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                                 MS. HERBERT
           Your writings about Timothy McVeigh are an example.  Can you
           explain to us how you got involved with his story?

                                  GORE VIDAL
           I had followed his case in The New York Times, which is
           something like Pravda was under the Soviet Union.  In other
           words, you can get the news if you know how to read between
           the lines--but it's hard.  And I heard that this lone crazed
           killer, had blown up a building in Oklahoma City.  Then he
           was condemned to death after what was a very hasty trial,
           with a terrible defense, and he got up--he didn't speak
           during the trial--he had denied having done it--and the judge
           was about to sentence him to death and said, "Do you have
           anything to say to the court?" And he said, "I would like to
           quote Justice Brandeis dissenting in Olmstead versus US--the
           Supreme Court case--and he recited it, he said, "Our
           government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher, for good
           or ill it teaches the whole people by example." He didn't go
           to the end of the dissent--it's a couple of paragraphs--but
           it was at the very end that Brandeis said--this was a
           dissenting opinion, not a majority one--"if the government
           feels that in the pursuit of what it regards as crime, that
           it may itself commit criminal acts, retribution will be
           terrible."  Well what happened at Oklahoma City was
           retribution done by one man because of what the government
           had done at Waco.  Janet Reno ordered the FBI to take out
           this perfectly harmless bunch of religious nuts, evangelical
           Christians, who had withdrawn from the world.  They cooked up
           some charges against them, needless to say all false.  The
           leader was a pedophile and a Nazi--kept a picture of Hitler
           under his bed.  Just the usual nonsense of demonizing--and
           the Clinton Administration ordered the FBI in to take them
           out.  They killed 180 people. 27 children were killed to
           protect them from the pedophile.  The government then said
           the cultists had set the fires upon themselves and shot each
           other and so on--total lies.  And a former hero of the Gulf
           War called McVeigh who had won the Bronze Star--which is the
           highest medal for infantrymen outside of the Medal of Honor-
           a perfect soldier, a kind of Eagle Scout, a straight-arrow
           type, he was just out of the army, and he went to Waco, and
           he watched this 52-day siege.  And so, he said, "Any
           government that does this is going to suffer terrible
           retribution," and he decided he would be the one to do it.

                                  MS. HERBERT
           And you had a correspondence with him for a bit.

                                  GORE VIDAL
           We started to correspond, and in a letter to me he said, "my
           first impression when I saw contrary to all law, that the FBI
           was using military army tanks to attack the building--I
           thought only the Chinese did that sort of thing to their
           people, and here is the Federal Bureau of Investigation doing
           that." After 52 days the FBI went in and killed people, and
           destroyed the building--they called it Showtime--a giggly
           sense of humor our secret police has.  Well, he decided he'd
           give them another Showtime--he'd blow up the building which
           housed the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, and the
           FBI--which had jurisdiction over the Branch Davidian
           compound.  I wrote a piece in Vanity Fair in '98 by which
           time he was in the federal prison at Denver.  And I go into
           what the feds did at Ruby Ridge where they killed an innocent
           family called Weaver, that wanted to live in the woods and be
           left alone.  They shot the wife, she came out the door of
           their cabin holding a baby and they shot her through the
           head.  And up until 9/11 they were talking about re-opening
           the case to see what really happened there.  So here is
           McVeigh, one man who just declares war on the federal
           government, and he started to write me letters after he read
           my piece on the shredding of our Bill of Rights by the Drug
           Enforcement Agency, and the Internal Revenue Service.  We
           conducted a correspondence over three years.  He was a
           marvelous writer and he knew a great deal of American
           history.  In the Vanity Fair article, I quote several of his
           letters.  He was a very shrewd analyst.  He knew they had to
           get rid of him.  He had two choices--to spend 50 years or so
           living in a box, or to be executed.  He seems to have had no
           fear of death, he preferred an execution--or as he said in
           one of the letters to me, "state assisted suicide." At the
           end when they ask, "do you have any last words," the press
           was there, and he said, "Yes, I have a poem." Our press is
           about as illiterate as everybody else, and they didn't
           recognize it, but it was by W.E. Henley, Invictus.  In my
           day, every school kid knew the poem, "I am the master of my
           fate/I am the captain of my soul." He had that distributed
           but nobody understood what it meant.  Because they don't know
           who Henley is.  But what was happening?  He was reflective of
           a government totally out of control, a secret police--which
           is what the Federal Bureau of Investigation is--which is not
           accountable to anybody--they don't tell Congress anything.
           No country is secure with that sort of thing.  So we have a
           country now, which really isn't much of a country, it's a
           plutocracy. Corporate America paying for campaigns, and
           paying for Congress.  Twenty percent of Americans are doing
           very well working for the one percent.  Eighty percent are
           doing very badly, and we never hear about them.
           Now out of that pool of eighty per cent of the country are
           out-of-work farmers who've been driven off the farms out in
           the mid-west by the agriculture corporations.  They are the
           backbone of the militia movement, they feel that they have
           been robbed of their livelihood--which is true.  They number
           over forty million--and presumably growing.  So what we have
           is a revolutionary situation.  It's just a matter of getting
           the majority to understand they've been duped.  McVeigh sent
           a letter to a number of us, and to the press, and gave his
           reasons: when a government turns against its own people, uses
           tanks, commits murder against innocent people, a government
           out of control, a government that answers to no one, a
           government bought by corporate America.  Well, decorated
           soldier and patriot McVeigh wasn't having any of it.

                                  MS. HERBERT
           So, looking back--and we don't have all of the story about
           what did and did not go into the bombing--but it's possible
           McVeigh was not a terrorist at all, but a type of Paul

                                  GORE VIDAL
           I think that's indeed what he was saying.  He was saying,
           "The feds are coming.  The feds are coming."

                                  MS. HERBERT
           Did I read you were going to attend his execution?

                                  GORE VIDAL
           Not out of morbid love of executions--I generally avoid them.
           He wrote to me and asked if I'd like to be one of the
           witnesses.  What do you say with an invitation like that?
           "No" is really rude, "Yes" could be worse, you know.  So I
           said, "well, if I'm in Indiana at the time, I'll come by." At
           the last minute they had a stay of execution for one month
           and I was all set to go.  Then it was too much of an effort
           to get there.  But he had a sort of girlfriend who had worked
           with his lawyers and I asked her what the last day was like.
           They get you up around 5 in the morning to kill you at 7.  He
           was in total control of himself.  The Oklahomans wanted to
           watch him die so they had a camera in the ceiling looking
           down on him.  The first shot put you to sleep--well he
           refused to go to sleep--he kept his eyes open.  The second
           shot collapses the lungs and he prepared for that, he was
           rationing his breathing, and the third one stops the heart.
           It took all of four minutes to do him in.  But he kept his
           eyes on the Oklahomans all the way through, glared, and died
           with his eyes open. That's powerful I think.

                                  MS. HERBERT
                         (She adjusts piece of paper on
                          table, glances at it.)
           Well, if he was warning us that the feds were coming.
           They certainly arrived after 9/11.  Let's discuss 9/11.  What
           do you think happened?

                                  GORE VIDAL
           Well I don't think we, the American people, deserved what
           happened.  Nor do we deserve the governance we have had since
           1947 and the National Security Act.  In my little book
           Dreaming War, I go into detail about what was not done, and
           done, on 9/11 by the president, and by the military.  None of
           my sources are obscure--my main source is usually The Wall
           Street Journal.  So what do I think happened on 9/11?  From
           our vantage point now, it appears 9/11 was more than one
           force at play.  It seems to have been orchestrated.  Or if it
           wasn't, it was more than one force meeting up at an opportune
           moment.  One force was the Oil and Gas industry.  They wanted
           to get that oil by pipeline through Afghanistan to Pakistan
           to Karachi and from there to ship it off.  Whichever big
           company could cash in would make a fortune.  And you'll see
           that all these companies go back to Bush or Cheney or to
           Rumsfeld or Rice or Norton on the Gas and Oil Junta.  Another
           force involved were the Neo-Cons.  They believe in unilateral
           action by our U.S. Military.  

                                  MS. HERBERT
           If 9/11 was allowed to happen, or orchestrated as a means for
           the United States to embark upon an overt agenda of
           imperialism--have we lost our spirit as a nation?  Is there--

                                  GORE VIDAL
           Yes I think we have.  The core of the American spirit, as we
           have discussed, is the Declaration of Independence--Life,
           Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness--the provisions set
           forth in the Constitution--the Bill of Rights.  Or if you
           want to be more pedestrian, let's go to President Coolidge
           who said the business of America is business--and I go right
           along with that--nothing wrong with that.  Not very
           glamorous, but imperialism has always gone against the
           American grain.  We've all been conditioned to think that
           there are no conspiracies in American life.  Unless it's
           Enron and Anderson.  But there is no longer much doubt-
           across the board--conservative to liberal--we all know there
           is something terribly wrong--I mean look at the last election
           the voting machines-we recently had a departing Senator
           tell 60 Minutes that lobbyists now write the legislation that
           they sign off on.

                                  MS. HERBERT
           Yes--yes--yes!  Such a nightmare!  And I think, for those of
           us still paying attention--who are aware of what's happened
           to constitutional rights since 9/11--what's happened to
           journalism and the flow of information--and you look at
           history--and how elements from past empires and fascist
           regimes have come to the fore since 9/11--and I just wonder-
           how should I be living today as an American?  Is moral
           outrage dead?

                                  GORE VIDAL
           Well, this is an interesting question--and especially today.
           First, in order to be morally outraged one has to prove harm
           is being done.  If you consider close to one hundred thousand
           Iraqis dead--not to mention many Afghanies--to be evidence of
           harm--then yes--any American citizen ought to be morally
           outraged today.  And what should an individual do?  Stand on
           their street corner with a bullhorn?  Plaster their car
           bumper with stickers?  Write a letter to the editor?  Because
           the great corporate powers have the flow of information in
           their clutches, even if the vast majority of people are
           morally outraged--as I believe they are--there's no way to
           bring them together.  Without access to prime time broadcast
           frequencies, even an issue that both conservative and liberal
           Americans are united on--there are so many lies being told-
           it is now like herding cats to get people to go in the same
           direction.  So as I said, I don't believe we Americans
           deserved what happened on 9/11, nor any of the problems that
           have come in its aftermath, but I don't think this has
           happened because Americans no longer care--it's because there
           is no way for us to come together.  So, no, I don't think
           moral outrage is dead, we just don't have any way to express
           it in a collective way.

                                  MS. HERBERT
           Well, coincidentally, as things sometimes happen, I was
           working on a poem around the time I was invited to be here
           this evening.  And I was searching, trying to find something,
           something that could become an imago for this generation of
           Americans.  Not an imago in the strict psychoanalytic sense-
           but something--an idea--a kind of mental and emotional life
           raft that would embody for us--for those of us who are
           indignant--or terrified--or a combination of those things--at
           what has happened to our country.  Those of us who are old
           enough to know how things worked before 9/11, and are now
           trying to move on in the aftermath.

                                  GORE VIDAL
           And did you come up with something?

                                  MS. HERBERT
           Yes I did, and it turned out that I found it in your work.  I
           found an essay you had published in The Nation back in the
           nineties.  It's the one about Article V of the Constitution,
           and the provision for a convention.

                                  GORE VIDAL
           Oh yes....  Yes, it would be nice, wouldn't it?  It might
           have been possible sometime ago, but now, even if there was a
           popular movement for a convention, one half of the country
           wouldn't hear about what the other is--

                                  MS. HERBERT
           No--well--what I meant was, that that was the imago to hang
           onto.  The imago of true American spirit, if true American
           spirit still exists and was to be carried on into the future.
           Searching for what it might be, and there it was in your
           essay.  I am a college educated American who thinks themself
           somewhat politically astute, and I had never heard of the
           provision for a convention--

                                  GORE VIDAL
           And there's a reason for that.

                                  MS. HERBERT
           Well, I did some research and there are a few books on the
           history of Article V, did you ever happen to read a book
           titled Constitutional Brinksmanship?

                                  GORE VIDAL
           No I have not, what did you find?

                                  MS. HERBERT
           Well I--

                                  GORE VIDAL
           By the way, I thought you might be interesting to talk to,
           but I had no idea!

                                  MS. HERBERT
           I guess it goes to show what you said earlier is true!
           History is the most interesting thing--because it's us--it's
           where we came from!

                                  GORE VIDAL

                                  MS. HERBERT
           This particular subject though, a national convention, this
           mechanism available to us, seemed to me what the imago of
           true American spirit is.
           This has become sort of a parlor game--well, to set things up
           for anyone in the audience--and you correct me if I've
           misconstrued anything (she looks to Vidal who nods
           affirmatively).  OK.  America was thirteen colonies, and the
           British had us under their thumb, and we finally organized,
           threw off a long train of abuses, and secured freedom.  We
           had a document in place, the Articles of Confederation, and
           it kept us and our new freedom in tact.  And then some people
           thought some revisions needed to be made, and Alexander
           Hamilton led a group selling the idea that it was time to
           call a convention.  Except Rhode Island--they never made a
           sale there--everyone finally agreed, and the Framers convened
           in Philadelphia.  After the first few hours, they all
           realized they were split in two.  It was between the
           Federalists, and the Anti-Federalists.  The Federalists
           wanted a centralized government.  The Anti-Federalists were
           like, "What?!  A centralized government?!  We just got out
           from under the British!  Only a matter of time before money
           corrupts the system!  And then what?!  We go through another
           war for independence?!"  Some representatives who had shown
           up turned heel right then and there and went home hollering
           at the top of their lungs that something was afoot.  

                                  GORE VIDAL
           Rhode Islanders no doubt.

                                  MS. HERBERT
           Yes--and a few others who did not like the smell of things.
           But Hamilton and the Federalists assured everyone, this time
           they'd build in a mechanism--a reset button--for in case
           corruption ever got out of control.  Then they hashed things
           out, and after it was written, the Federalists had to go out
           and sell this new Constitution to the thirteen.  The final
           rebuttal to the Anti-Federalists, who thought it was a
           mistake to place all that power into three branches of
           government, was Federalist 85.  And Hamilton wrote that
           himself.  He said, look, if things ever get out of control,
           if congress ever becomes so corrupt that it's no longer
           expressing the will of the people--if corruption ever becomes
           institutionalized at the federal level--the states can step
           in with a convention and purge it.  That was the rebuttal
           that made the sale, and why we eventually ratified and
           adopted the Constitution, and became the U.S.A.

                                  GORE VIDAL
           I've never read or heard it put that way, but it rings true.

                                  MS. HERBERT
           Well, it's interesting, because there's a suit currently
           before the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, and it deals
           specifically with whether Congress must call a convention or
           not--whether it must obey the Constitution or not.

                                  GORE VIDAL

                                  MS. HERBERT
           The case comes down to this: the Constitution--Article V-
           says once thirty-four applications from thirty-four states
           are cast, Congress "shall" call a convention--meaning they
           don't have the choice of whether they want to or not--once
           thirty-four applications hit the doorstep--they have to call

                                  GORE VIDAL
           And the case is that--what?  That thirty-four applications
           have been cast?

                                  MS. HERBERT
           Yes.  In the office of the secretary of Congress there are
           over five hundred applications from all fifty states.

                                  GORE VIDAL
           Well this is news to me.  But my dear, even if all the
           requisites for a convention call are in order, the case is
           not likely to surface--such a thing is a threat to the
           corporate powers--

                                  MS. HERBERT
           Yes--I understand that--but I bring it up because the lawsuit
           legitimizes and manifests this imago.  If a national
           convention is the thing which most embodies true American
           spirit at this point in our history....  Some of us are so
           upset at what has happened to our country, and we want to
           know why--why are things as corrupt as they are?  Why are we
           living under a cap of disinformation?  Why is there no health
           care for those who need it but can't afford it?  Or an
           education for whoever wants it?  It's because there are over
           five hundred applications requesting a convention, and
           Congress has never called it. Laches it's known as legally-
           ignoring something on purpose.

                                  GORE VIDAL
           Yes.  Well that is brilliant that someone put together such a
           lawsuit, but as I mentioned, with information under the thumb
           of the great corporate powers, it would be like herding--

                                  MS. HERBERT
           No, no, no--don't get me wrong--I'm not holding my breath for
           CNN or FOX to start talking about a national convention--or
           the Supreme Court taking the case and forcing Congress to
           call one.  But the possibility--I guess what seems important
           goes along the lines of what you said earlier: How can we
           know where we want to go if we don't first know where we're
           at?Even if our nation is beyond repair in some sense, isn't it
           important to know--at the very least--to be aware of what
           ought to be taking place?

                                  GORE VIDAL
           I see what you mean.  Yes, if something is broken, it's
           always nice to know why it is broken--

                                  MS. HERBERT
           And what could fix it--

                                  GORE VIDAL
           And what could fix it.

                                  MS. HERBERT
           So when we have corporate media tell us we are blue states
           and red states, that is one way to define how we are divided.
           What if we were allowed to find out what percentage of
           Americans are Conventionists, and what percentage are Anti

                                  GORE VIDAL
           That's an interesting way to look at things.  I quite like
           the way you think Ms. Herbert.

                                  MS. HERBERT
           Thank you.

                                  GORE VIDAL
           For myself I will say, as an American, I am a Conventionist.

                                  MS. HERBERT
           Me too.... But imagine the states sending delegates--the
           government would not have to shut down--the current Congress
           could continue on as they would anyway.  Imagine the evening
           news where modern-day Jeffersons and Madisons would emerge--

                                  GORE VIDAL
           And I'm sure a few Washingtons and Hamiltons.

                                  MS. HERBERT
           Well, if you mean that the same forces that are in control
           now, would just as likely take over a convention, I like to
           make the distinction between what would happen in theory, and
           what would happen in practice.

                                  GORE VIDAL
           Yes, I see what you mean.  If the ball got rolling it would
           be such a novel event that it might take on a life of its
           own, and sweep away any attempts at controlling it.  When a
           new manager walks onto the factory floor, anyone who had
           previously enjoyed sleeping on the job, well, you would see
           then standing at attention.

                                  MS. HERBERT
           Right.  And if you raise this subject with most people, they
           have the same concern: what if the convention ends up
           destroying the entire Constitution?  And this was the
           argument made in the 1960's and 1980's when we were close to
           calling a convention.  If you go back to the editorial pages
           of the national newspapers, they all trot out that same fear,
           that a national convention would be dangerous.  But what they
           all fail to mention is, that whatever is proposed--even if
           someone proposes we tear up the Constitution--whatever the
           idea is--it has to be sent off to the fifty states and you
           need three quarters--thirty-eight states--to agree to it
           before any idea is ratified.

                                  GORE VIDAL
           Once we the people are assembled, we can do anything, we can
           throw out the whole executive branch and put in a Tibetan
           lama.  Or turn the country into one big Scientological
           clearing center.  But you are right, Americans have been
           conditioned to think that a convention means the end of the
           Constitution, and it doesn't mean the end of the
           Constitution, or that it needs to be changed, it is simply
           the alternative way to amend it.  It has been amended twenty
           seven times now, and it is still there, and when there are
           two ways to do something, and one way is broken--well--what
           do sensible people do in a situation like that?

                                  MS. HERBERT
           Imagine how riveting the news would be then!  We have all
           these reality TV shows today--imagine one where we got to
           watch American democracy in action!

                                  GORE VIDAL
           You know President Lincoln said once, "I am a firm believer
           in the people.  If given the truth, they can be depended upon
           to meet any national crises."  So let me ask you a question:
           if we the people were to convene a national convention, have
           you an idea what amendments should be hammered out there?

                                  MS. HERBERT
           Oh yes I do.

                                  GORE VIDAL
           I thought you might.

                                  MS. HERBERT
           Well, when a corporation is allowed to own a broadcasting
           company and a company that makes bombs, that kind of insanity
           is what I think a twenty-eighth amendment should be concerned
           with.  It would protect information the way a village would
           protect its source of water.  I heard an idea that I thought
           was brilliant.
           In essence it would divest the media corporations of the
           broadcast frequencies.  They could keep all their cable
           channels, and their movie studios, and internet--but the
           publicly-owned broadcast frequencies--

                                  GORE VIDAL
           Put them under the control of the government?

                                  MS. HERBERT
           Well, no--

                                  GORE VIDAL
           Not that that isn't happening in essence already--

                                  MS. HERBERT
           Well, the idea is to take ABC, CBS, NBC, and PBS and turn
           them into elected offices.  The candidates would be
           programming groups, and if a particular group did a good job
           of reporting--if voters felt it was doing a good job in
           presenting what is going on in the world--they would be re

                                  GORE VIDAL
           Anything else?

                                  MS. HERBERT
           Another amendment might be concerned with electoral reform.
           One that would outlaw proprietary source code in voting
           machines, standardize and make uniform the voting process.
           Let's just hit the reset button, re-establish democracy, and
           let all the other issues follow.

                                  GORE VIDAL
           And with traditional American ingenuity, modern-day delegates
           would hammer those things out, and get that job done.

                                  MS. HERBERT
           They would!

                                  GORE VIDAL
           Well it certainly doesn't hurt to dream.  We must keep hope

                                  MS. HERBERT
           Yes keeping hope alive, but also--you know--if the physicists
           are correct when they say that merely watching an event--your
           perception--how we perceive things--has an effect on how it
           unfolds--the way we collectively see our situation--then
           maybe it's important for Americans to simply be aware of the
           provision for a convention.

                                  GORE VIDAL
           Maybe.  And I would not argue with you, though my experiences
           have left me less.... Well, I certainly admire your passion.

                                  MS. HERBERT
           I'll be the first to admit I'm a dreamer.  But on the
           possibility that we ever have a chance to change the way
           things are--well--as you said--it doesn't hurt to dream.

                                  GORE VIDAL
           The imagination is a curious thing.  No telling what it is
           capable of.

                                  MS. HERBERT
           And there lies hope.  Wonderful.  OK, before we run out of
           time, if anyone has a question for Mr. Vidal....  (She points
           to someone in the audience) Yes, did you have a question?

                                  AUDIENCE MEMBER 1
           In one of your articles in Vanity Fair, you mentioned Opus
           Dei.  Could you tell us just a little bit about them?

                                  GORE VIDAL
           I wish I could tell you a lot about Opus Dei but I don't know
           that much about it.  Opus Dei is a right-wing Catholic
           organization, started in the 1930s in Spain by a Spanish
           priest, who was just beatified by the pope, and the godfather
           of it was Francisco Franco, a bona fide fascist leader.  It's
           a right-wing group with about fifty thousand members around
           the world and growing.  They infiltrate in governments, the
           clergy, the corporate world.  They believe in helping each
           other, like the Masons.  They go in for self-flagellation.
           There's a group of them up at Columbia University in
           Manhattan, and I know some students who had to move out of
           their building due to the screams of the Opus Dei people next
           door, who were beating themselves to pieces morning, noon and
           night.  So we can say they have a certain nuisance value.
           Where they entered my piece on McVeigh--well the villain of
           the piece is pretty much the FBI out of control.  For eight
           years the director of the FBI was a man called Lewis Freeh-
           he was the one they switched out for Mueller just a couple
           weeks before 9/11--and it had been revealed that he's a
           member of Opus Dei.  Well I don't want to go back to the know
           nothing days of 'send the pope back to Rome,' but you get
           suspicious.  We had a difficult election in 2000, and due to
           the Supreme Court's intervention, they gave the election to
           the actual loser, George Bush--for which we are all grateful.
           Now in addition to Freeh of the FBI, we now discover that
           Justice Scalia is Opus Dei, and his son is a priest who
           converted Clarence Thomas to Catholicism, and is probably
           Opus Dei too.
           Now two members of the court are Opus Dei, I mean this is
           enough to remind me of my Protestant roots you know, suddenly
           there I am ready to post something on the door of the church!
           We're all conspiratorial minded in America because there are
           so many conspiracies.  We saw the Supreme Court conspiring to
           deny the presidency to the popular winner, it pulled every
           trick in the book and in full view of the world.

                                  MS. HERBERT
                         (She points)
           Yes, did you have a question?

                                  AUDIENCE MEMBER 2
           Yes, Mr. Vidal, which book that you've read do you think has
           been most important to your intellectual development?

                                  GORE VIDAL
           I suppose Thucydides' The Peloppenesian War which showed how
           through sheer pride and stupidity the Athenian empire wrecked
           itself.  At the end, there was nothing but a great speech by
           Pericles mourning the dead.

                                  MS. HERBERT
           Having said that, what's your feeling about all this then?
           What do you say in the face of all this we're experiencing

                                  GORE VIDAL
           Well, I say that eternity is a very long time, if it could be
           called time.  I don't believe in afterlife, but that's why I
           believe all the more deeply in this life, being the one thing
           that we can fix.  And why I am often in a state of outrage at
           how badly we screw everything up in the United States, which
           is basically the most blessed of countries--Native Americans
           to one side--but it was a fairly empty place for a lot of
           Europeans to come to.  How we could have come to this, all
           because of the theater of something called the Cold War and
           the profits for corporations....  I have hope.  I have hope
           when I talk with Americans like yourself.  I have hope that
           someday your imago becomes our reality.  Things are bleak,
           but there are always possibilities on the horizon.  We never
           know what tomorrow may bring.

                                  MS. HERBERT
           No we don't, do we?  Thank you for being with us this

                                  GORE VIDAL
           May we close with that poem of yours?

                                  MS. HERBERT
           Certainly.  We....  We want to talk about impregnable
           innocence,/ blue-green/hazel eyes so profound no guitar/
           could ever reverb them/ into the maelstrom of our
           discontent.// We want to imagine the scent of our dream
           lover/ wrapped in cotton sheets of the highest count,/ and
           the ocean breeze passing the verdigris/ of the screen set in
           a window/ above the shimmering water.// We want to talk about
           this,/ and us--earth's-consciousness--/as moss on a rock;//
           and our invincibility no matter the monsters feeding in the
           dark.// It is only night.

                                  GORE VIDAL
           Thank you.

                                  MS. HERBERT
           Thank you.

                                  GORE VIDAL
           It has been a pleasure.

                                  MS. HERBERT
           Ladies and gentlemen--Mr. Gore Vidal.


Originally posted to John De Herrera on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 06:59 AM PST.

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