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Murtha and Levin are complicit with the war crimes. Sunday on Meet the Press, Murtha (via Raw Story)is quoted as saying,

US Representative John Murtha, one of the leading advocates in Congress for pulling US troops from Iraq quickly, said that Democrats have concluded that ending the war is not as easy as cutting off funding.

"We don't have the votes to do it," he told US television Sunday.

My rant is below the fold.

If the Democrats fail, the only option left is revolution and foreign intervention. Tyranny is but assured because Congress cannot and will not exercise it's Constitutional power to end this fascist Coup d'etat.

This is outrageous! The only two options available to Congress, Impeachment and cutting the funds, are now both off the table. What now Democrats? What other magic powers will you invoke? You have taken the only constitutional means you have available to end this fascist train off the table.

"We don't have the votes to do it,"

You don't have the votes to do it because every Democrat is silent on the WAR CRIMINALS that have infested this country. And furthermore, "So what?" Put it up for a vote. Then do it again and again and again. Twenty six times if you have to just like the Arctic Wildlife National Refuge oil drilling agenda.

What up Speaker Pelosi? Are you to be known as the first woman Speaker and last Speaker of the semi-free republic in America? The avarice, the complicity, the cowardice, infidelity, disloyalty, and dishonor on display is a discredit and a disgrace to all Americans and True Patriots.

It is truly nauseating to think that, as this nation sinks down into tyranny and breathes its last gasps of democracy, the democrats have, of their own free choosing, removed from themselves the only two viable options at gaining back liberty.

This is not oversight. This is complicity in war crimes.

Originally posted to wolverine 06 on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 09:46 AM PST.

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  •  Tip Jar (6+ / 0-)

    Don't bother...the Dems have rolled and all hope is destroyed.

    Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended from abroad. ~J. Madison

    by wolverine 06 on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 09:45:50 AM PST

  •  hahahahahahaha (8+ / 0-)

    Wow.  

    You purists are really really insane.  

    How much further can you ramp up your rhetoric?  

    •  Insane? (3+ / 0-)
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      cometman, kurious, tahoebasha2

      What other options are there for Congress to end the war and bring the troops home?

      Tell me.

      Bacause until they do come home, the treasury will be open to corporate interests.

      Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended from abroad. ~J. Madison

      by wolverine 06 on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 09:57:15 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  You'll never get an answer (0+ / 0-)

        Guys like him never do.  They're the type who believe in "compromising" with the Republicans, even though he can't see how radical and extremist they truly are.  

        Ultimately, he'll VOTE Republican someday.  
        Utterly worthless rot.

    •  Do you have anyone you know in Iraq..? (5+ / 0-)

      Do you have a wife who would become a different person if her brother comes back from Iraq in a fucking box? Is your family at risk of being torn apart by the death of a loved one? If so, then your comment above seems a little bit hard hearted.  If not, then stop going around labeling everyone who wants to do the right thing by our fellow countrymen and women a 'purist'.  The 'purists' have been correct about this whole fiasco from the beginning, and one way or the other we are going to be heard.  If that means picking up a torch and pitchfork and heading to DC because others can't be bothered to hold our elected officials accountable, then so be it.  I'd suggest staying inside when the rest of us come by.

      The meek shall inherit nothing. -F.Zappa

      by cometman on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:34:14 AM PST

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      •  Many of us have a dog in this fight (2+ / 0-)

        and a little tolerance on all sides would be good. Agreed, it's not a good idea to bash those who want an immediate withdrawal and brooke no compromise on the issue. But then again, "purists" should also understand that some of us do have an immediate, personal and compelling interest in this war and still disagree with their point of view.  I don't want to get into an argument about whether your brother-in-law trumps me, my employees or friends.  Going there just gets us off topic. The thing is to keep it respectful, try to find some logical solutions, and remember that the Bush administration is our enemy, not our fellow Dems.

    •  "if rape is inevitable, you might as well (1+ / 0-)
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      hypersphere01

      lay back & enjoy it." - bobby knight, uber realist

      "step on the gas & wipe that tear away..." - the beatles

      by rasbobbo on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:52:54 AM PST

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    •  Devastating argument. You win. (nt) (0+ / 0-)

      It's good for your enemies to think you're a little crazy. As long as you can back it up.

      by dov12348 on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:43:17 AM PST

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  •  please step away from the keyboard (10+ / 0-)

    take a walk. get some fresh air. have a drink if you like, maybe get laid or something.

    just chill, yo.

    "after the Rapture, we get all their shit"

    It's time: the albany project low UID's going fast!

    by lipris on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 09:54:13 AM PST

    •  anti-war peeps have a right to be frustrated, no? (0+ / 0-)

      I don't think revolution is the answer to our current problem, but being frustrated with the Dems is hardly unreasonable.

      If you are interested in the politics of Proviso Township in Cook County, Illinois, visit Proviso Probe.

      by Carl Nyberg on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:07:31 AM PST

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      •  unreasonable? certainly not. (1+ / 0-)
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        count me in the frustrated camp as well. extremely so. but now is not the time to freak the fuck out. shit like this does nothing to end the war and most likely makes it more difficult.

        "after the Rapture, we get all their shit"

        It's time: the albany project low UID's going fast!

        by lipris on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:28:53 AM PST

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        •  Dems need to fear anti-war people bolting (0+ / 0-)

          the party's coalition.

          As long as Republicans are getting blamed the establishment Dems want to avoid taking action that will make them responsible for much of anything.

          If you are interested in the politics of Proviso Township in Cook County, Illinois, visit Proviso Probe.

          by Carl Nyberg on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:10:46 AM PST

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      •  Yes it is ureasonable! (0+ / 0-)

        Look it is the third month that Dems have been in the majority, things will not happen instantly.

        Beyond that, the votes that they are talking about are in the Senate, were for the civics impaired, it takes 60 votes to get anything done. On issues of the war, we don't have the votes.

        Why? Because we have a 51/49 majority, with one Dem recovering from brain surgery, and Sen. Lieberman.

        Even if they all vote together, we still need 9 republican votes, and they ain’t ready to do it. It is that simple.

        If you live in fear, then the worst that can happen to you has already happened

        by Something the Dog Said on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:30:05 AM PST

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        •  on issues of funding the war, (1+ / 0-)
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          we need a one vote majority in the house. no?

          "step on the gas & wipe that tear away..." - the beatles

          by rasbobbo on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:33:47 AM PST

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          •  No, (0+ / 0-)

            All funding bills need to pass both the House and the Senate. The House gets to divide up the revenue pie, but the Senate has to concur.

            If you live in fear, then the worst that can happen to you has already happened

            by Something the Dog Said on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:40:09 AM PST

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            •  exactly my point (0+ / 0-)

              funding has to pass the house in which a simple majority rules. a one vote majority in the house can deny funding.

              "step on the gas & wipe that tear away..." - the beatles

              by rasbobbo on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:45:03 AM PST

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              •  You still have to have (0+ / 0-)

                the approval of the Senate. If we just let the funding expire it would be a total disaster for the Democratic party. We would actually be abandoning the troops while they are in the field.

                That is why the Rep. Murtha option is the best, but even there we have problems. Namely Blue Dog Dems.  

                If you live in fear, then the worst that can happen to you has already happened

                by Something the Dog Said on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:48:51 AM PST

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          •  That is correct (1+ / 0-)
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            They can even agree not not vote on anything, just let the current appropriations expire. And that will end the funding.

            Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended from abroad. ~J. Madison

            by wolverine 06 on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:42:22 AM PST

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        •  I am SO tired of (2+ / 0-)
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          "We don't have the votes".

          SO FUCKING WHAT.  These things (and not Non binding resolutions) need to keep being brought up.

          You don't do the right thing because you "can", you do the right thing because IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO!!!

          -6.5, -7.59. All good that a person does to another returns three fold in this life; harm is also returned three fold.

          by DrWolfy on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:04:57 AM PST

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          •  Then let (0+ / 0-)

            the voters decide if their Representative is truly that: a representative. He/she needs a voting record. Put up the good legislation and take a vote.  This is the only way to expose those who support this president and call themselves Democrats.

            Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended from abroad. ~J. Madison

            by wolverine 06 on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:09:43 AM PST

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            •  Absolutely... (0+ / 0-)

              We are in 100% agreement on that.

              Keep bringing them up for a vote.

              Those democrats who are trying to "play nice" with the Republicans don't realize (it seems) that they are playing right into the "stall game" te Republicans are on RECORD trying to pursue.

              They are all just trying to run out the clock and some Dems are letting them by saying "We don't have the votes".

              -6.5, -7.59. All good that a person does to another returns three fold in this life; harm is also returned three fold.

              by DrWolfy on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 12:23:30 PM PST

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        •  when will the Dems accomplish something useful? (0+ / 0-)

          If you are interested in the politics of Proviso Township in Cook County, Illinois, visit Proviso Probe.

          by Carl Nyberg on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:08:34 AM PST

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  •  Wow . . . (2+ / 0-)
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    That is certainlyy some intense feelings.

    Please see this diary for some positive action where you can direct your frustration.

    To all the ones who hated me the most, a toast. -Amanda Palmer

    by dbratl on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 09:54:36 AM PST

  •  Foreign Intervention (3+ / 0-)
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    highacidity, willb48, Lucius Vorenus

    Let's ask Mexico to invade us and bring the good chilies to the north.  I'm hungry!

    I recommended your comment. And then I un-recommended it.

    by bink on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 09:55:15 AM PST

  •  Impeach = End to the War (1+ / 0-)
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    •  Agree, but unfortunately (2+ / 0-)
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      DrWolfy, tahoebasha2

      the Dems do not have the Balls with the troops in harms way, while another triggering event is planned to start a war in Iran. (Sinking of a frigate in the gulf perhaps?) Always seems to draw the US into a war.

      Whereas, Impeachment will equal distracting the president which will equal Dems fault in the media.

      Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended from abroad. ~J. Madison

      by wolverine 06 on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:01:35 AM PST

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      •  No, (0+ / 0-)

        again it is about votes. We could bring articles of impeachment in the house, and likely (but not assuredly) get them through. That still leaves you in the Senate without the 66 votes needed to remove from office. It would only serve to validate the President's actions.

        Even if you could remove a sitting president, which has never been done in the history of our country, you would not end the war as VP Cheney would be in charge.

        If you live in fear, then the worst that can happen to you has already happened

        by Something the Dog Said on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:32:52 AM PST

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        •  Nonsense (0+ / 0-)


          An Impeachment vote in the house will create, for the first time, real accountability for this corrupt administration.  A Senate Trial would be a very educational and eye-opening event in which the numerous War-Crimes and Crimes against humanity would be exposed in a way the even the U.S. Media could no longer ignore.

          For once, Bush and Cheney would actually feel real fear and the 55% - 65% public would be united behind the effort once the charges have been read out loud.

          This would produce one of three results:

          1. In order to spare the GOP embarassment in advance of the 2008 Elecions, Bush would resign.
          1. Bush would be Impeached with so many GOP Senators up for reelection now afraid to defend Bush as well as the War in front of educated Voters
          1. Bush would be acquitted (as Clinton was), but his image would be forever shattered and people would feel very differently about the GOP and be far more likely to register their vote for change and a new direction in 2008.

          The benefits far outweigh the trivial disadvantages of having Sean Hanity, Limbaugh, and Ann Coulter sniping away  (they do every day at Dems ..anyway..)

          The main result would be that the public would be more informed, the Media would have a lot ability to protect Bush & Cheney, and the GOP would be set back on their heels.

          If you want to win you have to play Offense.

          The D-Party never wants to do this....



  •  Short of Armed Revolution... (0+ / 0-)

    is your best idea bringing a vote up over and over, even though it loses every time?

    This is CLASS WAR, and the other side is winning.

    by Mr X on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:07:58 AM PST

    •  So what's the middle option? (n/t) (0+ / 0-)
    •  Constitutionally (3+ / 0-)

      there are two options available to congress to end this war: Impeachment or the power of the purse.

      The Dems have already removed impeachment. That leaves only one other option. If that option is removed, what other options are available within the framework of the Constitution?

      There are none. So either, we get on the phones and start sounding off for cutting the funds or we just go along until we are all saying, "Heil Bush!"

      We are at another important cusp in time. Saudi Arabia is now in oil production decline. This will never reverse. The oil legislation in Iraq will give Exxon et. al. carte blanche to approve their own oil contracts. Cheney was hopping around the globe on some secret agenda. US Naval and ground troops are pre-posistioned for an air assault on Iran. Ground troop "surge" in Al-Anbar province is positioned to block a ground counterattack in response to an air attack. Seymour Hersh's recent article in the New Yorker has pointed to a shift in funding and Middle East policy within the last month or so.

      People can call me insane, I don't care. I am not and I know it. I can see very clearly what is happening. I can see it as clearly as Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski

      All the signs are there, the suggestions that Iranian bombs are killing American soldiers, that’s not true, but it’s certainly been made in, I think every American newspaper, the suggestion that Iran is somehow killing Americans. The suggestion that Iran has nuclear weapons, is imminently close to nuclear weapons. That is not true but that’s been, those claims are made, even by this Administration. The idea that we have two carrier battle groups currently in the region and in fact I just saw today, Admiral Walsh, one of the big guys in the Navy said that we’re very concerned about what Iran is doing even more so than Al Qaeda.  So there, all the signs are there that we are being, we’re going to wake up one morning soon, very soon, and we will be at war with Iran. We will have bombed them in some sort of shock and awe campaign destroying many lives and setting back US relations even further than we’ve already done it with Iraq.

      we have built four mega bases, they are complete. Most of the money we gave to Halliburton was for construction and completion of these bases. We have probably, of the 150,000, 160,000 troops we have in Iraq probably 110,000 of those folks are associated with one of those four mega bases. Safely ensconced behind acres and acres of concrete. To operate there indefinitely, no matter what happens in Baghdad, no matter who takes over, no matter if the country splits into three pieces or it stays one. No matter what happens, we have those mega bases, and there’s many in Congress and certainly in this administration, Republican and Democrat alike that really like that.
      ...
      I think what people have to do now is kind of stand up and separate themselves from a government to the extent that they don’t agree with it and prepare themselves for real battle. Because we are gonna need to stand up very, I can use the word "vociferously," I think that’s what we have to do, cause our own country is at risk, but not from terror, not from buildings being knocked down, that’s not what our country is at risk from, it’s at risk from our politics, from our abandonment of the Constitution, our devaluing of the Bill of Rights. We’ve lost our freedom.

      Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended from abroad. ~J. Madison

      by wolverine 06 on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:37:59 AM PST

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      •  Impeachment (0+ / 0-)

        does not work to end this war. You assume that whoever is the president, after this one has been removed, will have a different vision for moving the country forward, there is no guarantee that this is the case.

        Beyond that if we fail to remove him (which we certainly will given that there are 49 Republicans) we will have validated his actions as reasonable and do far more harm to the country.

        If you live in fear, then the worst that can happen to you has already happened

        by Something the Dog Said on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:42:56 AM PST

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        •  Impeaching Cheney and Bush puts (2+ / 0-)
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          Speaker Pelosi in the White House.

          I would hope that she would end the war.

          Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended from abroad. ~J. Madison

          by wolverine 06 on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:44:48 AM PST

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          •  Sorry Brother Wolverine (0+ / 0-)

            You are living in a fantasy. Even if we could impeach both at the same time, all it takes is the VP to step down and someone else becomes the VP (I have no idea who that might be) but it would not result in Speaker Pelosi becoming the president.

            If you live in fear, then the worst that can happen to you has already happened

            by Something the Dog Said on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:46:43 AM PST

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            •  No my brother (4+ / 0-)

              They would be impeached together. John Conyers himself has said that would be the case, if it were to be done.

              He spoke very frankly about impeachment at a recent Town Hall event.

              Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended from abroad. ~J. Madison

              by wolverine 06 on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:52:06 AM PST

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              •  There is no provision for (0+ / 0-)

                two trials at the same time. Thier crimes would be different in anycase.
                Beyond that my point still stands. Lets say that articles of impeachment get through the house, before the trail starts, the VP resigns. No trial for the VP, and the President gets to appoint anybody he likes. Sure, the Senate has to approve them, but that just puts us in a trick bag. If we hold the trial first, then it looks like we are trying to force an unelected Democratic President on the country, and no Repug votes to remove. Or we vote down the president’s choice, same deal. Impeachment is more emotionally satisfying, but it really does not end the war. In fact that is my biggest argument against impeachment, it is a distraction from trying to end the war.  

                If you live in fear, then the worst that can happen to you has already happened

                by Something the Dog Said on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 12:09:15 PM PST

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                •  I agree that the troops (0+ / 0-)

                  must be the first priority, but for different reasons.

                  I have tried to recreate the Democrats thinking. In doing so, I have run this through my mind so many times and under every option possible.

                  This comment, Bring the troops home, this comment Realities of War, this comment I agree up to a point, and this comment Max1, sums up that reasoning.

                  I would appreciate someone checking my analysis and seeing if it hold water. I have yet find a reasonable opposing point of view.

                  I am predicting a sunk US ship and an attack on Iran in the near future.

                  Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended from abroad. ~J. Madison

                  by wolverine 06 on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 12:41:28 PM PST

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        •  Republics Would Be Seen As Out Of Touch. (3+ / 0-)

          You said:
          "...we will have validated his actions as reasonable..."

          No, I think we'll instead validate that the Republics in Washington are out of touch.   We'll get the Republics to go on record as supporting The Cokehead.

          -N.B.

          "Don't look back... something might be gaining on you..." -Satchel Paige.

          by npb7768 on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:09:31 AM PST

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          •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

            And we won't be seen as focusing on the wrong issue? The public wants the war to end. That is the main point of this diary. I agree with that, but impeachment is a fantasy. The Repugs are on record supporting the worst president ever. That will not change.

            I would love to remove these two felons, but it is not possible in the time left in their terms and with this congress. Slice it any way you like it still comes down to votes, and we don't have enough.

            If you live in fear, then the worst that can happen to you has already happened

            by Something the Dog Said on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 12:12:14 PM PST

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  •  Murtha has (4+ / 0-)

    ...the only realistic plan at this time.  

    Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

    by Barbara Morrill on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:24:31 AM PST

    •  That's ridiculous. (0+ / 0-)

      If Murtha's plan is the only realistic one, it's only because we're all to quick to write off the others are unrealistic.

      •  Reality says (0+ / 0-)

        ...funding will not be cut off and the AUMF will not be revoked.  In a perfect world, funding would be cut and we'd start bringing the troops home tomorrow.  It's not going to happen, so at this time, Murtha's is the only realistic plan to start ending this.  

        Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

        by Barbara Morrill on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:54:02 AM PST

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        •  I don't approve (1+ / 0-)
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          of his defeatist rhetoric. We don't have the votes, so I guess we won't even put it up for a vote.

          I think with the state of the active military and reserves, that his bill makes perfect sense. But when he starts to add the exception clauses of executive discetion onto the training and equipping provisions: that is where I draw the line.

          Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended from abroad. ~J. Madison

          by wolverine 06 on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:03:54 AM PST

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          •  Considering there are (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            wolverine 06

            ...people dying, I'd rather get something done rather than settling for symbolic victories.  

            I agree completely about executive discretion being a load of crap and I hope it will be fought.

            Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

            by Barbara Morrill on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:07:27 AM PST

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  •  Wolverine, (3+ / 0-)

    Take a deep breath.  We've been here before.  It's no different than when the Repugs were in charge of the House and Senate.  In fact we still have a leg up on that.

    We are all frustrated, but I for one don't intend to give up. Big Hug Buddy :)

    •  Neither do I (2+ / 0-)
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      Alma, tahoebasha2

      But I do want people to know and others to know what is truly at stake when you hear the Dems talk like this. I do not, can not accept the rhetoric, "we can't do it" and not even try. That's bullshit!

      They must try. It is the only option.

      Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended from abroad. ~J. Madison

      by wolverine 06 on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:48:26 AM PST

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  •  wolverine (1+ / 0-)
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    Alma

    I am wondering what precipitated this "change" or watering down in thoughts -- but we seem to ask that question a lot.

    State impeachment efforts are making a gain.  This week there will be marathon telephone calling to Congressmen -- all week -- demanding that Bush not be allowed the $93 billion he's requested.  Congress will be hounded on a daily basis.

    There has to be a way -- somehow.  I would go for criminal prosecution of these criminals if that could be done and I don't see why not -- that should be done with impeachment or without.

    Come visit our activist site and get involved! SoapBox4Truth.org

    by tahoebasha2 on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:22:34 AM PST

    •  Murtha's bill (1+ / 0-)
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      must move forward for a vote, undiluted with all stipulations in place; without any executive discretion clauses.

      I cannot accept the fact that they are not willing to put those who are not in favor of the full undiluted bill on record as having voted against it.

      Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended from abroad. ~J. Madison

      by wolverine 06 on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:29:54 AM PST

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  •  Dems who don't want to bring this forward... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...because "we don't have the votes" are complicit in the cold-blooded murder of our troops.

    Yeah, let's give up and keep marching them into a crossfire because "we don't have the votes" to get them out.

    You can bet if THEIR kids were involved we'd be outta there like shit through a goose.

    It's good for your enemies to think you're a little crazy. As long as you can back it up.

    by dov12348 on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:47:32 AM PST

    •  I have (2+ / 0-)
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      made my calls and sent my letters.

      I have also urged and implored the impeachment buffs to spend more of their time by constructively pushing for defunding, rather then wasting their breath barking about impeachment to a Congress that is unwilling to listen.

      If this option goes "t!7s-up", then we are left with nothing but watching the clock.

      Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended from abroad. ~J. Madison

      by wolverine 06 on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:56:44 AM PST

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  •  Thanks all (1+ / 0-)
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    for commenting. I think I got my point across.

    Not too many had the guts to recommend, but that's OK. I didn't expect it to be recommended. It is not a feel good diary.

    I thought it was more important to address the issue that the Dems are close to capitulating on this issue too, especially now that they have taken impeachment off the table.

    Again, Thanks.

    Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended from abroad. ~J. Madison

    by wolverine 06 on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 03:10:08 PM PST

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      being as familiar as I am with ya, I get where you're coming from here, and can't say I disagree entirely.

      But put the hemlock down, we're only at half-time mi amigo! Despair is the enemy of success.

      We just need to stay focused, let our reason guide us, emotion drive us, and keep our eye on the ball, per se.

      Even the darkest night, has a dawn!

      How you doing otherwise? :)

      Síochán!

      "Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God."

      ~Susan B. Anthony

      by Erevann on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 02:21:59 PM PST

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