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Is the Daily Kos a strictly Democratic site or is it a Progressive site? In other words; isn’t the time right for a Progressive Third Party? If so, what would the central theme of that party be? There are many issues such as Health Care and the Environment to deal with, and in the coming days I will deal with them. However, everything starts with the parents and the schools. Academics are the main thing, but we must ensure that the school environment is favorable to learning and that hard work is properly rewarded THROUGHOUT ONE'S LIFE. This rash of school shootings and the Jena 6 incident have brought up the issue of bullying. No one’s condoning violence, but I hope that no one is condoning bullying. No one can deny that it exists. If bullying isn’t stopped it will lead to truly terrible things like job discrimination. Now teaching the difference between right and wrong is often not enough because some people think being a cooperative person is "corny". Instead we must teach them the difference between just joking around and doing things that are genuinely hurtful.
Relations (the fourth R) are currently taught through sensitivity training. The purpose of sensitivity training has always been to teach that you should love and respect all good people. This is a fine method for some; but there will always be people who just won’t listen to that kind of talk. For those people we must have a back-up plan. Our back-up plan is based on a simple premise: Get inside their way of thinking and USE THEIR OWN ARGUMENTS AGAINST THEM.
Bigotry is not as simple as black and white. There are other races in between. Furthermore, racism is not the only form of bigotry. What about people who are fat, ugly, nerdy? This form of bigotry is called "looksism" and it’s just as pernicious.
Some may say that to teach these lessons is a parent’s responsibility. Well, when enough parents aren’t living up to that obligation; the government must step in. Besides; today’s children will grow up to be tomorrow’s parents and will inevitably pass these lessons on to their own children. Our back-up plan involves posting a list of sayings in all schools. The following is one possible suggestion for what those sayings might be.

  1. Nobody asked to be born. Everybody has responsibilities
  1. Don't jump to conclusions. People will react to the way you treat them.
  1. People who aren’t established are more vulnerable.
  1. Things that seem chosen may not be. An opinion is the same no matter the source.
  1. Some people want your respect and some people don't. One who seems afraid may just be bored.
  1. Job discrimination will not make someone disappear.
  1. Mistakes can matter, but the big picture is the main thing.
  1. Know the difference between equal opportunity and equal outcome.
  1. First consider the needs of society before having children.
  1. Breaking certain taboos will lead to a burnt out culture.

Originally posted to reformer on Sat Oct 27, 2007 at 05:04 PM PDT.

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  •  Well (4+ / 0-)
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    Marcus Tullius, marykk, possum, HoosierDeb

    Is the Daily Kos a strictly Democratic site or is it a Progressive site?

    according to the FAQ, it's strictly a Democratic site, so I guess that ends discussion.

    We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately. - Benjamin Franklin -5.13/-3.38

    by Grannus on Sat Oct 27, 2007 at 05:11:38 PM PDT

  •  We Didn't State the Fire (2+ / 0-)
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    possum, HoosierDeb

    thought about this when i read this, so i go with my bliss....enjoy

    by Billy Joel

    Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnnie Ray
    South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio  

    Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker, television
    North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe

    Rosenbergs, H-Bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom
    Brando, "The King and I", and "The Catcher in the Rye"

    Eisenhower, vaccine, England's got a new queen  
    Marciano, Liberace, Santayana goodbye

    We didn't start the fire
    It was always burning
    Since the world's been turning
    We didn't start the fire
    No we didn't light it
    But we tried to fight it

    Josef Stalin, Malenkov, Nasser and Prokofiev
    Rockefeller, Campanella, Communist Bloc

    Roy Cohn, Juan Peron, Toscanini, dacron
    Dien Bien Phu Falls, "Rock Around the Clock"  

    Einstein, James Dean, Brooklyn's got a winning team
    Davy Crockett, "Peter Pan", Elvis Presley, Disneyland

    Bardot, Budapest, Alabama, Khrushchev
    Princess Grace, "Peyton Place", trouble in the Suez  

    Little Rock, Pasternak, Mickey Mantle, Kerouac
    Sputnik, Chou En-Lai, "Bridge on the River Kwai"

    Lebanon, Charles de Gaulle, California baseball
    Starkweather, homicide, children of thalidomide

    Buddy Holly, "Ben-Hur", space monkey, Mafia
    hula hoops, Castro, Edsel is a no go

    U2, Syngman Rhee, payola and Kennedy
    Chubby Checker, "Psycho", Belgians in the Congo  


    Hemingway, Eichmann, "Stranger in a Strange Land"  
    Dylan, Berlin, Bay of Pigs Invasion  

    "Lawrence of Arabia", British Beatlemania
    Ole Miss, John Glenn, Liston beats Patterson

    Pope Paul, Malcolm X, British politician sex  
    JFK, blown away, what else do I have to say

    Birth control, Ho Chi Minh, Richard Nixon, back again.  Moonshot, Woodstock, Watergate, punk rock  
    Begin, Reagan, Palestine, terror on the airline
    Ayatollolah's in Iran, Russians in Afghanistan

    "Wheel of Fortune" , Sally Ride, heavy metal, suicide.  Foreign debts, homeless vets, AIDS, Crack, Bernie Goetz.  Hypodermics on the shores, China's under martial law.  Rock and Roller Cola Wars, I can't take it anymore

    We didn't start the fire
    But when we are gone
    Will it still burn on, and on, and on, and on...

    Your mama warned you about me, didn't she?

    by me imperturbe on Sat Oct 27, 2007 at 05:20:08 PM PDT

  •  well (4+ / 0-)
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    mariachi mama, marykk, possum, HoosierDeb

    I'm sorry but nobody is pushing me out of my own Party.  If some corporate Dems don't like our progressive politics, they can go start their new party.

    No one conquers who doesn't fight.

    by grasshopper on Sat Oct 27, 2007 at 05:23:10 PM PDT

  •  Can't do that here (0+ / 0-)

    It's Kos's site, and he says it's a Democratic Party advocacy media creature. He has every right to do that, and as a matter of consistency, I support his right to be an arbritrary monarch on his own virtual turf.

    I'm currently a "tactical Dem." In that spirit, if Hillary is the nominee, I will still write in Al Gore.  There, I voted for a Dem.

    On a local level, I'm a strong supporter of third parties holding local political office.  Durimng the next election, we need a national Dem Party structure for the reconstruction.  They can deal with the local parties, or fold and leave a few cities.

    I'v already begun a third party-friendly progressive site, as an outgrowth of the old radical Paper, Zenger. ( ) It's darned seldom that anything here really rubs me the wrong way, so I'd rather be a good citizen here and take my rowdy to my own space.

    •  If a Republican is elected in 2008 (0+ / 0-)

      because folks decide to vote "tactically", will you feel that you did your part to help further progressive/liberal/Democratic ideals?  Will the purity be enough to check Rudy or Mitt's Supreme Court appointments?  Will you have helped elect a Democrat, or a Republican?

      We're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine

      And the machine is bleeding to death.

      by Marcus Tullius on Sat Oct 27, 2007 at 05:41:06 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Let's turn that question around (0+ / 0-)

        If you vote for Senator Clinton and her corporate agenda, and then she fails to move the country back to the center (which is the most likely scenario), will you feel that you did your part when the Thugs re-win control of the White House and Congress and then pick up where they left off, moving the country even more toward totalitarianism?

        If a Democrat president doesn't reverse the political direction  of the country, then we are just delaying the inevitable.

        Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling. - Cake

        by slatsg on Sat Oct 27, 2007 at 06:28:07 PM PDT

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        •  If you do not think that Senator Clinton's (0+ / 0-)

          policies would be a reversal of the direction of this country, I don't know what to say.  I disagree with some of her policies, and, short of bringing peace on Earth and goodwill toward men, there is nothing she could do to win my vote in the primary.  But if she is the nominee, yeah, I gotta tell yeah, I'll vote for her over enabling a Rudy or a Mitt any day.  And, what's more, I'll bet she would a damn popular president, and would in no way help usher in the next Republican regime.

          We're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine

          And the machine is bleeding to death.

          by Marcus Tullius on Sat Oct 27, 2007 at 06:35:33 PM PDT

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          •  We have different opinions (0+ / 0-)

            Senator Clinton's husband did not reverse the rightward drift of this country, and Bush II simply picked up where Bush I left off. Will the Senator be as bad as the present criminal-in-chief? Of course not. But will she move toward the center? I seriously doubt it. Her husband bought into the "magic of the marklet place", "end of history" nonsense and I fear Seanator Clinton will too. I sincerely hope that I am wrong.

            Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling. - Cake

            by slatsg on Sat Oct 27, 2007 at 06:45:36 PM PDT

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            •  As you say: (1+ / 0-)
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              We have different opinions

              I love that about being a Democrat. : )

              Cheers, and may the eventual nominee move us as far to the left/progressive/liberal side of things as possible.

              We're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine

              And the machine is bleeding to death.

              by Marcus Tullius on Sat Oct 27, 2007 at 07:09:30 PM PDT

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            •  Seriously, I will never, ever, vote for Hillary (0+ / 0-)

              The alternative is to write in Al Gore.
              Will Hillary prosecute the war profiteers?  No.
              Will Hillary repeal NAFTA? No.
              Will Hillary bring the troops home now? No.
              Will Hillary stop the illegal spying? No.

              Best get busy nominating a progressive candidate, and stop whining that we are not going to facilitate the inevitability of business as usual.

  •  Not an ACTUAL Third Party (0+ / 0-)

    I meant more of a "movement" than a party.
    Something to light up the truly progressive and BOLD wing of the party.

    By the way, you have commented on the first few sentences.
    What about the heart of the story?

  •  Some Priorities. (0+ / 0-)

    One, get rid of the Federal Reserve.  No non-transparent, privately-owned central bank issuing currency and charging us interest on it.  Period.  If you're not on board with this, you're not "progressive" except in your own dreams.

    Two, privacy must be re-established.  That will be hard given computer and cell phone technology and the arrogance of the people today running the show, coupled with how frightened most people are of the "terrorists" and wanting Daddy to protect them.

    Three, get rid of imperialism, and you get rid of all, or nearly all, terrorism.

    Four, anyone who by his or her affirmative act, as an adult, other than marriage to a foreign national, who obtains the passport of any foreign country, is disqualified from holding high public office.  You wanna be an Israeli, go live in Israel -- but in all events, you don't get to be a Congressman, head of Homeland Security, blah blah blah.

    Not that I want a Department of Homeland Security.

    Public education presents a huge problem, because as long as it has existed in the US it has been intended to pacify and dumb down the majority, and to select out modest numbers of capable kids from non-elite families to be the servants of the elite.  In recent times, both Dems and Pugs have sought to nationalize public education (not wholly, and not avowedly, but just the same) as an element of (centralized) political control.  Wherefore, I would keep the FEDERAL government out of primary and secondary education altogether.  The more local, the better, except that states should disallow gross disparities in school funding (as has been attempted with considerable success in Vermont).

    Frankly, since public education is tied to an ethos of dumbing-down, I would prefer the privatization of K-12, but for the problem that poorer families could not, especially at the outset, pay for it.  But just as the religious and non-religious must learn to get along in the broader, civil society, mutual tolerance probably doesn't work if either covets, and obtains, undue control over a monopolized system of elementary and secondary schools.  I'm all for diversity of opinion, experimentation and innovation in pedagogy, etc.; again, I see the chief problem being that we can't have great, innovative private schools for the well-off and nothing, or shit, for the non well-off.

    The right to bear arms must be protected.  On this, I am Old School, right-wing, whatever.

    On environmental protection, I am left-wing.  This is huge.

    Being of Southern descent, I'm all for decentrism, which is to say States' Rights and, as a last resort and curb against tyranny, the right of secession.  General Lee was right:  the "consolidation of the States into one vast Republic" has proved to be "aggressive abroad and despotic at home."

    Lee (descendant of two founders and whose wife was descended from Martha Custis; President Washington's grand-nephew, for Heaven's sake, was shot dead by Union forces while on patrol with General Lee's nephew) was prescient in foreseeing that consolidation would be the "Certain precursor of that ruin that has overwhelmed all [attempts at republican government] that have preceded [the USA]."

    I should not have to say that I have any nostalgia for Jim Crow, which I found humiliating and shameful as a child, nor obviously for slavery.  I deem it a huge national tragedy that the issue of centrism versus decentrism turned on the issue of slavery (or more precisely was depicted as such).

    But limiting the federal government limits its possibilities for abuse, and I'd rather be a citizen of a genuinely sovereign state with 600,000, 2 million, or even 20 million people than a behemoth of 300 million people.

    Also, in a million years I could not aspire to be elected to Congress, but the New York Legislature might not be beyond my reach.

    I note also, in passing, that my birth State (New York; I'm half-Southern, as my Mom was a Mayflower descendant and a transplant from Pittsburgh to NYC) in ratifying the constitution reserved to itself the power to re-assume the powers it saw itself as delegating to the central government.

    In other words, the men who ratified the Cnstitution on behalf of New York believed in the right of secession.  (That's express also in the ratification documents of Virginia -- Sic Semper Tyrannus!" -- and Rhode Island.

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