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Tom Harkin yesterday:

HARKIN: I’ll just close, Mr. President, by noting that in August, seven soldiers published an op-ed in the New York Times criticizing the current strategy in Iraq. Tragically, two of those soldiers were subsequently killed in action, making the ultimate sacrifice for their country.

I can only assume by Mr. Limbaugh’s definition that they too were “phony soldiers.” Now what’s most despicable is that Mr. Limbaugh says these provocative things to make more money. So he castigates our soldiers, this makes more news, more people tune in, he makes more money.

Well, I don’t know. Maybe he was just high on his drugs again. I don’t know whether he was or not. If so, he ought to let us know. But that shouldn’t be an excuse.

Reid also slammed Rush while introducing his "sternly worded letter".

Meanwhile, Rush and Fox News' John Gibson tried to cover up his fuck up by distributing selectively edited audio clips of the moment in question. All the while, his hypocritical allies in Congress introduced a resolution praising Rush for, well, attacking soldiers with differing political views.

Time for another sternly worded letter!

Over on the House, future Colorado Senator Mark Udall has decided talk and sternly worded letters are cheap, and it was time to truly put Republicans on the spot:

Madam Speaker, it is not my intention to advance a partisan message with this resolution. Nor is it my intention that Congress waste time and effort in exposing partisan hypocrisy, however tempting that goal may be.

It is my intention, however, to make clear to the men and women serving in uniform, many of whom are risking their lives on foreign soil to defend our civil liberties, that it is not acceptable for anyone to accuse them of being "phony" or false patriots because their political views may differ from those of their commander-in-chief.

Of course this is about partisan hypocrisy. But that's okay.

The issue here isn't that Rush shouldn't be able to criticize our soldiers. He should be able to. It's a free country. But it's a two-way street, and Republicans shouldn't get a pass while they seek to chill the speech of their political opponents. This measure, hopefully, will put an end to this new ridiculous GOP tactic of making Congress the arbiter of what is acceptable speech and what is not.

If Republicans want to go on Fox News and pull this "phony" shit, well, it's a free country. But the floor of Congress isn't the place for it, and unless Democrats hit back, Republicans will keep doing it again and again and again.

Pelosi should make sure this comes to a vote. Every congressperson who voted for the MoveOn resolution should vote for this one. Those who voted against it should again vote against it. Anything less, and we'll know who cast their votes to score cheap political points.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 09:42 AM PDT.

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  •  I weep for America. (18+ / 0-)

    All of these exchanges of posturing, tit-for-tat bullshit while Rome burns.

    "Oh, TV. Is there anything you can't do?" -- Homer Simpson

    by Melody Townsel on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 09:37:24 AM PDT

    •  Total waste of time (10+ / 0-)

      floor time is devoted to discussing Rush limbutt?

      Nevermind dead people all over the world. Well at least we know our priority.

      Use Tor and PGP on the net. (google it)

      by fugue on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 09:39:46 AM PDT

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      •  It's like giving bin Laden a podium... (1+ / 0-)
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        Melody Townsel

        here you have a fringe lunatic that is now a global player...by elevating him and his rhetoric, you give him validity and a wider audience.  It is pathetic.  Imagine if the local City Council met to discuss the guy on the street with his cardboard sign reading, "The End is Neer," and passing resolutions, inviting him to public cable access and elevating him to the front page of the local newspaper...seriously, WTF?

        The MSM is propaganda.

        by mmuskratt on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 09:53:57 AM PDT

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        •  Lefty bloggers (1+ / 0-)
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          Think People THINK

          I for one also think, lefty blogger ought to quit whining and insisting congress act on wingnut wacko just to even thing out.

          It was cute first time around. But now it start to affect the efficiency of congress.  Congress critter actually look for this sort of action to kiss some asses.

          So all lefty bloggers: wanna get even with Limbutt. Time for new trick.  Come on... somebody must have better idea how to bring down limbutt and friend rather than whining to congress.

          Use Tor and PGP on the net. (google it)

          by fugue on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 09:56:44 AM PDT

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          •  Petition to have his pile-swollen ass removed (1+ / 0-)
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            capelza

            from Armed Forces Radio.  

            The Dems control Congress, I thought.  Lefty bloggers could easily get enough signatures to pull his sorry ass from our airwaves.  Let FOX, or whoever, pay the bill for his failing radio show, but we shouldn't be foisting this loser onto the troops.

            The MSM is propaganda.

            by mmuskratt on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 10:00:28 AM PDT

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            •  R U Kidding Me? (1+ / 1-)
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              Think People THINK
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              MahFellaMerkins

              ...pull his sorry ass from our airwaves....?

              So free speech only means that the people you agree with get to express themselves?

              As a Soldier who has served 26 yrs and still going, I wasn't offended by Limbaugh - but that wouldn't matter to you people, you only hear what you want and think anything else is a lie.

              Try wrapping your pointy little heads around reality for once.

              •  Putting kidding aside (1+ / 0-)
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                Think People THINK

                We have seen the problems...well I have, of having a totally partisan media that talks to the military.  I served in the build up to the occupation of Iraq.  I did not know there was an opposition to the war until I got back to the US.  We also got few of the 'facts' that were being questioned.  We already know that our media are corporately skewed...well the military has it worse, not only are the corporate interests there, also there is a right-wing agenda.  If you deny this, you must not have actually watched or listened to AF Radio and TV.  

                I say we have no room for someone like Limbaugh to talk to our troops who denigrates the service of those whom he disagrees with, and tries to convince our military that we liberals don't support them in their endeavor.  

                It is great to have both sides of an argument, but Limbaugh does nothing but a disservice to everyone with his hate-filled rhetoric and a gross over-simplification of all things political.

                It shouldn't have been this that brought to light the fact that Limbaugh gets a direct line to our troops.  He should never have gotten that opportunity, given his overt political agenda!  

              •  Totally agree (1+ / 0-)
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                Think People THINK

                Service men and women are supporting the anti-war presidential candidates by a 72% to 28% margin in contributions, and Rush is only helping to fuel their anger against der fuhrer as the White House spokesman of choice. Well done, Rush (applause applause).

                When the trout are lost, smash the state.

                by frankzappatista on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 11:55:35 AM PDT

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      •  It Appears that Even Under Democratic Control... (1+ / 0-)
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        Think People THINK

        congress has nothing better to do.

        What the heck, they've already made it clear that they will do nothing to end the occupation of Iraq or defend the constitution. At this point, debating resolutions about Rush is probably a better use of their time than actually making anything else worse.

        This is CLASS WAR, and the other side is winning.

        by Mr X on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 10:30:14 AM PDT

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    •  While it may feel good to (1+ / 0-)
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      Think People THINK

      get back at the Repubs with an anti-Rush resolution, it really is a waste of time which could be better spent working on legislation that might actually help some people. I think the media coverage is doing a pretty good job of pointing out what a creep Rush is.

      "You can dream the American Dream, but you sleep with the lights on and wake up with a scream" - Warren Zevon

      by thursdays child on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 10:42:38 AM PDT

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  •  Totally Agree (14+ / 0-)

    It needs to be brought to a vote -- and those who voted to not "slander" the name of someone in the Armed Forces should find it easy to vote the same way this time around.

    ENOUGH of the sternly worded letters -- I support standing up and fighting back.

  •  Sorry, what a waste of time. (10+ / 0-)

    The floors of congress are not the place for this discussion. Anything to avoid the real issues there? God Damn It People! I am pissed this even has a place here for discussion. On to more important things like stopping this endless war for greed and oil. On to finding a solution for the 40+ million people suffering without healthcare in the country.

    Frodo failed....Bush has got the ring!

    by Alohaleezy on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 09:38:35 AM PDT

  •  Bravo for the the Udall brothers, of Colorado (7+ / 0-)

    and New Mexico..for (almost) always being courageously on OUR side!

  •  Fuck Rush (6+ / 0-)

    He will always be a flaccid drugged out dick ...

    End this FUCKING War!

    Hillary is the only Democrat that can lose all 50 states - author, Philip Roth

    by Kdoug on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 09:39:47 AM PDT

  •  We only allow bills that the Minority Party (7+ / 0-)

    wants to vote for.

    MoveOn telling the truth about the whitewash report is a slap in the face to all our troops, but actually calling most of our trooops phony--that's understandable.

    I would LOVE to see the GOP tap dance around this issue of why they won't support this bill.  It would also deny them their talking point (ONLY talking point) on why they can't change course in the war--(so far, it's been "I am against troop rest, body armor, and va benefits--but I support the troops because I attack newspaper ads")

    The Democrat can always just bring up why they didn't vote condemning Rush, and that would end this nonsense.

    TOO bad Pelosi won't let this thing come up for a vote.

    The Seminole Democrat
    A blue voice calling from the deep red

    by SemDem on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 09:39:53 AM PDT

  •  Karma's a bitch. (4+ / 0-)
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    capelza, worried dem, LynneK, dragoneyes

    I mean, it's "unacceptable" to fart in public.  People do it anyway.  None of this really means anything, but if the Republicans insist on shoving this shit down the Democrats' throats, they should respond in kind.  Hell yes!  Especially since it didn't take but a few days for a right-wing example of just the same sort of thing to present itself.  If we have to STFU, so do they.

  •  Would you look at that, our babies have a brand (1+ / 0-)
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    LynneK

    new spine!

    Nothing can destroy a government more quickly than its failure to observe its own laws, or worse, its disregard of the charter of its own existence.

    by zdefender on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 09:40:51 AM PDT

  •  Yes, vote on this one (18+ / 0-)

    then put forth a bipartisan resolution asserting that it is the sense of Congress that that august body should not set itself in the business of condemning or endorsing political speech from the media, as it is insulting to the spirit of the First Amendment.
    ENOUGH of this shit.

  •  Understand the sentiments here, (1+ / 0-)
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    dragoneyes

      Unfortunately i know a few 26%ers who still believe Bush/Rushbag/ scum talk.  But more and more Americans are paying attention to the dis-connect, i believe.  And brave soldiers like the NY Times soldiers are telling the truth.  In Upstate New York, there is more and more of ashift from Republican to Independant and that should bode well for our future as a Nation, i hope.

  •  This equates Limbaugh with Moveon (3+ / 0-)
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    Which may well be the case.  

    It's a reminder that juvenile name calling is often counter production.  For all sides.

  •  Way to go, Congressman Udall! (2+ / 0-)
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    LynneK, Justanothernyer

    It is long past time to make these bastards squirm!

  •  it is unfortunate (2+ / 0-)
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    LynneK, Justanothernyer

    but in order to end our involvement in this war, the dems are going to have to play these stupid political games.  And believe me, these games are only going to get worse before it will get better.

    "The Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself" - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

    by djbender on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 09:43:20 AM PDT

    •  But they always (3+ / 0-)
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      cps4706, Hannibal, djbender

      play the Republican's game. They don't set the tone. They don't choose the game. They are always on the defensive instead of the offensive. When are they going to stop this shit? Time to reregister now since I moved. Time I become an Independent. This is high school shit of the worst kind and Rove is laughing his ass off.

      Frodo failed....Bush has got the ring!

      by Alohaleezy on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 09:57:26 AM PDT

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      •  100% right (1+ / 0-)
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        Alohaleezy

        where are our leaders?  There has been a strong lack of leadership in America in quite some time.  Everyone seems to be ducking for political cover.  Just what are the responsibilities of our so-called leaders?  It's about time for our voices to be heard, but all I hear is crickets.  Power is of no strength, unless you are willing to use it once in a while.  Where is our FDR?

        "The Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself" - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

        by djbender on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 11:38:03 AM PDT

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  •  I'm glad that no one except the ditto-dipshits (8+ / 0-)

    are buying Limbaugh's lie of an "explanation."

    Yes.  Vote on it, and then get on to more serious business.

    IMPEACH Dick Cheney. "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." -- Abraham Lincoln

    by chumley on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 09:43:33 AM PDT

  •  All this wasted energy on a guy who never served? (3+ / 0-)
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    Alohaleezy, cps4706, Justanothernyer

    Aren't there way more important things to do... like maybe end the war?

    The most unpardonable sin in society is independence of thought. - Emma Goldman

    by emmissar on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 09:44:18 AM PDT

  •  I'd go a bit further (3+ / 0-)
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    worried dem, carver, Justanothernyer

    Every congressperson who voted for the MoveOn resolution should vote for this one. Those who voted against it should again vote against it.

    There are several reasons why someone who voted against the MoveOn resolution should vote for this:

    1. MoveOn's language was far less offensive. The ad asked the General to "not betray us." Limbaugh accuses soldiers of fakery.
    1. The Republican move deserves a response. To vote against the Udall amendment is not just rejecting silly resolutions - it is endorsing a "won't fight back" attitude.
    1. The result would be: MoveOn gets condemned, Limbuagh does not. In other words, it would set the precedent that only progressives will get condemned by the House.
  •  Free speech isn't free (2+ / 0-)
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    Alohaleezy, Hannibal

    If Republicans want to go on Fox News and pull this "phony" shit, well, it's a free country. But the floor of Congress isn't the place for it, and unless Democrats hit back, Republicans will keep doing it again and again and again.

    You damn right.  The floor of Congress is for pulling Rush's show from Armed Forces Radio...not for condemning free speech.  Turn that shit off and get to work pulling our troops out of Iraq you pathetic losers.

    Rahm Emmanuel spelled it out for us on Real Time.  The Dems aren't going to do shit until Bush is out of office.  Of course, when he claims dictatorial powers and halts the next elections, they will be left wondering where they went wrong...(I know that's hyperbole, but seriously, what are they waiting for?  It's not like the GOP is going to invite them to the weenie party <--heh heh...weenie party=GOP).</p>

    Losers.

    The MSM is propaganda.

    by mmuskratt on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 09:44:46 AM PDT

  •  I just watched (6+ / 0-)

    ...the WH press briefing and Perino was asked for Bush's reaction to Reid's comments about Limbaugh.  Perino said he hadn't heard about it.  Uh huh.

    Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

    by Barbara Morrill on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 09:44:55 AM PDT

  •  How about getting Limbaugh off Armed Forces Radio (11+ / 0-)

    Mr. Udall?

  •  somewhat related topic... (4+ / 0-)
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    Alohaleezy, capelza, moosely2006, LynneK

    Obey decides to take Bush to the mats!

    1. Establish as a goal the end of U.S. involvement in combat operations by January of 2009.
    1. Ensure that troops would have adequate time at home between deployments as outlined in the Murtha and Webb amendments.
    1. Demonstrate a determination to engage in an intensive, broad scale diplomatic offensive involving other countries in the region.

    Bang, bang, bang!

    Can we discuss the implications?  

    •  further to the above: (3+ / 0-)
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      moosely2006, LynneK, dragoneyes

      "As Chairman of the Appropriations Committee I have absolutely no intention of reporting out of Committee anytime in this session of Congress any such request that simply serves to continue the status quo.

      Does this mean he can singlehandedly hold-up the request for funding in committee?  If so, it's one of the boldest moves yet.

  •  It's already too late (1+ / 0-)
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    Alohaleezy

    The Dems helped pass the MoveOn condemnation. Anything they do now will just look weak and whiny. The Repubs have already pwned them and everyone knows it -- flogging some tit-for-tat resolution isn't going to do jack, they've already lost the momentum.

    I wish the Dems would just shut up if they're not going to be useful.

  •  to those who think this is a waste of time (14+ / 0-)

    i think the same thing was said by a majority of democratic consultants (and far too many of us in the netroots as well) responding to the Swift Boat Liars.

    while this is clearly NOT how we want the congress to use our time, the people's time, while we want to END THIS WAR and get health insurance, and get to cleaning up the corrupt cesspool that the current Publican party created,

    if we dont have the Udall resolution, if we dont question why people like Limpo are on the radio that our troops listen to on a daily basis, then we will again fall prey to the same craptastic attacks that helped to take down an honorable man from Massachusetts.

    taking a principled stand may payoff in 20 years (depending on who is writing the history books), and might make one feel "holier than thou", but it is a political loser.  stand us for yourself.  be strong.  tell the people that *it is unacceptable for a man who avoided military service due to a pimple on his posterior to question the service of America's soldiers".  Period.  End of sentence.

    it is time to stop turning the other cheek every time the Publican party spits in our face.  it's time to hit them in the (proverbial) eye.  America needs Democrats to stand up for themselves.

    The world is so cold and the rhythm is your blanket, wrap yourself up in it, if you love it then you'll thank it.

    by Ajax the Greater on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 09:46:26 AM PDT

    •  False dichotomy (0+ / 0-)

      Saying that this is a waste of Congress's time does not mean it doesn't merit rebuttal.  There alternative means of responding that don't tie up our legislative branch.  It IS a waste of their time, but can/should be taken up by bloggers, pundits, media, etc.

  •  The Problem (1+ / 0-)
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    Anything less, and we'll know who cast their votes to score cheap political points.

    The problem is that of course Republicans will change their votes to score cheap political points, that is a given. We know it, they know it, the American people know it, the pundits know it, and the wingers expect it.

    This creates a very crazy double standard, on almost any issue Republicans are immune from charges in the media that they are hypocrites because everyone naturally assumes they are. Democrats on the other hand are seen as being moral and concerned about things like hypocrisy, so they are constantly slammed by the media.

    "George W. Bush in the right man to lead us in the era of post-whatever horrible calamity he leads us into next." John Oliver

    by aprichard on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 09:46:33 AM PDT

  •  What it all comes down to (1+ / 0-)
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    Alohaleezy

    is free speech.

    Actually, what it all comes down to is respect for free speech.

    Using government proclamations, statements, censures or any other form of government-sanctioned criticism of citizens or groups expressing their opinions is completely inappropriate.

    Free speech means free speech.

    And we don't need thought-police telling us what we can discuss - or making value judgments on the patriotism or lack thereof based on political opinions.

    Too bad we can't focus on what really matters.

    Our country.    

    Grow Our Own Candidates! Gilda Reed (D) LA & possum (D) DE

    by moosely2006 on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 09:46:39 AM PDT

  •  Glad to see someone is fighting fire with fire. (6+ / 0-)

    These hate mongers thugs take kindness for weakness.

    I grew up in "the Projects" and found out that 90% of the blowhards bullies were cowards.  The minute you stood up & punched back, most of them ran away.  I'm sure that's the case with these lying crybaby thugs.

    I think it's long past time for whooooopass.  

    Next time I tell you someone from Texas should NOT be president of the United States, please pay attention. In Memory of Molly Ivins, 1944-2007

    by truebeliever on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 09:48:20 AM PDT

  •  All I can say is .. (6+ / 0-)

    .. turn about is fair play! I'm happy that Udall is doing this. I'm also happy that he is my congressman and I understand will be running for Senate next year. I'll support him all the way!

    Change the world. Ask questions.

    by AstroCook on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 09:48:39 AM PDT

  •  He'll be such a great replacement for Allard (2+ / 0-)
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  •  The democrats have shown (1+ / 0-)
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    worried dem

    that they don't care if they p*ss off their base, let's see if the same is true for the republicans.

  •  resolution (0+ / 0-)

    Well, I suspect now we will see how it is done. I posted before that if we put up our own resolution we will be in watch and learn mode. I can't wait to see what the Repubs do.

    Support Thom Hartmann and migratory song birds! Buy shade grown coffee from a sponsor.

    by OLinda on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 09:56:23 AM PDT

  •  Suh-weet! (0+ / 0-)

    Hit 'em hard!

    tragically un-hip

    -5.88, -6.82

    by Debby on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 09:57:56 AM PDT

  •  Does anyone smell something funny here? (0+ / 0-)

    Is it beyond the scope of imagination that Republicans in Congress will continue to submit such "legislation" in order to make Congress's approval rating plummet even further.

    It's abundantly clear that the GOP doesn't care at all about any kind of democratic institution (civil institution) aside from anything that keeps them in power.  I have no doubt that they would prefer to cure the disease by killing the patient (destroying peoples' opinions of Congress to later say how horrible Democrats are at legislating) and this MoveOn legislation was just another step in that direction.

    We can play along one time, and that's fine, but I don't think we can come out on the winning end if we keep taking shows at each other.  Republicans don't mind if Americans hate both Dems and Decepticons, but I would like my Dems in Congress to have a little more decency and show a little more care on the issues, on each of which we are on the correct side of the argument.  A little more spine doesn't hurt either, but these little ticky tack things are only going to annoy the electorate and depress voter turnout, which is already happening for Repukes but they would be happy to depress our turnout as well.

    Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind -- Albert Einstein

    by BasharH on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 10:00:50 AM PDT

  •  And that should be that ... No More Fucking (5+ / 0-)

    ... No More fucking meaningless resolutions.

    Udall's resolution should include a subset clause that says enough is enough.

    Kick Rush's ass and then say ... No more resolutions condeming MoveOn, Wingnuts, DK, whoever.

    Build it and we will win.

    by hegemony57 on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 10:02:53 AM PDT

  •  I thought (1+ / 0-)
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    LynneK

    The soldier in question (of Limbaugh's comments) was found guilty of pretending to be a solider when in fact, he had dropped out of B.C. and never served...thus the phony soldier comment. Well, even if he had, assuming Rush is innocent on this one, he bashes everybody else around on his show. A little taste of his own medicine is fair. (and HEY! he can't get hooked on that kind of medicine!!)

    Inter alia, audemus jura nostra defendere...

    by goofyengineer on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 10:06:16 AM PDT

  •  Support the Troops - Cut the Funds (0+ / 0-)

    Can Congress do its job?  Support the troops by cutting the funds for the war, for Blackwater, for the whole sickening spectacle of immoral actions by our government leaders and by their favorite contractors.  Get the troops home.

    Remember that the first great provocation that created Iraq's resistance movement was the trip the freelancing Blackwater mercenaries took that led to their deaths and their bodies being hung off a bridge.  To avenge the honor of these idiots thousands of real American soldiers have died and been maimed.

    Hey.  The First Amendment is for all Americans.  What the hell is the Congress doing approving or disapproving speech.  The 29 percenters don't care about hypocracy.  Nothing could lodge their heads from the anal cavaties they seem so content to occupy.  And the MSM folks are just whores;  only when their pay masters tell them to report the truth will they even try.  Otherwise it is out of their hands.

  •  Does anyone have a link to the original (0+ / 0-)

    broadcast?  Both sides are arguing that "editing" is being done. I would like to, with certainty, tell one side to fuck off.

    Sorry, but I find this very frustrating.

    •  media matters (0+ / 0-)

      has the clip. I know you asked the other day for something other than MM, but if you think they cut and pasted the clip, I don't know what to tell you.

      It's Rush's show. Look on his site and see what he says, then listen to the MM audio and make up your mind. If you want to take Rush Limbaugh's word for it rather than your lying ears, you may.

      Support Thom Hartmann and migratory song birds! Buy shade grown coffee from a sponsor.

      by OLinda on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 10:48:01 AM PDT

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      •  Unfortunately, Limbaugh has his clip and (0+ / 0-)

        Media Matters has their clip. Both are "clips". I trust no one. lol

        I would love to hear the entire segment.

        •  mm (1+ / 0-)
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          The one at media matters is several minutes long way before the "phony" comment and after it so you can get a good idea. It may be the entire segment. Have you even tried to listen to it to get an idea or see if it sounds complete? I used the term clips to mean audio.

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          by OLinda on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 11:23:44 AM PDT

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        •  mm2 (1+ / 0-)
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          Why don't you listen and see if he mentions the one soldier, mentions a name, or anything like that. Als listen to see if he says soldier singular or soldiers plural after the word "phony."

          Then you will have to decide if you think Media Matters cut out words here and there and spliced it back together. Sheesh.

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          by OLinda on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 11:30:30 AM PDT

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  •  They should vote on it (0+ / 0-)

    It is a timely response to an idiotic waste of time by the republicans. If it slows them down for 5 minutes and shows them to be the hypocrits they are then it is worth it.

    A continuance of this kind of stuff after this response, tho, will backfire on everyone, repubs and democrats alike. This should be the end of it, and the democrats should move on to somthing substantial like SCHIPS or Blackwater. Start really taking care of business. That is what will really resonate with voters.

    Today's problems are yesterday's solutions. Don Beck

    by Sherri in TX on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 10:25:15 AM PDT

  •  Rush should be able to say whatever he wants... (5+ / 0-)
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    ...and he should also be held accountable for what he says, and take the consequences for it.

    That's how free speech works.  Nobody's guaranteed "no consequences."

    Rush doesn't understand that, and never has.  He has a brat's view of "entitlement."   When the bill for his words comes due, he cries "no, out of context, that's not what I meant, blah blah blah."

    I'm glad he's not somebody I've got to defend.   If there were really a leftie version of him, or Coulter, I'd come down even harder on him for misrepresenting me.   Why Republicans want to "praise" this guy, I don't know. He's a detriment.

    "I am a comedian and poet, so anything that doesn't get a laugh ... is a poem." - Bill Hicks

    by shadetree mortician on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 10:36:32 AM PDT

    •  But he does keep... (2+ / 0-)
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      ...the 28% of the authoritarian wingers groomed and stupid.  But his horse shit shouldn't be the "headline" talk show on Armed Services Radio, all 3 hours IIRC.  It took Congress to allow 1 hour of progressive talk (Ed Schultz).

      The only shame in ignorance is taking pride in it.

      by carver on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 10:52:05 AM PDT

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  •  Ban Limbaugh from Armed Forces Radio (1+ / 0-)
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    Democrats need to get Rush Limbaugh off of Armed Forces Radio. In defending himself he has trashed the honor of all Democrats and was able to beam his slurs directly to the troops.

    Why aren't we fighting to reform the distribution of voices on Armed Forces Radio? How can we let the Republicans control that important conduit into the hearts and minds of our troops without a fight?

    Forget letters and toothless resolutions.

    We need to fire right-wing wacko Rush Limbaugh from his privileged spot on Armed Forces Radio!

  •  Has anyone noticed how Rush slammed Kerry as (3+ / 0-)
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    a "phony" warrior whose own crew says he was lying about his Vietnam "heroics"?

    On Wednesday, Rush Limbaugh made his "phony soldier" comment; criticism ensued, including John Kerry's demanding an apology on behalf of the troops; on Friday, as part of his damage control, Rush posted on his website the partial transcript of a Contessa Brewer NBC story from that morning:

    BREWER: Democratic Senator John Kerry is demanding an apology from Limbaugh, whose comments he calls "disgusting and an embarrassment."

    RUSH: That's really rich. John Kerry, whose own soldiers, his own personnel, fellow soldiers in those Swift Boats, at least many of them who said he was lying about his supposed heroics . . .

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...

    So as part of his phony-"phony soldier" defense, Rush recycles that discredited Swift-Boat nonsense about John Kerry's Vietnam service -- and even goes so far as to falsely claim Kerry's own crew branded him a phony hero ("Kerry, whose own soldiers (sic), his own personnel, fellow soldiers (sic) in those Swift Boats . . . said he was lying about his supposed heroics").

    He has no shame, even though the need is manifestly great.

  •  This Rush audio clip "phony soldiers" (1+ / 0-)
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    may have already been posted but here it is anyway

    http://clips.mediamatters.org/...

  •  It's a sad state of affairs, it's true. (2+ / 0-)
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    But given the fact that the Democrats have returned congress to a full time job, perhaps there is time to to push back on the crap that is life blood for republicans. As they have nothing to run on, they pull garbage from the sewer instead. One would think that intelligent people wouldn't buy into it. But enough do.

    I'm sure that Kerry didn't think something as stupid as the swift boat adds would amount to anything. A month later he was trying to climb out of the pile of shit that had been dumped on him.

    Democrats must learn that the only way to stop Republicans from using this tactic is to counter it each and every time, no matter how absurd. We must stop enabling them with silence.

  •  LINK: Take RUSH OFF Armed Forces RADIO!!! (1+ / 0-)
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    The Seminole Democrat
    A blue voice calling from the deep red

    by SemDem on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 11:49:55 AM PDT

  •  Rush wasn't talking about the troops in Iraq (0+ / 0-)

    He was talking about the troops generally paraded out by the Dems as so-called "proof" that the troops are opposed to the war.  He was in no way, shape or form talking about our troops fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan (regardless of whether they agree or disagree with the war).

    Did none of you even listen to that clip?  And I'm specifically talking about the one on MediaMatters.com that was linked to on this page.

    I did.  Just now.  And I didn't hear even remotely what you're talking about.

    •  Wrong,boy (0+ / 0-)

      It was YOU who wasn't listening to that fat monkey as he called some the troops he supposedly loves,phony.

      If you listened to the way he responed to one caller who said he was a republican,he was almost in tears because the caller did not agree with him.

      •  No, I listened quite intently (0+ / 0-)

        I was sincerely interested in what the whole hubbub was about.

        Your ears need the wax cleaned out.

        Hey, maybe the guy was a Republican.  But it's more likely a Democrat pretending to be Republican just to stir up controversy.  When you're hiding behind a cover (radio, telephone, internet, et al), you can say you're anything you want to.

        But how he responded to that caller is irrelevant.  That's not the issue.  The issue is about the "phony soldiers" comment, and I agree that it was COMPLETELY taken out of context.  Not just sort of out of context, but 100% out of context.

        •  I just listened to the clip at media matters (0+ / 0-)

          and Rush's comment about "phony ssoldiers" was most definately not taken out of context.

          Also, I would like to know when Rush Limbaugh was made the one who determines who is and is not a Republican? Because the caller believes that we don't need to be in Iraq, that makes him "not a Republican". He couldn't "possibly be a Republican" because he disagrees with the Almighty Rush? What arrogance!

          This guy has been needing to be taken down a peg for quite some time now, and this latest idiocy is the straw that broke the camel's back for me.

          "Truth never damages a cause that is just."~~~Mohandas K. Gandhi

          by LynneK on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 02:59:07 PM PDT

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          •  Then you should "listen" to this (0+ / 0-)

            I have two words left to say about Rush's comment.

            MacBeth

            Beauchamp

            Ring any bells?  If not, I guess we have nothing further to discuss.

            •  Sorry (0+ / 0-)

              I meant "Jess MacBeth".  I had Beauchamp on the brain for some reason.  Though he's worth pointing out as well, but for different reasons than we're discussing. :)

            •  Yes, the name rings a bell (0+ / 0-)

              and Rush brought that name up after he said that soldiers who didn't agree with the way the Commander in Chimp is handling the war were "phony" soldiers...like Jesse MacBeth. Rush equated vets and soldiers in the field with someone who was a actual fraud.

              "Truth never damages a cause that is just."~~~Mohandas K. Gandhi

              by LynneK on Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 05:49:17 PM PDT

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              •  No need for me to go on about it (0+ / 0-)

                Just reed TWoods' comment below.  Media Mutters and MorOn.org and every single Dem. spokesperson know exactly what Rush was talking about, and it had nothing to do with men and women who served proudly and admirably in our armed forces, regardless of their political affiliation or their feelings about the war.

                Only those lacking intelligence or wisdom (or both), or those with a serious axe to grind (maybe all three) would say otherwise.

        •  Still In All.... (0+ / 0-)

          That caller knocked Rush off his perch for a few moments and that was enough for him to slip up with his reference to phony soldier.

          This was delicious in two ways,Rush is a professional broadcaster and should have never let himself get tripped up like that.Second,he made the mistake of over reacting to cover his butt in the matter.

          Usually it is his opposition who react like this and it was a classic knife in the ribs,gotcha moment.

          It's great when some pious clown like him gets his comeuppance.

  •  This is a loser issue, for the Democrats (0+ / 0-)

    It's very clear that Rush was referencing a story he'd done the day before on the Jesse Macbeth-type phony soldiers. His comment has been lifted completely out of context, even by MediaMatters, in order to score a cheap hit. I don't like Rush at all, but if the left tries this tactic too many times it will surely backfire, and probably already has.

    When the Betrayus ad controversy broke out, Dems said it was a diversion from talking about the real issue of the war. If so, then what's this cheap crap?

    •  It's all about bullies. (1+ / 0-)
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      And when a bully takes a swing at you, you punch him in the nose.

      Is that punch a diversion from more important activities?  Oh yea, sure it is.

      Is that punch nonetheless necessary?

      Yup. That it is, too.

      The opportunity to take down Rush Limbaugh -- longtime icon of the christofascist republican hardliners -- is there.

      And Brandon, Brian, and VoteVets are fixin' to punch Rush Limbaugh right smack dab in the middle of his nose.  Hard.

      Just look at it as a bit of political entertainment, if you must.

      But punching out Rush Llimbaugh is a worthy job worthy of doing.

      •  These stunts do more damage than good (0+ / 0-)

        Once the facts get out, and they always do, this sort of attack just looks stupid. The 2008 election is for the Dems to lose, and unforced errors like this and Betrayus is how it will be lost.

  •  "This measure, hopefully, (2+ / 0-)
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    will put an end to this new ridiculous GOP tactic of making Congress the arbiter of what is acceptable speech and what is not."

    Nope.

    Stopping the bill against Move On might have done that,  but both these bills make the congress look like clowns.

    Kos: Bush won't cancel the next round of elections to remain in power. Me: I am not so sure.

    by dancewater on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 12:32:16 PM PDT

    •  Right (1+ / 0-)
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      pierre790

      I am for fighting back, giving as good as you get. So then I'm inclined to support a slap at Limbaugh for slapping at servicemen (servicepersons?).

      However, I agree with you that the MoveOn vote was stupidity. What I wonder is if some are thinking this Limbaugh complaint may be a way to get us back on their side.

  •  The Udall declaration is . . . (1+ / 0-)
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    . . . is going to come up for a vote, correct?

    I mean, we do have Polosi on-board to shut to bring Udall's declaration up for voting so that Republicans will not be tempted to pull their sophistries in the future?

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