drain, which is why we're becoming older and poorer, as young brains and established wealth seek greener pastures.

      So, my criticism of my home state, while it may be considered by many to be harsh, biting or too sardonic, isn't unfounded, ill-considered or blind. I've lived all over the nation and traveled extensively to other countries. While I'm living here now, I would rather be living in other places, maybe other countries, that are more attuned to collective needs rather than permitting the tremendous disparities in social and economic justice we have here.  

  •  Bear in my mind, (1+ / 0-)
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    Ohio is significant to the Bush family, one of their kin ran Buckeye Steel and Bearing,

    COlumbus, no less, if I'm not mistaken.

    What an excellent day for an Exorcism... SCI/Kenyon

    by DianeL on Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 02:13:20 PM PST

    •  Bear in mind, very sorry (1+ / 0-)
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      went to get my sword....and fumbled.

      What an excellent day for an Exorcism... SCI/Kenyon

      by DianeL on Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 02:42:22 PM PST

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    •  shhhh (1+ / 0-)
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      We don't talk about Prescott Bush being born in Columbus and living and working there briefly (failed business, surprise!) after WWI.

      Seriously though, the Bushes spent some time in Ohio, but they were New Englanders. Business kept Samuel Bush (Prescott's Father) in Columbus for a long time, but they certainly weren't Ohioans.

      I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different. -- Kurt Vonnegut

      by sabishi on Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 09:37:56 PM PST

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      •  No, oops, Ohio? pathetic me! (0+ / 0-)
        Herbert Walker's "home" state was TX, as he proclaimed in his creepy book of 'letters.'  Letters 'He' wrote (and weirdly enough kept copies of from the time he was a teenager?), the book didn't include any he letters George Herbert 'received.'

        All my best..... Opium Fields.

        papaver somniferum. (Afghanistan?), (Conan Doyle?).

        Ya'll impressed by my Latin?

        Don't mind me. just another peice of 'white' trash strollin through life.

        Oops, gotta go now, Babs has me in her sites.

        She's wearing a Blue Taffeta Gown, lookin 'every bit as creepy' as Michael Caine in Dressed to Kill

        What an excellent day for an Exorcism... SCI/Kenyon

        by DianeL on Mon Feb 26, 2007 at 01:28:56 PM PST

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        •  Yeah, TX: (0+ / 0-)
          Oil feilds, swimmin pools....ya'll come back now .....heah?

          Vinson Elkins, your "local" phone company.

          Texas U. ("Pioneers")  Howes & DOD (Department of Defense?), and "Beverly Care" (for the elderly, mind you!)

          Alberto! (psst the Texas Chainsaw Killer should be pardoned, lets kill those bitches like Carla Fey, and gloat?)

          What an excellent day for an Exorcism... SCI/Kenyon

          by DianeL on Mon Feb 26, 2007 at 01:54:36 PM PST

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  •  CWRU student here (2+ / 0-)
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    GeorgeXVIII, OhioNative

    ... and being on the border of East Cleveland, and sometimes venturing into the area, I have often seen the extreme poverty first-hand.

    Tomorrow, the University is holding a forum/discussion of "What the Governor Can Do" involving some reporters from Columbus and the former Republican State House Whip; I can't really remember any specifics off-hand.

    I have been meaning to find out more and more about Ohio politics, and I was wondering if any informed Ohioan Kossacks knew what Strickland's prospects for success are.

    •  Ted's Prospects For Success (3+ / 0-)
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      majcmb1, JanL, GeorgeXVIII

      depend on a several factors, one being how much cooperation he will get from Ohio's Republican Legislature, the other being his own will power to make the right decisions, stand by them and defy anyone who wants to go back to the policies that got us into the trouble we're in to challenge him straight up. Already, not hardly two months into the job, he's got a stalking horse in the form of John Kasich, a Westerville favorite son who earned his conservative bones as an outspoken Reagan-type Republican in Congress, then parlayed that into a lucrative private sector position and then into a talking politico on the Fox Network.

      Republicans want him to fail, naturally, otherwise they wouldn't be mocking him not having solved in a few weeks all its taken them to do in decades. Instead of them outting him, Ted needs to use his policy proposals to force them into the open, so Ohioans can see that where they stand is not where the average Ohioan stands.    

      Another future competitor may be current House Speaker Jon Husted, a Dayton Republican, who is using the same inside-dealing techniques to move from political seat to political seat that have been used repeatedly by Republicans in the recent past to game the system so control the dice.

      Republicans, even though they won't admit it, are showing by their actions, right off the bat, that they'd rather fight than switch and are more interested in setting trip wires and tiger traps for Ted through control of the budget process. Lucky for Ted, the Rs don't have the same capacity to override vetos in the House as they did last year.

      They think Ted's victory was a fluke, one he can't repeat, especially if they make life difficult for him. If they can keep him on his heels, forcing him to play their game at their pace, they can point to his lack of accomplishments as reason enough not to vote for him next time. They'll want to play the outrage card and the blame game on Ted, but don't want to accept responsibility for their own past actions, the ones that led to scandals and corruption and the growth of the kleptocracy that was well underway. I hope Ohioans don't allow themselves be bamboozled again.

      Thanks for the tip on the "What the Governor Can   Do" forum at CWRU. I'd like to know about it if you care to give us a review.


    •  I lived in Coventry for a year (0+ / 0-)

      and you could see the city line - it was actually on the ground, created by all the garbage on the E. Cleveland side.

      Frankly, I'm surprised Cleveland proper is doing as well as it is, given all of the office park space outside the city.

  •  Gov. Strickland will be looking... (3+ / 0-)
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    Winnie, JanL, GeorgeXVIII shore up state finances...

    This week he announced cutting in half a tax write-off to oil companies for gasoline evaporation that will add $38 million to state revenues. It's a start.

    YOU GO TO WAR WITH THE PRESIDENT YOU HAVE. You don't go to war with the President you wish you had. --Tim Ryan, D-OH

    by skymutt on Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 08:30:27 PM PST

  •  poverty statistics (0+ / 0-)

    It seems like a listing of states with the most severe poverty should take population into account.  For instance, Wyoming could have a 100% poverty rate and still not make that list.

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