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Energy COOL 4: Bike to the Future????

Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 12:43:27 PM PDT

Since diving into the deep end when it comes to energy issues, almost every day sees new fascinating concepts, approaches, and technologies.  Fascinating ... exciting ... even hope inspiring at times.  And, as well, as the passion builds, so many of these are truly 'iPod Cool'.  

This is the fourth of a new series, renamed Energy COOL energy, where we can share some of the exciting things that are going on in the energy world. Today's forcus, an innovative business model for improving city transportation and getting people into bicycles ...

One of the world's largest advertising firm, JC Decaux, has developed a new approach to increasing bicycle use in major cities. Cyclocity is spreading like wildfire.

Introduced in Lyon in May 2005, Cycocity is now deployed in many cities through Europe (Brussels (note: French Wikipedia on Brussels program), Vienna, and Cordoba and Giron).  Cities from London to Sydney are talking about adopting Cyclocity.  And, Cyclocity is heading to Paris:

On July 15, the day after Bastille Day, Parisians will wake up to discover thousands of low-cost rental bikes at hundreds of high-tech bicycle stations scattered throughout the city, an ambitious program to cut traffic, reduce pollution, improve parking and enhance the city's image as a greener, quieter, more relaxed place.

By the end of the year, organizers and city officials say, there should be 20,600 bikes at 1,450 stations -- or about one station every 250 yards across the entire city.

A number of features make this system innovative and contribute to its success ... and what looks likely to be explosive growth.

Energy SmartThe set up gets around one of the classic challenges of doing Energy Smart decisions: the difference between cost to buy (the purchase price) and the cost to own (purchase price plus operating cost).  For example, home appraisers pay little attention to energy efficiency investments that reduce annual utility costs which lowers their value in the mortgage/real estate market even though this can have a major impact on the cost of actually owning that home. This is a problem for governments around the world (okay, maybe not Abu Dhabi ...): difficult choices as to investment resources.  

In this case, the private firm is responsible for 100% of the capital expenditure, upfront costs -- from bicycles to the metering to sign out and return bicycles. And, the city receives 100% of the annual revenue from bike rentals and a fee from the company. In exchange, JC Decaux gains control over advertising spaces.

The company will pay start-up costs of about $115 million and employ the equivalent of about 285 people full time to operate the system and repair the bikes for 10 years.

(Note, if you're in Paris and looking for a job, maybe you want to check out Cyclocity's jobs notice (warning pdf).)

All revenue from the program will go to the city, and the company will also pay Paris a fee of about $4.3 million a year.
In exchange, Paris is giving the company exclusive control over 1,628 city-owned billboards, including the revenue from them, for the same period. About half the billboard space will be given back to the city at no cost for public-interest advertising.

So, roughly for the profits from 814 Paris billboards, there will be 20,000 bicycles available in the city and the Paris government will receive $4.3 million per year plus all revenues from bike rentals.  Hmmm ... that is starting to sound it might be a reasonably good deal for the taxpayer, the citizen, the environment and, well, private business as well.

The system is designed to both encourage use and to keep the bicycles in service. For example, the bicycles are quite sturdy -- roughly 1000 Euros ($1300) each (and that is buying 1000s per year).  They also have some form of GPS system attached to them, which enables tracking location.

But, the key path is through the fee structure.  First, all users have to sign up for the program and have a several hundred dollar deposit to be able to rent out a bike.  (Which is done with a credit-card or membership card at automated tellers at the smart bike racks.)

And, once you have a bike in hand, you're incentivized to pedal away.  The first 30 minutes is free, then a small charge for the next 30 minutes, and so on ...

In Paris, for instance, renting a bike will be free for the first 30 minutes, $1.30 for the next 30 minutes, $2.60 for the third half-hour, and $5.20 for the fourth half-hour of use and every 30 minutes after that

There are frequent users (many times per day) who go the entire year without paying anything for a bike ride, as all their trips fall within that 30 minute window.

So, does this approach have an impact?  Is it meaningful? As per reporting in The Washington Post, Paris Embraces Plan to Become City of Bikes:

In Lyon, according to deputy mayor Touraine, the city's 3,000 rental bikes have logged about 10 million miles since the program started in May 2005, saving an estimated 3,000 tons of carbon dioxide from being spewed into the air. Overall, vehicle traffic in the city is down 4 percent, he said, and bicycle use has tripled, not just on account of Cyclocity, but also because the program has prompted a boom in private bicycle use and sales.

Note, this is a 3000 bicycle program -- 15% per cent of the size of the coming Paris program. And, well, this is looking Energy COOL to me.

  • Reduced pollution
  • Reduced traffic (which, by the way, further reduces pollution through less gridlock)
  • Implementable quickly
  • Acceptable to the "no tax" crowd -- especially due to the public-private partnership

And, well, probably at least some healthier people getting more exercise while they move around.

The users biggest complaint: that 'one-way' commuting can overwhelm the bike racks (think a University building at 10 am ...) and make it harder to "return" a bicycle at the destination.

I will take that complaint ... but have only one serious question:

  • Which American city will be the first US Cyclocity?  UPDATE: And, thanks to Colorless Green Ideas, we have an answer:  Portland, according to today's article, is looking to do a variant of this.
  • Okay, a second ... and when????
  • Okay, and third:  Is this part of the path to Energize America, prepare for Peak Oil, and reduce Global Warming impacts?

NOTE / UPDATE:

Thanks to Nu for the tip. Velorution has some good discussion of Cyclocity and the Paris program.  

Liberation had an excellent article, which points to irregularities in the bidding process that won this for Decaux.  The key competitor -- Clear Channel from the United States.  Clear Channel filed a protest of the award in the beginning of February. The Paris system is on the web at Velib.

Energize America bumpersticker
Note

Sustainable Development activities, they claim to be "the world's largest supplier of solar-powered bus shelters. The shelters store the sun's energy during the day to provide lighting throughout the night."  They provide these for free for ... advertising space.

  • For a similiarly named commercial activity, check out

Cyclocity Transport, which has three-wheeled bicycles for delivery services.

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  •  Tips / Mojo: 24 March 2007 (31+ / 0-)

    Sometimes the solution paths are staring us in the face.  A 4% reduction in urban car traffic??? Well, that doesn't sound like we need to be waiting for new research and development for moving forward on paths that will help ameliorate Peak Oil and reduce the extent of Global Warming Damage.

    Bike to the Future ... sounds good to me. How about you?

  •  Hybrids are for bikes too! (10+ / 0-)

    Ecospeed seems to have some cool stuff.

    •  Oh ... Absolutely ... (7+ / 0-)

      Thanks for the link. Hadn't seen Ecospeed before.

      I've been thinking about an Energy COOL diary focused on bicycles and the potentials on battery-assist bicycles.  There are ones out there that are enclosed, that could be year-round commute-type bicycles, with enough battery charge to help get home on those "one is totally wiped out at the end of work" type of days).  If money fell out of the sky, something that I'd contemplate getting. (Use that for commute and return home to get a car to pick up kids from child care.)

    •  the problem with hybrid bikes (6+ / 0-)

      I love the idea of hybrid bikes.  They make all the sense in the world.. superb mileage while giving you a chance to get some exercise.  But...

       * Bicycles are surprisingly safe.  Motorcycles are not.  I suspect a hybrid bike would begin to take on the safety characteristics of a motercycle.  So although I sometimes commute by bike, I would hesitate to commute by hybrid bike.

       * Its hard to imagine these catching on for recreational riding, which is often about exercise.  If you ride a hybrid, everyone will assume you're cheating.

       * Furthermore, they probably aren't allowed on many dedicate bike paths (e.g., rail trails) because of their motors.

      So, alas, the only way I can see hybrid bikes catching on in this country is if we had a lot fewer cars on the road.  Or a lot more bike paths, all of which permitted hybrid bikes.

      Which is too bad, because they would help our energy problem and obesity epidemic tremendously.

    •  I have an Ezee electric bike (2+ / 0-)

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      and it is too cool. It will go about 30 miles if you only use the helpful motor on the uphills, and pedal the flats.

      I wanted one that also recharged its battery with the brakes, but they went out of business.

      The eZee rides up extremely steep hills I couldn't make on my own. I could see it in town as a real transportation alternative.

      •  PS-- quiet too (2+ / 0-)

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        SarahLee, bic momma

        No bike path people have ever asked me to leave. It looks like a bike, and it is quiet.

      •  E-bikes are great for getting to work (6+ / 0-)

        because the rider does not need to work up a sweat before getting there. We see a lot of cool people in their business suits, with briefcases in the basket speeding off to work on e-bikes.

        Another 'unfortunate' market for e-bikes are those who have been deprived of the MV drivers' licenses for dui. The manager who sold my bikes says she does not like those customers.

        This above all: to thine own self be true...-WS

        by Agathena on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 01:46:49 PM PDT

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        •  and why not? (1+ / 0-)

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          She's never had a drink in her life? I am not condoning impaired driving. But I will bet here and now that almost every north americans over 30yr who

          a) is at least a social drinker; and
          b) drives a car

          has been guilty of driving over the limit many times in his/her life. It's very difficult to avoid without drawing some lines for oneself that are not all universal even today, and practically did not exist 20yr ago.

          Unless your are one of those persons who really and for true has 1 (one) glass of wine with dinner and nothing else, or nurses 1 (one) pint over a night on the pub, this applies to you, so long as you drive.

          I'm not condoning it, just stating what I believe to be a fact. The point of this rant is, the electro-bike sales manager should lighten up a whole lot on her customers.

          You'll pay me the 8s I won of you a-betting?

          by Boreal Ecologist on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 02:25:47 PM PDT

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          •  In BC, 80mg alcohol in 100ml blood gets you a (2+ / 0-)

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            90 day driving suspension and a criminal record.

            People charged with impaired driving would not be my favorite people.

            It is an interesting fact that this segment of the population, has created a market for e-bikes, that was my point.

            This above all: to thine own self be true...-WS

            by Agathena on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 07:01:19 PM PDT

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            •  there but for the grave of god.... (1+ / 0-)

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              ...it's remarkably easy to be guilty of 0.08

              I remember as a lad visiting some mittel european country with my family, in the early 70s. Mom's old connections would not take a drink with my folks, because if you got nailed for impaired driving (and a remarkably stringent definition of impaired was used) you were in way serious trouble.

              My point was that very very many more people have been guilty of impaired driving, in the strict blood alcohol sense, than ever have been charged or convicted of it. A sizeable majority of the adult population, I reckon.

              It may be true that many of those actually charged are your reckless habitual sots blowing 0.20, weaving down the street at 120km, endangering everyone within bowshot. But the law does not distinguish, as you point out.

              You'll pay me the 8s I won of you a-betting?

              by Boreal Ecologist on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 08:30:03 PM PDT

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            •  and e-bikes == good. forgive the hijack. n/t (1+ / 0-)

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              You'll pay me the 8s I won of you a-betting?

              by Boreal Ecologist on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 09:35:42 AM PDT

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  •  As far as I know, every system like this has (0+ / 0-)

    fallen to theft and vandalism in short order.

  •  1000 euro bikes (8+ / 0-)

    Brave of them to secure a $1300 bike with a "several hundred dollar" deposit.  I guess it will also be hard to sell a bike painted in distinctive colors that the whole city recognizes.

    And that's a pretty darn good bike, as well.  Although I guess they get more use than even the most dedicated cyclist.

    But overall, I think this is a terrific idea.  I'd love to see this in American cities.  Besides the usual Energize America benefits, it adds value to public transportation, allows people to more easily run errands in the middle of the day, reduces traffic, fights obesity.

    Also, it builds more of a pro-bicycle constituency.

    We have got to start pushing for this in the US.

    •  yes (6+ / 0-)

      Also, it builds more of a pro-bicycle constituency.

      Nothing gets people more excited about bikes than trying them out for a while. I recently bought my first bike since childhood. I bought a used, cheap department store bike because I didn't want to invest much money. Now I LOVE riding, and the next time I buy one, I won't hesitate to buy a decent one at a bike shop.

      Bikes are not just good for the environment; they're fun, fun, fun!

      Give non-riders a chance to try them out and we'll have much more demand for bike paths, bike lanes, bike racks in front of all businesses, etc., which in turn will bring even more people to bicycling.

      "I'm bad at being subtle, but I ain't that tough." -Joan Jett

      by foxfire burns on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 01:45:19 PM PDT

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  •  how about Energy Sex.... (8+ / 0-)

    ...(cuz sex sells...)...dude, I LOVE this diary...I LOVE Paris for doing this...(and if you have ever driven in Paris you know what a cool beginning this truly is....)

    I just got home from riding my bike to the gym and the farmer's market. My bike has become my main form of transportation and I am down to using my car 1 day a week. I bought my bike at the onset of the Iraq invasion. It is one way I am making a conscious effort to eliminate my dependence on fossil fuels and to stop lining the pockets of those who are driven to destroy the earth in the quest for oil/money/power....a bit dramatic, I know, but I feel good about it.

    "Immigration is the sincerest form of flattery." ---Jack Paar

    by bic momma on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 12:55:36 PM PDT

  •  Very clever. (6+ / 0-)

    I would participate, if the cars were kinder to the cyclists....I know, they are supposed to share the road.  But we all know they don't.  And there aren't enough bike lanes right now.  Peak oil should take care of that.

    The ZipCar carsharing is working well here.  

  •  Zipcar does bikes... (2+ / 0-)

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    I like it, it's a good idea...my question inre: implementation of same in US cities, though, is - wouldn't those who are inclined to rent bicycles be those who already use public transportation (subway, bus, light-rail)?  I could see something like this working in Boston, San Francisco, Portland, NYC, etc...but is it feasible in Houston, Phoenix, Oklahoma City, Atlanta?  And would it reduce traffic / emissions in any way in these places?

    Again, a great idea - if it's done in conjunction with making our more 'sprawling' cities here in the US, more compact...we've got a lot of work to do over here - and I fear, not much time....

    Thanks for this diary.

  •  I love this! (1+ / 0-)

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    Thanks A Siegel--what an awesome idea.  Every city in the US should have a similar program going, yesterday!  

  •  I love this. (5+ / 0-)

    Another excuse to go to Paris! Tee hee. The main downside I see for this to work in the U.S. is that most cities are not designed to be bike-friendly. Planners put great effort (well, sometimes) into laying out streets and shopping centers, and maybe even a park with a nice path to ride on, but they almost never consider making places conducive and safe for walking and biking. Casual biking, maybe, but not commuting. For example, I live a mile from just such a park, but in order to ride my bike there, I'd have to put it on my car's bike rack and drive it over! The only street that accesses the park is heavily trafficked, 2 lanes with no shoulders, a canal and metal barrier on one side, and a teeny little sidewalk on the other. If city planners even put paths for bikes in, it's usually as an afterthought, i.e., "Where can we cram this path that the city council said we had to put in?" It's really frustrating, especially for me because I live quite close to many stores I need, and even my job is only 5 miles away, but you take your life in your hands trying to ride a bike around here. Add to that the typical American's bizarre love affair with his car and general disdain for anyone who isn't in a car when he drives by, and well, you all know what I mean, I'm sure.

    Well sorry, that turned into an unexpected rant! LOL. The only other advice I can give is, if Dumbya ever goes to Paris, keep him away from those bikes cuz he'll probably wreck them and kill innocent pedestrians.

    Don't trust any UID over [insert current highest number here].

    by pattyp on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 01:20:06 PM PDT

    •  Agreed ... (5+ / 0-)

      Reason that I would want an enclosed, power-assist bike for my commute is that I'd have about a four-mile ride to the bike path and those four-miles mainly fit what you are describing, with drivers who certainly don't seen inclined to pay attention to bicyclists.

      On the other hand, as someone who has biked a bit and who used to bike to work (different residence, different job) and who has lived in Europe, must say that I'd be sort of nervous biking around Paris.  Don't think those roads, spaces, or drivers are that friendly to bikes.

    •  Nice rant! (4+ / 0-)

      I managed to avoid the rant in my comment up above, which was in a similar vein...and you're absolutely right - riding a bike around here in Newark, NJ probably gives you worse survival odds than Russian roulette.  I stick to my feet, trains, subways, buses and light-rail (I don't own a car) - I'm moving to California later this year and I'm hoping Oakland is friendlier to bicyclists, but I'm not placing too much faith in that...

    •  What's the speed limit on the 1 mile between (5+ / 0-)

      your home and the park?

      I can't imagine not cycling that single mile. The law permits you to ride on the road, unless it's a limited access highway with speed limit 50+ (? it's been a decade since I was up to snuff on this.)

      I cycled everywhere 1977-1997, even using the shoulder of US 29 to commute between Balto & DC. Skill & confidence is most of what's required for cyclotransport. Fitness develops in time.

      •  35 mph is the limit (2+ / 0-)

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        But in reality, it's not unusual for drivers to go up to 45. I just can't ride that fast. Oh, I've done it before, it's doable, just scary. The problem is that drivers here (Florida) are rather disrespectful of bikers and walkers. They'll try to squeeze by you rather than wait for a break in oncoming traffic to pass, and if I'm riding on the canal side and they cut too close, I'll be eating "safety" rail or enjoying a roughly 10 foot drop into the water. This is what I meant by city planners making roads bike-friendly - planning for bike lanes from the start rather than tossing them in as an afterthought, if at all.

        Don't trust any UID over [insert current highest number here].

        by pattyp on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 03:09:50 PM PDT

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        •  here in Jersey... (1+ / 0-)

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          '35 mph' speed 'limits' apparently mean 55 or 60....so I know what you mean,and I'm sure I'm not alone here...

        •  rostra? (2+ / 0-)

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          KiaRioGrl79, A Siegel

          I got encouraging experience when SUV tried to pass me on the left as I was preparing for the left turn.  My medical bills: 40 dollars, bicycle repair: zero!, jacket replacement: 200.  In the meantime, SUV allegedly sutained damage of 2000k (someone commented that breathing hard on Mercedes SUV causes damage nearly as large).

          One could enhance that effect by having spikes on your rear axle.  I mean, just regular axle can score the side of a car pretty well, a spike would just enhance the psychological effect.

          A less misanthropic idea would be to have a turning light on bicycles.  It is not easy to go downhill, execute a turn and give hand signal in the same time.

          •  Obviously ... (0+ / 0-)

            the thing that we fear is that a few centimeters of a different direction and that $40 doctor visit becomes a hospital stay or worse ...

            But, I bike on streets all the time. There are some, however, that are rather tight for riding in rush hour traffic.

            •  itemization (2+ / 0-)

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              25, emergency room co-payment, 10, family doctor co-payment, 4.50 -- pain-killing medicine for 3 weeks.

              Now I am flapping my hand very diligently in that spot, but it is a bit hard -- as I wrote, downhill left turn.  One thing is that who knows what is sufficient for the drivers to see you.  The bicyclist who was killed in my town last year had misfortune of having a legally blind driver behind.

              •  4 of my cycling friends have been killed (2+ / 0-)

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                in accidents with cars. I don't know (as I wasn't present) whether three of them were 'obeying the rules of the road'. In the fourth case it was the cyclist's fault, from reports of witnesses who were also cyclists.

                I've been hit by motorists 4 times, once doing a flip over the hood of a car and landing on my back in the street. My front wheel was pretzeled, but the next day I cycled 100 miles. In the other three incidents I had executed evasive maneuvers and merely scraped by or lightly bounced off of a bumper. One time a city bus pushed me onto the sidewalk, into the waiting fares, as I was cycling past a bus stop. This was clearly intentional. I was so angry that as soon as I had replaced my chain I managed to catch up with the bus, boarded, gave the driver a piece of my mind, then filed a complaint. Some guys threw a six-pack of empties at me once. Someone threw a watermelon at me. A dining table slipped off the roof of a car that had just passed me, smashing into kindling on the road in front of me.

                I was witness to a bike-on-bike head-on accident in which one cyclist was killed when the handlebar of a thrid bike in the crash penetrated her brain, and she landed in the lap of the fallen third cyclist, who calmly stayed still while flipping out his cell phone and calling 911.

                Aren't car accident fatalities far higher than cycling fatalities?

          •  If you are taking position for a left hand turn . (1+ / 0-)

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            ... somewhere between the the middle of the lane and the left hand wheel of a following car, and are giving the indication before making the turn, or the merge into the left hand turn lane, you don't need to hand your arm out for very long. A quick point "I'm going thataway" will get the idea across.

            Cars don't normally rear end bikes, so its a lot safer to get in front of their bumper when there's no room for them to pass safely in the lane or, as in turning, you are going to be going where they would be passing.

            •  intellectually (0+ / 0-)

              I agree, but having been in slightly intimate contact with a car that was passing me in no-passing zone even though I think I was indeed between the middle and the left side of the lane, I can't help but feel a bit of trepidation.  (Especially that my contact with the pavement as all too intimate.)

              Police in this country is full of bright ideas like that the only legitimate way for a bicyclist to make a left turn is to stop, dismount, and walk across.  This is official advise in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.      

              By the way, cars rarely rear end bikes, but they do.  The results are not pretty.

              OTOH, hunting accidents happen and people keep hunting.    

              •  Yeah, and sometimes cars get flipped over by ... (0+ / 0-)

                .. semis, and the results are even uglier.

                However, that advice is the most dangerous I can imagine, because it encourages cycle lanes to be taken all the way to the intersection instead of merging with traffic as they should, leading to fishook lefts. As the price of gasoline rises over the next ten years, whomever wrote that advice will have blood on their hands.

    •  dangerous roads are safer (2+ / 0-)

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      Anegdotal evidence suggests that on dangerous roads drivers are much more careful.  A perfect road has hardly any shoulder (oscillating between 1 ft and zero), has quite a bit of traffic, and is windy.  You would be surprised how careful the drivers are.

      In my area there is actually some progress with bike path.  Sadly, one commemorates a killed bicyclist.  But sidewalks are designed by people with perverse sense of humor.  E.g. in my development one street has a beatiful sidewalk on one side.  Traffic is as close to zero as on other streets.  On the other hand, the trunk road is aforementioned dangerous street.

      At one end of the local shopping mall there is a beatiful sidewalk paved with yellow bricks which ends at a busy street with big stores on the other side.  Cunningly, the end of the sidewalk is flanked with "no pedestrian crossing" signs.  Mind you, there is a bus from downtown to the shopping mall, once an hour.  So the planners imagine that to shop, say, in Macys AND Barnes and Nobles one should take a bus, then wait an hour, and take the next bus.

  •  So the big money is in advertising.... (4+ / 0-)

    I'm back because the capitalist in me is trying to figure out how to profit from this.

    I sell grocery carts--but not those nasty wire ones.  How can I get advertisers to pay, and reduce the cost of getting these into people's hands....hmmm....

  •  it's happening in portland, or (6+ / 0-)

    mydd straw poll vote: 1. other (gore) 2. unsure 3. dodd 4. edwards 5. obama

    by colorless green ideas on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 01:33:12 PM PDT

  •  I just got an electric-assisted bike (5+ / 0-)

    that plugs in every night for a couple of hours. It can go 20 mph - not for children under 12 but too slow to require a MV license. I will get a rebate on the GST tax paid because of a BC(Canada) government program to encourage bike ridership.

    Our small city needs to provide covered bike stands for these bikes. That's something I will be asking City Hall about.

    This above all: to thine own self be true...-WS

    by Agathena on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 01:39:54 PM PDT

  •  One thing I noticed... (8+ / 0-)

    ...it's too bad the bikes (pictured) don't have a rack in the back. I notice they have a front basket....but a rack with elasticised flat cording (like I have) to tie your load down would be great....and allow one to haul more...a basket for market shopping, a brief case, laptop, etc....

    "Immigration is the sincerest form of flattery." ---Jack Paar

    by bic momma on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 02:03:23 PM PDT

  •  I was just looking at bikes today! (1+ / 0-)

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    This is really quite a coincidence, I guess.

    I'm thinking of buying a bike to commute spring/summer/fall (definitely not winter, although if the climate keeps changing that might change, too).

    The thing is, the bike is going to cost about $500 cdn, plus helmet, bell, and I guess an attachment for a water bottle... and right now my commute's only about ten minutes so I don't know that the cost is going to work out to actually saving me any money on gas.

    I'm pretty much at the point where even if I take a bit of a hit in the wallet, it's worth it for me to do it anyway. But man, that sticker shock was a killer...

    Sure, he comes across quiet and avuncular. Until he gets mad ... then he sounds like God on a bad day. ~ Dallasdoc on Senator Patrick Leahy

    by KiaRioGrl79 on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 09:04:55 PM PDT

    •  economical suggestions (2+ / 0-)

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      try a bike under 300.  First of all, try one without shock absorbers, cheaper and easier to maintain.  Consider even a super cheap bike for 100 bucks.

      Second, splurge on fenders, 20-30, helmet, 30, gloves, 10-20, lights, 30.  Water bottle is less essencial, although cheap.  Count 100 bucks per year for maintanance.

      Maintenance cost go down if you buy a gadget for 20 bucks for cleaning the chain, and use normal car de-greaser (the fluid "specially formulated for bicycles" is absurdly expensive).

      Savings: a mile on bicycle costs between 3 and 10 cents.  A mile in a car costs between 10 and 40 cents.  Regular exercise is worth quite a bit, check the fees in a local club.  Consider running some errands on bicycle, e.g. going to a bookstore, library, convenience store (and even making groceries).  If you have a significan other, regular use of bicycle can reduce the number of cars in the family from two to one --  now we are talking about real savings.

      •  Thanks for the tips (1+ / 0-)

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        After spending the entire weekend looking at bikes, I ended up getting one that was (total, including helmet, new seat, gloves and tax, lights and bell) $550 Canadian. I think, when you take into account the exchange rate, that's probably about the $300 or so you were suggesting.

        I haven't got the chain cleaning gadget yet, or the chain lubricant, but I don't pick the bike up until Saturday, so I've got a little time.

        All in all, I am soooooo looking forward to this! I haven't smiled so much about a purchase in a long time. :)

        Sure, he comes across quiet and avuncular. Until he gets mad ... then he sounds like God on a bad day. ~ Dallasdoc on Senator Patrick Leahy

        by KiaRioGrl79 on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 05:54:23 PM PDT

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        •  economics of chain maintanence (1+ / 0-)

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          Road grit sticks to the chain and wears the chain and the cogs, and in my normal use it had to be replaced each year (chain and the cassettes of cogs) for 50+.  With weekly cleaning, it lasts several years.  However, the specialty liquid (it is really a washing liquid, not a lubricant) each cleaning would cost 1 dollar.  With automotive de-greaser, it costs pennies.

          Another aspect of bicycle economy -- renter's insurance or home owner insurance.  As a homeowner you are probably insured, but as a renter, often you are not.  A policy is cheap and in USA it covers damaged to the property of others by your property, except motorized vehicles.  You scratch an SUV and they charge you for replacing a complete door (or two).  It is worthwile to be insured.

          •  wicked! (1+ / 0-)

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            Thanks for the heads-up on insurance - one of my best friends also happens to be my insurance broker, so it won't be a problem to add that to my renter's policy. Or are you suggesting that I get a vehicle policy for the bike?

            And I'll definitely be buying the automotive de-greaser to go with the chain-cleaning gadget I'll pick up later this week.

            Sure, he comes across quiet and avuncular. Until he gets mad ... then he sounds like God on a bad day. ~ Dallasdoc on Senator Patrick Leahy

            by KiaRioGrl79 on Tue Mar 27, 2007 at 03:27:03 PM PDT

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  •  Man, those things are iPod Cool ... (1+ / 0-)

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    ... So Frenchie ... So Chic

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