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Letter To a Former Hippie from a 20-Something

Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 03:07:10 PM PDT

These are my insane ramblings to my 55 year old former hippie mother.  I was attacked... ATTACKED I SAY... today when she accused my generation of never contributing and playing such an apathetic role in the political process.

"You guys are the problem!  Why aren't you marching in the streets?!  Why aren't you yelling at the top of your lungs?  Why do you prefer video games to the news?  How many hours a day do you spend on your computer and what good does it do you?"

... at the moment words choked up in my mouth.  Is this really what she thought of me and my friends?  Had she lost faith in all of us to do the right thing?  

So this is the letter I finally wrote to her today, during work that turned out to be half loving/half self-loathing of my generation with a smidge of honesty and a dash of hope.  Please excuse my voice of "we".  Obviously I'm not speaking for everyone so please don't be offended.  

Join me after the flip for a 20-Something's letter to a former hippy...

Ms. Muffin (pet name for my mother),

You asked me to tell you what the word on the streets was about the YouTube debate.  Honestly, I can't tell you much in that regard because frankly people in my neck of the woods have stopped talking about it.  I am constantly amazed at the attention spans of the media and the public.  This really was a ground-breaking debate.  A new usage of technology and including people in a process who have long been alienated.  This gives the opportunity (though a small window) for the younger generations to have a reason to get interested in politics again.  To be able to give volume to their voices which for so long had been discounted.  Granted, it had mostly been discounted because of our own doing... but in a lot of ways those of us that do care have still been marginalized because of our age.  

We don't vote in elections in the numbers that we should.  Many of us are seen as uncaring, video-gaming, spoiled brats who can go to a Rock the Vote concert for free because we're Fired Up! to see Green Day but when it comes to the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November we have other things to do like Comic Book Festivals and pot-smoking parties.  This is untrue.  Though we do tend to turn out in high numbers for free concerts, our election day woes for the masses of youths are not because we don't care, not because we don't feel the tightening grasp of the political noose (because anyone who has glanced at the price for 1 credit hour at an acceptable college can clearly see the great divide), it's because we have been taught through previous years that our vote really doesn't count.  

We don't have the kind of money it takes to have our interests heard.  I donated to a political campaign for the FIRST TIME EVER last week.  I was able to donate $10 and I felt DAMNED proud of myself.... until I scrolled down to see the other contributions.  PACs and Unions had donated thousands of dollars and though those groups were in my interest, I knew that if I called Hillary Clinton's office and asked to speak with someone about a few questions, I would probably be put off indefinitely because really, I'm just one vote to them.  She has to win whole states.  She has to win whole corporations and huge donors just to be able to compete in the election and most of her time has to be spent catering to those interests.  It's not her fault, it's the system.  But how much would I have to give to be able to ask,

"How will you protect my student loans from being sold to collection agencies that will fight me and harass me until I'm 80 years old?  How will you ensure that the job market stays open enough that if I decide to change jobs in the future that I won't have to start at $7.50 an hour again and claw my way to a living wage?  Do you have plans to make sure that I don't have to go to funerals of my friends of my friends' little brothers in the future because you've quit poking Iran and Pakistan with your proverbial sticks of justice and democracy?  What will you do to make sure that my children's life is better and filled with even more opportunity than my own?"

Do you think those questions are worth a hundred thousand dollars?  I bet their campaign fundraiser does.  

So this brings us back to the question... why are people of my generation so apathetic to vote.  Do you remember 2000?  People my age... this was the first election we were relatively mature enough to understand if not our first election to vote in.  This race was literally decided among a few hundred votes in some backward towns in Florida and Ohio.  Some of us had never even heard of the electoral college at that point, and the rest of us certainly had never seen a situation where it could reverse an election.  But this race came down to that odd provision put into the constitution back when there was no television and definitely not a reliable or even timely media.  This provision was marketed by the country's creators as a precaution to make sure the people of the country didn't accidentally elect an imbecile or crazy man because the pony express couldn't get the newspaper out until three months after the election claiming the candidate maimed three dogs and mowed down his own grandmother with his shotgun.   At this junction, though, even the electoral college could not safely prevent us from electing a madman... no, the supreme court was the ultimate accomplice.  This was such a ridiculous offense on the citizen's rights, that how could politics ever be taken seriously?  This act alone would discourage countless almost-graduates from considering a life in politics or even a minimal consideration of government.  So can you blame us for thinking that one vote doesn't count when the man sitting in the Oval Office probably couldn't pass the GED test tomorrow, but could sway the supreme court to discredit the decision made through every American that sported an "I Voted" sticker that day?

If that wasn't enough, I'll give you one more reason.  People like myself, who are not born with silver spoons lodged sweetly in their collective palates have a lot on their plates.  Of all the high hopes in my high school class, at this point (5 years after graduation), only 29 of my class of 112 have finished college with a degree (alumni website information).  The rest of us that tried and either failed or had more pressing matters come up, are now faced with a daunting challenge.  

Could I go back to school?  Yes.  

Would it be harder than before?  Yes.  

Are you smarter and wiser and more understanding of discipline at this point?  Yes.  

Will you be able to balance 23 hours of school per semester, a 40 hour per week job, student loans, and 20 hours of reading and comprehension per week?  If we're honest.... probably not.  

So here we are at the next junction, will the rest of my life be miserable if I don't graduate college?  Probably not.  

Will it be harder than those that were able to finish college?  No question about it.  

The housing market is falling through the cracks right now.  This is not because the companies inflated their projections.  This began when subprime loans, or lower class families couldn't afford their house payments.  That was bad enough news, because we're all thinking... in a few years I'm going to need to buy a house and that would be the market I'd be buying into.  Does that mean I'm not going to be able to afford my payments?  Does that mean I won't even be able to get a loan?  Then today the worse news happened.  Normal, good credit, middle-class loans are foreclosing as well.  These are the people who should be able to not only afford their house payments but have cushions for vacations and new cars and retirement funds to boot... and they can't even afford their house payments?!  The inevitable question rears its ugly head... what does that mean for me?  Even if by the grace of God I am able to break that earthquake proof ceiling over my head, and jump into that comfortable upper class level... I'M STILL GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS!  

What a horribly bleak outlook for my generation.  We haven't even had our kids yet!  We don't even know what a 401K is used for!  We're still searching the couch cushions for enough money for a latte!  That pinprick light at the end of the dauntingly long tunnel, this star in the sky I've clung to even knowing the light reaching me is lightyears away just flickered and disappeared.   There is a clear downward spiral happening, and to think that the relatively educated, lower class 20-somethings aren't seeing it is to be naive and stereotypical.  We do see it.  We feel it.  We hear it.  So at the end of the day when we're organizing the budget, thinking where we can move to find a better job, and praying our abused vehicle will cough up a few more miles... who has time to think about politics?  Who the hell has time to stand on street corners with a shirt that says "Enough!" and get spit on by goat ropers and flipped off by church grannies?  Who finds him/herself with the advantage to be able to afford to make a statement to Wal-Mart by shopping at the corner gourmet?  When I get off work I might want to sit outside with my friends, have a few drinks, crawl into bed and sleep late on Saturday... why is that seen as such a luxury when others can play golf 6 days a week and go to church on the other?  Why do we seem spoiled for wanting to do that?  

Our pressures and our fears are no less than yours.  Most of us don't have families to support yet, but that doesn't mean we don't recognize at some point in the future... whether it is convenient or not, we are going to fall in love, get married, and have babies.  We will, and we are painfully aware of it.  Not only do we feel the moment's pressures, but we have the responsibilities of the years to come.  Don't you know each of us are picturing those kids in our classes growing up, the ones who we know had everything and subsequently still do.  We're picking out which ones will be our mayors, which will be our children's principals, which will be ambulance chasing lawyers, which will go to rehab, which will have snotty little kids we'll have to listen to our kids complain about, which will maybe go even further to where their influence isn't just local.  That in itself is terrifying and we feel the pressure of needing to change that.  Needing to prevent some of those people from being in those positions to which they are pre-destined unless we're able to infiltrate the boy's and girls club.   We have to balance our paychecks and squeak by each week just like you do.  We don't feel like we should make decent money and still have to have a part-time job or two.  We get exhausted and frustrated just like you do, and sometimes want to read junky People magazines to see what Paris is up to or play video games until our eyes bug out, just like you enjoy Grey's Anatomy reruns and who's standing where in NASCAR this week.  

The point of this rambling is to say, we don't vote because it's hard to pay attention and care when you're already a discounted member of society... and those truly spoiled pot heads and sorority queens who don't vote... don't vote because they don't care.  We are painted by the camera-friendly few.  I'm aware lots of us were spoiled growing up, threw away good opportunities, like to party hard and have little responsibility, were slow starters on the path to maturity, and like video games, email, and frappacinos, but that doesn't mean we're worthless.  Don't loop the rest of us into this crotch-showing, sex-tape-making, coke-snorting, binge-shopping tribe of haveitalls.  Don't make this mistake, because you'll discount us even before we've had a chance to prove anything.  People become what you expect of them... and if you let us be represented by the small portion of losers that are the most visible then you will suffer the consequences of the Paris Hiltons and the Lindsay Lohans getting and doing anything they want because you never put faith enough into the rest of us who might have been able to stand against them and change the world.    

I thought the YouTube debates were a step in the right direction.  Show the tech-savvy generation that they, too, can be a part of the process.  You don't have to donate a hundred thousand dollars to ask a presidential candidate a question, all you have to have is a digital webcam and a thought process.  They're still going to poke fun at this side of the population.  We're still going to make stupid videos that people cram to the internet's unconstrained peephole to laugh at.  We're still probably not going to show up in record numbers at the polls and we still probably would rather spend Friday night watching reruns of the Simpsons than sit around at the town hall meeting.  But this is the right direction.  This, through the backdoor of insane corporate sponsorship, gave us a quiet but resonating voice.  This shed light that some of us do think about these issues even if we're not the first ones to volunteer for a fundraising bake sale.  

We gather our information in a whole new way.  We choose what we think is true and factual by seeing five different reports/videos/podcasts about the same issue instead of hearing it on Fox News at 7am for a sixty second blip and assuming it's true.  We videotape everything and when you fuck up and say Macaca we'll be there to spread it to half the country before you can say "Oppsies!".  After 2006 it is nearly impossible to say that we don't contribute.  We may not believe that our one vote counts as much more than an antiquated symbol of American freedoms to please the corporate puppetmasters in ensuring our complacency.  We might even be conspiracy theorists claiming that 9/11 was an inside job and I have the clay models exactly to scale in my basement.  You might not even hear about some of the brilliant works we've authored because the world wide web is so big you could never run across all of our accomplishments, but we run in circles.  Think of the internet as one giant conversation and we're all talking to each other and finding niches and seeking out abilities that are complimentary to a specific goal in mind.  We're working together even when it just feels like we're playing around.  There are the older crowds that have bought into some of the bigger spaces, but it is vastly consumed by the twenty-somethings.  We point out liars to the best of our abilities, we catch fools in the act and exploit them for our own popularity mixed with the need to call a spade a spade, and we are passionate about things the older generations have even yet to understand their future impact.  We believe in something bigger than ourselves and though we may not slap a religion on it and govern our joy by ten commandments, but instead pay homage to the Punk Rock dieties that be, doesn't mean there isn't something spiritual in the way we feel the music.  We stay in coffee houses or the local IHOP or the taco bell parking lot until 3 in the morning but the mass majority of it is just talking and sharing and trying to find optimism even if it's for a few hours.  We are selfish but we also realize a community at work and there is hope in that.  

There is hope in us.  There is hope that the next YouTube debate will be even better and more real than the first.  There is hope that even aside from our quiet and virtual movement inside the wires, we'll vote and we'll make a difference.  There is hope for the next generations as long as you keep believing in us, and I think this debate was the first acknowledgement of our unaccredited power.  Does anyone know the name of the guy who shot the Macaca video?  Does anyone know the true identities of the bloggers that volunteered to root through the thousands of files in the email dump the White House flopped on a Friday afternoon that ended up paving the way for the investigation and thereby the contempt charges that are about to be filed on Harriett Miers?  

Our reasons for doing things may not be for the noble cause, maybe it's just because it's fun and we enjoy it... but that doesn't take away from the fact that we're still doing it.  Don't discount us just because our contributions are often anonymous.   Keep doing things like YouTube Debates.  Keep talking about it because it's YOUR voice that keeps programs on televisions and dictates what the high news hours are filled with.  You contribute to those things without even knowing it, so keep talking about it.  We're still kids.  We still need the encouragement and the pep talks and the pushing and prodding to do good things, you're our moms and dads and that's what you're supposed to be for.  When we were in school you never failed to do good and go the extra mile, so why would you stop?  Just keep pushing and eventually we'll learn how to balance and pedal at the same time all by ourselves.  And one day we'll be able to smile and astonish you by saying...

Look Ma, No hands.

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  •  All of your thoughts... (32+ / 0-)

    I may have gone off the deep end today...

    Eeek!

    "In political discussion heat is in inverse proportion to knowledge." J. G. C. Minchin

    by LucyMO on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 03:01:38 PM PDT

    •  right there with you Lucy (6+ / 0-)

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      this is a diary I've wanted to write myself, but couldn't find the words. You did. Thank you.

      During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. - George Orwell

      by kyril on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 03:08:17 PM PDT

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    •  I understand this and wish you well.... (11+ / 0-)

      In my case, I got radicalized by the draft during Vietnam while I was in college, and later Watergate, and of course before this, the death of JFK, MLK and RFK. So I experience Bush/Cheney and it brings back memories.

      It's a different connected world now and I love it, and so, I hope you find your political/economic place and can make things better---and more fun along the way.  

      Take care.

      •  I can't imagine some of the things (4+ / 0-)

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        that you have endured and I'm sure this administration is more than haunting.  

        Thank you for your kind words, knowing there are folks out there like yourself make it seem a lot brighter.  

        "In political discussion heat is in inverse proportion to knowledge." J. G. C. Minchin

        by LucyMO on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 03:26:17 PM PDT

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    •  Excellent letter (9+ / 0-)

      Your letter is just perfect.  You know something funny?  I could have written something very similar and I'm at least as old as your mother.

      I think there is more in common at both ends of the age spectrum than people might think.  Your group probably has more energy than mine.  You probably still have the capacity to get blindingly, ragingly, redredREDred mad..so angry you can't even see.

      I find that people's attention spans are very short, and it's not a lot of use energizing them to vote too far in advance.  But it's an awful lot of fun near election time to see how many people's buttons you can push.  And if you can get them seeing red, maybe some of them will vote.

      Anyway, I enjoyed your letter, and it gave me some hope  for the future if there will be people like you in it.

    •  Squeaky little diaryvoice sez: (5+ / 0-)

      Rec me!  Rec me, please, people.  Thanksyousomuch. Yes, MmmHmm.

      America: Show your support for it with more than jingoistic slogans or leave it.

      by CJB on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 04:03:40 PM PDT

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    •  Entirely too kind. (1+ / 0-)

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      Real wages for college graduates have officially declined for the last decade, and unofficially we have more college graduates waiting tables and serving beers than ever before because the wages are better. Not that it matters much because the number of seats in university decline when budget deficits rise, but when surpluses rise income taxes decline. (Only to be replaced by parking fines - which are really just a tax on those who can't afford a driveway.)

      Businesses complain about the lack of skilled workers and the demographic threat of retirement, but refuse to hire young workers who don't have the experience of the boomers they're supposed to replace. Instead they demand we pay for the schooling our parents never had, so post-grad they can pay us what boomers earned when they dropped out of high school. Yeah, yeah: Tell me about the $3000 I can get for college from the GI Bill. Fact is, we'd have been better compensated to fight in Vietnam than in Iraq. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

      My advice to high school kids: fuck university, it'll never pay a return on the investment. Go straight to work or learn a trade, then get the degree if you are ever fortunate enough to find a job which justifies the investment.

      Politics? POLITICS? I'll tell you about fucking politics: I was a criminal at the age of 12 because I rode a skateboard, and twice the criminal at 16 because I went outside after dark. If you want the youth to vote, promise to fire 100,000 cops. I have friends who are doctors, who refused to vote because both candidates wanted to hire more cops.

      And how the fuck are you going to complain about MediCare when I'm 20-something and haven't had health insurance since the Millenium? What? You think I'm alone?!? It's the story of a generation (or three).

      Mom? Dad? Shut the fuck up and retire to the Philippines where your Social Security payments will give you the standard of living you're accustomed to. That's a Ponzi scheme which will be abolished if we're ever given the chance.

      /rant

      --- "I don't think opendna is a troll." - Valtin

      by opendna on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 07:27:13 PM PDT

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      •  PS: Old Hippies sold us out already (0+ / 0-)

        In case anyone missed it, the 'kids' were in the streets in Seattle, and DC, and Quebec City and... but when push came to shove, Old Hippies and Boomers and unions stood back and waggled their fingers at the kids getting their heads cracked by cops, if they didn't just turn their backs and walk away.

        IMHO, it's a little late to judge us for not being in the streets.

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        --- "I don't think opendna is a troll." - Valtin

        by opendna on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 07:36:17 PM PDT

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    •  Absolutely great! (0+ / 0-)

      And renews my resolution to stand on the street corner on weekend nights with my "Your Vote Counts" sign.

      Change the media ownership laws and reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

      by moosely2006 on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 08:04:09 PM PDT

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  •  That would be "hippie," BTW. (5+ / 0-)

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    Keep the faith.

    yes I know its spelled wrong but I can't figure out how to change it: triptych triptych triptych.

    by tryptich2 on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 03:19:41 PM PDT

    •  I'm such a loser... thanks! (1+ / 0-)

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      "In political discussion heat is in inverse proportion to knowledge." J. G. C. Minchin

      by LucyMO on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 03:20:51 PM PDT

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      •  Both spellings are accepted. (2+ / 0-)

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        •  Yes, but only one of them is right. :-P (4+ / 0-)

          Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil. -- teacherken

          by Mehitabel9 on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 03:52:55 PM PDT

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          •  Tell that to the Diggers (2+ / 0-)

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            THE DEATH
            OF HIPPIE

            October 1967
            Published anonymously

            OCTOBER SIXTH NINETEEN HUNDRED AND SIXTY SEVEN

            MEDIA CREATED THE HIPPIE WITH YOUR HUNGRY CONSENT. BE SOMEBODY. CAREERS ARE TO BE HAD FOR THE ENTERPRISING HIPPIE. The media cast nets, create bags for the identity-hungry to climb in. Your face on TV, your style immortalized without soul in the captions of the Chronicle. NBC says you exist, ergo I am. Narcissism, plebeian vanity. The victim immortalized. Black power, its transcendent threat of white massacre the creation of media-whore obsequious bowers to the public mind which they recreate because they too have nothing to create and the reflections run in perpetual anal circuits and the FREE MAN vomits his images and laughs in the clouds because he is the great evader, the animal who haunts the jungles of image and sees no shadow, only the hunter's gun and knows sahib is too slow and he flexes his strong loins of FREE and is gone again from the nets. They fall on empty air and waft helplessly to the grass.

            DEATH OF HIPPY END/FINISHED HIPPYEE GONE GOODBYE HEHPPEEEE DEATH DEATH HHIPPEE

            death 1. the act or fact of dying; permanent ending of all life in a person, animal, or plant. 2. (D-), the personification of death, usually pictured as a skeleton in a black robe, holding a scythe. 3. the state of being dead. 4. any ending resembling dying: as, the death of fascism. 5. any condition or experience thought of as like dying or being dead: as, it was death for her to have to see him again. 6. the cause of death: as, the atomic bomb was death to thousands. 7. murder or bloodshed. 8. (Obs.), pestilence: as, the Black Death.

            EXORCISE HAIGHT/ASHBURY CIRCLE THE HASBURY FREE THE BOUNDARIES

            OPEN EXORCISE

            exorcise 1. to drive (a supposed evil spirit or spirits) out or away by ritual charms or incantation. 2. to summon or command (such spirit or spirits) 3. to free from such a spirit or spirits.

            YOU ARE FREE. WE ARE FREE. DO NOT BE RECREATED. BELIEVE ONLY YOUR OWN INCARNATE SPIRIT. Create, Be.... Do not be created. This is your land, your city. No one can portion it out to you. The H/Ashbury was portioned to us by Media-Police and the tourists came to the Zoo to see the captive animals and we growled fiercely behind the bars we accepted and now we are no longer hippies and never were and the City is ours to create from, to be in. It is our tool, part of the first creation which the FREE MAN creates his new world from.

            BIRTH OF FREE MAN FREE SAN FRANCISCO INDEPENDENCE FREE AMERICANS BIRTH birth 1. the act of bringing forth offspring. 2. a person or thing born or produced. 3. the act of being born; nativity. 4. descent or origin. 5. descent from nobility. 6. the beginning of anything as, the birth of a nation. 7. an inherited or natural inclination to act in certain ways: as, an actor by birth.

            DO NOT BE BOUGHT WITH A PICTURE, A PHRASE.... DO NOT BE CAPTURED IN WORDS. THE CITY IS OURS. YOU ARE ARE ARE. TAKE WHAT IS YOURS.... TAKE WHAT IS YOURS

            THE BOUNDARIES ARE DOWN SAN FRANCISCO IS FREE NOW FREE THE TRUTH IS OUT OUT OUT truth 1. the quality or state of being true; specifically, a) formerly, loyalty; trustworthiness. b)) sincerity; genuineness; honesty. c) the quality of being in accordance with experience, facts, or reality; conformity with fact. d) reality; actual existence. e) agreement with a standard, rule, etc.; correctness; accuracy. 2. that which is true; statement, etc., which accords with fact or reality 3. an established or verified fact, principle, etc.

            WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF-EVIDENT, THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness – That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

            October 6,1967

  •  As an old hippie (19+ / 0-)

    I'd like to say that your diary was very well written, although you did misspell hippie.  Hippy describes someone who has gotten thick around the middle, and both spellings describe me. Let's talk.  
    The thing that made my generation take to the streets was the draft.  Word on the street was that the jungle was, well, a jungle, and those of us raised on Leave it to Beaver and Father Knows Best just hadn't planned on dying in VietNam.
    Another reason we seemed so "active" was that the civil right movement coincided with the anit war movement, and we had a lot of use for each other.  Our goals meshed on many different levels.  
    Tell your Mom she needs to be proud of YOU.  You are trying to do the right thing, and even if you haven't graduated college you can string your thoughts together in a coherent manner, which is more than can be said for our President.

  •  I'd be a very proud mamma (6+ / 0-)

    if you were my daughter.  Now, hurry up and save the world dammit!  I'm busy watching reruns of Northern Exposure.  :)

    Steny Hoyer = a slam dunk argument for term limits

    by jlynne on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 03:28:48 PM PDT

  •  Most of what you are going through right now (9+ / 0-)

    isn't that different than what I was going through at exactly your age.  You might not remember, but back when RAYGUN became president inflation was high, then unemployment was high and don't forget gas was high. I, however, could not afford to get high.

    I had a craptastic car that was broken more than it ran.  I knew exactly how far I had to walk to catch the only bus.  I couldn't afford to finish college and work full time, which slowed down my career greatly.

    I became a single parent and left the Republican party due to "family values"...but what I always did was vote.  Yes, there are times when I despair that my vote doesn't count.  See, I live in California and most races are already decided before our polls close....but then I remember...I vote for the right to complain about my fucking government, cause if I don't vote I don't have a leg to stand on when I bitch

    There are bagels in the fridge

    by Sychotic1 on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 03:31:53 PM PDT

    •  AMEN! (5+ / 0-)

      I try to explain that to my friends all the time that you can't complain if you don't show up at the polls... I typically get a "booooo" but I like to think that later in their beds with their teddy bears they think about it.  

      Your previous situation sounds a lot like mine. I couldn't afford to work and do school at the same time myself and I fear it will be the end of me.  

      Thank you for reminding me that there's light in that tunnel.

      "In political discussion heat is in inverse proportion to knowledge." J. G. C. Minchin

      by LucyMO on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 03:36:48 PM PDT

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  •  Beautifully written (7+ / 0-)

    Very moving letter, particularly this

    you'll discount us even before we've had a chance to prove anything. People become what you expect of them...

    I hope that when you are able to return to school that you pursue writing - you're a natural.

  •  Your 20 years old? Relax and have fun (8+ / 0-)

    you'll be fifty in the blink of an eye. Get that degree even if it means 2 classes a week twice as long. Don't take us hippies too seriously, after all we're hippies...we protest everything. After getting an education and having as much fun as possible, if you have a little time left then by all means be political. Remind your Mom that we hippies protested a lot but we goofed off even more. And yeah, we had fun!

    "I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies; for the hardest victory is over self." --Aristotle

    by java4every1 on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 03:46:28 PM PDT

    •  hahahaha! (5+ / 0-)

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      Thank you very much.  I try so hard not to get wrapped up in everything but when it feels like you're the only one watching then it's hard not to lose it.  

      I have a great time and I make sure I'm getting my fun in, but I also feel responsibility.

      I think I will try to go back to school, it may be one of the most important things I ever do for myself.

      Thanks for the perspective!

      "In political discussion heat is in inverse proportion to knowledge." J. G. C. Minchin

      by LucyMO on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 03:48:42 PM PDT

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  •  Hmmmm. (8+ / 0-)

    A few reactions from someone somewhat closer to your mom's age than yours and who identifies with hippies:

    it's because we have been taught through previous years that our vote really doesn't count.

    My own mother (a Depression baby) has been saying that very thing for as long as I can remember -- certainly since long before I was old enough to vote.  I simply didn't buy it -- or, rather, I have at various times agreed and disagreed with that assessment, but at no time did my agreement or disagreement keep me from actually going out and voting.

    We don't have the kind of money it takes to have our interests heard.  I donated to a political campaign for the FIRST TIME EVER last week.  I was able to donate $10 and I felt DAMNED proud of myself.... until I scrolled down to see the other contributions.

    A couple of reactions here.

    1. Donating $10 is great.  Don't compare your donations to other people's donations.  Some people have more disposable income than others.  Comparing yourself to them is silly.
    1. Hitting the streets is an alternative way to getting your voices heard.  I spent my entire youth and half of my adulthood being broke.  I can't remember when I actually made my first political donation, but I'm guessing I was well into my thirties.  But I started participating in (anti-Vietnam) protests before I graduated high school.

    If you have questions for Hillary, go to a town hall meeting and ask them.  Write to her and ask them.  Call her Senate office and ask them.  If you assume that the only people who have the right to address their concerns to her are those who are buying her with huge donations, then they win and the rest of us lose.

    If that wasn't enough, I'll give you one more reason.  People like myself, who are not born with silver spoons lodged sweetly in their collective palates have a lot on their plates.  Of all the high hopes in my high school class, at this point (5 years after graduation), only 29 of my class of 112 have finished college with a degree (alumni website information).  The rest of us that tried and either failed or had more pressing matters come up, are now faced with a daunting challenge.  

    Could I go back to school?  Yes.  

    Would it be harder than before?  Yes.  

    Are you smarter and wiser and more understanding of discipline at this point?  Yes.  

    Will you be able to balance 23 hours of school per semester, a 40 hour per week job, student loans, and 20 hours of reading and comprehension per week?  If we're honest.... probably not.

    I was 22 when I started college in earnest, after having spent a few years working "you want fries with that" jobs after high school.  My own choice to do so, so no complaints there, and no regrets either.  My experience at Taco Bell made me appreciate my college experience so much more than if I'd just gone straight from high school...

    Was it harder than before?  No, it really wasn't.  Once I got past the "I'm older than everyone here" stuff -- which took about ten minutes -- I was just fine.

    Was I smarter and wiser?  Hell, yes.

    Was I able to balance school and work?  Yep.  I worked anywhere from 20 to 40 hours per week the entire time I was in college to help pay the costs.  The rest came from a teeny Pell grant and a buttload of student loans.

    The housing market is falling through the cracks right now.

    True enough.  OTOH, I was in my forties when I bought my first house.  Until then, I rented, and mostly I rented cheap apartments because that was what I could afford while saving for my down payment and for my retirement.  It didn't kill me.  Home ownership in one's twenties is not an entitlement.

    Our pressures and our fears are no less than yours.

    Fair enough.  But they aren't any more than ours, either.  They're just different, and sometimes they aren't even different.  We -- your generation and mine -- have a lot more in common than you think we do.

    Just keep pushing and eventually we'll learn how to balance and pedal at the same time all by ourselves.  And one day we'll be able to smile and astonish you by saying...

    Look Ma, No hands.

    I submit that you're already there, and you just don't know it yet.

    Good luck.

    Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil. -- teacherken

    by Mehitabel9 on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 03:48:36 PM PDT

  •  I appreciate your letter (7+ / 0-)

    very much and I'm sure your mother will too.
    We took to the streets because that was our way to get attention fot the cause from our officials. You take to youtube and I,old hippie that I am,think it's great.It's your way and y'all do it well!
    I admit my son frustrates me sometime,he 25yo,with his lack of priorities,but if I take a step back I see it's my priorities he lacks. We talk alot about the old ways vs new ways. There are no wrongs,just different approaches.
    I know when the time is right he and y'all will step up and we fight together for what is right.
    I wish I was more 'tube' savvy to make my own youtube video,but I'm learning,slowly cause I was not born with the computer gene.
    Show your Mom to use the 'tube' and she won't feel so frustrated.It calmed me down quite a bit.

    "In a time of universal deceit -- telling the truth is a revolutionary act."

    by mint julep on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 04:04:15 PM PDT

  •  I'm your mom's age (6+ / 0-)

    as well as it seems are a number of posters here.

    Great post!  Make sure you save it to re-read later on.  Times are different now than when your mom was your age.  Politically, while things may actually be worse, culturally things are much better.  And a lot of that sixties fight was about culture.

    Though I can't say I'm a whole lot different today than I was in, say, 1969 or so, at least in terms of my cultural and political values, I will say that I would certainly agree with the poster who said that folks on each side of the age spectrum have more in common than they do differences.  America's economic machine wears all of us down, though differently depending on age.

    The sixties thing about not trusting anyone over 30 was silly, though at the time it might have had some small measure of validity due to the rapidly changing cultural mores at the time.  Nowadays, much less so.

    •  Thank you so much. (2+ / 0-)

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      I agree completely that we probably do have much more in common than we realize, I just wish I knew how to make that apparant.

      You are right that the cultural situation is much better and we are very lucky in that regard.  I'll do my best to remember not to take it for granted.

      Thank you!

      "In political discussion heat is in inverse proportion to knowledge." J. G. C. Minchin

      by LucyMO on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 04:10:26 PM PDT

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  •  Never Forget... (4+ / 0-)

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    The Kids Are Alright

  •  I'm your mom's age and have a 27 yr old son (6+ / 0-)

    I agree with all of the other commenters who have told you that things are different.  The draft was a ticking time bomb for teen-aged boys (and the girls who looooved them)and that is a huge motivator.  Apples and oranges, I think.

    I spend as much time with my son as he'll allow--I try to see his friends as often as possible.  Without exception, everytime I leave these young people I feel like I can rest assured that the republic is going to be in very good hands.  They're not greedy, they're not anti-gay, they're not racists.  They're just good men and women who have internalized the lessons that we hippies said we wanted to preach.

    Just keep doing your best.  You'll be fine.

  •  Hey. You guys have it tough. (4+ / 0-)

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    I have a 20 year old son, and he's doing what he can.  But we're looking at the situation, and realizing that due to health and other issues, we're gonna be helping him for a long, long time, I think.

    I don't see a lot of apathy among your generation, to be honest.  But maybe it's the group I hang out with.

  •  Mom was right...in a way (2+ / 0-)

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    Because you are incorrect on a few things. first:

    Though we do tend to turn out in high numbers for free concerts, our election day woes for the masses of youths are not because we don't care...it's because we have been taught through previous years that our vote really doesn't count.  

    Your vote most certainly counts! Who is it that taught you it didn't? Perhaps you don't realize that BOTH 2000 and 2004 were stolen. They were not legitimate elections. In addition, the reason they were able to steal the vote is because people with your attitude were apathetic, too busy with shopping and partying and buying into the crap that your vote doesn't count. If this country ever decided to get out in number, we could change things. As it is, those of us who vote are continually frustrated by those who do not recognize that it is their duty as a citizen to vote. Voter turnout in this country is pathetic. And, if you don't vote, you don't get to complain.

    People like myself, who are not born with silver spoons lodged sweetly in their collective palates have a lot on their plates.  

    Excuse me? I seemed to have missed my silver spoon Somewhere along the way. My dad died when I was 3 1/2. My mom worked three jobs to put herself through school, earn her degree and become a teacher. She could have been many other things, but with two kids to raise, she needed a job that would allow her to be home with us as much as possible.
    And I'll tell you something. The generations before my parents were very difficult. All those things you take for granted they never had. Sure Boomers were an indulged group, by and large, but we weren't all born with silver spoons - only the likes of George Bush were. Most of America has worked damned hard to get where they are.

    We may not believe that our one vote counts as much more than an antiquated symbol of American freedoms to please the corporate puppetmasters in ensuring our complacency.

    It's sad that you would feel your vote is an antiquated symbol. Again, I would say that if you and your friends learned about your government, how it works, and the importance of YOUR involvement, things could change. The Corporations were able to take over because of attitudes like yours.
    And all the little videos of "macaca moments" while great, as the Internet has been great at giving ALL Americans a new voice, are not worth a tinker's damn if you don't exercise your right to vote.
    I appreciate that you take the time to do such a post. But it also shows me that your mom was, in some respects, right.
    The most valuable commodity as an American is your vote. People have fought and died for it. Other people, in other countries would love to have that chance. It is slowly being taken away because enough Americans just don't give a damn to go to the polls.
    I've been a Dem all my life, and I've voted in every election. Has my candidate always won? Nope. But I can sleep at night, with no excuses, because I did my job. By your own admission, your generation would rather go to a concert than vote. It's, like soooo old fashioned!
    Your vote never goes out of fashion.
    one only hopes that your passion for other things in Your life's path will lead you to understand this.
    And don't take this too personally. Consider it one of the "pushes" you're looking for. If we are to win the fight, we need everyone in the battle. I did not know as much history back at your age as I do now. I have learned and been amazed at what I missed.
    History is a living breathing thing. And those who don't remember it, or learn it in the first place, are the problem we face right now.
    So live, learn, enjoy life, no matter what it brings.
    And, um, vote, 'kay?

    "In a time of universal deceit -- telling the truth is a revolutionary act."

    by MA Liberal on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 04:47:58 PM PDT

  •  You may already be "in the streets" (4+ / 0-)

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    All of us here are, in a way. (And I'm in your mom's generation).

    I know it's popular to say that sitting behind a monitor blogging and posting/viewing to YouTube is not really "doing" anything. But the point of marching in the streets with signs was in part to make it evident that lots and lots of people were pissed off. It was also in part to share that feeling with others who were like minded, to polish the message, "consciousness raise" and strategize together.

    So "marching" in the "tubes" accomplishes some of the same goals. How many LTE's get written? Letters or calls to Congresscritters? E-mails and action alerts to friends and relations? Polishing strategies and frames? Encouragment of (and from) like minded people?

    Does it get media attention like a good ol' march used to? Well, how many "hundreds with signs" get a small squib on page B4? Meanwhile, CNN co-sponsored a debate with YouTube; Bill O is shrieking hysterically about DKos; the Clinton campaign sent a rep over to Fox to talk about the netroots....
    Sure, lots of the coverage is about the "medium" more than the "message"; and so it was during street march days when the coverage was about the "dirty hippie lifestyle" rather than the messages.

    It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. - Aristotle

    by Catte Nappe on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 05:07:09 PM PDT

  •  great diary! (4+ / 0-)

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    Lord help me, but I am the mother of children your age.....how did that happen so fast?....because it seems like just a few years ago that I was a newly minted voter feeling the same pangs of helplessness that you are feeling now.  I was so damn busy trying to forge my way in the world (kicked out of the house at 18 with no idea how to go to college)that to think of becoming involved in some larger way in politics seemed like spitting into the wind. I still feel like that at times, but I continue to spit and spit and spit; hoping that it will land in the eye of the right person one of these days.

    Little by little my interest in the political process grew, not because I loved politics, but because I now had sons that could be sent to die for no reason and a daughter who could have the government residing in her uterus.  Life gives you chances like that to get involved, and I tell my kids, now young adults, that if you don't get involved you forfeit the right to bitch about the outcome of your own apathy.

    I know it's tough to care about the larger world when you have so many other things to worry about - but we all do and we all have to take part in whatever small way we can.

    Good luck to you....and your old hippie mom did a great job raising you.  Give her a hug.

  •  FWIW (4+ / 0-)

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    Did a little diary pimping
    Hope it helps a bit.

    It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. - Aristotle

    by Catte Nappe on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 06:07:03 PM PDT

    •  Hey :) Thanks! (4+ / 0-)

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      This was my first diary.  After I wrote it I just thought it was appropriate for this type of blog and couldn't find a good reason not to post it.  

      Thank you very much for all your kind words.  I'm definitely not hoping for a rec, just incredibly thankful there is a place to shout my voice once in a while when I think it's something valuable I might be saying (that is completely debatable 99% of the time).  :)

      I'm glad to show that my generation are not all partiers and spoonfed divas.  Some of us try really hard, it's just an uphill climb.  So, thanks for the extra push up that hill.  

      "In political discussion heat is in inverse proportion to knowledge." J. G. C. Minchin

      by LucyMO on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 06:18:51 PM PDT

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    •  It did. And THANK YOU, Catte Nappe. (3+ / 0-)

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      You steered me to an outstanding, beautifully and powerfully written diary by a young woman with talent dripping from her words.
      Lucy, my dear, you don't know how wonderful it is to think we're leaving this beloved country in your hands.  Puts the heart right back in to me.

    •  Thanks for pimping this (2+ / 0-)

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      It was one of the best things I'd read all day and i was sad to see it slipping off the page.

      During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. - George Orwell

      by kyril on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 06:47:00 PM PDT

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  •  Thanks for the terrific letter. It's inspiring (1+ / 0-)

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    The battles are much different today.  What is going on is a fight we started in the 60's.  Our opposition has analyzed the factors leading to our cultural ascendancy (mass media above all, televised war, common cause among the poor of all races and religions, and even creation of a dominant cool meme with social penalties for being too straight).  They have consciously taken control of the media, avoided showing the effects of war, polarized along any lines they could find, and made it socially embarrassing to be liberal, much less hippie.  In short, the right has upped the ante considerably, such that marching in the street isn't nearly enough any more.

    I feel apologetic for my generation.  We blamed the oldsters when we were young.  Are we blaming the youngsters now?  Has, "don't trust anyone over thirty" become "don't trust anyone under 45"?  The power and influence of our generation should be at its peak now, so we have now one else to blame but ourselves.  My impression is that we had good ideas and great intentions, but little stomach for a real fight.  Now that the fight is here, and the stakes seem to be democracy in the US, I hope I am wrong about our self-centered lack of resolve.

    Live your life, fight your fight.  We did (are doing) the best we could, and I'm sure you will too.

    As Greg Brown says, "It's your town now."  Followed by, "Don't let me down."

    The constitutional crisis was over two years ago. It's been full-scale erosion since then.

    by geomoo on Wed Jul 25, 2007 at 08:25:44 PM PDT

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