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UK Troop Withdrawal Truth Finally Now Revealed

Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 05:35:13 AM PDT

So, earlier in the week, I tried to combat the misinterpretation surrounding the announcement of UK troop withdrawals from Iraq.

It was a smoke and mirrors game, I suggested. All that was really being committed for withdrawal was fifteen hundred. The remainder were vague "aspirational" suggestions and, as the Ministry of Defence unnnamed source explained: "if conditions worsen, this process could still slow up".

Despite a deliberate silence on the matter from the UK government when questioned about it earlier in the week, I suggested it was just a shuffling of extremely limited troop resources from Iraq to the Afghanistan theatre of war.

Today, it appears that final confirmation is now being given to the view expressed by me that the whole affair was  propaganda – and, sadly, very effective propaganda, that many on both the Left and Right have accepted as a true portrayal of what is happening in reality.

Commenting on  my diary, a poster asked:

Thanks for your diary
Here's a point from Josh Marshall. Why are these troops coming home rather than being moved into other areas of Iraq?

In the absence of any further information from the Ministry of Defence, I could only speculate in my response:

My suggested explanation.
Firstly, a certain amount of troops will be added to help in Baghdad, particularly specialist forces.

Secondly, a significant number of troops will remain in Iraq to protect the Iran/Iraq border and to oversee the Iraqi forces.

The third explanation, though, is the strongest. This depleted and tired army will return home for a period. It will then be used in rotation for, and to increase the number in, Afghanistan.

If you recall, Bush has already just had to increase US forces in that country. To add UK troops there by taking them out of Iraq, even if it means moving some US forces to the South of Iraq, will remove the need for further US commitment to Afghanistan - at the moment.

It is a zero cost game involving the juggling of overall numbers that has a nice political bonus for a faithful ally.

In some circles it is known as a three card trick.

Just as Josh Marshall was puzzled, the next day the Huffington Post headlined the story:

Pentagon Contradicts WH's Upbeat View Of British Iraq Exit

The Bush administration hastened to present the British decision as an indication that the U.S.-led military operation was succeeding. Vice President Dick Cheney called the reduction "an affirmation of the fact that there are parts of Iraq where things are going pretty well," and White House Press Secretary Tony Snow said the U.S.-led coalition "remains intact" even though the roster of nations contributing troops, excluding the U.S., has fallen to 25 from 35.

But the Pentagon, in its most recent quarterly report to Congress, listed Basra as one of five cities outside Baghdad where violence remained "significant," and said the region was one of only two "not ready for transition" to Iraqi authorities.

Finally, we learn today, that this juggling of over stretched military resources is indeed what it is all about. Today, Sky News is reporting a Guardian story that on Monday the Ministry of  Defence will be announcing the deployment of over thousand extra troops to Afghanistan.

Troop Numbers Set To Rise
Updated: 11:44, Friday February 23, 2007

More than 1,000 extra British troops are to be sent to Afghanistan to combat an expected spring offensive by the Taliban, Sky sources have learned.

Defence Secretary Des Browne is expected to announce the deployment on Monday. A Ministry of Defence spokesman said that the report was speculation, adding any changes would be announced to Parliament "in the usual way".

Sky's Defence Analyst Francis Tusa said a rise in British troop numbers would be "no surprise".
He said: "Firstly it was known from when the deployment in Helmand began that the initial force was undermanned.

"Then the risk of a Taliban spring offensive and the problems of getting other NATO nations to join in means that extra troops were absolutely inevitable."

From outside the Ministry of Defence, Sky's Paul Harrison said an additional "several hundred" troops on top of the 800 already announced would match the 1,600 Tony Blair has announced are returning from Iraq.

In effect, he pointed out, the same number of British forces would be on duty abroad.

The real "withdrawal" from Iraq is just a vague promise that in reality is no different than the "when the job is complete" statements of Bush. (I recorded an interesting change in the expected Parliamentary statement that probably came from the Downing Street off-the-record breakfast briefing when it had been suggested that he would be mentioning May 2008 as an "aspirational" date for final withdrawal. Almost certainly, the White House made the telephone very hot and stopped this being part of the statement.)

Thus, by the end of the week, we have had a highly successful piece of propaganda. The sad and discredited Blair has been able to claim British success in Iraq to justify his involvement there, just before the May elections and his own leaving office in the Summer, all for the price of a reshuffling of troops.

In the States, the White House has been able to claim that this is all a sign of success in Iraq whilst disguising the need for even further troop reinforcements to meet the worsening situation in Afghanistan.

As I write this, the Conservative Defence Spokesman, Lliam Fox, is on television accusing Blair of cowardice in not mentioning the Afghanistan increase when announcing the decrease in Iraq. This is not an anti-war stance – the Conservatives support the invasion of Iraq – but purely for political reasons.

It is all words in the air. The story of British withdrawal has taken hold, has been sufficiently accepted to enter the public consciousness on both sides of the Atlantic. Blair has achieved his aims, Bush has not had had much difficulty in presenting it as an achievement and "the fog of war" continues to divert attention.

The oddity is that we on the left have actually given credence to this whole thing because we wanted to use it for our own propaganda linked to our opposition to the "surge" and our desire to find a non-existent rift between Washington and Downing Street.

Why is it important? I said in my original diary that it was a forewarning of what will happen in the run up to the 2008 elections, showing how a false success can be so easily constructed even in the face of the reality of a disaster.

Of equal importance, however, is that our acceptance at face value of this story, in order to seek a short-term, knee-jerk opportunity to try and gain some perceived spin of our own, has diverted us from the real failure of the Bush administration. It is proof positive of the extent to which the Iraq invasion has resulted in our failure to deal effectively with al Qaeda in the country in which they are based.

Our blogs need to backtrack from their claims that there is a rift between the British and the United States governments, need to backtrack from their claims that we are no longer supporting the Bush war policy and need to backtrack from statements such as "The US is increasingly left without allies willing to shoulder even a sliver of the load". Sadly, the UK is still very much in support – but trying to make good the serious failure that has been left in securing Afghanistan by the disastrous diversion of the adventure in Iraq.

(Cross posted from ePluribus Media)

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  •  Please Don't Let Bush Off The Hook (199+ / 0-)

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    The truth behind this story is important. It is not about British troop withdrawal because of success in Iraq but about troop redeployment because of failure in Afghanistan.

    •  Thanks for the confirmation. I thought this too.. (24+ / 0-)

      They will twist anything!

      Absolutely anything... there is no sacred ground.

      No one can believe a word these false leaders say! It is safer and smarter to believe that everything is propaganda, twisted to fit or an outright lie than that there is a grain of truth to search for in the words they say.

      Ugh.

      If you dance with the devil, then you haven't got a clue; 'Cause you think you'll change the devil, but the devil changes you. - illyia

      by illyia on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 06:29:32 AM PDT

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    •  Diolch yn fawr! (20+ / 0-)

      Okay, so I cheated and looked up how to say "Thank youvery much" in Welsh, but the sentiment surely is real. Thank you so much for your insight and hard work, both here and at ePluribus Media.

      NFTT Progressively supporting the troops

      by Timroff on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 06:47:26 AM PDT

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    •  Were British Troops defeated by Shiite Militias? (9+ / 0-)

      So says Juan Cole:

      The British retreat from Iraq brings peril for U.S. troops
      Vice President Cheney says the British are leaving southern Iraq because things are going so well. In the real world, Basra is a mess.
      By Juan Cole
      Salon.com

      ...
      In reality, southern Iraq is a quagmire that has defeated all British efforts to impose order, and Blair was pressed by his military commanders to get out altogether -- and quickly. The departure has only been slowed, for the moment, by the pleas of Bush administration officials like Cheney. And far from the disingenuously upbeat prognosis offered by the vice president, the British withdrawal could spell severe trouble for both the Iraqi government and for U.S. troops in that country.

      From the sounds of things, the British "declared victory and went home" - or at least to Afghanistan...

      •  No, they weren't (0+ / 0-)

        And Juan Cole knows better.

        Basra's one of the best parts of the country, relatively speaking.

        •  Got Facts? (13+ / 0-)

          Here's Juan Cole's position:

          Wednesday, February 21, 2007

          Blair to Draw Down British Troops

          ...This is a rout, there should be no mistake. The fractious Shiite militias and tribes of Iraq's South have made it impossible for the British to stay. They already left Dhi Qar province, as well as sleepy Muthanna. They moved the British consulate to the airport because they couldn't protect it in Basra. They are taking mortar and rocket fire at their bases every night. Raiding militia HQs has not resulted in any permanent change in the situation. Basra is dominated by 4 paramilitaries, who are fighting turf wars with one another and with the Iraqi government over oil smuggling rights.
          (Emphasis added)

          I'll even throw in a fact from 10 seconds on Google:

          British troops attack Iraqi police station in Basra

          By Marc Santora
          International Herald Tribune
          Published: December 25, 2006

          BAGHDAD: Hundreds of British soldiers assaulted a police station in the southern city of Basra on Monday, killing seven gunmen, rescuing 127 prisoners and ultimately reducing the facility to rubble.

          When British forces eventually gained control of the facility, they found the prisoners being held in conditions that a spokesman, Major Charlie Burbridge, described as "appalling." He said that more than 100 men were crowded into a single 9-meter by 12-meter cell, or 30 feet by 40 feet, with two open toilets, two sinks and just a few blankets spread over the concrete floor.
          (Emphasis added)

          If "Basra's one of the best parts of the country, relatively speaking" - British troops shouldn't have to be conducting major assaults on an Iraqi government facility (here, a police station) - unless all of Iraq is more FUBARed than Basra.

          •  Just to make the point clearer (10+ / 0-)

            If a street gang took over a police station in a major US city, held it for a number of weeks, used it to imprison, torture and kill rival gang members and city officials, and it became necessary to send in hundreds of National Guard troops to dislodge the gang - what would you say if that was "one of the best parts of the country, relatively speaking."  

            I'd rather not imagine worse parts - and the Iraqis are apparently living in "worse parts."  

            •  I understand (0+ / 0-)

              And response below - but the CW is that the brits' areas were generally unmarred by sectarian fighting of the sort you see in Baghdad although there are still clan rivalries and all that.

              You don't hear about marketplaces being blown up in Basra.

              •  so (5+ / 0-)

                so, it is still an unsafe shithole. Comparing anyplace to the worst place and then declaring that that the place is OK since it hasn't become the new worst place is dishonest dialogue.

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                by pissedpatriot on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 08:04:50 AM PDT

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                •  If the Baghdad was like Basra (0+ / 0-)

                  Iraq would be pretty ok.  That's all I'm saying here.

                  That and that Juan Cole lets his agenda get in the way of his analysis quite a bit.

                  •  define 'pretty ok' ? (0+ / 0-)

                    livable, you would live there? what?

                  •  What are your facts, Unfounded? (5+ / 0-)

                    How do you know that if Baghdad was like Basra that Iraq would be "pretty okay?" Is the sectarian conflict in Basra not less than in Baghdad because the South is primarily Shia, and not mixed like Baghdad?

                    Also, what is Juan Cole's "agenda?" It must be something you disagree with, Unfounded, but what could it be? Why did Professor Cole not pick a better paying "agenda" if that is all it is.

                    Juan Cole has been correct, empirically, while the Right has been consistently wildly wrong. Has truth-telling become an "agenda" now?

                    Unfounded indeed.

                    It's a Right-wing, conservative, Republican war.

                    by J Royce on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 09:34:12 AM PDT

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                    •  I don't disagree that Iraq's a mess (0+ / 0-)

                      But his polemic a lot of the time is targetted at "what sounds bad in the american political scene", not "this is significant in Iraq for this reason"

                      I don't have any examples but I'm fairly well-read on the matter, although less so than him (cobra II, prince of the marshes, al-azzaman, iraqthemodel (just as biased as cole, opposite direction), my best friend speaks arabic and majored in ME studies and we talk about it a lot)..

                      For example, he flogs the "US to attack Iran" horse semi-consistently.  Anybody who has any idea what they're talking about knows we're not attacking Iran.  

                      •  Really? (2+ / 0-)

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                        Anybody who has any idea what they're talking about knows we're not attacking Iran

                        SO....you have better sources than, say, Sy Hersch, Jim Webb, General Wesley Clark, etc., etc., etc.?  Pray share them with us.

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                        by miriam on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 01:02:03 PM PDT

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                        •  I mean, I'm sure the Pentagon has plans drawn up (0+ / 0-)

                          But it's not gonna happen, short of Iran doing something ridiculous to provoke it like putting significant uniformed troops into Iraq.

                          When did Webb and Clark say that they thought Bush was going to attack Iran?  Was it while campaigning and rallying activists?  

                          •  http://www.stopiranwar.com (3+ / 0-)

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                            by miriam on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:14:57 PM PDT

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                            •  Assertion != argument (0+ / 0-)

                              When a war hasn't happened by Jan 09, I'm sure you'll feel very contrite.

                              •  And yet all your posts are naked assertions (1+ / 0-)

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                                No facts, no quotes - nuthin' but air.

                                As for me, I retain a mental image of Osama sitting in a cave in Pakistan saying "Allah, please let George Bush stop chasing me and do something really stupid, like invade Iraq.  No, what am I saying, NOBODY would do something that stupid - his own Dad knew better..."

                                And so, Junior DID make Osama's wildest hopes and dreams come true - he DID invade Iraq.

                                As for me, the more I hear that George Bush isn't stupid to attack Iran, I think of all the other incredibly dumb things he's done - and I worry.  Smart money says that all it'll take is a big strike against one of those small, easily attacked posts in Baghdad - and the "Lebanon-style" air attacks against Iran's infrastructure will begin.  

                                If Bush DOESN'T attack Iran, I won't be contrite - I'll be greatly relieved.

                    •  Oh, and the old (0+ / 0-)

                      "Southern shi'a in the palm of Iran's hand" line...  this is another one where he should know better and probably does, but is shilling for pageviews

          •  Most of Iraq is more FUBARed that Basra (0+ / 0-)

            And one incident (or one major operation each month, even), doesn't even compare to most of the rest of Iraq.

            There's some intra-shia fighting but generally things are closer to SNAFU than FUBAR there.

        •  Let us ask why... (3+ / 0-)

          ...It's because they basically turned it over to the Shiites, and now they are getting out. It is the recipe we should follow as well.

          Give Iraq to the Iraqis and get out!

          PS Right wingers are trying out the meme that "you don't care about the bloodbath when we get out". No, i care. But the final choice on the bloodbath rests in the hands of the Iraqis. They may shock the world and get along,they may not. The bottom line is that it is their choice.

          CBS, the new "Memory Hole". Ask McCain, "Where's Sattar?"!

          by Paul Goodman on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 08:18:21 AM PDT

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          •  Paul - understood (9+ / 0-)

            But we should not forget the "ethnic cleansing" and brutality that accompanied the gaining of dominance of one group in Basra to enable it to achieve some level of "order".

            The whole thing becomes an intractable ethical problem.

            As I have no answer, I hide behind my "I opposed us invading in the first place" but, oh dear, what a cop out this represents by me.

            I end up agreeing with you. Our mess - but their country.

            •  That's the most honest thing I've read (0+ / 0-)

              by anybody talking about the Iraq war.

              As I have no answer, I hide behind my "I opposed us invading in the first place" but, oh dear, what a cop out this represents by me.

              I end up agreeing with you. Our mess - but their country.

              I'm of the opinion that one last push with a new general, new secdef, new gameplan and more troops is worth giving a shot for 6-12 months.  But at the end, you're completely right.

            •  Their mess now! n/t (0+ / 0-)

              "And if my thought-dreams could be seen They'd probably put my head in a guillotine" Bob Dylan

              by shaharazade on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:19:00 PM PDT

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    •  No worries... total failure on all fronts... (11+ / 0-)

      the split meme is still workable even if not completely accurate because of the dwindling of the remainder of the "coalition of the shilling"... this new development's probably even more advantageous, as Blair has to now go down with the sinking ship of the Bush Administration...

      Dudehisattva...

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      by Dood Abides on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 06:58:14 AM PDT

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      •  Blair was a damned good PM (0+ / 0-)

        And whether you pull the "poodle" thing or not, he was strong enough to do what he thought was right in the face of overwhelming opposition from the public and especially his own party.

        He's a good man and deserves a little respect, even if the war has been a disaster.

    •  I was scratching my head, trying to (7+ / 0-)

      figure out how 'success' was working so well in Basra. This all makes sense now.

      .. interesting to note this from Anthony Cordesman was on the Sung Yung Moon owned UPI ..

      http://www.upi.com/...

      Expert: Brit Iraq policy boosted Shiites

      WASHINGTON, Feb. 21 (UPI) -- British policy in southern Iraq has played into the hands of radical Shiite factions, a U.S. expert said.

      ..

      "The British long ago essentially ceded the two provinces they control -- Basra and Maisan -- to Shiite Islamist factions," Cordesman wrote. "They lost Basra in 2005 to rival Shiite extremist parties and essentially let most of the city become a no go zone unless they conducted active operations. They pulled out of much of the southeast to the north of Basra in 2006.

      "The British soft approach has worked little better, if at all, than the American hard approach," Cordesman wrote. "The British were not defeated in a military sense, but lost in the political sense if 'victory' means securing the southeast for the central government and some form of national unity.

      Hearing Cordesman talk the other day about this, this article and your diary: it all comes together nicely.

      "You know what the real fight is? The real fight is the definition of what is reality." Bernie Sanders

      by shpilk on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 07:07:05 AM PDT

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      •  ..there's a story.. (10+ / 0-)

        ..on NPR this morning about how the British HQ is mortared and rocketed every night, and they never venture out except at night by chopper.  

        How do define this other than complete military defeat?

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        by sandmancan on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 07:14:11 AM PDT

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        •  This is the real future of the Iraq strategy (7+ / 0-)

          The British worked very hard with the local population to establish Iraqi control. They were successful in this and were able to hand over Basra to them.

          The Bush strategy in "succesful"action, folks.

          EXCEPT, and there is bound to be an "except", the local population is largely Iran supporting and didn't like the minority in its midst so had to do some rather ugly ethnic cleansing, which upset the Britsish. Hence the blowing up by the Brits of the main police station.

          Anyhow, it is now a done deal. The majority Shias are in control and ruthlessly dominate the other groups. They are very grateful to the Brits for putting them in command. So now they are lobbing mortars over the walls of the poor Brits' main base to remind them that the next stage is for foreign troops to leave.

          Yep, I know this description is rather trite, but I think it is the truth. The same will happen in Baghdad. It happened right at the start for those areas occupied by the Kurds.

          Except (oh, dear that word again) each of these areas that are being cleansed of insurgents are each different religous groups. So when Basra is repeated, with US troops help, across Iraq and handed over to Iraqis. exactly the same scenario will apply. Except different groups will "own" different parts.

          Then the proper civil war can begin.

          •  ..precisely.. (0+ / 0-)

            ..the essence of the report this morning.  Of course, they didn't report your last line.

            "Since When Have You Westerners Accepted the Teachings of Christ?" - His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

            by sandmancan on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 09:26:03 AM PDT

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          •  Oh, and that area the Brits are pulling out from? (2+ / 0-)

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            That NPR story also mentioned that it's part of the supply line for the troops in Baghdad. So when the Brits pull out, it's very possible that the Americans will have to go in to protect the supply line to Baghdad.

            Or we might just get that 'Alamo' scenario x 1000.

            Hell, we're likely to get it anyway.

            •  And when (0+ / 0-)

              Bush bombs Iran, that is the first thing that will go, the supply lines to Baghdad and the rest of the US forces.

              EXCEPT (per welshman) that unlike 2004 when Al Sadr's militia had the Green Zone on MRE's, this time there will be no letup, no food, no fuel, no ammunition, no medical supplies and no spare parts.

              And before the real civil war there will be the real end of the occupation as the Iranians (about 300,000 at last count) in Iraq complete their revenge on the US.

              The US has not seen what is coming to it since Bataan, Iwo Jima and Okinawa. The first week that 1,000 Americans die in Iraq will be a real shock; and that will only be the start, as supplies dwindle and medevac choppers disappear from the sky the casualties will rise sharply.

              After the US bombs Iran it better learn some Arabic, words like "no mercy, no quarter, no prisoners" and "kill them all, let god sort them out".

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              by Deep Dark on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 01:46:24 PM PDT

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      •  IT THEIR COUNTRY. (2+ / 0-)

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        Why would anyone get in the way?

        "It's a race to decide who the British goverment will follow blindly for the next 4 years" Kennedy/Kerry '08

        by Salo on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 09:21:00 AM PDT

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    •  We're not about to let Bush off the hook (0+ / 0-)

      but we'd certainly appreciate it if you guys did something about your loathsome lapdog PM.

      Just think what a nostalgic treat it would be if you locked him up in the Tower for the remainder of the 21st century!

    •  And a very good reminder (3+ / 0-)

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      ... that knee-jerk, off the cuff analyses by the left can sometimes play right into the hands of the government, who are, after all, masters of propaganda.

      It is a narcissistic blow to realize how studied and confident the government can be when manipulating information. They can even put a doofus in as president of the United States, and it almost doesn't even matter.

      But then they have the univeristies, the think tanks, the professionals in the Pentagon and Defense Ministries who vet all this stuff. They are NOT infallible, but they are good. And we who oppose them politically must mind our p's and q's, must remember to try harder, think things through, and not react so immediately and emotionally.

      Thank you, Welshman, for your excellent analysis and report.

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      by Valtin on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 11:21:54 AM PDT

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  •  Next up (8+ / 0-)

    all US casualties will first be reported as drawdowns on troops in Iraq.

    "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity"

    by newfie on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 05:39:03 AM PDT

  •  You'll be happy to know that the way I heard (25+ / 0-)

    the story about Afghanistan on the MSM made the point that the Brits didn't have the resources to stay in Iraq and put additional troops into Afghanistan - according to the story the need to stabilise Afghanistan is believed to be of much greater strategic importance.

    It was interesting because we are talking about such a small number of troops compared to the US forces.  While we are struggling to put together the 20,000-40,000 for Bush's escallation, the UK is having a hard time finding the equivalent of 2500-2800 troops to cover the two countries.  It doesn't make either of our military forces look particularly robust or flexible at this point.

  •  Thanks for your diaries (3+ / 0-)

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    As you have observed, it is quite easy to manipulate people who, for one reason or another, wish to be manipulated.

  •  the way they lie to us, we must be the enemy (15+ / 0-)

    they are effective at one thing, media manipulation.
    The way it's being done makes me think war is being waged upon the average citizen.

    'So, I'll show you a handfull of crap but I'll call it a pastry. That way it'll be easier for you to swallow.' Right out of Monty Python.

  •  It was like seeing a gaily wrapped (11+ / 0-)

    package from someone you know doesn't give presents.  It looks so good and you know it just can't be.  Instead, we now have, as you say:

    It is proof positive of the extent to which the Iraq invasion has resulted in our failure to deal effectively with al Qaeda in the country in which they are based.

     And we need to face that and make sure it is known.

    "False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." Plato

    by JPete on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 06:11:00 AM PDT

    •  Nice picture. (15+ / 0-)

      What really angers me is how successful this spin has been.

      The UK media has begun to wake up today, but like rapid response in an election they have been too slow and Blair's version of the truth has caught sufficient hold on the thirty second attention span of the British public.

      I hope the US media pick this up and relate the Afghanistan story back to the Iraq story. But asking them to connect the dots even over three days may be asking a bit much.

      •  I know. Even (1+ / 0-)

        Democracy Now seemed taken in.  And I think you are right; everyone was concentrating on spin rather than thinking criticially.

        One could hope the few journalists who can think were waiting to see how it worked out.  I doubt it.

        "False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." Plato

        by JPete on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 06:43:21 AM PDT

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      •  Frankly, I think the Left got this one right (1+ / 0-)

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        No pun intended. Most folks I know that oppose this war were obviously not buying the administration's line of BS, "it's a win--that's why they're leaving". They also weren't buying that Blair had suddenly "seen the light" on what a mistake Iraq was.

        Well, what conclusion did that leave? The obvious--they aren't bringing people home. They're just shuffling them around.

        I heard some guy on the BBC saying last week that they were preparing for a major offensive in Afghanistan this spring and that the US and Britain were begging for more boots on the ground.

        Seems to me if folks were paying any attention at all, this manuever by Blair was a no brainer.

        Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar. Edward R. Murrow

        by Pager on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 07:29:05 AM PDT

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        •  Ah! That "If" (3+ / 0-)

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          You write " if folks were paying any attention at all, this manuever by Blair was a no brainer."

          IF folks were paying attention, we wouldn't be in Iraq at all. Not any of us.

          •  Not so sure about that, Welshman. (6+ / 0-)

            After 9/11, people were buying all sorts of lies and bullshit. The feeling of being helpless, of being targeted, of "we have to do something" ran deep in this country, even if it was based on a false premise.

            People were paying attention; hell, they were hypersensitive. They just weren't were being very rational and that's when things got scary.

            I agree with you--MSM does seem to be incapable of connecting the dots. On the other hand, the BBC pretty clearly outlined what was happening and why it was happening.

            I guess I'm saying I agree with you and your diary. I'm also saying that it would be wise to note that not everyone was fooled, again. Hell, I saw bloggers here that were making the same point your diary is making today.

            Maybe the MSM didn't get it, but some of us sure as hell did.

            Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar. Edward R. Murrow

            by Pager on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 08:05:22 AM PDT

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  •  Very reminiscent of Canada's involvment in (5+ / 0-)

    Aghanistan.  As soon as PM Harper announced 2500 Canadian combat troops would be assigned to that permanent war, the US announced that it was withdrawing 2000 of its own.  Those were then sent to Iraq.

    Glad to know the Conservatives in Canada have kept that country out of Iraq [sic].

    When employees and stock-holders aren't different people, I'll find something else to do.

    by oxon on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 06:15:06 AM PDT

  •  It is about failure in Iraq and Afghanistan (10+ / 0-)

    A recent UK poll found the Iraq war to be extremely unpopular for Blair and the Labor Party.  By reducing troop commitments in Iraq while shifting them to Afghanistan is definitely a calculated political move by Blair to keep the Labor Party afloat.  However, somewhere in the mix, it is overlooked that the situation in Basra, despite Blair claims of success, have deteriorated to the point that all the diplomatic mission people in Basra have been moved to the Green Zone.  The whole situation is just plain insane.

    Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by DWG on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 06:27:07 AM PDT

    •  Yes (10+ / 0-)

      And isn't it strange how the Afghanistan invasion is now seen as totally justified? So Blair can play to this and gain credit for increases in that country and decreases in Iraq.

      The 9/11 - al Qaeda blanket still serves to justify the Afghanistan invasion and the overthrow of our previous Taliban allies, whom we used to fund so eagerly. We disregard the fact that our sole target was al Qaeda, whom the Taliban barely tolerated.

      All this is now forgotten.

      •  Smoke & mirror trick! n/t (0+ / 0-)

        Sic Transit Gloria Locavore!

        by Asinus Asinum Fricat on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 06:59:01 AM PDT

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      •  Any justification for Afghanistan died with Iraq (5+ / 0-)

        If the focus had stayed on stabilizing Afghanistan and building an economy not based on guns and poppies, then some good might have come of it.  Instead, the focus shifted to Iraq, leaving the situation to deteriorate in Afghanistan.  Sad that bin Laden has been able to so easily outsmart Bush and Blair.  

        If you plot military deaths in Afghanistan, the trend should scare people.  From 4 killed a month in 2001/2002 to 17 a month in 2006 looks like a wake-up call, but you never see much about that trend in the media.  No wonder there is suddenly so much concern about a "spring offensive" by the Taliban.  

        I am saddened by Blair.  Without Blair's support, I doubt Bush would have been able to invade Iraq.  Spain and Australia talked a good game in 2003, but never sent more than a handful of troops.  

        Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

        by DWG on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 07:03:19 AM PDT

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      •  After 9/11... (1+ / 0-)

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        It was not unreasonable to expect a county to hand over a self confessed international terrorist, with the means and intentions of carrying out further attacks.

        The Taliban refused to hand OBL over to the US. This confirmed their status as a country that would let an organization like AQ grow, even flourish. This was indeed an imminent danger to US security and so military action was justified.

        We supported the Taliban in an effort to reduce Soviet expansion, nothing wrong with that, however it did not give them a pass to allow terrorists to train and organize from within their boarders.

        The 9/11 - AQ blanket IS justification for the Afghanistan invasion.

        •  I have no problem with your reasoning. (1+ / 0-)

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          It is certainly why Afghanistan is a less "unpopular" war in the UK than Iraq.

          That having been said, al Qaeda were never popular with the Taliban and there is considerable doubt as to whether we truly exhausted our diplomatic persuasion on them before we invaded.

          Right now, all we know is that Osama bin Laden is still at liberty and the Taliban are retrenching - with suggestions that local deals are being made with them in certain areas. And the deaths of our military are rising.

  •  Oh what tangled webs (11+ / 0-)

    they weave, when in order to deceive. Just another day in the life of Bush and his poodle.

    Frodo failed....Bush has got the ring!

    by Alohaleezy on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 06:30:22 AM PDT

  •  Thanks for the lesson (0+ / 0-)

    You have raised points that never crossed my mind.

    Dang, it's a bitch to realize I was among those snookered.

    note to self--there's always an utlterior motive hidden in any words spoken by the two B's

    "Mankind must remember that peace is not God's gift to his creatures. It is our gift to each other." Elie Wiesel

    by witchamakallit on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 06:32:16 AM PDT

  •  Very good point... (0+ / 0-)

    ...and good on ya for reading between the lines.

  •  Why in the world (3+ / 0-)

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    would any of us believe, at first blush, anything said by any of these people? They first have to make things move in their direction in front of the Fox Noise types. That is followed, after some time, by the truth, which is then spun as something coming from a galaxy far, far away.

    Common Sense is not Common

    by RustyBrown on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 06:40:01 AM PDT

  •  Hello from Iraq... (10+ / 0-)

    I didn't know where else to post this but I wanted to get it out here just FYI...
    I learned of anysoldier.com here at dKos and started sending boxes back in October. I made some co-workers aware of it and the response from my co-workers has been fantastic. I am sure that is because I put the "thank-you" letters on display in the office and then sent out the emails I got. From 4 or 5 boxes at the beginning, my last shipment was 12 boxes. I have chosen to select Army and Marine requestors since (I think) they need the most. The truly amazing thing was that of the last shipment of 12 boxes, 2 of 'em were filled with Valentine's candy and one was full of Girl Scout cookies (what a nice piece of "home")- I sent the boxes on Friday, Feb. 9th and did not even hope that they'd get there in time. The were recieved on Valentine's day! - only 5 days later. I figure that they got to New York just as a transport was leaving :-) and their timely arrival meant a lot to our guys.
    Here's the first email from CSM Barbara _

    Pat, thanks so much for the message.  And, I understand you were not complaining about not hearing from people. I just know that many people do not write to say thanks but they have the good intentions and don't carry through.  I think they get in a rush and mean to do it but sometimes do not. Yes I did get the 4th box and wrote you again after than box to let you know.  The mail is questionable so I hope you get the letters.  And, I thank you so very much.  All the things are in good use and appreciated. So you work with computers.  That must be very interesting. And, yes that is a very important job.  I agree with you about the trash.  I am not a fanatic about things but when I go for walks around Texas, I see so much trash. I use to walk about 4 miles around my apartment area
    so I decided one day to make it more interesting and to give myself a purpose to keep me moving.  I could not pick up beer bottles, plastic or paper because I would not walk far before being over-loaded.  I started taking a bag with me and crushing the cans to bring back to the recycle
    container. I could go on Friday night and have a big bag, again on Saturday morning and again on Sunday morning each time bringing back a
    bag.  Now that I am not there, I wonder how much trash is all around that area.  People just throw things out the window and do not think about it.  I am very careful about things like that. I am sorry about your grandson. That is sad but they can do so many things these days to help him.  He is so young that he does not realize what is all happening to him.  Maybe that is better than if he were
    older.  Anyway, I am sure he is a cute and strong young fellow who will be ok.  
       As you can see from the news, much is going on around Baghdad these days.  Most of the news I see in the Stars & Stripes but I can imagine what the news must look like back in the States. There is an area on the camp that has a few palm trees and I walk around there for some exercise.  Tonight, there were shots and mortars going off and I could
    see them in the sky not so far away.  The sky was bright for a while. It is so odd to say that I am out walking with things like this happening.  This afternoon we were all working and 3 mortars came
    in...not hitting us...thank goodness.  No one did anything because we thought it was outgoing until we heard on the military radio that it was
    incoming.  They make a big swish sound as they come through the air. Seems odd to say that we get use to things like this. It is like a lightening storm.  You realize the power but you hope it does not strike to close. We have lost the 4th helicopter in a short while here.  That is not good.  It is getting very windy right now.  It rained this morning so the mud is back.  It only takes a little rain for the mud to be deep. This has been a busy day...and I think it is Saturday.  Anyway, I really do appreciate everything you have done and are doing for me and others other here. I truly owe you so much.  Just knowing that you care
    enough to go through all the effort makes me want to keep going.  And, I do get depressed but you have given me something good to think about.
    You make me realize how lucky we are and that people really do care about other people. I will not forget you and the few others who have
    mailed things.  Take care and have a good weekend. And, again thanks so much. Barbara

    and here's the second email

    Pat, I am sorry I did not email you on 14 Feb, Valentines Day.  But I can tell you that you and your "helpers" made that day a very special
    day for all of us.  I see you have the boxes numbered on the customs papers so I can give you some feedback. I got boxes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6,
    7, 8, and 11,. Box 9 and 10 are not here yet or are missing. I did get one box with no number it was soup and cookies mailed on 2/9/07.  And a great box also.  Every thing is just fantastic and we were feeling like Christmas around here.  I shared things with the junior Soldiers first because they need more things and have the tough jobs here.  It is very stressful for them.  They do get down in the dumps sometimes but this was a big boost to all our morale. And they took only a few things so it
    could go around.  Then I told the rest of the sergeants about the boxes. They all got things and everyone is very pleased. I hope you got my letter.  I told you that I kept the caramel candies as they are a real favorite of mine...all gone...sorry. It went quick with me. They were so soft and mellow. Usually they are hard when you buy them but I love them soft or hard. I could not resist eating them myself.  Also, thanks for the "brown present" of Tide and Downey. I have used that on some of my underwear that would otherwise not make it through the laundry. I don't have those lacy or fancy ones here but just cotton ones.  Real
    good ones you don't want to get spoiled in that laundry where everything is washed all together. Can you imagine having your clothes washed with
    other peoples things and darks and whites together.  Oh, I also kept the black Docker socks for myself as the ones I brought here are wearing out around the heels...walking in boots in heat (not hot yet but still an issue) has worn them out so my heals were hurting. Anyway, I have already worn all of those socks and took them to that laundry today. You cannot plan enough things for a year and they limit what we can bring with us here.  We wear black socks like that with our uniform and the mid calf white ones with the physical fitness clothes. Otherwise, we
    cannot wear anything civilian...except out of site in our sleeping areas. I brought some cotton PJs which I wear often. Anyway, the Valentines candy and gum was a hit with everyone along with toothpaste, soap, and body wash...I am also reading the magazines myself before I pass them around.  They take me to a different world regardless of the
    type of magazine. I remember the first box from you because it had a magazine from Philly in there along with Oprah. The guys enjoyed the sports magazines a lot too. Sanitary items are a big hit for the younger females, panty liners, etc are especially needed. Wet wipes are always needed and welcome too. Lotion is great...I kept a small tube of the Body and Bath lotion as it smells so good. It has a vanilla smell. So, I got a lot of great things myself that I am using and enjoying. All the
    writing materials was taken also. Dental floss, shaving cream, razors, we can use that too. I am sorry I am so late emailing you but I do hope
    you got my letter. I am never sure about this mail system. I have been stressed because one of my senior sergeants shot himself in the head on
    Saturday morning. He died a couple of hours later.  It is so sad and we cannot figure it al out yet.  Not sure if he had problems with his wife
    back home or what the issue was. I know Soldiers do get depressed here as I get that way myself. No, I do not want to kill myself but I know how it feels to get down about everything. You have kept me in high spirits so I thank you from the bottom of my heart. This sergeant worked in the International Zone of Baghdad so he was not right here with me. I
    have Soldiers over 75% of Iraq so that means I have to travel a lot. Which worries me often because of the danger but have to get the job done.  Anyway, I have to plan a memorial service for him and distance
    makes it harder to do. The Soldiers working with him took it real hard as well as I did myself. It is such a waste of a wonderful person. He has a wife and two small children back in Mississippi.  He shot himself in the head with the M9. It happened at about 07:30 in the morning and I got the call at about five to 8am. We tried to get there to the hospital but he died before we could get there. The International Zone is where the Embassy is and Ms. Condy Rice was paying a visit that same day. So you know that means the air power is for her and they block off all the areas for security. We did not see her while we were there and
    think she only stayed a short time. I wonder sometimes how she wears all the combat gear over those nice clothes and how she gets in and out of
    the Black Hawk Helicopter. Bet she comes in jeans and they have her change clothes some where. They stay on the ground such a short time as they are so busy moving people back and forth. The Hospital is also located in that area which means more flights in and out of there. We got back to my camp at about 10PM which made for a long hard day for me.
    Emotionally and physically. Today is Sunday, I think, but just another one of those days. Pat, you are so very wonderful to send so many great things to us that we can enjoy and use...the candy was a real Valentines Day special for all of us. All the boxes coming exactly on Valentines Day was special too. I really am thankful for you and your "helpers"
    who took the time to go buy things and then box them  up and mail them to us. We truly do all apprecaite your efforts and I know I will
    forever be so greatful to you. There is no way I can repay you...it is much more than material things...it is your heart and your sharing and
    your goodness and your thoughts about us over here that will remain with me forever. I am thinking of you every day and I wish you the very best...good things return to those that do them for others.  I hope you are doing well and not working too hard.  Also, hope the weather is no so bad for you there. Take care of yourself and I will let you know if the
    other boxes come. I assume that 2 are missing but I did get one with no number. Thanks so much, Barbara

    There was another email but can't locate it at the moment. In case anyone wonders... my little grandson who just turned 6 this week was diagnosed last month with juvenile diabetes. He's doing great with it though...

  •  I disagree. this is a huge deal for Americans. (3+ / 0-)

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    None of this is adding up for Americans, it being so contrary to the pictures painted by the WH.  Minds are blowing.

     The fact is that the UK has already drawn down from the invasion force of about 30,000.  IOW, the UK has already removed about three quarters of its troops, under the operating agreement of No. 1 above.   The US people are already surprised by the 7500 number.  How does one get to take a podium with Bush as a partner with only 7500 troops committed?  Americans knew that El Salvador was a joke, but when the UK starts reaching Poland levels, it's a shock.

    Furthermore, for an "ally" to start pulling out as we "surge" shows how isolated we are, for one, and how doomed to failure, for two.  What good is 21000 US troops when the Brits have already withdrawn 23000 troops?  

    And the explanation that the UK's mission is successfully completed is making people pull their hair out.  Either the UK is able to do something right that we can't, or the UK was always giving an easy task because they were merely showpiece presence in the first place, or it's all completely lies and bullshit.

     In sum, there IS a rift between Downing Street and the UK.  The UK is pulling out and the US is surging.  How much more of a "rift" can one have, at least with regard to Iraq?  To be sure, the UK and NATO are stepping up in Afghanistan, somewhat, but thanks to Bush that's not the focus of the US policy at all.

    The only area of agreement is to disagree and make the best PR out of it.  Blair has promised to continue to publically be a good partner in the Coalition, and Bush has promised not to point out that Blair is pulling out troops.  

    Bush gets what he wants, which is the pretense to a "coalition" and someone to stand up at news conferences, and Blair gets what he wants, which is to withdraw troops and please UK consituencies without having the WH slime machine turned on him.

    The prop of a Blair with Bush was so important, and it's now revealed as just another lie.

    Offshore Oil/NatGas is our Strategic Reserve. Save it for when the rest of the world runs out.

    by Inland on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 07:00:03 AM PDT