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Haven't seen this story diaried: Iraqi army has 25% absenteeism, major problems. Happy to delete if it's a repeat.

According to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer:

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. has spent $19 billion to train and equip 348,000 Iraqi security forces to take over from U.S. troops, yet Iraqi units remain beset by 25 percent absenteeism, sectarian infiltration and the inability to sustain combat operations, Army Lt. Gen. Martin Dempsey, former head of U.S. training, told Congress on Tuesday.

Of course, Dempsey is just the latest military officer to give us this particularly insane news. But take a look at what else he had to say:

Of 188,300 Iraqi police officers trained by the United States, as many as 13,000 have either deserted or remain unaccounted for, including an unknown number of Iraqi police who have defected to the insurgency or been taken into custody by U.S. forces during combat operations.


Iraqi combat brigades initially sent into Baghdad to join the 17,500 U.S. troop "surge" ordered by President Bush on Jan. 10 showed up with barely 50 percent of their assigned soldiers. Iraqi soldiers were assigned to serve 90-day combat tours -- in contrast to U.S. Army combat units that were ordered to begin serving 15-month combat tours April 11.

Doesn't seem like the Iraqi's are planning to "stand up" anytime soon.

Originally posted to Mind That on Wed Jun 13, 2007 at 08:40 AM PDT.

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  •  Iraqnamization (3+ / 0-)
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    serrano, esquimaux, Mind That

    This mirrors with stunning exactness the performance of the South Vietnamese military under Nixon's "Vietnamization" project.  I call the whole "stand up stand down" thing "Iraqnamization".

  •  So we train them to fight against us? n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    •  Well, yes, but (3+ / 0-)
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      Canadian Reader, moodyx, Mind That

      we also arm them. I mean, we wouldn't send Iraqi insurgents into the field with insufficient equipment.

      •   "sitting down" faster than they "stand up" (1+ / 0-)
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        Mind That
        Can you say ARVN, aall over again?

        Have I seen this bad movie before?  What was it called, Vietnamation?  I remember this joke of a policy once before....

        Here are some chunks from the AP.  Sorry this Apple doesn't have "blockquote" on the menu below.

        "WASHINGTON - About one in six Iraqi policemen trained by U.S.-led forces has been killed or wounded, has deserted or just disappeared....
        Speaking before a House subcommittee, Dempsey said some 32,000 Iraqi police had been lost from the newly trained force of 188,000 in the 18 months before January.
        About 8,000 to 10,000 were believed killed in action and 6,000 to 8,000 wounded severely enough so they cannot serve, he said Tuesday.
        Another 5,000 "probably ... had deserted."
        The remaining 7,000 or 8,000 are unaccounted for."

        Didn't Cheney claim it was 200,000 plus several years ago?

        "Officials have adjusted the size of the army a number of times, including last December, when Iraq's prime minister decided to add about 20,000 soldiers on top of a planned 325,000, to put more forces in the most heavily contested parts of the country."

        We need to walk away.  If you want to call it cut and run, so be it.

        "We will now proceed to construct the socialist order."

        by 7November on Wed Jun 13, 2007 at 09:32:16 AM PDT

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    •  And it goes back to the very beginning (4+ / 0-)
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      Canadian Reader, NYFM, moodyx, esquimaux

      of this mess, too. My god, Bremer starts things off by essentially telling the standing Iraqi army, "You're fired, we aren't going to pay you, and take you weapons with you!"

      And guess who made up the backbone of the early insurgency?

      Love, baby, that's where it's at. --The B52's

      by Mind That on Wed Jun 13, 2007 at 09:01:33 AM PDT

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  •  Well, just why should they fight and die? (2+ / 0-)
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    Canadian Reader, Mind That

    So that Big Oil can get its contracts?

    we're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression

    by Lepanto on Wed Jun 13, 2007 at 09:08:12 AM PDT

    •  Why should anyone for that matter? (1+ / 0-)
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      Canadian Reader

      It's bugged me for a long time that the US subsidizes the oil industry by using our military to protect its ships, routes and wells. If we're really a free market economy, Big Oil should be paying for the price of doing business rather than taxpayers.

      Love, baby, that's where it's at. --The B52's

      by Mind That on Wed Jun 13, 2007 at 09:12:50 AM PDT

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  •  They are not absent. Merely rotating... (3+ / 0-)
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    Canadian Reader, NYFM, Mind That

    They are not absent. They are merely rotating duty into their preferred "insurgency" faction of choice, and sharing their weapons, materiel, and education with other Iraqis, all of whom, while they hate each other, hate America even more at the moment.

    Why any of this surprises anyone, I will never know. How would you feel if Russia had successfully invaded America and were building the largest American embassy in the work, to house 1,000 permanent American staff, building permanent military bases coast to coast, and forcing the puppet American Congress to pass legislation giving them control over the majority output of our oil, or say our wheat and corn and soy growing bread basket for the next 50-60 years?

    You would probably be joining ol' Patrick Swazye in the mountains of "Red Dawn", that is where you would be.

    •  This could just be part of Bush's (1+ / 0-)
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      plan to ensure that we fulfill our destiny:

      (Bush) . . . also made it clear he was setting Iraq up so his successor could not get out of "our country's destiny."

      From the very start we've seemed to be arming the millions of young, angry, unemployed men in Iraq.

      Love, baby, that's where it's at. --The B52's

      by Mind That on Wed Jun 13, 2007 at 09:40:49 AM PDT

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  •  Goes back to early mistake of firing the Iraqi (2+ / 0-)
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    Army.  The first thing we did when we took over was stop paying like 500,000 Iraqi army personnel. They were all just a tad upset.  
    Roots for the insurgency began right there.

    •  Just think what would happen in the US (0+ / 0-)

      if we suddenly had 500,000 unemployed young men, trained in the art of war. Or anywhere for that matter.

      It's crazy.

      Love, baby, that's where it's at. --The B52's

      by Mind That on Wed Jun 13, 2007 at 09:43:03 AM PDT

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