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Renowned ex-liberal Mitt Romney, bleeding support in Iowa and New Hampshire as unsatisfied Republicans continue to grope around in the dark for their next Great White Hope, has come out swinging against a suddenly resurgent John McCain:

Romney fired away at McCain, repeatedly accusing the Arizona senator of failing "Reagan 101" by voting twice against Bush administration tax cuts. Romney also said McCain's past support for allowing illegal immigrants to stay in the United States and work toward legal status amounted to amnesty.

I find it especially interesting that Romney invokes the grading system in Reagan 101. I never took the class myself, opting instead to take US History 210: It’s Always Clinton’s Fault. But I have to believe that Romney himself surely failed Introductory Reagan, given that he disavowed the legacy of Reagan-Bush when campaigning in 1994, taking particular pains to underscore the fact that he was an independent during the 1980s, not a Reagan Republican. Here’s a classic ad from the Log Cabin Republicans from Romney’s U.S. Senate campaign:

Pretty nice ad, no? I love it. "For years he's fought conservatives"..."Massachusetts values"..."I don't line up with the NRA"...fabulous stuff.

But I think

"I was an independent during Reagan-Bush...I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush"

is my favorite part.

Straight from the horse's mouth, too.

It’s worth remembering, too, that when Reagan’s handpicked successor, George Bush the Elder, was on the ballot in 1992, Romney opted to vote in the Democratic primary, for Paul Tsongas. He also donated that year to three Democrats (Dick Swett, John LaFalce, and Utah Senate candidate Doug Anderson).

So I’m having a very tough time accepting Mitt Romney as a committed Reaganite. So, apparently, are others...

McCain senior adviser Mark Salter shot back: "Welcome to Mitt Romney's bizarro world, in which everyone is guilty of his sins. He didn't support Ronald Reagan. He didn't support President Bush's tax cuts. ... New Hampshire is onto you, Mitt."

Seriously, though, practically every candidate, particularly those with presidential aspirations, will adapt his or her campaign rhetoric to some degree in order to better appeal to the electorate; almost everyone will show some willingness to move on some key issues in order to maximize their electoral viability. That’s standard operating procedure. We know that.

But I do not think I have ever seen a candidate who has moved so far, so quickly, so shamelessly and so cynically across the political spectrum as Mitt Romney. I say "cynically" because that's what it is; it should be painfully obvious to anyone with clear political vision that Romney's political conversion was borne out of nothing so much as pure calculation. He thought he could win as a conservative, so he became one. If he thought he could win as a pirate, he would have become a pirate.

I suspect that conservatives know, in their heart of hearts, that Romney is not one of them. It is why Romney, despite all his advantages, has still not been able to break out of the Republican field, and why Romney is still in grave danger of losing the nomination to McCain or Huckabee.

Yet a good portion of the Republican electorate, it seems, is perfectly willing to forget all about Mitt Romney 1.0 and Mitt Romney 2.0, paying attention solely to the handsome guy in front of them who says all the right things. They’ll buy the new Romney. They’ll buy his bullshit about his conservative come-to-Reagan moment of revelation, because they really do hate all their other options that much.

It’s striking to see; their conservative purity has painted them into a corner where nobody is acceptable, everybody’s compromised for some reason, so the only option left is to take a telegenic guy, ignore practically everything he has done or said in public life, and delude themselves into thinking he is one of them.

This is not surprising; given that the Republican party has based its political coalition on fear and deception, it was perhaps inevitable that there would come a time when they were forced to deceive themselves into embracing a thoroughly compromised and undesirable candidate (based on their own frenzied fear of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama).

Perhaps Huckabee or McCain will win the nomination (they are teaming up to get rid of Romney), and the Republicans’ willful ignorance and self-delusion will not be so starkly obvious.

But if Mitt Romney does wind up as the GOP candidate, it will be an immensely revealing election for those who had the gall to deride John Kerry as a flip-flopper.  

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:02 AM PST.

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  •  Mitt Romney winning the GOP primary (15+ / 0-)

    will do more for Democrats' success in the general election than whoever wins our nomination.

    •  never underestimate the power of the hair (9+ / 0-)

      especially since, unlike Edwards, it won't be a story in and of itself. you know, cuz iokiyaar.

      •  It's only US HIST 210 at GOP U... (2+ / 0-)
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        nonnie9999, Lobsters

        "It's Always Clinton's Fault" is GOP 210 everywhere else.

        On the other hand, "Dubya, Worst President Ever", is pretty much US HIST 310 everywhere.

        If women are from Venus and men are from Mars, then Democrats are from Earth and Republicans are from Uranus. Ewww. And that Mike Huckabee is "The Huckster."

        by Superskepticalman on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:40:49 AM PST

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        •  You sure about that? (0+ / 0-)

          I think "Dubya, Worst President Ever" is pretty much US HIST 101 everywhere.  

          And wherever it's not, it's just a matter of time before it becomes accepted as incovertible fact.

          •  I am not sure Dubya is the worst (0+ / 0-)

            Herbert Hoover and the bozo that preceded the Civil War should not be left out of consideration for WPE fame.

            Now, in my lifetime, Bush is it, hands down. He is the man for the last 51 years.

            11/7/06. America won. The Republicans lost. Our duty is to earn that trust.

            by Dave from Oregon on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 02:33:52 PM PST

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    •  i don't know.... (8+ / 0-)

      mittsie has an awfully sweet advertising strategery for his campaign!

      larger versions

      I didn't get Jack from Abramoff...I'm not a Republican!

      by nonnie9999 on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:22:28 AM PST

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      •  And NewsMax loves him... (1+ / 0-)
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        Apparently, we've got it ALL wrong!.....

        "No one has revealed that Romney appointed a close friend as police chief who has since been indicted for dealings involving figures with ties to the Mafia, as is the case with Rudy Giuliani. Giuliani did this even though he was warned about red flags in the candidate's background.


        There have been no revelations that Romney commuted or pardoned 1,033 criminals, including 12 murderers, as did Mike Huckabee. Nor did Romney raise taxes. In contrast, by the end of his 10-year tenure, Huckabee was responsible for a 37 percent hike in the sales tax in Arkansas. Spending increased by 65 percent — three times the rate of inflation.


        Unlike Fred Thompson, Romney has not been revealed to have a lazy streak


        Finally, Romney has not been found to have a vicious, out–of-control temper, as is true of John McCain. Nor did he twice oppose President Bush’s tax cuts — a key ingredient in the current the economic recovery — as did McCain.


        With the help of the media, opponents have managed to portray Romney as a flip-flopper. The fact is that while most of the candidates have changed position on some issues, ROMNEY HAS MADE A CLEAR CHANGE ON ONLY ONE ISSUE. While he has always been personally pro-life, like Ronald Reagan, he is a convert to the pro-life position when it comes to public policy.  


        That track record is far more important than his endorsement of Roe v. Wade more than a decade ago during a debate with Sen. Edward M. Kennedy. In fact, even more than Reagan as governor of California, Romney’s actions as governor fit the conservative mold in the most liberal of liberal states."

    •  livosh1 -- (7+ / 0-)

      You are completely correct ... without a doubt ... this guy is our DREAM candidate, yet so many here seem to rejoice in his stumbles. I hate when we do that.  So, who do we want? McCain? The only occupant of this clown car who has a shot in hell?  LAY OFF THE MITTSTER!!!

      Hillary: the GOP's Only Hope

      by Tuffie on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:28:45 AM PST

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      •  if you cant dig up St Ronnie (3+ / 0-)
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        nonnie9999, Lobsters, mommaK

        you can try the Ken Doll approach........

        maybe Mitt can tie his 5 sons to the roof of a car and take them on the family vacation to Paraguay with his new BBF - george hw bush.

        didnt Tweety (who is now completely insane) keep harping on how MAGNIFICIENT Mitt's religion speech was --- and that it would turn the tide in his favor.

        the only Tide it is turning is in the Rinse cycle of the Maytag machine (which is not made in Iowa anymore)...

        btw -- rumor has it that Mitt invented Tide

        He may talk like an idiot, and look like an idiot, but don't let that fool you: he really is an idiot...Groucho Marx

        by distributorcap on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:45:02 AM PST

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      •  If Mitt can somehow pullit off in IA (5+ / 0-)
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        Dunkerque, jxg, Geotpf, nonnie9999, Lobsters

        He may have a shot at holding of McCain in NH.

        Go Mitt. In Mitt we trust!

        I am now going to be more focused on the Republican primary.  If Mitt wins, we win!!!!!!

    •  "I Ran the Olympics, I Can Invade Pakistan!" (6+ / 0-)

      That's almost what Mitt was saying in an embarrassing chat with Colmes on Hannity yesterday.

      And Afghanistan looks a lot like Utah! I've seen pictures! We'll send some missionaries and get it all straightened out.

    •  Yes, Mitt would be fun to run against. (2+ / 0-)
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      Sadly, I don't think even goopers are that dumb, but you never know, I have over-estimated GOP intelligence in the past.

    •  This is the stuff we need to run on Christian (0+ / 0-)

      radio stations if he is the nominee.  We should be thanking Romney for bringing the debate to center if he wins.

      11/7/06. America won. The Republicans lost. Our duty is to earn that trust.

      by Dave from Oregon on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 02:32:08 PM PST

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  •  McCain will be the GOP nominee (10+ / 0-)

    Huckabee is creating panic within the ranks.

    Rudy and Romney are collapsing.

    Thompson is a bozo

    Mccain is all they have left.

    But we will crush McCain, because his persona is not reality.  His approval ratings have nowhere to go but down.

    •  We're not doing ourselves (22+ / 0-)

      any favors by counting out McCain's chances. Give him the right Veep, and he's formidable; he polls best out of the whole sorry lot.

      "People who speak in metaphors should shampoo my crotch." ~- Jack Nicholson

      by MBNYC on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:08:36 AM PST

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      •  I agree (9+ / 0-)

        Despite his staunch conservatism, there are so many more-moderate-than-thou types and even some relatively soft or relatively uninformed liberals who think he is this wonderfully moderate tolerant bipartisan guy.  An image a worshipful media has given him despite his conservatism and despite the fact that they never give such an image to any Dem (except St. Lieberman when he still was one) despite how much more flexible and non-ideological so many Dem politicians are compared to McCain and the GOPers.

        I think people would eventually figure out the truth about the McCain, I just don't want it to be after one or two successfully won or stolen elections for him, like it was with Bush.  

        The only place where Republicans are anywhere close to responsible is in the dictionary.

        by DemDachshund on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:19:30 AM PST

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      •  He does poll the best (2+ / 0-)
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        Rudy does ok, too.

        But it's going to be Huckabee.  His momentum is too strong for the Wall Street types to stop.  The religious wingnut monster is out of it's cage and it can't be stopped.

        ...well, until the general election, at least.  Huckabee will lose 35 states or more.

      •  Right Wing Blogs Hate McCain With a Vengence (3+ / 0-)
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        Geotpf, nonnie9999, Lobsters

        He's like Ron Paul to them because of his lukewarm stands on immigration and rejection of torture.

        But he is dragging around a lot of baggage from the Abramoff scandal. Do any of our candidates have the nerve to say "boo" about corruption with Rahm Emanuel always declaring it a non-issue.

        •  What baggage? (1+ / 0-)
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          What was McCain's baggage regarding the Abramoff scandal?

          •  this is from.... (5+ / 0-)
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            Geotpf, bernardpliers, Lobsters, Ydef, ibinreno

            media matters:

            Take, for example, the article Reuters ran about a forthcoming Vanity Fair article in which former Republican lobbyist and admitted felon Jack Abramoff disclosed that he "worked closely with many top Republicans, despite their claims to the contrary." The Vanity Fair article includes this passage:

               "Mr. Abramoff flatters himself," Mark Salter, McCain's administrative assistant, tells [Vanity Fair contributing editor David] Margolick. "Senator McCain was unaware of his existence until he read initial press accounts of Abramoff's abuses, and had never laid eyes on him until he appeared before the committee."

               Abramoff says, "As best I can remember, when I met with him, he didn't have his eyes shut. I'm surprised that Senator McCain has joined the chorus of amnesiacs."

            The Reuters article about the Vanity Fair piece began: "Disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff said in the latest issue of Vanity Fair magazine that he worked closely with many top Republicans, despite their claims to the contrary."

            Yet Reuters didn't mention John McCain at all, focusing instead on comparatively insignificant Republicans like Sen. Conrad Burns (R-MT) and Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman. The Vanity Fair passage about McCain perfectly fit the premise of the Reuters article -- it shows Abramoff contradicting McCain's claim, through a spokesman, that he had never met Abramoff. If Abramoff is telling the truth, we've learned two things: McCain has ties to one of the most corrupt lobbyists ever to walk the earth, and he's lying about it. McCain is among the most famous Republicans in America, and a leading contender for the party's 2008 presidential nomination.

            I didn't get Jack from Abramoff...I'm not a Republican!

            by nonnie9999 on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 09:01:50 AM PST

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      •  Also, most of the male TV talking heads (4+ / 0-)

        and Broderite columnists have overwhelming man-crushes on McCain. Pretty pathetic, but it would help drive the campaign narrative, and not to our advantage.

      •  You're Right (4+ / 0-)
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        jxg, nonnie9999, MBNYC, Lobsters

        We should not forget that McCain has cross-party support and does not have the flip-flop problem other candidates have, because he has been consistent to his own detriment within his party.

        With Hillary rumored to be going outside the current candidates for a Veep (Bob Kerrey - war hero) I would not be surprised if McCain does get the nod to do the same to balance his ticket with a surprise Veep candidate (African American or a woman).

      •  agree (0+ / 0-)

        he would crush Hillary...he gives on-the-fence indies the candidate they want, because a large bit of them would look for any reason at all to not vote for Hillary.

        McCain has no close affiliation w/ the religious nut jobs, he believes we are causing global warming and he would cease torture. All these appealto indies.

        I honestly believe Hillary would continue torture, albeit in a more "professionally" run manner, if she thought it would get her more support and allow her to appear more "tough". To Hillary everything is a political decision, not a decision based on her own principles. I say all this with great sadness and disappointment.

        As a side would be funny for McCain to run that Romney ad in its entirety, and, at the end, give the "I'm John McCain and i approve this message" comment.

        •  I disagree ... (0+ / 0-)

          I think Hillary does, believe it or not, have cross party appeal.  Witness the moderates that are leaving the repub party because they feel it's been hijacked by the far right on immigration.  They tend, more often than not, to support Hillary.  

          Yes, McCain might be her toughest challenger, but I believe it would be close and in the end the apathy of those on the right that vehemently despise McCain, and his age will be factors.

          Nor do I believe Hillary would continue torture.  I believe her political calculations to be what they are, strict calculations by a political pro to get into office.  Like the article said:

          "practically every candidate, particularly those with presidential aspirations, will adapt his or her campaign rhetoric to some degree in order to better appeal to the electorate;"  

          But I believe her when she says that she's the same person she's been for her last 35 years in political life and have a hard time buying that this anti-war (growing up), hippie girl from the sixties would in the long run compromise her principles on such a key issue as torture.  The fact remains, despite what the pro-torture wingnuts and their propaganda apologists in the CIA would have you believe, torture does NOT work ... something the FBI has been aware of for decades.  It just requires a dem to be elected to office that will bring emphasis to this fact to expose it to be the sham that it is.

      •  You've missed the point (0+ / 0-)

        He polls well now, but that's because people don't really know him.

        He's got nowhere to go but down.

    •  Rudy's dragging an Oxycontin ball and chain.. (6+ / 0-)

      NYT on Rudy & Oxycontin - see :  

      Romney's spooked because he seems to be reenacting his father's political mistakes.

      McCain has said some pretty nutty things though.

    •  The cancer really disfigured his face (1+ / 0-)
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      And that ugly graft seems to be collecting fluid

    •  McCain will do the crushing (4+ / 0-)
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      digno dave, CParis, nonnie9999, Lobsters

      At least if he's running against HRC.  He will get the GOP base AND many indies and moderate democrats.  And since Bushco and the media have whitewashed the situation in Iraq, people won't notice that he's trying to resolve his Vietnam issues by "winning" in Iraq.  

      "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

      by Subterranean on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:54:41 AM PST

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  •  Romney's toast (6+ / 0-)

    . . . here's a guy who pisses sincere people from every point on the spectrum.

    Good riddance to bad rubbish.

  •  I sense (6+ / 0-)

    Straight from the horse's mouth, too. unjust maligning of horses.

    "People who speak in metaphors should shampoo my crotch." ~- Jack Nicholson

    by MBNYC on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:07:00 AM PST

  •  Multiple-choice Mitt (8+ / 0-)

    I love that nickname, it perfectly captures the guy. Never know who he is from decade to decade.

    Heck, if he gets elected, it might not even be so bad. He's a kinda conservative now, maybe in the 2010s he'd revert or reinvent to a faux lib?

    Then again, he could just go deeper into the wingnut/asshat jungle of ridiculousness.

    I'm with the Union Leader (and when's the last time I could say that with a straight face? try, like, never?)

  •  Huckabee is a joke (12+ / 0-)

    He just demanded that Musharraf end emergency rule --(it ended two weeks ago)

    The Seminole Democrat
    A blue voice calling from the deep red

    by SemDem on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:07:12 AM PST

  •  The conservative purity is right (7+ / 0-)

    nobody is acceptable

    Didn't Reagan cut & run from Lebanon? Not very Reaganesque.

  •  Now all we need are action dolls.. (3+ / 0-)
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    Rolfyboy6, Troutfishing, Lobsters

    hehe.. oh and you could design a computer game and keep patching it.. Mitt is kinda like a piece of Microsoft Software.. constantly in need of patching..

  •  an alternative view (4+ / 0-)
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    Dunkerque, Rolfyboy6, Geotpf, Lobsters

    Romney's best chance against McCain is that so many Republicans see McCain as a turncoat, a collaborator.  And it's not like McCain hasn't done his share of pandering this season, either.  

    The only reason Romney even got a second look from anyone is that all the other candidates suck so bad.  I honestly think Huckabee is going to walk off with this one, despite the best efforts of the Moneyed Interests to stop him (and it's still not quite clear to me why they dislike him, anyway).  

    The company you keep says a lot about the person you are.

    by Leggy Starlitz on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:09:31 AM PST

  •  Aw, that's mean! (2+ / 0-)
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    Rolfyboy6, Lobsters

    Republicans continue to grope around in the dark for their next Great White Hope

  •  Romney for President! (6+ / 0-)

    If he thought he could win as a pirate, he would have become a pirate.

    I have to admit, if Romney became a pirate, I'd probably vote for him.

    On a related note, has Johnny Depp decided to run or not?

  •  "Regan 101"- a highway? (4+ / 0-)
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    Rolfyboy6, mcfly, citizenx, Lobsters

    The Redwood Highway is US 101.  Is "Reagan 101" what the GOPers will call this highway after they cut down all those look-alike ancient redwoods like Reagan seemed to want?

    The only place where Republicans are anywhere close to responsible is in the dictionary.

    by DemDachshund on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:11:27 AM PST

  •  Johnny Depp for President?!!! (4+ / 0-)

    I think it's about time we had a Pirate running for President. He might want to tone down the mascara just a tad....oh, and his* dad's past drug use, you might want to scrutinize that to make sure nothing gets overlooked that could become an october surprise.

    *his character's dad, i.e. keith richards, in case anyone's wondering what the heck i'm babbling about

  •  Romney is a salesman and that is (3+ / 0-)
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    the extent to which he will act as the "executive" if he is elected.

    His comments on what to do with Pakistan were really interesting.  He said that he would assemble a team of smart people to work it out.  A salesman sells a team of "smart people" to a potential client.  Salesmen will often say that they are just the sales guy - not the actual worker bee - either directly or in a statement much like those he made about Pakistan. It sounded so much like Bush in 2000 that it was erie and on top of that he invoked Reagan numerous times - an akward number of times in the relatively short interview.  I can't remember though which network he was on - it was probably CNN - but I took in too many hours of news to remember exactly when and where I saw him interviewed.

  •  On McCain (1+ / 0-)
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    Mitt may still have a shot if he can get the Repuglican spin machine to get behind him.  All he needs is Rush to start endorsing him and the repug sheep will fall in line.  

    As for McCain, here in AZ, his home state about 60% of us don't like him and there is actually a recall effort going on against him.  

    Hello Huckabee.

  •  He's the least of several evils (2+ / 0-)
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    Rolfyboy6, Lobsters

    for the Republicans.  Huckabee alientates the Wall Street Journal and neo-con crowd, they don't trust McCain on campaign finance, immigration, and tax cuts, Guliani is even a bigger flip-flopper, and Thompson, well, is Thompson.

    If Hillary Clinton wins, the Democratic Party loses.

    by Paleo on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:14:01 AM PST

  •  ex-liberal Mitt Romney (6+ / 0-)

    can we please use this phrase a few million times?

    "Sex on the City" is no longer needed...

    but "Ex-Liberal Mitt Romney" could be very useful right now

  •  Actually, Mitt will probably be OK... (4+ / 0-)
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    Dunkerque, Rolfyboy6, flygrrl, Lobsters he has figured out that the only thing that means anything is appearance, courtesy of your latest campaign ads and speeches.  Reality means nothing.  The Big Lie always wins, because The Big Lie is so big, most people can't wrap their minds araound that fact that it is a lie, because it's just so big...

    •  I don't know why... (2+ / 0-)
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      CParis, Lobsters

      Romney didn't switch parties and become a Democrat.  Had a he done so, he'd never have had to flip-flop and if he'd chosen to run for president he'd probably be a pretty attractive candidate.  Running as a repug, he looks just like all the other weasels.

      •  Maybe because... (2+ / 0-)
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        Geotpf, flygrrl

        ...he is rich AND likes to get tax cuts (as opposed to being rich and having principles...)

        •  That's an interesting thought, but... (1+ / 0-)
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          Really rich people have lawyers and accountants that keep them from paying too much in taxes.  Any benefit he'd see from that would be negligible compared to actually being a viable candidate for president.  As has been discussed elsewhere, McCain is probably the only repug with a chance of being elected, but even he has so many negatives that ain't gonna happen.

          •  Since when do Republicans... (2+ / 0-)
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            Geotpf, flygrrl

            ...see past their naked greed?

            I agree about McCain.  The rest are sure losers...

            •  Your average republican... (1+ / 0-)
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              ...can't "see past their naked greed."  But Romney isn't your average republican.  He got elected in MA because spoke about having really progressive opinions, stuff average republicans would never think of supporting.  I don't think he's motivated by greed.  I think he's motivated by power.  I wouldn't vote for him under any circumstances, but I think he missed an opportunity is all I'm saying.

  •  Return with us now to those bygone days (7+ / 0-)

    of Reagan-Bush:

    Tax cuts leading to record defecits?  Check.

    Ill-considered missions leading to unnecessary military deaths?  Got it.

    Massive selloff of public weal to well-healed donors?  Right with you.

    Sorry, Mitty, we're already there.  Better come up with something new.

    Nanotech can take CO2 and make diamonds & fresh air. I'm Lou--who are YOU?

    by Crashing Vor on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:17:36 AM PST

  •  It's only flip-flopping for Dems. With Pubs, it's (4+ / 0-)
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    "a careful and necessary course realignment after diligent consideration of the facts."

  •  Liars (4+ / 0-)

    Liars can succeed in politics.  But they have to be good liars.  Mitt Romney is a really, really, really bad liar.  

  •  Reagan 101 (8+ / 0-)

    That implies that there are courses in the Reagan curriculum that are above the 101 level.

    What would those be, exactly?  "Advanced Topics in Mental Hospital Mass Discharge Programs," perhaps?  "Quantum Physics for Actors Who Work With Monkeys?"

    "Resist all the urges that make you wanna go out and kill."

    by The Termite on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:19:12 AM PST

  •  Mitt-witt is a shapeshifter. (3+ / 0-)
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    Rolfyboy6, Geotpf, Lobsters

    I do not think I have ever seen a candidate who has moved so far, so quickly, so shamelessly and so cynically across the political spectrum as Mitt Romney.

    It's so obvious, even the rethugs who are determined to delude themselves should be unable to hide from it.

    Our troops won the war. Bush lost the peace.

    by snazzzybird on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:20:30 AM PST

  •  I Gotta Say (6+ / 0-)

    payback's a bitch, huh?

    It's so nice to see the Republicans tearing themselves apart, going after one another like this and being forced to accept compromisers, flip-floppers and affirmed hypocrites.

    If we're lucky, they'll be at each others throats like this for the next decade or more (though it might result in our facing more candidates like McCain, who have the appearance of reasonability, "centrism", and independence).

  •  Support for McCain (1+ / 0-)
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    Although I look forward to voting for Obama and strongly disagree with McCain on many issues, I have concluded that McCain would be the best republican choice for president. He has something that Romney appears to completely lack: integrity.

  •  Mealy mouthed Mitt (4+ / 0-)
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    From Newshounds:

    A few minutes later, at about 6:27 in the video below, Alan Colmes asked, "You said a couple of times today, including just a few moments ago to Rich that a good president’s gonna have people in State he or she can depend on and State Department knows what foreign policy is. State Department – our State Department – back in October, when Bhutto was going back (to Pakistan) was saying, ‘You know this is possibly a recipe for disaster because her turbulent past would further inflame an already volatile country.’ Should the president have listened to those bureaucrats at State who were saying those things?"

    Romney replied, "Well, of course, any president is going to listen to the widest array of voices about the risks inherent in any potential strategy. You know, in a setting like this, you’re not looking for a person who has all the answers, themselves. Instead, you’re looking for an individual who knows how to make very difficult decisions, based upon gathering data and analysis directly from the scene, gathering information from people who have extensive experience in the region, first hand contact with leaders in other parts of the world, and then looking at different options and selecting which option is the best, based upon that analysis. And that’s the process you want to see. And that’s the process I’ve engaged in the business world, at the Olympics, and as a governor."

    In other words, he couldn’t answer the question.

    Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

    by bumblebums on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:25:16 AM PST

  •  The myth of St. Ronnie (6+ / 0-)
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    It's kind of fascinating to watch them invoke the sainted Reagan, declaring that he would have supported everything Bush has done. Reagan, unlike Bush, raised taxes after it turned out that cutting them did explode the deficit. As has been pointed out on numerous occasions, if you put another name on the real Reagan's record, he wouldn't be "conservative" enough to get out of single digits this year.

  •  Tax cuts (1+ / 0-)
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    The particulars are as important as his switches.
    He condemns McCain for voting against the Bush tax cuts.
    The (second) excuse for these cuts was that they would make the economy grow faster. In fact, they were followed by slower growth than the immediately previous period. (Not up to the post-war average, either.)

    The reactionary right defends them in terms of the economy's growing, but the economy grew during every presidential term -- almost every year -- since 1948. The argument comes down to: "Bush cut taxes on the rich, and the economy did not come to an abrupt halt."
    Look at the history here.

    The US has spent twice the amount in real dollars rebuilding Iraq that we spent rebuilding Japan after WWII. Vanity Fair

    by Frank Palmer on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:26:04 AM PST

    •  The thing you have to understand (2+ / 0-)
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      is that those are excused for the tax cuts, not reasons for them. As with all conservative policy, it's not about looking at the evidence and making a rational decision, it's about deciding what you want (such as tax cuts for your contributors) and looking for evidence to support it.

      (Actually, as your source illustrates, "evidence" is too strong a word. They're just looking for an explanation that seems plausible to people who aren't going to think about it too hard.)

  •  The Republicans are so screwed. (2+ / 0-)
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    Very nice diary brownsox.

  •  The trad media made Bush into a manly (2+ / 0-)
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    manager; a self-made man; a compassionate conservative a moderate and a good Christian, in spite of the fact that his track record was clearly there as a substance abusing incompetent who left a trail of  ruined businesses behind him.

    I have no confidence at all that Multiple Choice Mitt can't be transformed into a "pragmatic neo-Reaganite.

    The President is telling everyone he was provided with faulty intelligence. Yeah, well, DNA is a bitch. -- Will Durst.

    by ajbrown on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:26:53 AM PST

  •  Talented politician. (2+ / 0-)
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    He'd have to be in order to say some of these things with a straight face.

    Whenever I get frustrated by the hostility on the Left over our primaries, it's nice to take a break and have my batteries recharge while watching these *. I have some respect for McCain and Huckabee (for different reasons, obviously), but they're mostly yahoos, on the Right.

    The victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory.

    by Pacifist on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:27:17 AM PST

  •  It's going to be Huckabee (1+ / 0-)
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    He's leading in Iowa, South Carolina, and nationally, and is skyrocketing in the polls in every state, even in ones he doesn't yet lead.  He'll probably lose in New Hampshire to Romney (in fact, he's currently in fourth there), but that's fairly meaningless if he takes South Carolina (and he has a very obvious shot in Michigan and Florida).  He might even take California, especially if he does well in the pre-Super-Duper-Tuesday states.  Rudy will take New York, but that's his home state.  I don't think McCain will take much, and, other than New Hampshire, neither will Romney.

  •  McCain is by far the strongest GOP candidate (3+ / 0-)
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    because of his veteran POW hero status that makes it impossible for anybody to level an attack ad at him without looking like the really bad guy.  That's why the Romney campaign in finished.  How can Romney be called such a genius business mind when he has wasted about $30 million on a campaign that anybody could've seen was hopeless from the start.

    •  At the moment (2+ / 0-)
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      However, his national campaign collapses the day the Shiites decide they don't like the Sunnis we have bribed and the entire success of the "surge" collapses.

      The wise are driven by reason; ordinary minds, by experience; the stupid, by necessity, and brutes by instinct. Cicero

      by MoDem on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 09:04:25 AM PST

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      •  Yes, that's true too (0+ / 0-)

        at $12 billion/month from a blank check borrowed from the CHI-COM COMMIE BASTARDS(and anybody who borrows a single dollar from a communist is a communist for life and should be executed without trial according to GOPs circa 1952-1989) they've got plenty of money to bribe the Sunnis.

  •  Nice article (8+ / 0-)

    Having lived in MA for a couple years, I can say he's neither liberal nor conservative.  He's not independent, either.  He's a hollow shell full of garbage.

    He's a selfish, power-hungry, money-grubbing, compromised political whore.  Bizarrely, the only reason he's in politics at all is for politics itself:  the money, the power, the elitism.  Whatever it is that brings life to his limp chimp dick.

    MA voters are hopelessly cynical but they're not completely stupid.  A GOP Governor who stands for nothing was a decent foil to a corrupt, mob-run Democratic state legislature.  He sure stunk the place up, but it was an upgrade from the Cellucci/Swift disaster (not that that's saying much) and a guy for whom corruption is an end unto itself (not a means to an end) doesn't do nearly as much damage as a frothy-mouthed neocon.

    OK, the surge worked, Iraq is now a happy land. Can we go home now? Why not?

    by Dragonchild on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:28:10 AM PST

    •  I still think we could have beaten him (0+ / 0-)

      if we'd nominated Birmingham or Robert Reich, instead of Shannon O'Brien.

      I supported Reich, personally.

      Joe Lieberman likes to be called an "Independent Democrat". I like being called a "sexual dynamo".

      by Arjun Jaikumar on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 10:28:34 AM PST

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  •  Flip Flopper Whiners: Already revealed (1+ / 0-)
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    Hasn't it become fairly obvious, the hypocrisy of the babbling media? We KNOW they won't accuse Der Fuhrer 2.0 of anything more than being 'Reagan-esque" and Stately, and, "Not a Bitch".

    Bringing up Kerry in reference to Mitt's flipping will only enable them to say "Look how much more Natural he is".

  •  "Willful ignorance" (2+ / 0-)
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    For most of the Repubs I've come across, the painful truth seems to be they "willfully" chose to be born semi-retarded.  There's a huge difference between willful ignorance and genetically mandated ignorance.

  •  But I don't WANNA be a pirate! (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Runs in the Party (5+ / 0-)
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    in 1992, Romney opted to vote in the Democratic primary, for Paul Tsongas.

    I did not know that. Another of the GOP candidates who is falsely trying to portray himself as a loyal Republican also had a lapse in loyalty.

    In 1994 then Republican Mayor Giuliani strongly supported the incumbent Democratic Governor Mario Cuomo against Republican George Pataki.  

    Unfortunately for Rudy former Senator Al D’Amato has not let him forget that lapse in loyalty and refuses to endorse him.

  •  didnt Mitt (1+ / 0-)
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    jump in and save Reagan from Hinckley's bullet?

    He may talk like an idiot, and look like an idiot, but don't let that fool you: he really is an idiot...Groucho Marx

    by distributorcap on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:41:12 AM PST

  •  Reagan raised taxes... (1+ / 0-)
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    Lobsters 1985, after it was apparent that his tax cuts had created a fiscal mess.  If only bush had done the same.  If only Romney acknowledged that Reagan raised taxes, and that a responsible republican candidate would advocate the same.

  •  STOP (2+ / 0-)
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    Now is not the time to mock Willard.

    Romney is the Republicans best choice; we should quiver and quake about how unbeatable and presidential the great man from Massachussets is.  Hell, if he gets nominated then it doesn't matter.  We will lose.  He appeals to religious conservatives and gays; people who are pro-choice and anti-choice.

    Treat him like the Repubs treated Kerry in 04.  Nothing but praise about "electabilty" until AFTER he gets the nomination.

    Then, boy oh boy, I hope we have Edwards v. Romney -- we will win 38+ states.

  •  The McCain Advisor quote is downright cocky (2+ / 0-)
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    McCain senior adviser Mark Salter shot back: "Welcome to Mitt Romney's bizarro world, in which everyone is guilty of his sins. He didn't support Ronald Reagan. He didn't support President Bush's tax cuts. ... New Hampshire is onto you, Mitt."

    They got some confidence coming into the big game. I can tell.

  •  HA HA! (1+ / 0-)
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    As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, ...

    That is more meaningful than anything Willard has ever said.

    "In a free country, we punish men for the crimes they commit, but never for the opinions they have."

    by calipygian on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:47:48 AM PST

  •  brownsox (3+ / 0-)
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    If Romney runs as a vampire, I might have to consider him.

    "There is nothing more stimulating than a case where everything goes against you." S.H.

    by Carnacki on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:50:04 AM PST

  •  He probably won't be the nominee (1+ / 0-)
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    But I'd love to see Obama or Edwards run against this tool.  He'd be dog-meat.

    I fear McCain, because so many democrats like him.  HRC vs. McCain is my nightmare match.

    "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

    by Subterranean on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:50:50 AM PST

  •  Stop worrying about Romney. (0+ / 0-)

    He looked credible against Kennedy for a time, until people looked beyond his 'pretty face' and considered his character. With millions to spend, marketable good looks and a willingness to lie through your teeth, anyone could scrape together support from a few uninformed voters. His support will collapse eventually. It would be very entertaining if he were the nominee though...
    ----view from a MA resident.

    Support democracy at home and abroad, join the ACLU and Amnesty International Your voice is needed!

    by tnichlsn on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 09:07:30 AM PST

  •  It'll be McCain (0+ / 0-)

    It may go all the way to the convention, however, if the primaries remain close.  But, McCain will be the consensus candidate.

    His choice of veep (and Dem opponent, of course) will be the determining factor, I believe, in his chance to win the presidency.

    In a McCain/Lieberman vs. Clinton/anybody race, McCain kicks her ass.  He's the one candidate that will bring out stay at home voters, and the only Repub that independents will vote for because of his experience and record of compromise, but mostly because of a hatred for Hillary.

  •  McCain likely to be candidate after all. (0+ / 0-)

    The way Giuliani is self-destructing and Romney is looking like an empty suit, McCain's numbers are rising again.

    That Romney is attacking McCain would indicate Romney's internal polling shows McCain as the real threat.

    McCain makes a good electability argument as the polls show him the most competitive vs. leading Democrats.

    Best candidate vs. McCain will be Obama because Obama can argue he got Iraq right and McCain got it wrong. Toss in Webb as Obama's running mate and Democrats can win in 2008 and win with the leader who got Iraq right.

  •  Wow... (0+ / 0-)

    a bigger bunch of asshats I have never seen.

    This group of GOP contenders.  Good Gawd!

  •  Belay that bilge! (3+ / 0-)
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    If he thought he could win as a pirate, he would have become a pirate.

    I served wi' sea dogs. I know sea dogs. Sea dogs be shipmates o' mine. He`s nay sea dog!

    •  avast ye mateys (1+ / 0-)
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      Captain McCain doesn't keep to the Code.

      Says only 2300 pieces of 8 per candidate.  Aaargh.

      And he's not afraid of the Brown People.

      He'll be swabbing the poop deck on February 6 I guarantee.

      Enterpriser; Hard core Libertarian: +6.63 / -4.41

      by jimsaco on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 11:06:33 AM PST

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  •  He will be the nominee, because he's who (0+ / 0-)

    the power structure wants.  Pro business, fascist type guy.  The teeth and hair only help.  Mitt won't even bother campaigning here in Mass because he knows he won't carry the state.  

  •  George Bush has really put the party in a corner (1+ / 0-)
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    Does anyone remember the 2000 election? John McCain said Roe v. Wade had been the law for 30 years and that he didn't want to upend it. He called Falwell and Robertson 'agent of intolerance'. Mitt Romney had in '94 had tun as a candidate who would be pro-choice and be stronger on gay rights than Ted freaking Kennedy. Fred Thompson lobbied on behalf of pro-choice groups in the 90's. Rudy Giuliani, in '96, gave a very good speech at NYU on the need for immigration reform and a path to citizenship. Its where he said, "if you come here and work hard, we WANT you".

    All the Republicans had to do was not nominate, in 2000, the second coming of Richard Nixon. But they did. What a fucking tragedy!

    p.s: Ron Paul was always a racist, so fuck him.  

    "Party like a rock star, hammer like a porn star, rake like an all-star!"

    by crazymoloch on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 09:38:12 AM PST

    •  Yes, and in that corner... (0+ / 0-)

      There is only one piece of furniture, a commode.

      And not a scrap of asswipe anywhere to be found.

      The fool who thinks he is a fool is for that very reason a wise man; But the fool who thinks he is a wise man is rightly called a fool.

      by chanbo on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 11:01:08 AM PST

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  •  Support your local greasy haired robot! (0+ / 0-)

    As much as the Rom-bot makes my skin crawl, we should all hope and pray he is the nominee. All these old videos on him when he was a "liberal", showing what a liar he is, will be such sweet, sweet, sweet fruit in the hands of people making TV commercials for us.

    I of course, will support whichever one of our candidates gets the nomination. But I am worried about either Huckabee, or McCain.  I think both of them pretty much believe what they say, and either will do far better against us that the greasy haired robot king of flip flops!

  •  Romney is next but right now....I am trying to... (1+ / 0-)
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    Up-end the campaign of Rudy Giuliani.  He is parked in my State of FL while all the others, Dems and Reps alike are all up there in the first three states campaigning their hearts out.  Somehow, Joe Scarborough and Chris Matthews think that Rudy is the Saviour of the Republican Party.  

  •  Consevative "Heart of hearts" (3+ / 0-)
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    I think your analysis is incorrect here.  I think conservatives truly believe that the Romney of today is the Romney that they will see as President.

    Many liberal bloggers don't give enough credit to conservatives and Republicans on knowledge of candidates, issues, and past campaigns.  They know Romney had to say those things to get elected in Massachusetts.

    Sit down with any bonafide Republican who votes in every election, and he/she will cite chapter and verse of the positions of their various candidates and Presidents.  For instance, they'll tell you that George H. W. Bush was pro-choice, and that he used this position at various times in his career to appear more moderate.  But once he started campaigning for President in 1988, he moved solidly to the Republican political pro-life position.  Republican voters know this shit.  They're also extremely likely to see Romney as a GHW Bush like candidate.

    The thing that concerns Republicans is not whether Romney will appoint judges in the mold of Alito and Thomas... they know he would if elected.  What concerns Republican voters is getting tarred with the flip flopper label.  Every Democratic 527 is going to be airing ads about Romneys flip flops.  And Republicans, rightfully so, fear that this will alienate independents and some of their most hardcore evangelical voters.

    Again, I believe that generally the liberal blogosphere under-appreciates the role that "electability" plays on the Republican side.  Koolaid drinking isn't the only factor Republican voters use in choosing their candidates.

    •  "under-appreciates" is being kind.. (1+ / 0-)
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      the liberal blogosphere thinks any conservative (and most independents for that matter) is perhaps one evolutionary cycle above a slug.  

      If conservatives were mindless idiots that followed blindly, why is there such a lively run for the primaries from such a disparate group?  Instead of calling the Republican party in disarray, I would think it would be more prudent to be wary of a party that is stretching itself to be more inclusive.

  •  How many Mitt-heads are there in Iowa? (0+ / 0-)

    A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man. - Jebediah Springfield

    by kitebro on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 10:22:28 AM PST

  •  great stuff! (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm truly excited by the possiblity of the Mittster pulling this nomination off (with the support of a whopping 25-30% of the republican electorate). The guy's such a phoney, it's laughable.

    I picture a huge majority of Americans saying simply "I wasn't born yesterday, asshole" and laughing Mitt off the national stage.

    "People hate Bush and hate this war. It's that simple, and it's been true for quite some time" - Atrios

    by atrexler on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 10:41:34 AM PST

  •  Reaganomics 101 (0+ / 0-)

    Piss on the middle class and some of it will surely trickle down onto the poor.

    The fool who thinks he is a fool is for that very reason a wise man; But the fool who thinks he is a wise man is rightly called a fool.

    by chanbo on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 10:52:23 AM PST

  •  you sir are no pirate (1+ / 0-)
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    Larry Kestenbaum

    I know pirates. Many friends of mine are pirates. You, Mitt Romney, are no pirate.

  •  That ad was put out by The Gays (1+ / 0-)
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    Don't piss the Log Cabin Republicans off! Boy they were angry when Romney underwent his conservative conversion. I normally don't give props to my gay Republican brothers and sisters but on this ad they did a damned good job.

    He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing - Mua'dib

    by Shane Hensinger on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 11:16:16 AM PST

  •  Romney and the GOP confuse me (0+ / 0-)

    I've been watching politics for 25 years, and the one thing you could say about the Republicans is that they expected TRUE BELIEVERS. They used to stake their lives on it. On ' Authenticity'. They REALLY didn't trust Bush 41, but because he was Reagan's VP, they gave him the benefit of the doubt. When he raised taxes, they went ' SEE! I KNEW he wasn't really ONE OF US!'

    The whole Romney thing makes no sense to me. They can't point to anything that makes this guy authentic.

    Gingrich lacks moral fiber, but he's one of them.
    McCain gets on their nerves because they can't control him, but, vote by vote, he's one of them.
    Huckabee IS one of them, but he's a Populist one of them, which drives the Establishment nuts.
    Rudy is NOT one of them, which also makes his stance in the polls confusing to me.

    If the GOP nominates either Rudy or Flipping Mitt, they will be throwing away what I have come to learn about them in the 25 years I have been following politics. And, I will no longer know what the GOP stands for - and I mean that.

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