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While Congress has yet to issue formal contempt citations for Bush administration officials, there's no doubt that contempt in the old-fashioned sense -- scorn, disdain, distrust, and disgust -- is exactly what they feel for the current attorney general.  

"The department is dysfunctional. . . . Every week a new issue arises. . . . That is just decimating, Mr. Attorney General. . . . The list goes on and on. . . . Is your department functioning? . . . What credibility is left for you? . . . Do you expect us to believe that? . . . Your credibility has been breached to the point of being actionable."

And that was just from the top Republican on the committee, Arlen Specter (Pa.). Democrats had to scramble to keep up with the ranking member's contempt.

If there is any man who, when neck-deep in a hole, has so gleefully wielded a shovel, he would have to be... well, just about any other member of the Bush administration.  But in Gonzales's case, he didn't just dip down another few feet in his testimony yesterday, he cut through the bedrock and got right down to the sneering core.  

Leahy asked if Gonzales would block prosecutors from prosecuting contempt-of-Congress cases. "I'm not going to answer that question," the witness answered.

"Do you think constitutional government in the United States can survive if the president has the unilateral authority to reject congressional inquiries?" Specter pressed.

"I'm not going to answer this question."

As for Gonzales' testimony that he went to harangue the hospitalized Ashcroft at the urging of the "Gang of Eight," there are other versions of those events from one of the "gang members."

But it's not just Mr. Comey's word against Mr. Gonzales's when it comes to aspects of this matter. Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), who was ranking minority member on the Senate intelligence committee in 2004, told The Post's Dan Eggen and William Branigin that he was surprised by Mr. Gonzales's description of a meeting earlier on March 10, 2004, involving top lawmakers on the intelligence committees. Mr. Gonzales testified that there was consensus among lawmakers of both parties that the intelligence program in question should not be allowed to lapse and that Mr. Ashcroft should be informed about that consensus. Mr. Rockefeller told The Post that there was no such agreement. Mr. Gonzales is "once again . . . making something up to protect himself," said Mr. Rockefeller, who is now chairman of the Senate intelligence committee.

Tom Daschle, another member of the "gang," was even more forceful in pointing out the holes in Gonzales' testimony.

"I am quite certain that at no time did we encourage the AG or anyone else to take such actions," Daschle said in the statement in response to reporters' questions.

The recollections of both men leave little doubt that Gonzales attempted to protect himself by tossing lie on top of lie.  This statement alone should be enough to prove to any observer that we have an attorney general whose interest in the truth is nonexistent.  That's a pretty shaky foundation on which to build a justice system.

To columnist Andrew Cohen, the whole testimony was so twisted, it passed into the surreal.

No reasonable person watching Gonzales' tragically comedic performance Tuesday's on Capitol Hill-- especially his miserable exchange with Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) in late morning-- can any longer defend his appalling lack of competence, courage and credibility. And no one who hears him say that he is what's best for the Department right now should forget that on the eve of his testimony (and a few days after he urged his subordinates to work diligently to regain their morale) the nation's top law enforcement official reportedly left work early to go for a bike ride Monday afternoon-- at about 3:50 p.m.

I am running out of words to describe how inept this public servant is and how awful is the message our government sends to the nation and to the world by allowing him to continue to represent us.

Congress holds Alberto Gonzales in contempt, as well it should, but in the case of the attorney general it shouldn't bother with issuing any contempt citations.  Neither should they feel it necessary to seat a special prosecutor when the clearest crimes Gonzales has committed have occurred on the floor of the House and Senate.  

Every day Alberto Gonzales continues to peddle away the last vestiges of respect for the Justice Department, and for the whole justice system, is a day too long.  There is no remedy but impeachment, and no time like the present.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 05:50 AM PDT.

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  •  Anyone,,, (25+ / 0-)

    who doesn't believe Gonzo will do everything in his power to block a Special Prosecutor should be living on Mars.

    Refuse to answer?  That's your answer right there.  Contempt charges are going nowhere with these criminals in charge.

    "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine 3610+ dead Americans. Bring them home.

    by Miss Blue on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 05:46:50 AM PDT

  •  If they don't impeach him now (12+ / 0-)

    They'd better have a damn good reason.  

    It's clear at this point that BushCo are courting impeachment because they think they'll win and set precedent (at which point they will be free to invade Iran without any hint of consequences).  

    Bring it on.

    •  Purgery, Obstruction of justice,... (6+ / 0-)

      Violating the Hatch act.  Incompetence.

      Is that enough for you?

      You are right they are gunning for it.  They want a diversion from Iraq.  They are thinkin that the Repugs in the Senate will never let it happen.

      But as it's been said elsewhere, there is a point where you have to stop worrying about the politics and start worrying about principle.  It's like giving a criminal a free pass because you're afraid that people won't like you for prosecuting him.

      It is time.

      •  No they don't want (6+ / 0-)

        a diversion from Iraq. They want everyone to know, without qualification, that not only can't the American people get rid of the Criminals in Chief, we can't even get rid of their lackeys. This is the acid test for the Republicans in Congress, the ultimate trial balloon. If they can send the flunky in claiming unprecedented incompetence and disconnect when it comes to the actual job he was appointed to, and flying at full staff a flag of smirking contempt for the rule of law that said job was once supposed to uphold, not to mention utter disregard for the investigative body that supposedly holds his fate in their hands; if they can do that without the flunky winding up in Leavenworth, then they know that Bush in his White House and Cheney in his undisclosed location are still snug as can be. Untouchable and sneering.

        Were there a God in the Heavens, this assault upon the very foundations of society that we have based a great nation on for centuries would ignite a media circus that would leave Bill Clinton's penis a forgotten ash in a West Wing fireplace. Lying to Congress once, and over the sort of rather personal act that had previously been left well enough alone, was enough for these folks to impeach a sitting President. Lying to Congress in a constant stream seemingly capable of embarrassing the Johnstown flood apparently draws naught but yawns when nearly half of our our elected officials choose party over Country.

        This administration is pushing things as hard as it can just to see if it can break them. It's time for things to break. Something damned well needs to happen, and losing Gonzo is a good first step.

        •  God has nothing to do with the media (0+ / 0-)

          They're bought and paid for by corporate interests who have a vital stake in keeping the Bush cabal in power.

          Don't expect much from the media.

          But Dems have to make a change in the media ownership rules the number one priority if we ever get through all this crap and prevail.

          Now that's something that might be in God's hands.

          Or in ours.

          Investigate. Issue Subpoenas. Convict. Rinse. Repeat.

          by moosely2006 on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 08:59:28 AM PDT

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    •  Go Ahead (8+ / 0-)

      Make my day.  If the Republics think anyone outside of the Bush Bubble is going to be outraged by the impeachment of Gonzales, they are seriously misreading the mood of the American people.  This would set a precedent all right - one that begins the dismantling of this corrupt regime.

      "There are no happy endings in the Bush Administration". - Randall L. Tobias

      by MadRuth on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 05:58:05 AM PDT

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  •  His testimony (or lack thereof) didn't surprise (14+ / 0-)

    me, but the raw antagonism from the Senators did. They are pissed, and rightly so.

    However, contempt charges may well be a waste of time with this cocky criminal.

    "Always do right -- this will gratify some and astonish the rest." Mark Twain

    by TampaProgressive on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 05:48:06 AM PDT

  •  Another point. (19+ / 0-)

    We've now heard publicly from five of the gang of eight.  All five have said Gonzo is full of shit.

    Lying before Congress?  There you have it.

    "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine 3610+ dead Americans. Bring them home.

    by Miss Blue on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 05:49:36 AM PDT

    •  This alone (13+ / 0-)

      The initial lie on this issue, and the compounding lie in yesterday's testimony, should be enough to move forward on impeachment.

      Would I prefer to have Gonzo impeached on any of the rank violations of civil rights under his watch?  Sure.  But then, Al Capone went down on tax charges, and I'd simply be happy to see Gonzales out of there.

    •  His gamble... (3+ / 0-)
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      Miss Blue, koNko, moosely2006

      ... IMO is to rely on the confidentiality of the briefing, i.e. the fact that this was all classified material, to try to keep the discussion of this stuff off the front pages.  In other words, he's relying on the fact that the gang of eight won't be able to provide enough detail about the supposed two plans to make the conflict clear enough to drum up support for impeachment.

      Moreover, given the fact that the members of the gang of eight are all witnesses to the proceeding, I'm thinking that the Administration is going to object to them being part of the consideration of the case.  That "recusal" business, you know.  It's BS here, IMO.

      "I intend to live forever. So far, so good." Steven Wright

      by gsbadj on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 06:32:22 AM PDT

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  •  Impeachment of Gonzales (2+ / 0-)
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    TampaProgressive, BigiMac

    will end inquiry into the real culprits.

    Bush, Cheney and Addington and the rest will walk away scott-free.
    Gonzales will resign after charges brought in the House.

    We need him to resign on his own so we can continue the inquiry.

    •  On the contrary (17+ / 0-)

      Impeaching Gonzales could be the gateway to other impeachments.  If he folds, fine, there's one obstacle removed.  If the White House continues to try and use him as a shield, they'll only be making the case against them more clear.

    •  The danger is impeachment (4+ / 0-)
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      GOTV, Builderman, koNko, Indy1776

      he resigns, we "win".
      Repubs and press say "You win, Gonzo gone, DOJ all better, get back to business and stop being so partisan."  "Continuing to investigate at this point is beating a dead horse."

      Iran-Contra anyone?

      Keep the focus on the real deciders.
      Gonzo will have to resign without impeachment because there is so much bad press in his stayong with all of the perjury.

      This also saves impeachment for a real culprit- the country could not sit thru 2 impeachment trials, IMHO.

      •  Why will he have to resign? (7+ / 0-)

        In what universe has bad press ever made one whit of difference to the Bush administration?

        •  Because a real impeachment trial and defense (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Fabian, koNko

          would allow more discovery/witnesses.

          Bushco wants this buried.
          Sacrificing him to impeachment makes us commit to big investment in sinking gonzo.
          we start this up, and we forfeit impeaching anyone else.
          then he resigns before actual trial.

          no more discovery, no more impeachment.

          •  So filing articles of impeachment... (5+ / 0-)

            will bring about Gonzo's resignation?

            Let's start filing.

            •  I think a house vote to impeach (1+ / 0-)
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              koNko

              will do it.
              before senate trial he resigns.
              the investment in getting the house vote would be such a spectacle and garner so much attention, that the country will be relieved to have gonzo gone.

              they will also think the problem is solved and be less inclined to more investigation.

              And since no trial in senate, we lose discovery.
              Bush Cheney et al walk.

          •  drational (0+ / 0-)

            standard or even special prosecutor pursuing federal crimes is all well and good.

            But the President can commute sentences and make pardons for any crimes Gonzo is convicted of.

            Not so much if he is facing charges from or convicted via impeachment.

            And Bush will shamelessly pardon anyone in his regime.

            Ask Scooter.

            Impeachment is the way to go.

            Investigate. Issue Subpoenas. Convict. Rinse. Repeat.

            by moosely2006 on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 09:05:18 AM PDT

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      •  Oh, he's not resigning. (1+ / 0-)
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        moosely2006

        He's there doing what he's doing quite simply to show that the impeachment movement is still too weak to take down even the most egregious offenses against the Constitution as long as the Republicans keep ranks and continue to choose party over country. He is the the Butterball pop-up thermometer of impeachment. If he can sit there and tell Congress to bite his nether regions, oh, but gently, without any repercussions at all, his masters are safe.

        •  His masters are safer if we impeach (2+ / 0-)
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          koNko, junta0201

          At present, Gonzo is agaitation, driving more investigation, pushing toward const crisis over exec priv.
          they are at risk, separated from investigators by gonzo and exec priv

          if we initiate impeachment, we invest heavily.  we may get the house but gonzo will resign before senate discovery.  no admin person wants impeach in senate where exec priv may be gone and bigtime discovery opportunities.

          Gonzo resigns, the world thinks dem victory and says "let's reconcile".  There will be no big impetus for further impeachment or investigations, given that we have just impeached "the culprit".

          Meanwhile the higher-ups stay shielded from discovery.

          I think better option is indep prosecutor, more discovery.

          If Bush blocks bipartisan request for indep prosecutor, then he should be impeached for coverup.

          Indep prosecutor will have to fight exec priv claims, but as not partisan SJC or HJC, may have better luck in court of pub opinion...

          Just hypotheses...

    •  It will be follow on confirmation hearings (1+ / 0-)
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      Mother of Zeus

      for a new AG that open pandora's box.  First priority is getting gonzo out of office one way or the other.  

      Those who stand for nothing fall for anything - Alexander Hamilton

      by BigiMac on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 05:59:00 AM PDT

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    •  I disagree, but glad to see you back! (3+ / 0-)
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      drational, moosely2006, pickandshovel

      Gonzales will not be the end of investigations which may result in more impeachments or not, but will not end the hearings.

      •  Thanks! (2+ / 0-)
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        koNko, Mother of Zeus

        But ask why he is still in office and being allowed to perjure.
        don't doubt for a second that his performance was planned.

        He is the focal point for our angst, he is susceptible to impeachment.

        If we impeach, we use a nuclear option that almost certainly precludes using it against Bush/Cheney.

        •  He is still in office (4+ / 0-)

          because his replacement would have to clear the Democratic controlled Senate.  Imagine what an honest AG might do once he or she sees what's really going on in the DOJ.  It would be a disaster for Bush and Cheney.  Impeach Gonzo and we get a new AG who might have ethics.  

          •  I think that is right (2+ / 0-)
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            drational, moosely2006

            I think he is still in office due to a combination of having nothing to lose and Bush-style loyalty.  First, he is covering the President's ass and, while the Chief Criminals probably know their odds are not great on being able to make it out of office with Abu still in place to do their lying and obstructing, still they are way past the point of no return and have nothing more to lose by trying to keep him in.  Abu out creates new risks; standing behind Abu just perpetuates the status quo of risks which have already been assumed and from which there is no escape other than running out the clock.  Second, Bush is pretty notorious for refusing to throw a loyal supporter overboard.  I guess there is one more reason, which is also that to ditch Gonzales is to recognize limits and/or that the rule of law applies to the executive.  On the most basic level, this administration has come to stand for nothing so much as the middle finger to the rule of law.  Why back down now?

          •  Valid point (1+ / 0-)
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            koNko

            I still think impeachment too costly.
            better to compel resignation by perjury conviction.
            Special prosecutor.

          •  Suppose you're an honest, competent, Lawyer ... (0+ / 0-)

            With a good reputation.

            Now ask yourself, "Do I want to work for the Bush Adminisration?"

            "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein

            by koNko on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 09:48:00 AM PDT

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    •  And if he doesn't resign? (1+ / 0-)
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      drational

      And if he continues to protect everyone higher up and say that someone, somewhere (don't know who) within DoJ made all the decisions AND if he refuses to prosecute contempt citations, what then?  What if he continues to refuse to resign?

      Then he and all the others will walk out in 1/09, after shredding every last paper they can stuff into a machine, and hope that the next Congress will let it all go since they'll be out of there.  They know that the next Congress will have enough on its plate to keep it busy.

      What makes you think that an impeachment trial of AG would have to be the end of it?

      I (and others) share your disgust with the higher-ups and want them to be held responsible for their actions.  

      We just disagree on the most effective way to get at them.

      "I intend to live forever. So far, so good." Steven Wright

      by gsbadj on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 06:44:47 AM PDT

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  •  It Is Astounding How This Blog (4+ / 0-)
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    paradox, Builderman, Fabian, koNko

    points out the gum-flappingly obvious...and yet...

    Is It Time To Impeach Yet??? Just Checking...

    by TheManWithNoPoint on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 05:52:48 AM PDT

  •  Amen DT, (3+ / 0-)
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    paradox, rlharry, Indy1776

    I was absolutely sickened by the performance yesterday... and I was already expecting the most pathetic showing from Alberto.  This is perfect evidence of how far we have fallen as a country.  The fact that a man would sit in front of Congress and so shamelessly flaunt the law is dizzying.  This should be an action diary - we need to make calls, or visit DC en mas.  This criminal cannot stay in his position.  Fort this country to survive he must leave.

    Impeach now!

    •  I've Already... (0+ / 0-)

      sent letters to each and every member of the judiciary committee calling for the impeachment of Alberto.  Forget about a special prosecutor.  Bush will just appoint another loyal Bushie and continue stonewalling and obfuscating.  Gonzo must go.

      If you're Republican, you're either corrupt or misled.

      by rlharry on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 06:52:24 AM PDT

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  •  Impeachment is a good start for Gonzo... (6+ / 0-)

    Followed by criminal charges for perjury and objstruction of justice. The man belongs in an orange jumpsuit.

    The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason. -Benjamin Franklin

    by HairyTrueMan on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 05:53:13 AM PDT

    •  The risk has to be seen by Leahy (2+ / 0-)
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      koNko, HairyTrueMan

      If Gonzo won't go and Leahy keeps this up he forces the Democrats to act in heaving Gonzo.  They just cannot sit there forever, they cannot.  Forces too powerful for them to control are starting to get out of hand.

      If nothing happens......oy, we are in for it.  Leahy just can't be taking that risk that nothing will happen, will he?

      I mean, he can't be that obtuse, can he...?

  •  Does anyone else besides me (6+ / 0-)

    wonder who is advising Gonzo?  There is no question that the man on his own is dumber than a bag of hammers.  So who is telling him how to come up with the Gang of 8 stuff?

    •  I don't care who (2+ / 0-)
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      pasadena beggar, koNko

      'Why' is a bigger question in my mind.  It's clear that the 'Gang of Eight' didn't tell him that.  Clearly he would know this.  

      So why would he say so?  What does he have to gain?  Does he think they won't talk about it because it was a highly secretive meeting, or maybe that is their shiny object to hit back and distract. Look the democratic leaders are revealing secrets from highly classified meetings.  Be afraid!

      Hopefully the senators are wondering the same thing.  Where is he going with this?

      Why won't you give the glasses-wearing security kittens a chance to work?

      by bawbie on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 05:57:32 AM PDT

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      •  The story doesn't have to make sense. (2+ / 0-)
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        pasadena beggar, koNko

        Just any story will do. Gonzo's task was merely to go before the committee, tell them nothing worthwhile and then forget about it. The lies he chose don't matter because the administration knows (at least up to now) no one will hold them accountable for ANYTHING. They have so corrupted the process that they are very sure they can derail any attempt to enforce the rule of law.

        Remember, whether or not the public acknowledges the Unitary Exec, the Bushies believe it exists and behave accordingly.

        "She was very young,he thought,...she did not understand that to push an inconvenient person over a cliff solves nothing." -1984

        by aggressiveprogressive on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 06:09:38 AM PDT

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        •  This story is too fantastic (2+ / 0-)

          to be just another lie.  If he just wanted to hide, he'd have gone into his 'I don't recall' routine he's done on meeting more recent than this one.  Yet he recalled every detail of the meeting in the situation room, including who "ordered" him to go to the hospital.

          I really think they are setting up a defense/counterattack.  We (the Dems in congress) shouldn't be taken by surprise when it comes...in September.

          Remember, a very unwise man once said "you don't roll out a new product in august".   I think that probably applies to both sides in this situation.  We are in a building phase until September.  Nothing big is going to happen before then.  

          Why won't you give the glasses-wearing security kittens a chance to work?

          by bawbie on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 06:14:40 AM PDT

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        •  And are getting away with it. (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          pasadena beggar

          So, Congress, had enough shit thrown in your faces yet?

          "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein

          by koNko on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 09:55:19 AM PDT

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    •  My consultant has a first name (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      pasadena beggar

      It's DICK

    •  He has "Protection" (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      pasadena beggar

      So, he will follow the script.

      "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein

      by koNko on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 09:53:35 AM PDT

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  •  We are going down a bad path here. Something must (8+ / 0-)

    be done immediately.

    If the Attorney General of the United States can't acknowledge that his job is to uphold the Constitution, that should be just cause for impeachment right there! No further questions, bring on the vote.

    Check out my new blog, dedicated to electing our boys in blue: An Enduring Democratic Majority

    by Skulnick on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 05:54:03 AM PDT

  •  duh (10+ / 0-)

    There is no remedy but impeachment, and no time like the present.

    Either impeach--or go on vacation.  Dems look feeble when they discover misdeeds and then are incapable of punishment.  The weak teacher syndrome-- the unruly get worse when exposed, not better.

  •  Very Dangerous (5+ / 0-)

    not to act at this time. Where's the outrage from the Republican Senators, aside from Specter?

    Canada - where a pack of smokes is ten bucks and a heart transplant is free.

    by dpc on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 05:55:50 AM PDT

    •  Where's the outrage, indeed. (3+ / 0-)
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      And Specter's "outrage" will always be short-lived. He stomps his feet, then gets a call from Rove or Bush, and turns into a pussycat. The rest of the GOP is expecting that their constituents are all watching FoxNews, which gives them pap. With FoxNews on the watch, the GOP expects to climb to surreal respectability.

      But about Gonzales: has anyone looked into his schooling? Does he actually have a real law degree? I know that he has virtually no prosecutorial experience, but I wonder about something else. His testimony is consistent with the statement that he knows virtually nothing about law. Listen to his answers. Perhaps he cannot cite statutes, case law, or use rational arguments to make his case before Congress because he was never trained!!

      Has anyone talked with his professors? Did he actually go to classes when at law school? I have this suspicion that he hired someone to take his bar exam.

      Gonzales shows that his only talent is as a bullshit artist, and a bad one at that, because he's a one trick pony. He hasn't the ability to fool anyone because he can't fake expertise with the law. And I think that he can't do this because he has no knowledge base.

      •  Contempt, Outrage, and more (2+ / 0-)
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        And Specter's "outrage" will always be short-lived. He stomps his feet, then gets a call from Rove or Bush, and turns into a pussycat. The rest of the GOP is expecting that their constituents are all watching FoxNews, which gives them pap. With FoxNews on the watch, the GOP expects to climb to surreal respectability.

        Yeah, those folks at FoxSpews are certainly "fair and balanced" with their Republicans.  Especially now that Specter is a Democrat.

        "People should not be afraid of their government; governments should be afraid of their people." --V

        by MikeTheLiberal on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 06:38:26 AM PDT

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    •  They're complicent if they don't act. nt (0+ / 0-)

      "Our past patriots are spinning in their graves. Did they all die for this tyranny?" Change Course. Change Captains. Change crews. But save the ship!

      by ImpeachKingBushII on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 08:07:14 AM PDT

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  •  Is a trap being set? What's the gambit? (4+ / 0-)

    Gonzales took the opportunity yesterday to force the Senate to take action against him.

    Why?

    Why does bushco want him indicted or impeached for manifest contempt?  It has been suggested that they think they can win, but that seems far-fetched to me - it was too too blatant. Something else is going on here ...

    Can the Senate avoid responding? Are there moves available to them that Rove has not considered? Is there a lateral move possible?

    This is fun!

    You kids behave or I'm turning this universe around RIGHT NOW! - god

    by Clem Yeobright on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 05:56:23 AM PDT

    •  Because they want us to impeach him (5+ / 0-)
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      Sparhawk, dss, Clem Yeobright, koNko, tshaw1

      impeachment blows our wad, and focuses on his perjury, reather than
      Bush ordering Gonzo to hospital
      Rove making firing list.
      Cheney oredering warrantless wiretapping.

      Impeaching gonzo will pardon the real culprits, because we will win in getting rid of gonzo.

      There will be no wind to sustain further inquiry.
      press and repubs will say- "lets move on now"

      •  I can't believe that is true (5+ / 0-)

        I certainly hope not.

        Bush ordering Gonzo to hospital.  Yeah, this is the one I want, not because it is worse than the other crimes, but because THAT is the one that will transfix and galvanize the American public.

        Has the Judiciary Committee sent a request for information to Mrs. Ashcroft yet and, if not, WHY NOT????

      •  Agreed - gonzo is firewall #1 (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
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        His refusal to answer leads everyone down the path of assumptions & gives congress a cause for high speed pursuit.

        Bush ordering Gonzo to hospital
        Q:  who told you to go to the hospital
        gonzo:  I'm not going to answer that

        Rove making firing list.
        Q:  Who create that list
        gonzo:  I'm recused - can't answer that

        Cheney oredering (sic) warrantless wiretapping.
        Q:  what then, were the other intelligence programs
        gonzo: big secret - I'll get back to you on that if I can

        Those who stand for nothing fall for anything - Alexander Hamilton

        by BigiMac on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 06:09:06 AM PDT

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      •  All one has to do... (2+ / 0-)
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        Clem Yeobright, koNko

        Is look at the Scooter Case to know that what you say is very TRUE!!

        We're not a democracy. It's a terrible misunderstanding and a slander to the idea of democracy. In reality, we're a plutocracy, a government by the wealthy.

        by tshaw1 on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 06:49:35 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  AbuGonzo is the first domino... (0+ / 0-)

        ...in the line of dominoes. If he falls they all fall. And he knows way too much for Bush to let him fall. Since Bush can't pardon in cases of impeachment, I look for a pre-emptive or ex post facto blanket pardon of the whole crew. This idea's been circulated before. I wouldn't put it past Bush to do it. In fact, I wouldn't put anything past this war criminal cabal, to do anything at all. They never let the rule of law stand in their way thus far. And they're certainly obviously not afraid of the Big Bad Wolf (Congress).

        "Our past patriots are spinning in their graves. Did they all die for this tyranny?" Change Course. Change Captains. Change crews. But save the ship!

        by ImpeachKingBushII on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 07:57:07 AM PDT

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        •  Bush will pre-empt impeachment... (0+ / 0-)

          ...My money says he'll pre-emptively pardon them all rather than go out like that.

          "Our past patriots are spinning in their graves. Did they all die for this tyranny?" Change Course. Change Captains. Change crews. But save the ship!

          by ImpeachKingBushII on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 08:03:07 AM PDT

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      •  Right. Don't waste it on Gonzo. (0+ / 0-)

        It's like pilloring Oliver North instead of Nixon.

        1. Cheney in the dock.
        1. Bush twisting in the wind.

        Pretend you only have one shot. That's the case.

        "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein

        by koNko on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 10:02:46 AM PDT

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    •  fun, hmmmmmmmmmm (3+ / 0-)
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      It won't be fun if Leahy doesn't meet expectations for this.  I am serious as a Lohan cocaine bust, I do not want to sit here identified as a party member who is led by a bunch of wimps who are yet again under a hurricane of abuse from their own people for not doing something.

      I do not want to sit here identified as a party member who is led by a bunch of wimps who are yet again under a hurricane of abuse from their own people for not doing something.

      How hard is it, really, Patrick?  Duty leaves one alternative, pick up the knife.  Pick it up and use it, Mr. Leahy, Jesus, it's okay, you're supposed to.

      •  We need to war-game this (2+ / 0-)
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        Sparhawk, koNko

        Is Rove flailing to save a desperate situation?

        Or, does he see this as a guaranteed winner?

        He certainly has a plan for each probable Senate action; does he 'win' every path?

        So, what if Leahy and Schumer choose an improbable response? Do they have that latitude? Roveco seems to have forced the play yesterday - to what end?

        I know that Leahy and Schumer are gaming this and are way ahead of me. I'd just like to have a bit more insight into what are the paths available. This is not, of course, a 'standard game', because either side has the option of taking 2 or 3 or 4 turns before the other can react; this complicates things greatly.

        For background: I still don't believe that Bill Casey had a brain tumor, and I'm not sure when (or if) he died. It was all in the game. That's where I am coming from.

        You kids behave or I'm turning this universe around RIGHT NOW! - god

        by Clem Yeobright on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 06:23:26 AM PDT

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        •  Rove had "The Math" back in november (3+ / 0-)
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          Turns out he got punk'd.
          The entire Cabal was trumpeting the cakewalk in Iraq in May '03.

          their arrogance is their Achilles heel.

          They are wrong on this one, too.
          Rove is out of ammo - how much have we even heard from him since November?

          They've got the "privilege" figleaf. That's it. the only way that's sufficient is if they've already gone to the Supremes (roberts, Alito, thomas, scalia) and gotten preapproval for this cartoon defense.
          And that would make the Supremes impeachable, too.
          Did you ever tell a lie, then get caught in a bigger and bigger web of lies to hide the first lie? That's all that's going on here - increasing desperation.  they are necessarily bringing more appointees gang members into the conspiracy as its central lies get exposed, to shore up the fiction with a multitude of voices (the Big Lie Method 101)
          They weren't supposed to lose in '06. When they did, this chain of events became inexorable.

          conservatism - a thin veneer of morality overlaid on top of a deep-seated and primal bigotry - hunter

          by kamarvt on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 06:56:16 AM PDT

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          •  Maybe so (2+ / 0-)
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            One must recall that Nixon thought he had the perfect move and had Watergate 'resolved' when he asked Helms to cover for the burglars.

            Mistakes are made.

            I'd just like to be more confident that Rove doesn't have Crocodile Dundee's knife taped to his ankle. Probably doesn't ...

            You kids behave or I'm turning this universe around RIGHT NOW! - god

            by Clem Yeobright on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 07:07:50 AM PDT

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  •  Conyers: "Impeach? Well, don't look at me." (1+ / 0-)
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    http://www.consortiumnews.com/...

    When I raised James Madison’s role in crafting a Constitution that mentions impeachment no fewer than six times, he replied: Madison did not say Conyers has to impeach every one. Why, if I had to impeach everyone for high crimes and misdemeanors, that’s all my committee would have time to do.

    •  Well, if Mr. Conyers won't impeach everyone, (2+ / 0-)
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      then I guess he'll not impeach ANYONE.

      Now we have to get three more co-signers onto 333? Why three? And after that, what will happen? August recess, that's what. Or maybe Mr. Conyers will have to get a haircut. Woops! Can't set hearings today. I've got an appointment with the hair dresser.

      There will always be reasons NOT to set impeachment hearings, Mr. Conyers.

      Now, I know, Mr. Conyers has been held to a lower standard because he's been an active blogger. But, my God, John. DO YOUR FUCKING JOB!!

      I don't give a twit whether you're blogging daily or not, Mr. Conyers. Look at the evidence and, as an earlier poster termed it, TAKE OUT THE KNIFE!!

      Stop being the negotiator. Be the surgeon.

  •  I'm all for attempting impeachment of Gonzalez (3+ / 0-)
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    I'm also for a full-on criminal investigation into Cheney AFTER he steps down. I can see some pretty tricky structural and political problems with trying to impeach Bush and Cheney while they are still in office, but the AG should be an easy and obvious target. The issue again is party discipline and party loyalty, because to be successful in both real and political terms, some Republicans have got to be pried away from the Bush/Cheney fold. I'm sure that there are a number of Republicans who are privately disgusted with Gonzalez, and a few have come forward publicly, but until some deal or other is hatched to get them to take action, we'll all just be seething here.

    Rome wasn't built in a day. I'm willing to be patient if the Dems are actually hatching such a plan. But we'll see.

    Put the circular firing squad in the circular file.

    by JMS on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 05:58:46 AM PDT

    •  *blink blink* (2+ / 0-)
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      I can see some pretty tricky structural and political problems with trying to impeach Bush and Cheney while they are still in office

      Impeachment only happens while one holds office.  Once the offending person is gone, impeachment ceases to be a remedy.

      •  Actually not exactly true (0+ / 0-)

        See, for instance, this legal commentary discussing impeachment of an official after they have already left office.

        Obviously it does not good to remove an official who has already been removed, but impeachment+conviction has other consequences, too, such as generally barring the official from ever holding public office again.

      •  but (2+ / 0-)
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        surely there are other "remedies"? My stance (which others disagree with, obviously) is that it is pretty much impossible to remove Bush and Cheney before January 2009. But surely they should be held accountable, so is there a realistic way to do so? I'm not saying this is foolproof or definitely going to happen (our criminal justice system acquits or fails to prosecute the "guilty" and convicts and imprisons the "innocent" more often than we would like). Barring them from holding office isn't so good, since they weren't likely to try to hold any more offices, but some sort of criminal conviction for SOMEBODY (beyond Scooter Libby) would at least vindicate the idea that the disasters of the administration go beyond poor policy decisions and incompetent implementation.

        Put the circular firing squad in the circular file.

        by JMS on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 07:49:33 AM PDT

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  •  Daschle! Call him a liar! (2+ / 0-)
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    koNko, ImpeachKingBushII

    For the love of Christ, demonstrate beyond all doubt to the people of the United States you possess testicles!

  •  Clarification of disparate elements (2+ / 0-)
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    Gonzo is a lying motherfucker.

    What need is there to discuss this any further?

    At the very least he should simply be fired on the spot.

    How quickly can impeachment proceedings begin?

    Today?

    What's the hold up?

  •  Could someone answer a question for me? (3+ / 0-)
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    Fabian, koNko, MyBrainWorks

    Does congress have the power to assign a special prosecutor?  Would the very man under investigation have the power to withhold a prosecutor?  If so that means that impeaching him is the only recourse that congress has.

    If that is the case could they simply examine the lies and distortions before congress and come up with their case and be done with it?  They should be able to impeach based on only the records of the testimony and require nothing that would be deemed "executive privlege".  Am I thinking this out correctly?

    I don't think therefore I am not.

    by FXDCI on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 06:03:09 AM PDT

  •  Any new organized efforts to contact congress? (1+ / 0-)
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    MyBrainWorks

    This yesterday would seem to seal his fate. Is there any new effort 2day to have all of us contact congress or a certain committee to demand impeachment? Thanks !
    Is there any easy 2 use website e-mail service to congress that I could use to send all my Reps using my zipcode? I've used those before.

    Progressives - stay UNDECIDED on 2008 -4.63 -7.54

    by AustinSF on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 06:05:45 AM PDT

    •  Later today (4+ / 0-)
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      Fabian, koNko, MyBrainWorks, Deep Harm

      If no one has pointed out a nice site for doing so, I'll post a "call your congressman" diary for this and see if we can't get some calls into every district.

    •  There is always plain old (2+ / 0-)
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      Fabian, koNko

      house.gov. You can select congressmembers and committees from drop-down boxes at the top, and find your member by zipcode if you don't already know.

      •  Rep Tiberi (R-OH) (2+ / 0-)
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        I listened to the entire Senate Judiciary Hearing yesterday.  There is no reason to allow Alberto Gonzales to remain as the Attorney General.  He should be, he must be impeached so that the Department of Justice may be redeemed.

        Please contact John Conyers, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and tell him you would like to see Articles of Impeachment drawn up on Alberto Gonzales and voted on as soon as possible.  If the President will not ask for his resignation and if the Attorney General refuses to resign, then Impeachment is a fair, just and necessary remedy.

        As for reasons for Impeachment, I favor perjury.  There is no Justice in this nation if the head of the DOJ can perjure himself in sworn testimony and not be held legally accountable.

        Who watches the watchmen?

        Thank you,
        I expect you prompt and immediate attention to this matter of national importance.

        It's hard for me not to use flaming rhetoric and cuss words so I end up getting all stiff and formal instead.  I don't know if they think this is any better than screaming "THROW THE LYING SUMBITCH OUT OF MY GOVERNMENT!"

        No more lies - IMPEACH!

        by Fabian on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 06:59:46 AM PDT

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  •  Actionable (2+ / 0-)
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    Spector said it, and there is no other descriptor that matters--unless, of course, you add incredible, conteptouus, mendatious, lying, . . .

    String him up, and do it now.

  •  To the Bush/Cheney administration (0+ / 0-)

    A few words of wisdom from one of the founders.

    "He that lies down with dogs, shall rise up with fleas." - Benjamin Franklin

    After Gonzales's recent testimony, many in this administration must looking for flea collars.

    Among a people generally corrupt, liberty cannot long exist. - Edmund Burke

    by Deep Harm on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 06:07:25 AM PDT

  •  Gonzo is there (4+ / 0-)
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    being exactly what the administration wants, an unacceptable affront upon Congress. He is being waved in front of them as an object lesson in "That Which Must Be Removed". With Specter seemingly the only Republican without a studded choke-chain wrapped around his gonads, he is being shown as a "Nyaah Nyaah, if you can't impeach this sonofabitch after he comes in there, lies to your faces, and tells you to go pound sand up your asses in no uncertain terms, what the fuck do you think you're going to with the two big boys? Huh?"

    Sadly, they may be right.

    I had seriously hoped that by this point the Republicans would have seen the coming destruction of their party should they let this run its course. I'm not generally known for erring on the side of optimism. It seems that the GOP still has the voodoo dolls full of pins keeping their Congresscritters in line. It really does make me wonder, just what do they have on these guys that makes them willing to follow them all the way down the gopher hole even though they're bumping up against the hose the whole way down.

    As I've said before, if we can't impeach this prick, something truly and irreversibly horrible has happened to this country.

    Damn these people. Damn them to whatever hell there may be, and until then, imprison them.

    •  Terrific analysis, justme (1+ / 0-)
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      koNko

      You're absolutely right. The Bushies are dangling Gonzales in front of all of us. They want a nibble, they want a chomp and a big gulp, but what they don't want is for Conyers to look past Gonzo and go for the mob bosses.

      Gonzo is a cheap trick. He's Mr. Bait and Switch. He's there to confuse, and it's working.

      The Dems are in a deep, sound trance. Gonzo is the line in the dirt, and the Dems are the chicken.

    •  Don't Loose That Passion (0+ / 0-)

      It's going to be a long fight.

      Stay sharp & stay angry.

      As Mrs. koNko says, "I feel like I've got boiling ice water in my veins".

      She has a way with words. And 3 inch heels. Guess I'll keep her.

      "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein

      by koNko on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 10:18:12 AM PDT

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  •  As an Owner of this country... (3+ / 0-)
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    I insist that the following people be removed from the management of MY country's government:

    Alberto Gonzales
    Karl Rove
    Condoleezza Rice
    Richard B. Cheney
    George W. Bush

    In addition to the above list of criminals, any and all who support or are in collusion with them must also GO!!

    It's simple you are either part of the Solution or part of the Problem... all these disgraceful, lying, thieving, NeoCon, Misfits are together a huge PROBLEM!  

    We're not a democracy. It's a terrible misunderstanding and a slander to the idea of democracy. In reality, we're a plutocracy, a government by the wealthy.

    by tshaw1 on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 06:12:19 AM PDT

  •  Probably Lieberman (0+ / 0-)

    Joe probably said it was a good idea and that counted as a Democrat.

    AG needs to name the names. He won't of course.

    Gore '08 , he won it once, he can win it again!!!

    by BarnBabe on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 06:14:39 AM PDT

  •  This is a no brainer. (1+ / 0-)
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    lysias

    Abu Gonzales should be facing impeachment proceedings ASAP.
    I have the distinct feeling that Abu is the weak link in this chain.
    We may have finally found our canary.

  •  Here's what I don't get (7+ / 0-)

    If they ask him a question and he flat refuses to answer, no 'I don't recall' or 'that's privileged', but I'm not going to answer that, why isn't there an immediate vote on contempt of congress?

    if he did that in a court room the judge would immediately hold him in contempt, why don't the senators?

    (see TPM for Josh's thoughts on the same matter)

    Why won't you give the glasses-wearing security kittens a chance to work?

    by bawbie on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 06:24:01 AM PDT

  •  Remember when Terry Schaivo was win-win (0+ / 0-)

    for Rs, and recall that Rove seemed genuinely to believe he had the math last fall.

    People miscalculate.  That's why they equivocate.

    But Gonzo's contempt yesterday was blatant. "I'll take your question back and see if I can answer it" is utter contempt of Congress, and he always had the 'out' of "I'd rather discuss this in a classified setting ..." which demands some level of respect.

    What is Rove up to?

    You kids behave or I'm turning this universe around RIGHT NOW! - god

    by Clem Yeobright on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 06:34:29 AM PDT

  •  What must it be like (1+ / 0-)
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    to be someone from another country that for their entire life has looked at America with hope.  Hope that one day they can come here or that their government might take on even a small fraction of our qualities.  And then now to look at what we have become as a nation.  Imagine the people with so little hope, their only hope in some dream of dreams to capture a little bit of what we have.  Imagine how hopeless it must be now.  We still have some ability to laugh at these jokers, they are long past laughing.  The candidates need to be specific on how they plan on cleaning up this mess.  I want to know they have a real plan to seek out every nook and cranny that this administration has stuffed their crap and clean it out AND make sure that many of the tools this nutjob has used are made unavailable not just to future administrations, but their own (that part is the real test of leadership, to give up false powers).

    I'm a Second Amendment Liberal...and anyone that isn't has a pre-Bush mentality. It can happen here.

    by jrflorida on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 06:36:22 AM PDT

    •  When I Lived In The USA (0+ / 0-)

      I learned a lot about Democracy I took home to China.

      Now I watch these events from afar and learn other lessons in Democracy.

      I hope to see a historically wise choice. Hope doesn't die easy as long as people persue justice.

      "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein

      by koNko on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 10:25:48 AM PDT

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  •  Over the Top (1+ / 0-)
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    koNko

    You know that Bush and Gonzales are going to try to "whether the storm." They're going to keep blocking and obstructing every attempt to find the truth.

    Their corruption of the DOJ is so encompassing in it's rottenness that Congress doesn't know how to deal with it.

    Stop playing along. Refuse to cooperate on anything until AGAG is gone. Time's up. No more nice, polite hearings for Bushco. They deserve only jeers, sneers and raspberries.

  •  Will Congress move to impeach Gonzales? n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  I don't know what you guys/gals do... (3+ / 0-)
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    lysias, ImpeachKingBushII, Deep Harm

    ...for a living, but would any of us anywhere get away with the kind of crap Gonzales is serving in any professional situation?

    I mean, really.

    We would get fired, lose the account, get kicked out by the client, whatever.

    No one would ever put up with that shit. Anywhere.

    I think impeaching Gonzales is the NICEST thing one should do to him.

    OVER HERE: AN AMERICAN EXPAT IN THE SOUTH OF FRANCE, is now available on Amazon US

    by Lupin on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 06:41:37 AM PDT

  •  Double Cheney role? (0+ / 0-)

    Maybe Gonzales really wasn't at that meeting with the Gang of Eight.  I don't think he ever said yesterday that he was.  It's been reported that Cheney does a lot of the briefing of people in Congress on intelligence matters.  Maybe Cheney was at that meeting, and later reported -- or misreported -- on its results at the White House meeting before Gonzales and Card went to the hospital.

    That would be consistent with Cheney being the one at the White House meeting who asked -- or ordered -- Gonzales and Card to go to the hospital.  Which would explain Gonzo's refusal to testify on who told him to go.

    Maybe Cheney flat out lied about the Gang of Eight approving a continuation of the controversial program.  Or maybe he took agreement by the four Republicans -- or by the four Republicans plus Harman -- to constitute a consensus of the Gang of Eight.

    Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

    by lysias on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 06:56:52 AM PDT

    •  Why do I know in my guts he WAS there?... (0+ / 0-)

      ...As Bush's personal lawyer and law group, they wouldn't let him miss that meeting, even if they had to personally power point it and video feed it to him in his own hospital bed. They know that they must stand hand in hand against Congress and the people, by every dastardly means at their disposal. Impeachment is no longer an option. If one falls they all fall. AbuGonzo must fall. At this point, it's either them or us--now.

      "Our past patriots are spinning in their graves. Did they all die for this tyranny?" Change Course. Change Captains. Change crews. But save the ship!

      by ImpeachKingBushII on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 07:43:40 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Impeachment (1+ / 0-)
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    Fabian

    All things considered I am just one of those people prepared to accept that impeaching Bush is one of those things that sadly may not happen. But surely there is no reason not to get rid of this utterly appalling figure. There really is no reason now to wait another day. He cannot even bother to try to do anything positive, useful, or even clever.  

    We have only just begun and none too soon.

    by global citizen on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 06:57:44 AM PDT

  •  During Gonzales 'testimony' yesterday, (2+ / 0-)
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    I heard this question, and immediately thought of what he should have answered, if for once he were telling the truth...  had to share this with somebody.

    Sen. Specter: "How can you get approval for anything when Ashcroft is under sedation?"

    AG 'Abu' Gonzales: "Practice, Senator, practice..."

    :>

    •  AbuGonzo's answer told me... (1+ / 0-)
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      koNko

      ...sitting in that hospital bed, even after Ashcroft relieved himself of his duties and was no longer AG, "Ashcroft couldn't quit until Bush let him quit, even if he's under sedation, as long as his lips can move and his hands can still write".

      They assumed that Ashcroft would do the King's bidding, even while incapacitated. There is no limit to their arrogance of power.

      "Our past patriots are spinning in their graves. Did they all die for this tyranny?" Change Course. Change Captains. Change crews. But save the ship!

      by ImpeachKingBushII on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 07:34:07 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Progress can be cyclical (0+ / 0-)

        There are certain conditions that have to be in place before justice is done on a wide scale.  Most of the time the leaders see to it that they are inoculated against paying a price for their wrongdoing.  It is the people at large that are penalized, and when enough of them are victims of their own ideology they will likely change.  Democrats should remember that and stay focused.

  •  If Gonzo is not impeached (0+ / 0-)

    Congress is saying: What's that Mr. Gonzales? You say you need to use the bathroom? Sorry, we just ran out of toilet paper. But here's the Constitution for you to use instead.

    "God has spoken to me." Tom DeLay

    by Red Bean on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 07:08:13 AM PDT

  •  The visit to the hospital has now become such an (0+ / 0-)

    issue that we're likely to find out a lot more about those NSA programs.

    Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

    by lysias on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 07:14:23 AM PDT

  •  "I'm not going to answer this question." ... (2+ / 0-)
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    koNko, junta0201

    ...Mr. Attorney General, here's a question even you can answer, sir:

    Should any government official who collects a public paycheck ever be held accountable to the ones who issue that public official his/her paycheck, for their stewardship of, or the lack thereof, while executing the duties of that office?

    To whom do your loyalties lie? Is it to the people and the Constitution you swore an oath to uphold, and from whom and from which your powers and responsibilities are derived--or do your loyalties lie to the POTUS, who also collects a public paycheck, and from whom and which he also swore an oath to uphold the same such Constitution? Are you above the law? Are you a servant of the law and the people or are you a servant of the President?

    That's OK. We think we already know the answers. And by your refusal to answer any questions, it speaks volumes that you have no loyalty to this Republic or the Constitution you swore to uphold. Therefore, you should resign your office immediately. And if you don't resign, in the words of Senator Jim Webb, "We will show you the way"!

    And if this Congress fails in its duties to hold such a one accountable to the rule of law, not to the rule of Mister Bush the man, then that also speaks volumes.

    "Our past patriots are spinning in their graves. Did they all die for this tyranny?" Change Course. Change Captains. Change crews. But save the ship!

    by ImpeachKingBushII on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 07:21:11 AM PDT

  •  Shaky? (0+ / 0-)

    This statement alone should be enough to prove to any observer that we have an attorney general whose interest in the truth is nonexistent.  That's a pretty shaky foundation on which to build a justice system.

    hahahahahahahah. This has to be a joke right?? For anyone who knows anything about children being tried and sentenced as adults, you will know this is a joke. Prosecutors seeking the truth? It has been nonexistent for a long time. And the foundation is about to collapse, not shaky. That is how America has ended up with over 2,000 children servicng LWoP sentences and over 2 million adults incarcerated. Again I say, ahahhahahahahahahah, thanks for the laugh.

    free the West Memphis 3

    by gingerdue on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 07:27:27 AM PDT

  •  As deplorable as Gonazles is... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...it is even more frightening to know that the federal government is stuffed to the eaves with people just like him.  Picture clones of Gonzales in charge of protecting the food supply, monitoring NSA's databases, reviewing drug applications, overseeing nuclear power plant safety, and setting environmental policies. And many of these people were hired into the career civil service, and won't be replaced in 2008. A special Congressional committee and staff are needed to review the qualifications of those hired into the positions at the GS-13 level and make recommendations for de-lousing federal agencies.

    Among a people generally corrupt, liberty cannot long exist. - Edmund Burke

    by Deep Harm on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 07:32:38 AM PDT

    •  Correction (1+ / 0-)
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      ...at the GS-13 level and above...

      Among a people generally corrupt, liberty cannot long exist. - Edmund Burke

      by Deep Harm on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 07:34:46 AM PDT

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    •  Yep, and Gonzo is impeached (1+ / 0-)
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      then these Gonzo-clones will continue exactly the same twisted policies.  Either Bush will get another Gonzo confirmed, or he'll just keep nominating Gonzo clones to muck up the system.  With no AG, Gonzo's underlings will take over his toady duties.

      Picking off single cockroaches in the kitchen will not resolve the infestation.  For every cockroach we see, there are hundreds, even thousands, of others skittering in the shadows.  We must destroy the entire colony, starting with the alpha-cockroach.  

      "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

      by Subterranean on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 11:09:57 AM PDT

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  •  It's funny when the Republicans (0+ / 0-)

    get all het up.  Democrats have known this was coming for a while, so they don't act as surprised.

    Cry "Mandate!" and let slip the hounds of accountability.

    by sagra on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 07:33:51 AM PDT

  •  Contempt for Gonzalez (0+ / 0-)

    It is a fitting testament to the shamelessness of  Gonzo that he even appears for these congressional hearings--knowing he has lied and will lie again, to be excoriated by his questioners and held up to public ridicule. Anyone of ordinary sensibility would be embarrassed by much less.    

    "The country we carry in our hearts is waiting." Bruce Springsteen

    by relehrer on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 07:58:08 AM PDT

  •  I read the first quotation (0+ / 0-)

    and I thought that they can keep having him back as many times as they want. The embarrassment is pure theater. Of course impeachment is preferable. I am scared I would have had too much fun if I had tuned in yesterday.

    -4.00, -5.33 I am reading The United States v. I. Lewis Libby by Murray Waas and Jeff. See FDL Book Salon, June 10, for more info.

    by 4jkb4ia on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 08:18:19 AM PDT

  •  Disbarment anyone? (2+ / 0-)
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    If it can be proven that Gonzales lied under oath before Congress, would this not be a disbarment offense?

  •  How did this happen jeesh (0+ / 0-)

    "We are an army at war, not a nation at war." -Maj. Gen. Mark Hertling

    by LandSurveyor on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 08:27:56 AM PDT

  •  I'd much rather watch Seinfeld........ (2+ / 0-)
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    when I need a good laugh.  Everything that comes out of this poor fellow's mouth is untrue or as Costanza might   point out, everything he says is the opposite.  Like George, we should do the opposite of whatever Bill the perv says.  

  •  I'll answer Specter's question for him (2+ / 0-)
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    "Do you think constitutional government in the United States can survive if the president has the unilateral authority to reject congressional inquiries?" Specter pressed.

    Yes, constitutional government can survive if the executive branch unilaterally rejects congressional inquires.  All that is required is that congress use it's constitutional authority to impeach the executive.  It's that simple - even a moron can figure it out.

    But I think Specter understands this.  The only question is, do he and other pantywaist congresspersons have the stones to protect our constitution?

    "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

    by Subterranean on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 09:46:24 AM PDT

  •  I have a good idea.... (0+ / 0-)

    Let's get Jon Stewart to go on TV with Gonzo and say "Stop.  Just stop.  You're hurting America."  That worked once.

  •  Liberated (0+ / 0-)

    Being @ the bottom has liberated George and Dick. They don't care what anybody thinks and probably never did. From Day 1 of this regime they have done only one thing well and thats to gather more and more power to themselves. Public opinion has meant little to them except in the months before the elections. I expect that before Jan 20th 2009 all that power they've been accumulating is going to be used. You see they're not planning on going anywhere. Come the next big "event" they're going to rip up whats left of the Constitution and simply rule by edict. Whose going to stop them? Nancy and Harry? LOL! Where fucked.

    "It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees" E. Zapata

    by Blutodog on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 07:28:25 PM PDT

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