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Tried to search to see if this had been diaried yet and if it has been, well rec that one please :)

This story just infuriated me no end. Bad enough the mine owner was a liar and tried to blame anyone or anything else for his lack of safety measures. Now, and no I am not really shocked, the mis-administration is trying to screw with them.

this is a Catch-22 from hell;

The federal agency tasked with investigating the Utah mine collapse denied a request by the families of six trapped miners that the United Mine Workers represent them in the probe of the matter, the union said Monday.

All six of the families had signed documents designating the union as their representative in the investigation, UMWA spokesman Phil Smith said. The Mine Safety and Health Administration told the union's attorneys on Monday that the agency would not heed the request.

"MSHA requires that miners sign these papers, but the miners in question were unable because the are trapped inside the mine," Smith said.

Families Of Trapped Miners Rebuffed By Mine Safety Agency

This is such a thinly veiled attempt to separate the claims hoping to low-ball as many as they can that IMHO this approaches criminal. And it needs to be placed right in dumbaya's lap to deal with. We do not need any more 'heck of a job' BS. These families are hurting and once again rethuglicans are making it worse.

Originally posted to tony the American Mutt on Tue Aug 28, 2007 at 08:08 PM PDT.

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  •  I don't like taking tips for this (19+ / 0-)

    We need to root every one of the evil bastards dumbaya has anointed...

    It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. George Orwell, "1984", first sentence

    by tony the American Mutt on Tue Aug 28, 2007 at 08:07:04 PM PDT

  •  shafting the miners (5+ / 0-)

    Bush is going to have long bad luck.

    Use Tor and PGP on the net. (google it)

    by fugue on Tue Aug 28, 2007 at 08:09:34 PM PDT

  •  Putting the fox in charge of hen house security (8+ / 0-)

    is a hallmark of BushCo.  

    Just put some executive from the industry in charge of regulating it.  Good for bidness!  Not so good for the workers or the environment.

    Everything is funny as long as it is happening to somebody else. --Will Rogers

    by groggy on Tue Aug 28, 2007 at 08:16:29 PM PDT

  •  I'm expecting that (8+ / 0-)

    the families of the three Mexican miners are going to get deported pretty soon. As far as I know, the workers were legal but I bet some of the families aren't.

  •  absolutely....................................... (4+ / 0-)

    no conscience. None. Corporate bullies cost the miners their lives and now that same cold hearted attitude is being used on the families who lost so much.

    roman catholic by birth---- thoroughly confused by life

    by alasmoses on Tue Aug 28, 2007 at 08:25:03 PM PDT

  •  it would be interesting to find out (6+ / 0-)

    exactly if the miners ever had an opportunity to sign those papers before entering the mine.  

    DAGGER 24 hour news service...your post could make news!

    by lightnessofbeing on Tue Aug 28, 2007 at 08:31:48 PM PDT

  •  Question? (3+ / 0-)

    Why would the MSHA have to approve who the families ask to represent them?

    Sheesh, haven't these people suffered enough?

  •  Is this contrary to standing policy? (1+ / 0-)
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    tony the American Mutt

    I see a number of issues here that could obviate MSHA 'flipping off' the families of the miners.

    1. What effect would the miners have in the investigation, or what effect would having the United Mine Workers representation have on the investigation? Isn't this like having a lawyer for the victim in a murder investigation? The prosecution should proceed as normal, with or without UMW representation.
    1. Whose order was it that resulted in this policy? Was it ordered by the Administrator?
    1. Is this a change in policy, or a continuation of it?

    Before there is a rush to blame MSHA (as I've indicated, my father works for MSHA) we should remember that two MSHA (or was it three?) people died in a rescue effort. At least some of my father's people put their lives on the line on-site. MSHA has a fundamental interest in seeing that a thorough investigation is conducted, it seems to me.

    The victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory.

    by Pacifist on Tue Aug 28, 2007 at 10:28:01 PM PDT

    •  Recommending, nevertheless. n/t (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      tony the American Mutt

      The victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory.

      by Pacifist on Tue Aug 28, 2007 at 10:31:03 PM PDT

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    •  It is the catch-22 issue (0+ / 0-)

      that struck me as particularly absurd. Beyond the idea of MSHA treating the UMW as the enemy and then claiming that only the dead miners could determine who represents them. Too bad they are dead but ignore the families. Sorry but if they want the union to represent them it is not up to MSHA to have a policy that let's them pick and choose who anyone's lawyer is IMHO. It was not the doing of any union that killed those men and several of those trying to rescue them. That so far looks man-made with a lot of eyes turned away from reality (gravity sucks, live it, love it, take it to vegas and marry it) and attempting to out-run a disaster waiting to happen.

      I see from down-thread that MSHA has a history of this kind of bean-counter crap (at least from the posts I saw) so it may not be a sudden change, but it sure sounds like it needs an enema, or at the very least a detailed review of it's policies to see who they actually protect.

      Please, seriously, see if your father can write some of his perspective on this and MSHA in general, I for one would be very interested on how people inside think about these things (I am sure they are not all evil Morlocks, maybe only 90% ;p ) and what he might suggest to change policy. I think this would be of interest to others too.

      It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. George Orwell, "1984", first sentence

      by tony the American Mutt on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 12:48:56 AM PDT

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      •  Much to my regret (0+ / 0-)
        He could not take it upon himself to speak for MSHA, and would likely find himself looking for work; his office would have little difficulty in inferring his identity. There are sites frequented by people previously with MSHA, however:

        http://minesafetywatch.blogspot.com/

        The victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory.

        by Pacifist on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 11:40:22 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  decent questions BTW (0+ / 0-)

      It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. George Orwell, "1984", first sentence

      by tony the American Mutt on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 12:49:39 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  From Salt Lake City (1+ / 0-)
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    tony the American Mutt

    The shit has hit the fan here in Utah over this mine disaster. Our Republican governor Huntsman, and Murray the mine owner are going at it pretty good. Murray is also attacking the Salt Lake Tribune for the negative way that they have been portraying him. Murray is a bald faced lier, I don't believe one fucking word this man says. He's still claiming that the collapse was caused by an earthquake for God's sake. The Tribune reported today that a seismologist at the University of Utah actually called the sheriff's office to report the collapse before the mining company did. The Governor announced that the state would be inspecting Murray's other two mines here in Utah and his response was to announce that he was laying off the workers in these mines and then blame the Governor for the loss of jobs. Murray says that he will continue to operate the mine even if they don't recover the miners. He claims that they were not doing retreat mining even though the mining company's own records show that they were.  

    When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross------Sinclair Lewis

    by rmonroe on Tue Aug 28, 2007 at 10:35:04 PM PDT

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