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This amazing Katrina video was captured by real life storm chasers and WeatherUnderground bloggers Mike Theiss and Jim Reed in August 2005. Mike and Jim are solely supported by their photography and writing. That work ranks among some of the finest, extreme weather reporting I’ve ever seen. It includes everything mother-nature can throw at them; water-spouts, tornadoes, lightning, you name it. You can order many of their most dramatic adventures on DVD here.

  • From my friend Coturnix on open access and the science/publishing industry:

    Visionaries immediately see where their world is going ... They immediately sell their horses ...The followers are much more timid, but they are astute enough to know that they can choose to either adapt of die. ... once they are ready, they sell their livery horses ....The fools feel threatened and, in a knee-jerk response, start buying more livery horses, expanding their stables and they get on their high horses and start yelling how cars are the tools of the Devil.

  • Why is NASA’s DSCOVR, a space-borne climate change station, suddenly condemned to sit in mothballs after 100 million tax-dollars were spent? The bloggers at DeSmogBlog pledge they will find out.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 04:48 AM PDT.

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  •  Thanks for the video clip! (1+ / 0-)
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    That was really amazing!  It reminds me a lot of watching clips from the tsunami.  The destructive power of water is often overlooked, isn't it?  Also, thanks for your coverage during Katrina two years ago.  I was hooked on those Weather Underground diaries and I remember vividly reading about hurricanes, eye walls and eye wall regeneration cycles.  The in-depth coverage here just made Bush's response all that amazing because I felt like I was watching that hurricane unfold in slow motion.

    End the Iraq occupation!

    by Unstable Isotope on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 04:58:48 AM PDT

    •  The Power of Water (1+ / 0-)
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      The Peanut Gallery

      Amazing sensation while fishing on a breakwater quay, when a 1000 tons of water (big wave) hits it at speed, loud boom and the ground shakes with the impact.
      with a good spring tide and storm conditions this goes on for several hours, loadsafun, this is why people love the sea.

      -4.75 -7.54 "OK, joke's over. Put back the Constitution!"

      by Ferrofluid on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 05:05:01 AM PDT

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      •  Oh yeah. (0+ / 0-)

        Haven't had the chance to stand out on a quay like that, but there's an outcropping of several tons of solid rock in Laguna Beach, south of Main Beach and the boardwalk but north of a little archway carved by the sea.  This rock outcropping marks a very distinct change in the way the ocean hits the shore, and it does hit at that point: the bottom drops off pretty deeply so a lot of the power of the swells comes right on in at this rock, and each wave hits it not once but twice due to the angle of the approach of each wave.  

        It's really something, to be on this rock at high tide with a strong wind blowing into your face and feeling these many, many tons of solid rock humming beneath your feet with the force and frequency of the waves.

        "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

        by The Peanut Gallery on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 06:55:25 AM PDT

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  •  Water is scary stuff and fun in moderation (0+ / 0-)

    I have fished from a Quay/carpark that had a storm surge washing over it once, every so often a wave would roll over the top and wash 50 feet across the carpark, sitting on the backs of anchored concrete benches is fun with knee high water rushing under them.
    It was our local fishing spot and we vaguely knew what would happen, but freaked out some of the the holiday daytrippers that were there.

    -4.75 -7.54 "OK, joke's over. Put back the Constitution!"

    by Ferrofluid on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 04:59:53 AM PDT

  •  That video is incredible (0+ / 0-)

    On the one hand I can't believe they lived through it... crazy fools. On the other hand, wow did they capture the power of the storm in a visceral way.  My heart is pounding just from watching it.  They sound surprisingly calm!

    •  I think they chose their hotel carefuly (1+ / 0-)
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      Maybe brick or reinforced concrete construction, solid etc.
      Trying this from some flimsy wooden building might be the last thing anybody did.

      -4.75 -7.54 "OK, joke's over. Put back the Constitution!"

      by Ferrofluid on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 05:08:35 AM PDT

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      •  Holiday Inn I Think, Probably Reinforced Concrete (0+ / 0-)

        But some of those lobby/stairwell scenes are positions where it would be very easy to be badly injured by a lurch of water 8 or 10 times their weight, throwing them into submerged stairsteps, railings, maybe a floating log or whatnot.

        We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

        by Gooserock on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 07:39:07 AM PDT

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  •  I just went to their website and ordered a copy (1+ / 0-)
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    of the Katrina footage DVD.  It seems incredible.  I know my son will love it, but I am bracing myself for what will be really frightening, I think, with all the memories to revisit.  Thanks for letting us know.

  •  NASA's cancellation of DSCOVR , (3+ / 0-)
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    especially in light of it's being 90% funded, is fishy to say the least. Climate change deniers exerting undue influence on vital science? I wouldn't be suprised.
       Thanks for the report and I'll be looking here and at DeSmogBlog for more.


    " Freedom is about authority "...Rudy Giuliani

    by jnhobbs on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 05:09:16 AM PDT

  •  thanks for keeping Triana/DCSOVR (0+ / 0-)

    front and center. I first heard about this yesterday (of course) on DKos, even though I try to keep abreast of Space Science. What a travesty! Wasting money on crap like the ISS, and arguably Pluto for that matter, when we could get unprecedented and extremey useful science from something like this. A whole-earth view from L1, cancelled??

    Shameful. I'd like to hear that prick Griffin questioned on this. Wait 'til we get a REAL President.

    Read about themissionif you haven't yet. It's spectacular.

    I came in peace, seeking only gold and slaves

    by revenant on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 05:23:31 AM PDT

    •  The answer is easy. (0+ / 0-)

      Why is NASA’s DSCOVR, an space-borne climate change station, suddenly condemned to sit in mothballs after 100 million tax-dollars were spent?

      Because reportings from this station would put the lie to the deniers of global warming and the impact of human behavior on climate change.  I'm not being cynical here - about two weeks ago an "expert" from Bush's science and technology advisory board gave an interview that was broadcast on one of the Univ. of California cable channels (UCSan Diego, I believe).  He was armed, not with scientific evidence of the worthlessness of the DSCOVR project, but reports from NASA on the cost overruns on building the station and the future costs of testing, launch and maintenance.  Above all, he stated, the Bush administration was looking for ways to reign in the federal budget.  When asked about the worth of the station to climatologists and other scientific inquiry, he always came back to the money.

      It's pretty evident that this administration cares nothing about expending great piles of money on any project that favors their world view.  Once again, the reasoning for their actions is presented as a responsible approach to cutting federal spending.

      I don't think I'm the cynical one here.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 06:49:38 AM PDT

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  •  I hate to keep plugging away (2+ / 0-)
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    coturnix, Ferrofluid

    but this is an open science thread, right?

    Marine Life Series for this week.

    I'm hoping this will eventually become a community feature. We seem to on the cusp of that, but not quite there yet.

  •  Larry Craig political cartoons! (0+ / 0-)

    I've compiled a whole bunch of political cartoons on the Larry Craig scandal from all over the country.  Check it out.  Even, you know, recommend it, if you'd like.  ;-)

  •  Beautiful video. (0+ / 0-)

    Deceptively beautiful footage, cleanly shot, of the raw fury of wind and wave.  Hats off to them as journalists, for showing what really happened as it happened; as photographers, for the quality of the video; and as professionals, because unlike SOOOOO many other videos of extreme weather they stayed cool.  The roar of a tornado/waterspout was clearly audible at one point, but at no point did their calm narrative give way to hysterical shouting.  Nicely done.  Thanks for the link, and thanks to the Today Show for bringing them on.

    "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

    by The Peanut Gallery on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 06:49:08 AM PDT

  •  Biology education in Texas (0+ / 0-)

    Shameless diary self-plug: Texas Education Threatened By Creationists

    "We can no longer live as rats. We know too much."

    by Aesahaettr on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 06:58:38 AM PDT

  •  Heavy Green Weather (0+ / 0-)

    Before Bruce Sterling settled down to steady work as a gloves-off "futurist", before he founded his late-1990s Viridian Movement ("electric green" punk environmentalism art movement), he wrote his best book, , about these storm chasers in the cyberpunk near future.

    Storm chasing is sexy. Over a decade ago, Sterling wrote an exciting book set 40 years in the future. Now that's only a quarter century away, and it could happen tomorrow. Heavy Weather is worth reading for anyone looking beyond tomorrow's headlines into next year. Though the real action is on that Viridian site, which is applied SF for surviving the reality.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 07:20:53 AM PDT

  •  Years of Sailing Small Boats on the Great Lakes (1+ / 0-)
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    exposed me to hurricane force winds in thunderstorms for a number of cumulative hours. Anyone who sails bigger offshore boats in that region, especially if they do long distance racing, will build up plenty of experience with such conditions.

    In my case I always took hurricane force winds with sails down. As you know, force varies with the square of velocity, so much beyond 50 knots or so just the bare pole and rigging of an open boat is enough to capsize it if it gets broadside unattended. Once in a parking lot, a 17 foot boat trailered on the sheltered side of a one story shed required 4 adults hanging on the rail to hold it upright through a 70 knot storm front, clocked reliably just a few yards away, with only the top half of the mast exposed to the wind.

    Most of these storms peak at 40-60 knots; 70-80 knots was usually the limit for those kinds of storms in my experience, only once or twice a season if that often, and of course that's just barely category 1 for a hurricane. Keep applying that square of velocity rule and by category 3 even spray can bruise you.

    These continental thunderstorms of course are quite brief; even the occasional tornadoes are only on you for moments. So there isn't either the time nor the depth and fetch of water to generate the tidal surges of hurricanes.

    The only thing that's worrying about the video is how close they occasionally let themselves get to masses of surging water and the debris it carries. I imagine the building they were in was a pretty safe bet overall. But we all know water has incredible power especially when it's turbulent around the nooks and crannies around and inside structures, bearing boards, automobiles and whatnot. There are a lot of ways for us ugly sacks of mostly water to be smashed pretty badly in an instant.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 07:33:52 AM PDT

  •  'Fools' aren't always foolish (0+ / 0-)

    The fools feel threatened and, in a knee-jerk response, start buying more livery horses, expanding their stables and they get on their high horses and start yelling how cars are the tools of the Devil.

    Well, in this case the 'fools' were right!

  •  Thank you... (0+ / 0-)

    ...for the shout-out about PRISM.  This was also a great example of the power of the blogosphere - discovering additional dirty details and completely destroying the reputation of this astroturf lobby within two days.

    "Knowledge is Power"! Visit me at my blog

    by coturnix on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 08:01:21 AM PDT

  •  I got some flu vaccine! (1+ / 0-)
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    Last year everybody was worried, because nobody trusted that the troubles we had in 2004 were ironed out.  This year, I got a preliminary shipment of about one eighth of my total order, that arrived Thursday August 30.  Thank goodness they're finally doing things right.

    We gave several shots at my office on Thursday.  Why so early?  I'm convinced it's better to give flu shots early than take any chance the patient might miss them.  Some of my patients come in for routine office visits only every other month -- a few less often than that.  If somebody misses the shot for some reason on their September visit, and then misses their November visit because they couldn't get a ride, I might not see them until January.  (There are a number of reasons someone might miss the shot even if they come in for an autumn visit.  If a patient has a juicy cold when she comes in, you can still give the shot, but you might add a mild reaction on top of a yucky virus.  The patient might blame everything on the flu shot, even if that requires forgetting the time sequence, and we won't be able to talk them into their 2008 flu shot.)

    I'm convinced that an early flu shot, that might wear down by February, is still very likely to do the most important thing: keeping the patient from getting a life-threatening pneumonia.  Immune systems work that way.  If you've ever been immunized against something, even long ago, if you catch that disease your immune system has a 'memory' response that's bigger and much faster than the original response.  That means 'word down' immunity may not stop you from getting the flu, but it will likely stop you from dying of it.

    We're going to use our first small shipment of flu shots just on high risk patients.  As soon as the rest of the order comes in, we'll go after just about everybody.  I think just about everybody with an arm should get one, and if you don't have arms we'll find someplace else on your body to inject it.  The capper for me was probably the least important reason: if you get full-blown flu, your chance of a myocardial infarction (a 'heart attack') goes up by 25-30% for about three months after you've recovered.  That's sort of like aging your heart an extra month.  That's not a huge extra risk -- heck, you run that risk once a month, by definition -- but do you want it?  

    One more 2007-specific reason:  Australia is just finishing winter.  They had a rather nasty flu season.  That suggests that we're in for the same.  

    We're all pretty crazy some way or other; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is just a setting on the dryer.

    by david78209 on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 10:05:18 AM PDT

  •  Eric Dezenhall looks like Dr. Evil (0+ / 0-)

    Eric Dezenhall,the bullshit artist that this publishing industry alliance hired to lobby Congress, has an uncanny resemblance to Dr. Evil.

  •  I am a big fan of DarkSyde, but... (1+ / 0-)
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    Cars ARE the tools of the devil.
    They spew out NOXious pollutants as well as greenhouse gases, and induce the paving over of the landscape and class-segregating sprawl.

    Their grossest impact is the impact of metal on flesh.  
    They kill some 40,000 Americans a year, and injure millions.

    I just added to the statistics - I was knocked over by a car a week ago hurrying across the street to catch a bus.  Transit service here is skeletal, that bus runs every half hour.

    I ended up with a bad sprain, 2 trips to the ER and one to the orthopedist, and a lot of lost work time.

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