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What's the proper movie reference here? Is it Groundhog Day? Or is it the scene from Speed, where they use the video loop playback to fool the terrorist and allow everyone to escape the bus?

I guess since nobody's escaping, it must be Groundhog Day. Oh, and I need to get out to the movies more often.

Ready? Here we go.

White House near decision to close Gitmo

WASHINGTON -- The Bush administration is nearing a decision to close the Guantanamo Bay detainee facility and move its terror suspects to military prisons elsewhere, The Associated Press has learned.


White House Denies Talk of Closing Guantanamo, June 22, 2007 · The Bush administration was insisting Friday that there was no imminent decision on closing the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, detainee center despite reports that a plan was being reviewed to shutter the facility used to hold alleged terrorists.


Too bad. So close. But I really feel like I ought to be more disappointed about this turn of events. I wonder why I'm not.

Could this be the fact that the Washington Post's editorial geniuses were under the impression that we discussing closing Guantanamo in June of 2005?

[T]he Bush administration is already engaged in a concerted effort to close the prison or at least reduce its population to a minimum.


Or not:

Cheney: U.S. Not Aiming To Close Guantanamo
Other Republicans Say Prison Is a Liability

By Marc Kaufman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, June 13, 2005; Page A02

Vice President Cheney said yesterday that the administration has no plans to close the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, as some prominent Democrats have recommended, but other Republicans said that reports of mistreatment of prisoners there have made the prison a growing global liability.


(By the way, note that the WaPo reports on June 13th that the administration has no plans to close Guantanamo, then editorializes on the 21st that there's a "concerted effort" to do just that.)

Maybe the fact that we were discussing closing Guantanamo in June of 2006?

Q Thank you, Mr. President. You expressed serious concern when you learned about the Guantanamo suicides, and you and your aides immediately called allies. I'm wondering, how concerned are you about the U.S. image abroad, based on this incident and the ongoing investigation in Haditha and Abu Ghraib and other incidents? And, also, why shouldn't Guantanamo be closed now?

THE PRESIDENT: I'd like to close Guantanamo, but I also recognize that we're holding some people that are darn dangerous, and that we better have a plan to deal with them in our courts. And the best way to handle -- in my judgment, handle these types of people is through our military courts. And that's why we're waiting on the Supreme Court to make a decision.


Then again...

MR. SNOW: [T]he President never said he wanted to -- he said he wants to close Guantanamo. He didn't say he wanted to close it quickly...


So here we are. It's June again. And June is the time we talk about, then deny talking about, closing Guantanamo. Just like it's the time when we talk about things getting better by September. Get it now?

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 08:43 AM PDT.

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  •  It's like the Terrorism Alerts. (6+ / 0-)

    What really pisses me off is that these people don't expect me to notice the pattern.

    They think I'm stupid.

  •  When I heard about the possible closing of Gitmo (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    ZappoDave, The Raven, MO Blue

    on the radio this morning, I hate to say that I disbelieved it immediately. I just couldn't see Bush having that drastic, or that positive, of a change of heart.

    You must be the change you wish to see in the world. - Gandhi

    by Gentle Giant on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 08:45:00 AM PDT

    •  As Condi Rice said (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      ZappoDave, The Raven, MO Blue

      "We don't want to keep Guantanomo open one more day than is necessary."

      i.e. when everyone there has been tortured to death or dies of natural causes, then we can close it since without prisoners, there is no fun.

    •  Even the plan they were to discuss (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      MO Blue

      was to build a prison in Afghanistan to house the remaining hostages, I mean the abducted.

      Most of the current (who knows how many have moved through Gitmo? I dunno ..) inmates at Gitmo are from Afghan.  So if they are sent to a prison in Afghan, then there are about 80 left over after that that are on the list to be released, but no country wants them at this point.

      All this doesn't answer the question then of why they are building permanent infrastructure (read death chambers) at Gitmo. If they plan to close it.

      You would think that would be one of the first questions on the "Press" would ask, but who am I kiddin'.

  •  "I've got you, babe...indefinitely" (0+ / 0-)

    Obligatory Groundhog Day joke.

    Three things cannot long be hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth. Buddha

    by zenbowl on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 08:45:10 AM PDT

  •  I'm not sure I'd say "Yay!" to Bush closing Gitmo (3+ / 0-)
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    labwitchy, The Raven, MO Blue

    Because of this:

    The Bush administration is nearing a decision to close the Guantanamo Bay detainee facility and move its terror suspects to military prisons elsewhere, The Associated Press has learned.

    Given all they've done these last 6.5 years, I'd bet they just want a place that's more secretive and gets some of the spotlight off their barbaric treatment of human beings.

    "We are the people who run this country. We are the deciders." Molly Ivins

    by VetGrl on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 08:45:45 AM PDT

    •  i thought (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:

      the same thing vetgrl.

      wouldn't it just be so much easier to treat these prisoners worse than they already are treated and then "lose" them in the system if the terror suspects are "moved" to other prisons?  

      •  I think Bush and his kind... (1+ / 0-)
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        would lie to you about what time it is just to have the fun of making you late for an appointment. They're cruel, heartless people straight to the core.

        "We are the people who run this country. We are the deciders." Molly Ivins

        by VetGrl on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 10:30:53 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Looks like some of the people in the govt (4+ / 0-)

    who want to shut Gitmo down leaked the report in AP, hoping to force the administration's hand.

    Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

    by lysias on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 08:46:09 AM PDT

    •  Either that, or it was a trial balloon (3+ / 0-)
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      ek hornbeck, Spathiphyllum, mspicata

      Sometimes the admin likes to float something out, see how it plays and weigh the pros and cons of actually doing it. Let the Drudges and Hugh Hewitts and Hannitys run it past the base and see how it flies.

      Gawd - that prison is such a stain on our country. Makes ya feel kinda like Lady MacBeth:

      "Out damned spot! out, I say! One; two: why, then 'tis time

      to do't  Hell is murky!  Fie, my lord - fie! a soldier and afeard?"

      Every day's another chance to stick it to The Man. - dls.

      by The Raven on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 08:51:38 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I think you're right (2+ / 0-)
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      ek hornbeck, The Raven

      and I think it's specifically Robert Gates.  If this is an attempt to force their hand, though, I think it backfired.  They were looking to do it as if they had intended to all along -- in other words, they would announce to us that Guantanamo was no longer needed.  Now, in the face of this story, they'll have to cook up a new rationale.

      Damn that tangled web!

      Success is a level of violence where the people feel comfortable about living their daily lives." --George W Bush, May 2, 2007

      by mspicata on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 08:51:43 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I think they're hoping to do it... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...when nobody is looking. Then, like magic, all the bad publicity will disappear and then they can claim there was never a gitmo in the first place.

    BTW, are we at war with Eurasia or Eastasia? I forget at this point...

    -4.50 -5.44

    "They're all crazy. They're all crazy except you and me. Sometimes I have me doubts about you." -- Garrett Fort

    by Spathiphyllum on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 08:47:00 AM PDT

  •  I think the Energizer Bunny is more appropriate (0+ / 0-)

    "It keeps going and going and going and going..."

    An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. -- T. Paine (-6.25, -7.18)

    by DH from MD on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 08:47:22 AM PDT

  •  It's the Bait and Switch - again! (0+ / 0-)

    Bush and Cheney can most probably be quoted as saying, this to all the American people and the rest of the world:

    "Hahaha! Suckers!"

  •  Delay, delay, delay til 2009 (1+ / 0-)
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    that's their gameplan.

    •  I have said this before too. (0+ / 0-)

      They are not running out the clock.

      A typical macho male sport behavior of doing and saying things that pacify the 30%  of their supporters especially the military war mongers.

      "We not losing yet!" Wait

      the 30%  (26) that thought we pulled out of Viet Namn too soon.  
      This is Viet Namn all over again for the boomers like Bush that never "tuned in and turned on. "
      You know the lovers of Frank Sinatra, not the Beat generation.

      Mexican American with Canadian citizenship. Ha! Please recommend?

      by TexMex on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 08:57:18 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Freeper response zomglol (3+ / 0-)
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    klw1963, The Raven, mspicata

    I certainly hope they have a plan to dispose of the inmates.

    I suggest releasing them into Harry Reid's custody. Or releasing them over the middle of the North Atlantic.

    dispose of the inmates.

    Dispose is the right word !!!

    More pandering to the PC crowd.

    In other words, bend over and grab your ankles for George Clooney and the looney left. If for no other reason than that the left will see this as a defeat, this proposal should be sh%t-canned.

    Alcee Hastings!! The guy that was impeached and thrown out as a federal judge for corruption?! Hahahahaha! You can’t make this sh*t up!! Is anyone actually running this government, or is it like a derelict ship with no helmsman?

    " decision on Guantanamo Bay’s status is imminent."

    Gosh, that sounds ummmm contradictory to the headline.

    It’s from AP. They make a lving [sic] out of lying.
    Anyway without Cheney’s approval nothing is gonna happen.

    It does, of course. It could be more of what Limbaugh points out as the "Drive by Media"'s tendency to report the news they want to see, rather than the news that's actually happening. It's sort of like when they kept hinting that Karl Rove or even the Vice President were going to be indicted during the Plame kerfuffle.

  •  Methinks WaPo (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    The Raven

    has been given their orders. "Make those polling numbers go up", and as the people have indicated their dismay at the fact of Gitmo and the fact of torture and the fact of Abu Gharaib, well then, pretending to "listen" to the people is bound to work, right? Or am I being naive in thinking they give a damn? Oh, wait...there are R's up for reelection. Hmmm...

    Oh, and of course, there's that inconvenient testimony by General Taguba...

    "In the United States, political will is a renewable resource". Gore 2008

    by Lisa Lockwood on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 08:49:13 AM PDT

    •  Why bother with orders (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      MO Blue

      when the stupid sheep are so easy to manipulate. You call them up and dangle hints -- "I may have something for you." Then you get them to take you someplace nice for lunch and you tell them -- strictly on background, of course, and you know they'll go to jail for you before they reveal their sources -- you tell them whatever lie it is you want published. Then they run off all excited-like to their editor: "Hey, I got a scoop, just like a real reporter!"

  •  I've seen this one (0+ / 0-)

    I'm changing the channel now.

    Reporters aren't called "the press" for nothing.

    by droogie6655321 on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 08:50:33 AM PDT

  •  That Feeling, You Can Only Say What It Is In... (0+ / 0-)

    Politics is the deliberation of one's moral enterprise.

    by Omen on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 08:51:13 AM PDT

  •  Must be that 'Close Guantanamo talk' is on (0+ / 0-)

    their calendar like the twins birthdays and the Bushie anniversary.  Just take out last years calendar and transfer that info to the new one.

    This space for rent.

    by bherner on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 08:53:20 AM PDT

  •  Ain't Gonna Happen (0+ / 0-)

    As long as Darth Cheney is the Vice President.  Rice has little or no influence, and Cheney will simply bulldoze over Gates and anyone else who opposes him.

  •  Someone (0+ / 0-)

    with too much time on their hands did an analysis of Groundhog Day to figure out how many times Bill Murray repeated that day...judging how many days it would take him to learn to play the piano like that, for example.

    They came up with something like 10,000.

    I hope that analogy doesn't extend to our stay in Iraq....

  •  It's the Department of Mini-Truth n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  The Tunnel Under the World (0+ / 0-)

    by Frederick Pohl everyday is June 15th

    ...the military is different. It is unique. It exists for one purpose and that's to apply state violence -Colin Powell Meet The Press 6-10-2007

    by waitingforvizzini on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 09:00:18 AM PDT

  •  They leak a "plan" to do something (0+ / 0-)

    Get credit as if they've actually done it, everyone takes eye off problem, and several months are bought...then repeat.

    We've had leaks of planned drawdowns for Iraq in the near future for years.  

    December is the new September.

    by Inland on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 09:01:08 AM PDT

  •  Flip...flop....flip....flop. n/t (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Greasy Grant

    (1) D.I.E.B.O.L.D.: Decisive In Elections By Ousting Liberal Democrats.
    (2) R.A.T.S.: Roberts, Alito, Thomas, Scalia.
    (3) -8.75, -8.10

    by Archangel on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 09:02:11 AM PDT

  •  Unique thing about today's rumor: (0+ / 0-)

    The radio report I heard this morning indicated that GWB's wife and mother are urging him to close the prison at Guantanamo.

    Have Laura and Barbara finally decided to do the right thing to mitigate the damage their black sheep is doing to America's global reputation as well as their family legacy?

    Naaahhhh, probably just a silly rumor :-P

    "Some men see things as they are and say 'Why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'I need to quit drinking!'" - Greasy Grant

    by Greasy Grant on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 09:02:40 AM PDT

  •  CNN said they had meeting scheduled but cancelled (1+ / 0-)
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    Greasy Grant

    Via ThinkProgress:

    [T]he spokesman for the National Security Counsel, Gordon Johndroe, says that this is a meeting that is no longer the schedule for tomorrow. He won’t go into the details about why this meeting isn’t taking place. ... I’m not sure whether or not [the meeting was canceled] was because of the news that broke about this story. The wording from the White House is very careful if you’ll note. They said there will not be a White House meeting tomorrow, which — there’s a little wiggle room there, in terms of whether or not there was something on the schedule for that meeting. We now know that there was something that was scheduled for tomorrow that is no longer taking place.

    Who the fuck knows.  As you imply Kagro, it's likely a continual chain yank.

    We're fixing Kansas Mr. Frank, slowly but surely.......

    by MisterOpus1 on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 09:04:36 AM PDT

  •  Maybe they need the Marines that staff Gitmo (0+ / 0-)

    to redeploy to Anbar province.

    That would make as much sense as anything else.

  •  This is how the administration makes decisions. (2+ / 0-)
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    betson08, Greasy Grant

    The reason that President Bush is so "steadfast" is actually pretty simple: he has no personal initiative.   Early on he liked to talk about how he made "gut" decisions, which in other words are decisions in which he does not invest any planning or thought.  

    If you look at the Iraq war strategy since the fall of Bagdhad, stripped of the words it pretty much amounts to trying to keep the status quo going and reacting to developments as enemies show up.

    Anybody who's worked for such an intellectually passive boss knows how you get things done.   You show him open doors and hope he impulsively jumps through them.   To stop other people from getting things done, you slam their doors shut.

    I've lost my faith in nihilism

    by grumpynerd on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 09:09:49 AM PDT

  •  2006, not 2005 (0+ / 0-)

    The WaPo editorial you linked to is from June 2006, not June 2005.

  •  New strategy - move to Afghanistan - no different (0+ / 0-)

    Now they're proposing to move accused "terrorists", including American civilians, to Afghanistan.

    That's a laugh riot.  I can't imagine a better place in the world (even better than Iraq, given the lack of scrutiny in Afghanistan) to move prisoners if you wanted to torture them.

    I think Bush and company is missing the point on this one.

  •  Leave Gitmo open (0+ / 0-)

    We will be needing it in 2009 for all those violators of the Geneva Convention.
    O wait no violations done?
    Then you won't mind if we just do the same to you guys George, Dick,....Al...

  •  "darn dangerous"? (0+ / 0-)

    Jeepers, what in tarnation are we gonna do? Holy smokes! This is one heck of a pickle!

    "Make no mistake about it, I understand how tough it is, sir. I talk to families who die." George W. Bush 12/7/06

    by kitebro on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 09:18:51 AM PDT

  •  I thought that all sounded very familiar (0+ / 0-)

    It's hard to keep up with all the various shitty scripts playing over and over again.

    "I believe that ignorance is the root of all evil. And that no one knows the truth." - Molly Ivins

    by littlesky on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 09:24:21 AM PDT

  •  The Usual Lies (0+ / 0-)

    Whenever there's a rumor that the Bush administration plans to do something reduce the number of troops, or something, it's ALWAYS false.

    Expect more warrantless wiretaps, secret prisons, torture, and lies from this administration and it's Republican enablers.

  •  Make September Magical! (0+ / 0-)

    Sign up now for Iraq Moratorium Day, September 21!

  •  "Cheney legs" (0+ / 0-)

    Had to laugh at your 'yay!' and 'boo!' comments - sums up how I felt while trying to figure out the press release/'nothing to see here non-releases' that were floating around last night.

    I also laughed last night when I saw Steve Clemons' update on the Washington Note: "Cheneyism still has some serious legs."

    Update: I have just spoken with a senior administration acquaintance "who would not confirm or deny" that there would be the Principals Meeting tomorrow described above -- but who made it clear that the press is reporting that some in the administration are saying that the meeting has been cancelled. Cheneyism still has some serious legs perhaps.

    I hope Lincoln's ghost kicks Nixon's ghost around the Oval Office at night. Petition to impeach Gonzo -

    by feduphoosier on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 09:31:35 AM PDT

  •  Don't forget, we were (0+ / 0-)

    supposed to demolish Abu Ghraib.

    "A new Iraq will also need a humane, well-supervised prison system. Under the dictator, prisons like Abu Ghraib were symbols of death and torture. That same prison became a symbol of disgraceful conduct by a few American troops who dishonored our country and disregarded our values. America will fund the construction of a modern, maximum security prison. When that prison is completed, detainees at Abu Ghraib will be relocated. Then, with the approval of the Iraqi government, we will demolish the Abu Ghraib prison, as a fitting symbol of Iraq's new beginning. (Applause.) "

  •  Nicely done, KagroX. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    Just another shining example of how blogs are great tools for monitoring the words of our elected officials, and comparing them over time.  It is precisely what the traditional media should be doing more of these days, especially with this administration.


    Judge me on the content of my character, not the underwear on my head."

    by Bill in Portland Maine on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 10:38:48 AM PDT

    •  Agree, great detective work (0+ / 0-)

      So, my question is: what purpose does this cyclical talk of closing Gtmo serve? Are there similarities in the political contexts in which these rumors occur? What is happening behind the scenes that makes people want to "leak" this "rumor"?

      I can't figure it out.

  •  Groundhog Day (0+ / 0-)

    Thank you for this, it's nice to see side by side comparisons someplace other than the Daily Show. Totally OT:  I once was flying around the international dateline, and saw Groundhog Day on 3 consecutive flights.  Really.  Weird.

  •  Only by the grace of FAUX and the rest of the (0+ / 0-)

    go along media death merchant outlets...
    Wake up world and smell the cordite...

    From the Book of Horrible Questions , Would you push a red button for $10 million but 100 random people would die of natural causes, Survey said 55% would ?

    by FAUX GOP DEATH TV on Sat Jun 23, 2007 at 06:27:16 AM PDT

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