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Real Progressives Support New Orleans...

Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 06:02:06 AM PDT

and that includes holding their conventions in that beautiful, historic city.

They'd recognize the fact that New Orleans needs all the help she can get. She is desperately scrounging for conventions. She and her hotels, eateries, shops and other businesses that benefit from tourism need the influx of visitors and cash such a convention would bring. It would provide work for New Orleanians. So this business is vitally needed.

Such a convention could also bring New Orleans the positive media attention that would show that she's open for business--good publicity invaluable to a recovering city that she so sorely needs. The buzz generated by her hosting such a convention could convince other organizations to hold their conventions there or hold other events in New Orleans in the future.

The hustle and bustle of being the site of such a convention, combined with the influx of visitors, money, jobs, positive press, and other perks would be a feel-good experience for New Orleans that could lift her spirits. It could be healing and give her the confidence to feel that better days could be ahead. Which could aid her recovery.

On top of the material benefits and psychological boost New Orleans would get from being a convention venue is the fact that holding their convention in New Orleans would have immense symbolic value both for her and for the progressives. It would publicly show that they stand firmly behind Louisiana in the face of BushCo's criminal neglect of New Orleans, its wholesale forgetting and abandonment of that city and her people, and its hostility against Louisiana. Which, ever since Gov. Blanco committed the unpardonable sin of making BushCo look bad during Katrina, BushCo has sought to punish.

This is why I am very sad and angry that New Orleans has been deprived of the opportunity to host such a convention. Because Netroots Nation passed over this far more deserving city with her one-of-a-kind culture and ambiance for bland, dull Austin, Texas. This was a travesty.

Read this Netroots Nation diary, which thanks to nolalily's originally posting this link I'm able to use as a resource here. I posted a comment there the other day in which I showed some remarkable restraint considering how I feel--had to, since I was on their "turf" and felt then like a voice crying in the wilderness.

At 7:55 am on Nov, 23 2007 Louisiana 1976 wrote:
To play the devil's advocate--you should have stuck with New Orleans and found a way to make going there work. I'm sure you could have if you'd worked hard enough.

Because real progressives not only support New Orleans, they put their money where their mouth is by holding their conventions in that beautiful historic city with her one--of-a- kind culture, which has far more to offer than Austin.

But reading what the diarist had said made me very upset, and I get more and more upset thinking about it. Because I believe that the diarist could have made New Orleans work as a convention venue had she put the effort into it.

It's difficult to buy what she says about New Orleans' hotels not being up to hosting that big a convention. Something about her story seems fishy. There's a gap in it. (More about this below.) Because post-Katrina New Orleans with her 24,000 hotel rooms has been home to JazzFest, the French Quarter Festival, and last but not least Mardi Gras. All of which have drawn very many thousands. And many other conventions and events.

Here's one thing that came out of New Orleans' rejection as a presidential debate venue last Monday. Its following so quickly on the heels of the Netroots Nation rejection called my attention to the systematic attack BushCo has been carrying out against Louisiana by taking away from her presidential debates as well as prestigious conventions like Netroots Nation 2008 that had been considering New Orleans as a venue. BushCo's behind-the-scenes maneuvering and dirty tricks including influencing these groups, driving them away from choosing New Orleans, is yet another part of its pattern of abuse against Louisiana.

It would not be surprising had this sort of thing been behind Netroots Nation's rejection of New Orleans. Because in the Netroots Nation diary its author says in effect that New Orleans had come extremely close to being a convention site. She says that

when we first starting looking at locations for 2008, at that time there was really only one location we considered, NoLa. There was strong netroots support to have the convention in New Orleans and as a board we wanted to go to New Orleans for all the obvious reasons.

We found what we thought would be a great venue for our convention in a hotel in New Orleans. That hotel was not union, but we couldn't ignore the overwhelming support that city enjoyed in our community.

The plan was to go over the '08 contract with the committee before, during or right after the convention, but we never found a time when one of us was not flying around some corner. But the problem with the NoLa venue arose during and immediately after our convention in Chicago because we realized it would be too small to hold our growing community. It was way too small. There was simply no way to make the main panel room work. We thought about simulcasting the main ballroom events in other meeting rooms to accommodate our size and we thought about shoe-horning ourselves into the space... but neither of those would have honestly worked.

I have to admit, when i got back from Chicago and I opened up the contract to take a hard look at it, I was devastated when I realized it would not work. Devastated because I was so looking forward to being a very small part of rebuilding NoLa's brand as a meeting destination. Devastated because I knew the community wanted it so badly. And devastated because I knew we were starting back at square one.

She adds that

Still working through INMEX, we went back to New Orleans with the hopes of finding a venue that would be large enough for our convention.

Moving on from New Orleans, we expanded our search.

Now here's what really bugs me. The gap in what she says. She doesn't specify why no other place in New Orleans would have worked or what hitch developed that made them look at other cities. So reading between the lines it's easy to figure that somewhere along the line she was, or other Netroots Nation members were, pressured into not having Netroots Nation 2008 convene in New Orleans.

So New Orleans' dual rejections by both the site selection commission and Netroots Nation are right out of the playbook of a BushCo involved in the moral equivalent of war against Louisiana. There is nothing BushCo would like better than for New Orleans to rot and Louisiana to drop dead. And BushCo wants to make its ethnic cleansing of Louisiana stick by inhibiting New Orleans' recovery. So they have been squelching New Orleans' ability to take advantage of opportunities that would allow her to show the world that she's very much alive and would help her become whole--hence the dual rejections.

As part of this BushCo has been carrying out a systematic anti-New Orleans, anti-Louisiana propaganda campaign that would have made Georg Goebbels of "Big Lie" fame green with envy. The Big Lie can be seen in the verbiage of Mr. Paul G. Kirk, Jr., when he said, as noted in  "New Orleans Was Robbed" that New Orleans hasn't recovered enough from Katrina when his site selection commission denied her the opportunity to host a presidential debate. This is another way to say her tourist infrastructure wouldn't be up to hosting such an event. And it's--while not identical to what Netroots Nation said in rejecting New Orleans, it sounds very similar. So both are close enough to be out of BushCo's playbook.

Back to Austin, Texas. That city would be ideal not for something progressive like Netroots Nation 2008, but for a Young Republican convention. By the way, isn't Austin either the site of, or going to be the site of, the George W. Bush presidential library? And let us not forget who sat in the statehouse there, until he moved on up to the White House.

If New Orleans symbolizes freedom and progressive ideals, Austin symbolizes fascism--and the destruction of all we hold dear--including New Orleans, which BushCo, be depriving her of a presidential debate and of Netroots Nation 2008, is trying to accomplish. Netroots Nation's selection of Austin is the sort of crap we would expect from the Young Republicans. Not progressives.

This choice of a BushCo stronghold is also telling. Maybe Netroots Nation or at least their convention site selecters are not real progressives who support New Orleans and would hold a convention there. Perhaps this organization has even been infiltrated by BushCo supporters who want to finish in Louisiana the job that Katrina started. These Netroots Nation people don't really give a damn about New Orleans and about helping her recover. So they did exactly what BushCo would have wanted and rejected New Orleans for Austin.

It saddens me and makes me very upset that this Netroots Nation diarist was saying all that stuff about how much they supported New Orleans and her recovery. Yet, when it came to putting their money where their mouth is, they rejected her for Austin. They voted with their dollars against New Orleans--depriving her of the income and the enjoyment of being their convention venue.

This makes all those nice things the diarist said about New Orleans and about

strong netroots support to have the convention in New Orleans

as empty as Bush's Jackson Square promises. These self-called "supporters" of New Orleans have forgotten and abandoned her just like BushCo, the mainstream media, and almost everybody else. And this is inexcusable and unforgivable. It pisses me off.

After having read that Netroots Nation diary, I've changed my mind about calling for a boycott of Netroots Nation 2008 by those of us who love and care about New Orleans--which I did in a recent diary Such a boycott, by itself, wouldn't send a powerful enough message and probably wouldn't make that big a difference. It must take place in conjunction with other things. Because our voices won't be heard if all we do is stay away.

Instead, as Thomas Jefferson once said,

"A little revolution now and then is a good thing."

We need to start a little revolution against Netroots Nation's rejection of New Orleans for Austin. We need to let them know in no uncertain terms that New Orleans is the rightful choice--the only suitable venue for Netroots Nation 2008.

Everyone who feels as strongly about this travesty as I do needs to register as a member of the Netroots Nation website (which I needed to do in order to post my comment) so we all can make our voices heard. We need to flood Netroots Nation's website with messages calling for Netroots Nation 2008 in New Orleans. We need to plant serious doubts in the minds of the Netroots Nation people including the diarist and other decisionmakers as to the wisdom of their rejection of New Orleans. Above all we need to demand that these folks listen to their consciences (assuming they're not all closet BushCo plants, which would mean they have none!) and reconsider the only true progressive choice--New Orleans! For it would be unconscionable for them to go to Austin or anyplace other than New Orleans, for that matter. And we need to pass on in ours and in other blogs and on message boards the following:

WE DEMAND NETROOTS NATION 2008 IN NEW ORLEANS!

We need to demand better--because New Orleans deserves better.

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Do you think there may be more to the story of Netroots Nation's choosing Austin over New Orleans, than the Netroots Nation diarist mentions?

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  •  Tips, mojo, moral support... (12+ / 0-)

    and in the face of these rejections New Orleans can also use some mojo and moral support....

    Don't miss my blog! "We are all New Orleans now."--Barbara O'Brien Geauxbama!

    by Louisiana 1976 on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 06:02:23 AM PDT

    •  IMEX (0+ / 0-)

      Who in the hell are they?  Could it be this organization routed NN to Austin? Are they a progressive company?

      •  I did a google search (2+ / 0-)

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        Sharoney, Louisiana 1976

        and this is what I found:
        http://www.inmex.org/

        From their "about" page:

        Informed Meetings Exchange (INMEX) was founded to research, analyze and disseminate information about the global hotel industry, so that member organizations can make informed decisions about how and where their meeting and convention dollars are being spent.

        Each INMEX member organization not only wants to maximize the quality of their events, but also wants to maximize the impact their meetings and conventions dollars have on the lives of hotel workers and the communities they live in.

        They are a progressive company and they don't seem to have any ties to Austin, per se.  I don't know anything more about this than I found out in 60 seconds on the web.

        Frugal Fridays, where the cheap come to chat.

        by sarahnity on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 01:11:06 PM PDT

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  •  Yeah This Is Bull Shit (9+ / 0-)

    New Orleans can host a pro football game. Have Jazz Fest come off fine. But it can't handle a presidential   debate or Netroots. Give me a fucking break.

    BTW: Sorry for the language, but this really, really makes me mad!

  •  Did you happen to catch nolalily's diary (5+ / 0-)

    from yesterday?  Be sure to read through the comments.

    I'm not sure, but I think GWB's library will be in Dallas on the SMU property.

    (and FWIW, I was hoping that this year's convention would have been held in NOLA, also.  Hopefully it can be worked out for next year.)

    GOP = Graveyard of Progress (Dick Durbin, Senate Floor, 4/15/08)

    by Ellicatt on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 06:19:39 AM PDT

  •  When I Saw Americans (8+ / 0-)

    standing on the roofs of their homes with signs that said "We are Americans Please Help Us!" That was when I lost any and all faith in our government. That Netroots won't be in NO is stunning. And their excuse of why is totally bogus. No hotel in NO can't handle their needs. Yeah right.

  •  Follow the money. (3+ / 0-)

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    nolalily, chigh, Louisiana 1976

    Who are the sponsors for this convention? Feel free to ignore my cynical "follow the money" attitude(everyone else does) but I've noticed a pattern. The bigger the sponsors, the less they give a shit about people.

  •  I'm not going to Austin (5+ / 0-)

    I really don't think there was a conspiracy to over look NOLA.  

    I do think the selection process wasn't well-publicized, and that the possbility of NOLA as a venue was poorly researched by a group that knows little about the city.

    I have already written to Netroots Nation urging them to make a public Request For Proposals now for the 2009 convention site, and that they start by requesting local volunteers to serve as contacts for their site selection committee.

    To think is easy. To act is difficult. To act as one thinks is the most difficult of all -Goethe

    by commonscribe on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 07:30:45 AM PDT

    •  That's exactly it (2+ / 0-)

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      commonscribe, chigh

      The selection process was very poorly handled. It needed to be a public process, with clear and well-publicized opportunities for folks to provide their feedback. The deliberations of the committee should have been as open as possible, and once finalists were chosen, the users should have been again invited to give feedback.

      The problem isn't just that New Orleans was abandoned for no good reason, but that the people who made the decisions abandoned basic progressive principles of democratic inclusion in doing so.

      I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
      Neither is California High Speed Rail

      by eugene on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 07:44:49 AM PDT

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    •  I think you're pretty (5+ / 0-)

      much on the money.  People have a real hard time admitting, "we fucked up.  we needed help. we're new at this.  let's get together and make this right."

      White woman over 50 for OBAMA!! (Endorsed 6/07)

      by nolalily on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 07:58:36 AM PDT

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    •  I don't know... (1+ / 0-)

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      chigh

      it just seems strange and suspicious that NOLA had been the first choice--then all of a sudden dropped, with all sorts of lame excuses (similar to what happened with the presidential debate site selection commission).

      This makes it look like there are hostile forces (namely the

      Chimp-in-Chief

      and company), who due to the fact that Gov. Blanco made the Bush Administration look bad during Katrina, are now out to block anything prestigious like a presidential debate--or a convention like Netroots Nation 2008--from taking place in Louisiana. Because they don't want New Orleans to recover--which any such event would help her do.

      If anybody thinks this is a conspiracy theory, so be it, and I don't mind--I mean, sometimes conspiracy theories turn out to be right.

      Oh, and by the way, thanks for writing Netroots Nation

      urging them to make a public Request For Proposals now for the 2009 convention site, and that they start by requesting local volunteers to serve as contacts for their site selection committee.

      Hopefully that will help--at least with Netroots Nation there's always 2009.

      When with the presidential debates New Orleans won't have another shot at them for another 4 years--and judging from how BushCo has been working against her now--systematically driving away from her any event that would bring in an influx of visitors, money and jobs and help her recover, I seriously wonder if there will still be a New Orleans 4 years from now.

      Don't miss my blog! "We are all New Orleans now."--Barbara O'Brien Geauxbama!

      by Louisiana 1976 on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 08:16:54 AM PDT

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    •  Request for Proposal (1+ / 0-)

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      Louisiana 1976

      Is IMEX already working on NN 2009?  Obviously, they have the data to know what the specs are that need presentation to the hotels and convention centers.

  •  Kossacks would put up with inconveniences (7+ / 0-)

    If the cost of going to New Orleans was putting up with a less than ideal room for the keynote, don't you think Kossacks would have been more than willing to deal with that minor problem if that's what it took to get us to New Orleans?

    Folks tolerated a crappy hotel and Vegas heat for the first yKos. Surely they'd have embraced a few small, relatively unimportant issues for the sake of going to New Orleans.

    This is why not having open deliberations and a clear, well-publicized feedback process are an enormous problem. The folks involved with the selections could have done a much better job - and even if they still wound up picking Austin it would have generated less controversy because the reasons would have been clear, the process fair and inclusive.

    I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
    Neither is California High Speed Rail

    by eugene on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 07:48:06 AM PDT

    •  we were pretty spread out in chicago (5+ / 0-)

      we did a lot of walking to get from one room to another- even if we found two (or more) smaller sites in new orleans, and used a system of shuttle vans for people who couldn't walk far, it might have been comparable to the amount of distance people had to cover to get to the different rooms in chicago

      i really wish we were going to new orleans.  i really do.

    •  I disagree (3+ / 0-)

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      Sharoney, eugene, sarahnity

      Eugene, I've followed your comments over the last two days and I think you've been fairly even-handed, and I appreciate that.

      However, you didn't have to deal with the backlash from Chicago and while it is easy to say "kossacks will put up with it fro XYZ", it is really another thing to make them do it.

      •  I understand that (2+ / 0-)

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        commonscribe, chigh

        But that's where a more open process is so valuable. Put it to the members: are you willing to put up with some inconveniences if that's what it takes to go to New Orleans?

        I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
        Neither is California High Speed Rail

        by eugene on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 08:15:03 AM PDT

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        •  Getting consensus in the blogosphere (1+ / 0-)

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          Sharoney

          is impossible.

          You can do polls, diaries, and feedback until the cows come home but you'll always have people complaining about the decision that was made.

          We used feedback from the post-convention survey to help make our decision, but the fact is that it is a fluid process with a million variables, but I can tell you we're not plucking things out of thin air.

        •  If you want to see (2+ / 0-)

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          Sharoney, mem from somerville

          how hard it is trying to find a consensus here, check out this poll run right after YK07:
          Where To Have Next Year's YKos/Netroots Nation?
          With almost 1800 responses, New Orleans was not the favorite.  The reason I remember this poll and could find it again was that response shocked the hell out of me.  I thought for sure that everyone here wanted New Orleans and would be willing to put up with some inconvenience to make it work.  The truth is that wasn't really the case.  

          The "winner" in that poll was Dallas/Houston/Austin, but even that option only got 18% support.  One thing that's clear to me is that any decision was going to make a majority of people here unhappy.  I wish the selection process had been a bit more open and transparent too, but I can't really blame the selection committee for just closing the door and trying to come to a decision without everyone yelling at them all the time.  

          Frugal Fridays, where the cheap come to chat.

          by sarahnity on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 08:52:05 AM PDT

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          •  wow- i never would have guessed that (1+ / 0-)

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            Nightprowlkitty

            new orleans is far from me- i'm in ct, just outside of nyc, but new orleans was my first choice

          •  Another thing (3+ / 0-)

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            Sharoney, mem from somerville, Nolan

            When you factor in that they were trying to plan a major convention with much less lead time than these things usually have (and so are running into the situation that most places are booked) it makes their lack of transparency even more explainable.  They don't have time to discuss each decision with the community at large.  The situation is fluid and constantly evolving.  New information becomes available and must be acted upon quickly.

            I also just want to say that the level of vitriol directed at them from people here who seem all too willing to be convinced of the worst possible interpretation of their actions ("they're liars!"  "they're BushCo stooges!") I find shocking and truly distasteful.  I am trying to cut y'all some slack, because I know that you are facing a grievous wound, but, speaking as random kossack who has no affiliation with either New Orleans or with NN, you are not making your case very convincing to me.  I think this is a despicable way to treat people who have volunteered an amazing amount of time and energy in order to organize an event for the good of the community.

            At this point, I really want NN to go to New Orleans in 2009 despite your actions here, not at all because of them.

            Frugal Fridays, where the cheap come to chat.

            by sarahnity on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 09:07:47 AM PDT

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            •  Yes, some of us, (3+ / 0-)

              including me, have held back suspicions or let them fall where they may.  Suffice it to say, many of us are boiling mad and can barely keep a lid on it - try as we may.

              I can't blame Louisiana 1976 for the way she feels.  When your own newspaper tells you "we were robbed" regarding the Presidential Debate, it makes you wonder why Netroots isn't going to be here either.  NOT to say there is a conspiracy of some kind - I don't believe that.  I hope what I believe is also true, but we have suffered unfairly and often enough in the last couple of years that when it comes to politics, it's hard to keep your head above water and trust.

              I believe most of us, in New Orleans and the Gulf Coast, have been given ample reason to question EVERYTHING having to do with politics.  Some of us question, not only Republican motives but Democratic ones as well.

              My apologies if I've offended anyone.  But, it is far better for me and for Louisiana 1976 to ferret out answers without being "nice guys" if that's what we need to do.

              White woman over 50 for OBAMA!! (Endorsed 6/07)

              by nolalily on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 09:16:20 AM PDT

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            •  NN 2009 (2+ / 0-)

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              eugene

              This will never happen if we do not know what happened this time.  Where are the specs?  Who is IMEX?

            •  Every institution (2+ / 0-)

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              chigh, Louisiana 1976

              In our society needs to have openness, transparency, and inclusion as part of its process. Every single one of them. It is not as difficult as you make it sound, and openness is not as chaotic and disruptive as you suggest. Many Kossacks would have been happy to spend some time in August, myself included, helping to create some relatively simple feedback methods.

              Democratic openness and ability to make quick decisions are by no means incompatible, whether it is with a Netroots Nation convention or with the operation of the US judicial system.

              I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
              Neither is California High Speed Rail

              by eugene on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 02:02:47 PM PDT

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          •  It's not about consensus (1+ / 0-)

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            chigh

            The point isn't to ensure that there is no disagreement. That is simply impossible to ever accomplish. Instead the point - of any political or organizational action - should be to be inclusive and open, to encourage democratic participation.

            That is how legitimacy is created. And in such a situation, disagreements become less important. Folks here aren't complaining about the outcome, they're fundamentally complaining about the process, the lack of public involvement, the lack of a clear explanation that can explain the outcome. With openness comes clarity, comes explanation, and ultimately, unity.

            Disagreement isn't what hurts unity - distrust and a lack of openness is what eventually eats away at unity.

            The notion that "well some people won't be happy with whatever we do so let's just decide anyway" is very undemocratic and unprogressive. Happily the selection committee does not appear to have had that notion, though it is clear that you do.

            I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
            Neither is California High Speed Rail

            by eugene on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 01:59:55 PM PDT

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            •  Gee thanks (1+ / 0-)

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              Sharoney

              I kind of wonder how you came to the conclusion:

              The notion that "well some people won't be happy with whatever we do so let's just decide anyway" is very undemocratic and unprogressive. Happily the selection committee does not appear to have had that notion, though it is clear that you do.

              when I clearly stated:

              I wish the selection process had been a bit more open and transparent too

              This blatantly false and gratuitous insult is beneath you.

              I posted the poll to point out that although you or I might find it perfectly reasonable to assume that

              Folks tolerated a crappy hotel and Vegas heat for the first yKos. Surely they'd have embraced a few small, relatively unimportant issues for the sake of going to New Orleans.

              the polling response of 1800 people here disputes that.

              I find it puzzling that you felt the need to resort to a personal attack here.

              Frugal Fridays, where the cheap come to chat.

              by sarahnity on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 02:34:01 PM PDT

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    •  I agree--- (2+ / 0-)

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      nolalily, thankgodforairamerica

      if I knew more about what went into the selection process and found believable the reasons given for not going to New Orleans after her having been the first choice, and on top of this could be assured definitely that New Orleans would be the site of a Netroots Nation 2009, I'd feel more comfortable with Austin's being this year's choice and wouldn't be complaining about it.

      Don't miss my blog! "We are all New Orleans now."--Barbara O'Brien Geauxbama!

      by Louisiana 1976 on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 08:29:02 AM PDT

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      •  i'd be willing to forgo knowledge of the process (0+ / 0-)

        and just be assured we're going to new orleans in 2009

        i understand that it's hard to do something so big on short notice and that no matter what you do some people will be unhappy.

        i wonder if the survey we filled out could have been amended somehow to include an option for grading the preferences to be different if the venue were new orleans

        i know it's too late for that now, but what if a significant plurality or even majority stated that they settle for less convenience/ greater expense to be in new orleans?

  •  We have gotten some (4+ / 0-)

    answers, albeit vague.  I would truly like to speak with someone who's willing to let me ask and them answer.

    My first question would be: Who was on the committee?  Were they from New Orleans?  Was an attempt made to contact New Orleans' kossacks to form a committee/help out/network, etc?

    Next:  What was the venue?  Did they know about and contact other venues?

    Next:  How many people do they anticipate will attend Netroots Nation?

    Then the rest of the questions will follow in suit.

    Also, chigh, reveals that she was an events planner for corporations in New Orleans and would have been great help either to a local New Orleans committee or a Netroots Nation committee.

    White woman over 50 for OBAMA!! (Endorsed 6/07)

    by nolalily on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 07:54:07 AM PDT

  •  Reposting Nolan's comment from yesterday (3+ / 0-)

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    Sharoney, sarahnity, Eddie Haskell

    from Nolalilly's diary:

    I don't like being compared to the debate comm. (8+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:Sharoney, pontificator, nolalily, sarahnity, susie dow, homogenius, Fabian, gloryous1
    Those guys are a monopoly of the two major parties to keep the debates on their terms and without venturing too far off into the world in which regular Americans live (see the difference between British PM debates and our Presidential debates).

    We would have honestly loved to go to NoLa.  I was personally devastated when I realized it wasn't possible.  We wanted to go to NoLa.  We fell victim to the fact that we were booking this convention less than 12 months out, which is a function of our young convention.

    We're going to be looking for 2009+ very soon so we won't have the problem moving into the future (ie we'll plan ahead so aren't over a barrel)

    This jibber-jabber about NoLa not having the facilities for a presidential debate (or 90% of the conventions in this world) is total garbage.  In theory, they could have handled NN, there just wasn't any space available that would work.

    Nolan is the logistics director for NN and if he is available, he will come by and comment.

    While I appreciate people standing up for NOLA, I do not appreciate people accusing the NN organizers of wrongdoing.  When you make those accusations, you are making them to me personally, as I was involved in the final decision, which Nolan describes in detail in his post and in his comment above.  

    I am at work today and will not have time to return to this thread until tonight.  I have been around on DailyKos for years.  I like to think I have a reputation  for honesty and fair dealing.  I like to think that's worht something.  If you think however that, despite that, I'm not being straight with you, then tell me to my face, in a reply to this comment.  I will respond tonight.

    --pontificator    

    •  It's not a matter of "wrongdoing" (2+ / 0-)

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      commonscribe, chigh

      It's just that the process was not handled well. Previous site selections were done with a higher degree of openness. Going to a crappy hotel in Vegas in the summer was controversial, but because the decisions were discussed and made with a lot of openness and inclusion, people understood.

      What you're seeing here isn't the product of malice, but of carelessness and a lack of attention to basic progressive principles of open and inclusive decision making. There wasn't a clear process for Kossacks to provide feedback at every step of the way, and the deliberations were not public. Had they been public, many of the core concerns here - namely, that no adequate explanation for not going to New Orleans has been given - would be easily explained away and this wouldn't be as big of an issue.

      So you screwed up. We all do. I think nolalily had it right when she said she wants to figure things out and work toward a solution, even if the solution comes in 2009. There's no intent, at least among we who've commented here, to attack people's character.

      I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
      Neither is California High Speed Rail

      by eugene on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 08:13:54 AM PDT

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        I will break my promise not to comment because I am at work, but just this once because I really am at work.  

        First, we put a user feedback survey up on the NN website and asked people to fill it out.  The answers to that survey, from people who attended the event but also those who didn;t, greatly informed our choice of venue, as was mentioned in the selection diary.  Complaints from last year regarding spread out space, distance from downtown areas, were taken into account.  So we did solicit feedback.

        Second, we were much more rushed this year than in previous years.  We were an all volunteer organization and didn;t have time to select a venue eary on, before this year's convention.  You can say that's our fault, but remember the unpaid staff had other jobs, were in school, etc., and were burning the candle at both ends to put on YK07.  Anyway, by the time we met at the convention to look at next year, we were in a complete time crunch because of the August DNC Convention, which necessitated that our convention be earlier in the year.  Once you are only 10 months out from your convention, the options are little, and we had to go with what we had.  Additional community feedback in the form of a dailykos diary simply would not have made much of a difference.

        Anyway, now I really do have to go.  Later.

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      Please carry this message to the NN planners:

      Please make a public Request For Proposals now for the 2009 convention site, and start by requesting volunteers to organize local bids and to serve as local contacts for the NN site selection committee.

      That request is something that needs to be FP'd here and on the other blogs. This is a process that needs to be open and well-publicized.
       

      To think is easy. To act is difficult. To act as one thinks is the most difficult of all -Goethe

      by commonscribe on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 08:56:11 AM PDT

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    diary with questions to ask Nolan.  I just got up his email and was going to email him privately.  

    But, maybe it would be better, if Nolan was open to it, if we asked Nolan question right here on dailykos.  Should I post a new diary with questions.

    I think we need to nip this in the bud right now if we can.

    White woman over 50 for OBAMA!! (Endorsed 6/07)

    by nolalily on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 08:14:39 AM PDT

  •  Where to begin.... (4+ / 0-)

    I'm Nolan.  I'm the Logistics Director for this convention and have been since March '05.  You can read about who we all are here.  (and, for the record, I'm a male :) )

    I lead the site selection process and the decision was made by our organizing committee (see link above).

    A few reactions....

    By the way, isn't Austin either the site of, or going to be the site of, the George W. Bush presidential library?

    NOPE.  The GWB library is going to be somewhere else in Texas.  It is, however, home to the LBJ Library and the former home of Molly Ivins.

    Maybe Netroots Nation or at least their convention site selecters are not real progressives who support New Orleans and would hold a convention there. Perhaps this organization has even been infiltrated by BushCo supporters who want to finish in Louisiana the job that Katrina started.

    I take real offense to that.  I would never say you're not a real progressive because you did one thing with which I disagree and while I'll admit this is a large decision (which I had a hand in, but did not make alone), it doesn't warrant personal attacks.

    I'm not sure how many times I can say this but I'll say it again WE WANTED TO GO TO NEW ORLEANS.  I literally traveled to Chicago in August with a contract for a hotel in New Orleans that I had planned to go over with the committee at that time.  I had every reason to believe that is where the 08 convention would be.  I was nearly certain of it.  We didn't have time to go over the contract in Chicago so I prepared a report for the committee after, and it was very quickly obvious when I sat down to write that report that the hotel we had in mind was too small.  The main ballroom could hold about 2/3 of the number of people we expect to have in Austin.  We discussed having the main events broadcast live in overflow rooms but we decided that was simply too much of a burden to put attendees through.  You may disagree, but I hardly think that decision makes us Neo-Cons.

    We went BACK to the New Orleans Convention and Visitors Bureau and tried to find space that would fit us and there was not any available.  It is very easy for you to make claims that we should have tried harder or whatever, but we need a very large ballroom for main events and many breakout rooms of different sizes for several days in a row.  It is not easy to find that kind of space on such a short notice.  There was none available in New Orleans for summer of 2008.

    In fact, the only reason we found space in Austin is because another group canceled their convention around the time we started looking.  It was really a shot in the dark that we got that even got that.

    I understand that you are hurt but please don't dream up tinfoil hat scenarios that involved a BushCo infiltration of NN.

    Finally, if you'd like to contact me, my email is in my profile.  It has been in there for years, feel free to drop me a line.

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      I'm about to email you.

      White woman over 50 for OBAMA!! (Endorsed 6/07)

      by nolalily on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 08:35:30 AM PDT

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      thought-provoking response. First of all, my bad for having said the George W. Bush library was in Austin. I'd recently heard of its being planned and I guess, having missed hearing the city, I'd thought Austin would be a good place for it.

      Also, my apologies for having thought you were female. :)

      As I said in an above post, I only found out about Netroots Nation 2008's being planned for Austin after the fact from an angry NOLA Kossack who'd posted about it and that upset me.

      Then only a few days later I read the distressing news that the Presidential Debate Site Selection Commission has rejected New Orleans. Which made me even sadder and angrier that Netroots Nation had also rejected New Orleans. Because these two hits in a row that New Orleans sustained have been devastating. These are a blow that a recovering city that seriously needs the business and attention would find it hard to stand.

      And after that--back to Netroots Nation--I read your article and was bothered by the gap between your looking at New Orleans and then starting to look elsewhere. So since I hadn't been aware that

      We went BACK to the New Orleans Convention and Visitors Bureau and tried to find space that would fit us and there was not any available... It is not easy to find that kind of space on such a short notice.  There was none available in New Orleans for summer of 2008.

      I wrote what I did. Had I known these things, perhaps I would not have written this diary--or at least would have toned it down and not said some of the things I said in it.

      My apologies for the personal attacks (No, I don't think you're a NeoCon) and for dreaming up

      tinfoil hat scenarios that involved a BushCo infiltration of NN.

      But you have to understand how I'd been feeling between my not having been completely informed as to what exactly happened at NN and my being seriously pissed off over how the presidential debate site selection commission has treated New Orleans. I've been more than a little upset over the past week.  

      So thanks for the fuller explanation for what happened at NN, and please accept my apologies for having said those things.

      Don't miss my blog! "We are all New Orleans now."--Barbara O'Brien Geauxbama!

      by Louisiana 1976 on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 09:10:16 AM PDT

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