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Why I Have A Little Crush on Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 05:50:02 AM PDT

I know I'm a Jewish lesbian and he'd probably have me killed.  But still, the guy speaks some blunt truths about the Bush Administration that make me swoon...

Okay, I admit it.  Part of it is that he just looks cuddly.  Possibly cuddly enough to turn me straight.  I think he kind of looks like Kermit the Frog.  Sort of.  With smaller eyes.  But that’s not all…





I want to be very clear.  There are certainly many things about Ahmadinejad that I abhor — locking up dissidents, executing of gay folks, denying the fact of the Holocaust, potentially adding another dangerous nuclear power to the world and, in general, stifling democracy.  Even still, I can’t help but be turned on by his frank rhetoric calling out the horrors of the Bush Administration and, for that matter, generations of US foreign policy preceding.  

Recall that, back in May, Ahmadinejad sent a letter to President Bush:

For some time now, I have been thinking, how one can justify the undeniable contradictions that exist… Can one be a follower of Jesus Christ (Peace Be Upon Him), the great Messenger of God,

Feel obliged to respect human rights,

Present liberalism as a civilization model,

Announce one's opposition to the proliferation of nuclear weapons and WMDs,
Make "War on Terror" his slogan,

And finally, work towards the establishment of a unified international community --- a community which Christ and the virtuous of the Earth will one day govern,

But at the same time,

Have countries attacked. The lives, reputations and possessions of people destroyed and on the slight chance of the presence of a few criminals in a village, city, or convoy for example, the entire village, city or convoy set ablaze.

It’s a great question, which I’ve wondered myself.  He goes on:

Because of the possibility of the existence of WMDs in one country, it is occupied, around 100,000 people killed, its water sources, agriculture and industry destroyed, close to 180,000 foreign troops put on the ground, sanctity of private homes of citizens broken, and the country pushed back perhaps 50 years. At what price? Hundreds of billions of dollars spent from the treasury of one country and certain other countries and tens of thousands of young men and women --- as occupation troops --- put in harms way, taken away from family and loved ones, their hands stained with the blood of others, subjected to so much psychological pressure that everyday some commit suicide and those returning home suffer depression, become sickly and grapple with all sorts of ailments; while some are killed and their bodies handed to their families.

Ahmadinejad, it would appear, cares more about American troops than President Bush.  

There are prisoners in Guantanamo Bay that have not been tried, have no legal representation, their families cannot see them and are obviously kept in a strange land outside their own country. There is no international monitoring of their conditions and fate. No one knows whether they are prisoners, POWs, accused or criminals.

European investigators have confirmed the existence of secret prisons in Europe too. I could not correlate the abduction of a person, and him or her being kept in secret prisons, with the provisions of any judicial system. For that matter, I fail to understand how such actions correspond to the values outlined in the beginning of this letter, i.e. the teachings of Jesus Christ (Peace Be Upon Him), human rights and liberal values.

Again, Ahmadinejad, who has flagrantly trounced due process and the rule of law in his own nation is still way ahead of Bush on this point, too.

He then goes on to say that even if six million Jews perished in World War II (a point he concedes in this letter), that doesn’t give Israel the right to displace and terrorize Palestinians.  He doesn’t call for violence against Israelis.  He calls for ending violence against Palestinians.  

He takes up the charge of other communities struggling for freedom and justice:

Don't Latin Americans have the right to ask why their elected government are being opposed and coup leaders supported? Or, Why must they constantly be threatened and live in fear?

The people of Africa are hard-working, creative and talented. They can play an important and valuable role in providing for the needs of humanity and contribute to its material and spiritual progress. Poverty and hardship in large parts of Africa are preventing this from happening. Don't they have the right to ask why their enormous wealth -- including minerals -- is being looted, despite the fact that they need it more than others?

Again, do such actions correspond to the teachings of Christ and the tenets of human rights?

He seems to extend genuine condolences for September 11th:

September Eleven was a horrendous incident. The killing of innocents is deplorable and appalling in any part of the world. Our government immediately declared its disgust with the perpetrators and offered its condolences to the bereaved and expressed its sympathies.

And yes, he hints at a conspiracy theory that US intelligence forces may have been involved or complicit --- but it’s not a huge departure from the 9/11 commission and our collective recognition that, for all their failings leading up to the attack, the FBI and CIA got away clean.

Ahmadinejan also pins the tail on the US media:

After 9.11, instead of healing and tending to the emotional wounds of the survivors and the American people … some Western media only intensified the climate of fear and insecurity --- some constantly talked about the possibility of new terror attacks and kept the people in fear. Is that service to the American people? … American citizens lived in constant fear of fresh attacks that could come at any moment and in any place. They felt insecure in the street, in their place of work and at home. Who would be happy with this situation? Why was the media, instead of conveying a feeling of security and providing peace of mind, giving rise to a feeling of insecurity?

He’s accusing the media of being a mouthpiece of Bush’s “war on terror” instead of accurately informing the American public and, for instance, blames the media for supporting the campaign of misinformation that helped to justify the war in Iraq.  Again, this isn’t out there, lunatic, flaming anti-American rhetoric.  This is simply a powerful and accurate critique of the United States --- a critique that the Bush Administration and the media would rather silence.  Perhaps the Bush Administration’s campaign against Ahmadinejad --- just like its campaign against Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro and others --- isn’t as much about whether he’s a danger to the world.  There are plenty of leaders who are more dangerous (see, e.g., Kim Jong Il or the ruling junta in Burma).  And certainly, as Bush himself illustrates, there are good and bad qualities in all leaders (for the record, Bush was good on immigration for a minute).  

Could it be that, to the Bush Administration, one of the most dangerous things about Ahmadinejad is that he is calling the Bush Administration out?  And so, if Ahmadinejad can’t be silenced, at least he can be discredited.  I’m not saying he’s a good guy at all.  I’m only saying it’s hard to know the full story when the Bush Administration seems so invested in smearing Ahmadinejad --- and the media, as we’ve already learned with Iraq, is happy to choose its facts in convenient accordance.  Maybe we shouldn't buy into the Bush team's characterization of Ahmadinejad as part of their drumbeat escalating toward potential war.  Maybe we should listen to Ahmadinjead ourselves and sift through what, if anything, is worth hearing.  

Ahmadinejad ends his letter to Bush by noting how both their presidencies will be judged by history:

Did we manage to bring peace, security and prosperity for the people or insecurity and unemployment?

Did we intend to establish justice or just supported special interest groups, and by forcing many people to live in poverty and hardship made a few people rich and powerful --- thus trading the approval of the people and the Almighty with theirs?

Did we defend the rights of the underprivileged or ignore them?

Did we defend the rights of all people around the world or imposed wars on them, interfered illegally in their affairs, established hellish prisons and incarcerated some of them?

Did we bring the world peace and security or raised the specter of intimidation and threats?

Did we tell the truth to our nation and others around the world or presented an inverted version of it?

Were we on the side of people or the occupiers and oppressors?

Did our administrations set out to promote rational behavior, logic, ethics, peace, fulfilling obligations, justice, service to the people, prosperity, progress and respect for human dignity or the force of guns, Intimidation, insecurity, disregard for the people, delaying the progress and excellence of other nations, and trample on people's rights?

And finally, they will judge us on whether we remained true to our oath of office -- to serve the people, which is our main task, and the traditions of the prophets -- or not?

It striking when a leader with an abysmal human rights record is the one championing the rights of the poor and oppressed to the president of the United States who proclaims to be the world’s savior.  Dangerous, indeed --- certainly to the status quo he critiques.  

Monday, when Ahmadinejad speaks at Columbia University in New York, I’ll be listening.  Maybe with a bottle of wine and some soft music playing in the background.  If I can get past the fact that, as a Jewish lesbian, he’d probably have me killed, I’ll try to listen for some truth.

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  •  A world leader whose rhetoric doesn't match his (15+ / 0-)

    record....hmmm, I know I've seen that somewhere before.  Let me think....

    NetrootNews coming soon!

    by ksh01 on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 05:52:25 AM PDT

  •  This guy's taking a chance... (12+ / 0-)

    ...coming to a nation that's run by a terrorist group.  I wish him luck.

  •  My, aren't you open-minded! (7+ / 0-)

    With him from the beginning, with him until the end.

    by brooklynbadboy on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 05:57:44 AM PDT

  •  Kind of ironic (7+ / 0-)

    The entire Bush foreign policy can be summed up in the phrase:

    The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    and, yet, there are some here who love Ahmadinejad just because he hates Bush.

    I don't expect the Republicans to learn from their mistakes.  They're just not smart enough.  We are.

  •  Having Something In Common Is (2+ / 0-)

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    the cornerstone to effective and long lasting diplomacy.  So instead of having to threaten to invade Iran and hearing viscious cries from the right to "nuke them into the stone age" like we had to hear in the years leading up to the Iraq invasion...perhaps all we'll need is a simple:

    "WATCH IT, FROG!!!!"

  •  Bush/Ahmadinejad: Birds of a feather. (7+ / 0-)

    Unfortunately they have more in common that Bushco would EVER admit outloud.  

    Evidentally, the only ones capable of confronting a fascist...is another fascist.

    Spot it got it.  

    But that's why having Bush president is so, so, so dangerous. People really don't understand that our president is operating on delusional, paranoid thinking.  He's no christian. That's already a fact. Take Katrina. He has no interest in taking care of children, or feeding the poor, or ending violence against innocent people. These values are in direct opposition to his goals.

    The greatest gift you can contribute to the goal of world peace is to heal.

    by wavpeac on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 06:05:15 AM PDT

  •  To Be Broadcast on Bill O'Reilly Monday (10+ / 0-)

    Can't wait to see how this plays on O'Reilly, Limbaugh and Drudge Report.

    "Truck Stop Women," a New Film By Phil Gramm and John McCain.

    by bink on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 06:05:43 AM PDT

  •  Interesting diary! (10+ / 0-)

    I too find myself defending Ahmadinejad at times, despite the human rights abuses inside of Iran.  It's an odd position to be in and I don't do it without quite a bit of trepidation.  Though it's nowhere near a 'crush' on my part - it is a response to the demonization of both the man and his nation.  I find myself reading translations of his speeches looking for the sulphur-spewing Beezlebub and frankly, not finding him.

    I'm ready to give Ahmadinejad his due: he is highly intelligent and, despite the media here, has never said half of what's been attributed to his mouth vis a vis the Jewish race, Europe or the U.S.  

    •  And your first sentence will (1+ / 0-)

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      possibly be the headline on Faux News.  They couldn't have written the script better themselves.

      I think this is a set-up piece using a gay female player irrationally mesmerized by an evil leader who would possibly have her executed, while at least denying rights.  

      Don't bite, folks.

      I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.

      by exMnLiberal on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 01:48:16 PM PDT

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  •  I think you should reread the first (9+ / 0-)

    sentence of your diary, and then wonder why you  wrote the rest.

    •  Well, except for the "have me killed" part (3+ / 0-)

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      I've heard it before.

      ANYA: Willow thinks she's in love with my boyfriend, R.J.

      DAWN: What? No! You two can't do this.

      BUFFY: Willow, you're a gay woman, and he (pause) isn't.

      WILLOW: This isn't about his physical presence. It's about his heart.

      ANYA: His physical presence has a penis!

      WILLOW: I can work around it!

      There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't. -8.25, -6.21

      by Jacques on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 06:40:43 AM PDT

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    •  Title Could Have Been Written By Faux News (1+ / 0-)

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      Interesting diary but the title appears to represent the O'Reilly-Hannity view of dKos.----Why?

      Well I've been from Tucson to Tucumcari... Tehachapi to Tonopah--Lowell George/Little Feat

      by frandor55 on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 06:53:14 AM PDT

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  •  Why I have a little crush on Ted Bundy (4+ / 0-)

    I've been drinking heavily.

    McCain: Running for Hoover's 21st term

    by Finck II on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 06:17:15 AM PDT

  •  Oh, and by the way... I strongly rec this diary (7+ / 0-)

    Any example of open-mindedness that allows you to consider where you might agree with someone who's views you mostly disagree with is intellectually commendable, if not cathartic.

    RG likes to bring up the 80/20 Reagan line to ingratiate himself among conservatives, but that's hardly impressive; it's much more challenging and impressive to find someone who DISAGREES with you 80% and find common ground on the other 20%.

    I think this is a fantastic diary for that reason and I hope it makes the rec list.  

    Obama/McCaskill vs. McCain/Jindal? Call it a funny feeling.

    by ShadowSD on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 06:22:45 AM PDT

  •  You'll get a lot of s--t (1+ / 0-)

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    but it's a great speech by A anyway. Maybe the point is one wishes progressive politicians could craft a speech that covers all the bases this way--we can love the speech without forgetting A is a maroon and putting his people at risk with his bantam in-your-face foreign policy (much like Bush, as noted above). How many people have to die because of thwarted testosterone?

    Smart guy, but too much like Bush as noted above; nice to see him accede to the reality of the Holocaust. It's always a classy move to affirm documented fact, esp after you've gotten the whole world pissed off at you.

    I don't think he's as ignorant as our B is, but he plays a very dangerous game.

    •  see my comment 2 spots down. (0+ / 0-)

      ordinarily, i'd agree that his "bantam in-your-face foreign policy" was "putting his people at risk," and was little more than idiotic testeronics (i just made that word up, but i think it's a winner! so i get royalties! be on notice! Testeronics (C) Untimely Rippd, 2007, all rights reserved. also testosteronics, which is harder to type, but more consistent etymologically).

      but as i observe below, what is his alternative? how does one negotiate with a sociopath? conciliation did not work so well for s. hussein.

      I am further of the opinion that the President must be impeached and removed from office!

      by UntimelyRippd on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 06:58:01 AM PDT

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      •  I hear you, but (0+ / 0-)

        there are a lot of people who walk a more careful line and still get by.  I fear we're going to do military shit before Bush's term is up, and I feel if A had been content to hide his light under a bushel a little more he could've waited it out until a Dem was in office and the chances of getting his country blown to smithereens were a little lower.  

        Don't get me wrong--I am 100% against bombing Iran, and given how many others in the world have the atom bomb, I see no fair reason to deny them it--I am a lot more worried about USA love of bombing than I am of others. I wish they wouldn't pursue it, as I wish nobody else would pursue it, but given the 12? 14? enduring bases we're buildiing in Iraq right now and that (at least) Israel, Pakistan, India, and North Korea have the bomb, it seems almost like basic defense--if Iran had the atom bomb right now, we wouldn't be heading toward bombing them so blithely...

        I've thought his aggressive stance was smart before, because it focuses the world's attention on the region and several European countries don't see bombing Iran as being in their interests.  But I can't help feeling that a) indeed you can't negotiate with sociopaths, and Saddam was not as conciliatory as he needed to be to save his ass and his country from being bombed.  

        George Bush is a sociopath; but he does need SOME domestic support to bomb Iran, and unfortunately with intemperate language A gives Congress figleaves to hide behind while they back the next invasion.

        Syria has eaten quite a bit of crow, and they just got a little bombed (!) by Israel.  But other than that, they are riding out G Bush's insanity. Sometimes I think A is crazy like a fox, but sometimes I think he plays it too close to the edge.

        •  pretty much agree. (1+ / 0-)

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          my main point is really that, in his place, i don't know what the hell i'd do, but it might be something pretty crazy, because doing something sensible wouldn't seem likely to have much of an effect. so i can't criticize him, because i can't figure out what would be the wisest course.

          but that assumes, a priori, that he's searching for the wisest course.

          I am further of the opinion that the President must be impeached and removed from office!

          by UntimelyRippd on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 10:43:14 AM PDT

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  •  Ugh! (9+ / 0-)

    Expressing support for I'manutjob does the progressive cause no good.

    Blech.

    "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

    by Geekesque on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 06:48:33 AM PDT

    •  Well, it would be an odd world if our (3+ / 0-)

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      personal opinions were always in accord with a greater cause, wouldn't it? Then you would have perfect communists, perfect Republicans, perfect Democrats, perfect socialists, perfect progressives... and perfect Nazis.

      Also, I would like to point out that mr. Ahmadinejad does mae some good points; his criticism of the Bush Administration - and some of his other criticisms - are by no means unfounded and saying those things requires, well, guts, to be frank. How many talking heads do you see engaging in such direct criticism? Or politicians?

      That said, there is a darker side to mr. Ahmadinejad. He is something of a religious extremist, yes, and definitely not a progressive's typical ally, and his Holocaust-denying statements are disgusting. The question is how many statements of this nature are simply grandstanding and how many are truly meant.

      Mr. Ahmadinejad is a complex politician with many bad points. But we should approach each problem - and person - holistically, should we not?

      Omne malum nascens facile opprimitur, inveteratum fit plerumque robustius. - Cicero

      by Dauphin on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 07:14:53 AM PDT

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      •  Holocaust deniers are bad people. (8+ / 0-)

        A rule that has served me well.

        That doesn't mean we should refuse to negotiate with bad people, but we should refuse to adopt them.

        "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

        by Geekesque on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 08:05:17 AM PDT

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        •  I would not adopt them, no, (1+ / 0-)

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          but I would invite them for a discussion if they had something of substance to say. Nor would I hesitate to refer to them if I believed they were right concerning an issue. That does not mean I would like them.

          Also, I would not deny the fact that even a bad person has good points. For example, I despise George W. Bush. But I would point out that he could be a perfectly charming stoned rich party-boy if he hadn't found God (or thought he had, at any rate). Who can say? Such people, daft as they may be, tend to be the life of the party, if only because they try stupid things that no-one else, sober or not, wants to try, thus creating gossip. Bush is a horrible person. But he does know how to party (if you're into the pass-out thing), I have to admit. Admitting that does not mean I like him or that I would want to adopt him (God...).

          Omne malum nascens facile opprimitur, inveteratum fit plerumque robustius. - Cicero

          by Dauphin on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 08:11:27 AM PDT

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          •  I cannot believe what I am reading here (2+ / 0-)

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            I know I'm a Jewish lesbian and he'd probably have me killed.  But still, the guy speaks some blunt truths about the Bush Administration that make me swoon...

            ....so says the abused wife.
            GAAAAAAAAAG!

            A veteran is someone who, at one point in his/her life, wrote a blank check made payable to The USA for an amount of "up to and including my life." - unknown

            by AJsMom on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 03:56:40 PM PDT

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      •  Spoken like a true appeaser: (2+ / 0-)

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        Well, it took guts for him to criticize Bush. And besides, the queers weren't hanging from the crane THAT long.

        The holistic approach: Yo, Adolph. We'll defend Great Britain to the last man, but as to the Continent, we'll wait and see if you're grandstanding. We await the Czech and Austrian investigations.

        •  Appeaser? Oh, please. (0+ / 0-)

          Did I say that I support mr. Ahmadinejad? No. I simply stated that if he has a point, it should be taken int consideration.

          That said, do I support his policies toward homosexuals and people of other religions and political views? No, I do not. But no-one will sell me the story that all the sabre-rattling has been going on because our countries actually care about those poor people. If so, why aren't we threatening China? Or North Korea? Or Sudan? Or Pakistan? Surely the human rights abuses and the international outrages of those countries are at least on par with Iran's?

          Oh, and Iran has done nothing illegal under international law, therefore any sanction is purely political and has no legal backing. And don't give me that mushroom cloud argument. The IAEA has found precisely zero evidence for a nuclear programme.

          Therefore, Iran may be an unsavour country, yes, but no more unsavoury than many others. Am I an appeaser for saying that? If that is your definition, yes. I do not support Iran, but neither do I support illegal action and hypocrisy.

          Omne malum nascens facile opprimitur, inveteratum fit plerumque robustius. - Cicero

          by Dauphin on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 02:40:34 AM PDT

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  •  i don't know who the real ahmadinejad is. (3+ / 0-)

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    his public statements, taken in toto, seem so self-contradictory.

    but then, i don't envy his position. the sociopath in the white house, goaded and prodded by Darth Cheney and the other monsters of greed, clearly wants to attack iran. how can iran avoid such an attack?

    the naive observer might say, "by discontinuing its nuclear program". now, i'm not even going to bother with defending iran's rights to have a nuclear program, regardless of the opinions of bush or sarkozy. because history indicates that iran's nuclear program is irrelevant.

    as far as i could tell, saddam hussein conceded to pretty much every demand we put on him. when we found that he had built some missiles that, in our opinion, exceeded the performance characteristics allowed after Gulf War I, hussein had the missiles dismantled. we kept upping the ante on him, until, finally, left with nothing else practical to demand, we demanded that he leave office. given what iraq looks like now, one imagines that even if hussein had been willing (unlikely) he wouldn't have been able to figure out a way to do it that wouldn't have turned into a bloodbath.

    with this example in mind, ahmadinejad has no reason to believe that iran's nukes are anything more than a sham issue. to the contrary, unless he's an idiot, he can expect that, having conceded on nukes, iran will be bullied into conceding on something else, and something else, and something else, until finally, there comes some sticking point, something that cannot be conceded -- at which point, the US will attack.

    so he's in a serious bind, and he's playing a dangerous game, trying to find some other approach than conciliation -- which has been shown to be futile in dealing with the Evil Ones in charge of America -- that will somehow stave off the assault. i'm guessing that what he mostly wants is simply to stall until November 2008, after which he hopes he will find himself in negotiations with a US government not run by kill-crazy greedheads.

    none of which makes him a particularly admirable person. but if he seems at times to be crazy or irrational or talking out of both sides of his mouth, well, yeah. what would you sound like, in his place? i'd probably be talking like Reverend Jim.

    I am further of the opinion that the President must be impeached and removed from office!

    by UntimelyRippd on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 06:49:46 AM PDT

  •  For cute and cuddly, I prefer Qadaffi, but (2+ / 0-)

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    what a great post.

  •  Sadly overflattering (2+ / 0-)

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    You will note he badly overestimates Bush:

    You are familiar with history. Aside from the Middle Ages, in what other point in history has scientific and technical progress been a crime? Can the possibility of scientific achievements being utilized for military purposes be reason enough to oppose science and technology altogether? If such a supposition is true, then all scientific disciplines, including physics, chemistry, mathematics, medicine, engineering, etc, must be opposed

    One of Bush's problems is that he is not familiar with history, even the recent history of Afghanistan, or he would have known that marching into Kabul was not a victory and then proceeded to march into Baghdad and pronounce "Mission Accomplished"

    Actually in the Iranian political settlement the President does not have the powers of even a Prime Minister in a parliamentary democracy. The Revolutionary Guard are under the control of the Supreme (religious) Leader.

    Does Magna Carta mean nothing to you? Did she die in vain?

    by Lib Dem FoP on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 07:21:35 AM PDT

  •  One word, (2+ / 0-)

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    EWWWWWWWW

  •  Bush elected him (bear with me and read my post) (2+ / 0-)

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    Prior to Kermit, I mean Ahmadinejad, the president of iran was much more moderate and pro western (heck a rock would be).

    Iran contacted Bushco and asked for a face to face talk.  Conceding to many of our demands and willing to talk about the others.  bushco refused, basicaly said f off.

    The Iranian people reacted in fear.  Fear that bushco had their future sights set on invading Iran for their oil.  They voted en mass for a hard line neo-con esque Ahmadinejad to stand up to and protect them from bush.

    America tends to create its own enemies or at least make their non friends into enemies and or worse enemies.

  •  Gag me (12+ / 0-)

    With all due respect I think that you're wrong. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a horrible person whose administration has engaged in significant human rights violations, to include killing gays, imprisoning American scholars, and suppressing women's rights. That you have a "crush" on him is very irrational.

    I have to gag. Your post is an embarrassment to this community. Look for your post to end up on Fox News or on some other right-wing media outlet to show that "Democrats support Mahmoud Ahmadinejad".

    For once the pro-Hugo Chavez apologists have been updated by an Iran apologist. At least they can take solace that they aren't the ones embarrassing this site today.

    •  So I should be very careful in expressing my (1+ / 0-)

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      views, because Fox or Rush might be able to twist it into something it was not meant to be.

      Look for your post to end up on Fox News or on some other right-wing media outlet to show that "Democrats support Mahmoud Ahmadinejad".

      If I express my views in a toned down mode, said villains will just have to twist it a bit more tortuously.  The only way I can avoid having my ideas and views twisted, is just to shutup and go quietly.

      Of course in Rush's case, he could just make up something that was said here on Kos out of whole cloth.  

    •  What is more embarrassing is (4+ / 0-)

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      the lack of outrage shown in the comments. What's next, the diarist's fascination with Hitler's goofy moustache?

  •  A crush on Ahmadinejad? (4+ / 0-)

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    Two words:

    Shoulder fur.  (He looks like the kind who's especially well endowed in that department.)

    Feel better now?

  •  Ahmadinejihad (0+ / 0-)

    has no concern for the poor, except in talk.  He is smart enough to realize that it is something he can use as an attack on the US.  Again just because Mahmoud is anti-W doesn't mean that he shares any of our values.  Quite the contrary, he and W probably agree on 90%.  Perhaps they should form a coalition.

    I would like to crush this anti-Semitic bigot.

    John McCain's Something for Everyone Plan: Military draft for youth, SS benefit cuts for elderly, Middle Class destruction, stock market plunge for wealthy.

    by IhateBush on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 08:49:27 AM PDT

  •  so you don't like that (8+ / 0-)

    he stones gays, kills and tortures democracy advocates, practices ethnic cleansing against the bahai, intimidates and oppresses women, denies freedom of religion and freedom of speech.

    BUT

    he hates america, so that kinda makes up for it?

    wow.

  •  Although I disagree.... (1+ / 0-)

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    Ahmadinijead is a brilliant orator and as an historian I am continually impressed with his charisma in front of the camera. And I do in fact believe his wish to place a wreath at Ground Zero was authentic.

    But the dude is out of his tree. His extremist views are far too violent and prejudiced. I wish him no harm on his trip, but I hope he does not make fools of us because he is surely able to do that with his intelligent banter.

    Leading the crusade to get Kossacks who think they sound smart to use another word besides vitriol.

    by Ocean Stater on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 09:44:52 AM PDT

  •  Tip jar? (nt) (0+ / 0-)

    Osama has killed his thousands, and Bush his tens of thousands.

    by Sura 109 on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 12:56:47 PM PDT

  •  Greetings, lizardoids. (1+ / 0-)

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    Quoth the 'round the bend batshit crazy goose-stepping Busholaters at LGF (wingnut site warning, as if "'round the bend batshit crazy goose-stepping Busholaters" weren't warning enough):

    At the new mainstream voice of the Democratic Party [if only!--109], Jewish lesbian "sallykohn" explains: Daily Kos: Why I Have A Little Crush on Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    No, it’s not a joke. And no, this is not an unusual sentiment at Daily Kos.

    My dear lizardoids, this diary uses what the adults call a "literary device."  It is clear to sane people like me that "sallykohn" does not literally have a crush on Ahmadinejad.  "Ahmadinnerjacket," as you lot call him, is indeed a bad bad man; her point is that george w. bush is a lot worse.

    Oh, and I'm sure you goose-stepping Busholaters have lots and lots of love for Jewish lesbians.

    Osama has killed his thousands, and Bush his tens of thousands.

    by Sura 109 on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 01:04:41 PM PDT

    •  Oh, and Chuckles: (0+ / 0-)

      You quoted much of this diary on your front page.  You ought to know better than that!  You're exposing your goose-stepping lizardoid minions to the truth about george w. bush!

      You're supposed to link to the troll diaries!  The TROLL DIARIES, dammit!

      "Killgore Trout," where are you?

      Osama has killed his thousands, and Bush his tens of thousands.

      by Sura 109 on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 01:20:46 PM PDT

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      •  Greetings back atcha! (0+ / 0-)

        Don't you think it's a little strange to call the readers of a site half-devoted to the defense of Isreal and its' citizens "Nazis"? I don't think the application of that term is done correctly in this case. LGF is primarily concerned with Islamic terrorism, perhaps you didn't know that.

        And I think you'd find alot more contempt for Bush over at LGF than you'd think (but you won't check, so maybe take my word for it?), along with plenty of love for Jewish lesbians(duh) and anyone else. Who you won't find love for is a bunch of weak-kneed politician types in this country, and people in other countries who host parades with slogans like "Death to America." Reason has no political persuasion, which is both affirmed an refuted daily on these pages.

        How long until this gets TR'ed, because it's an LGF "plant"?

        Socrates was a soldier. Get over it.

        by Lance Rasmussen on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 02:16:48 PM PDT

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        •  Heh. (2+ / 0-)

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          Perhaps a while, perhaps not, my good sir. I'll hold off for a bit, if only to make one small point: on Daily Kos - or, in your parlance, The Daily Kos - you'll occasionally find a batshit-crazy diary, like this one. That's just the way of the world. In response, of course, there's usually a flood, greater or lesser depending on the level of offense rendered, of derogatory comments, of the kind your ilk never get around to noting.

          On LGF, by contrast, the batshit-crazy part is on the front page and cheered by adoring throngs like Mussolini on his balcony.

          I consider LGF an asset to the Progressive Movement. Even if we tried, we couldn't conjure up something more likely to put off average folks. Hint: it's the pitch and intensity that does the trick. I encourage y'all to kick it up a notch.

          Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.

          by MBNYC on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 04:45:25 PM PDT

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          •  What's the "batshit crazy" stuff you mention? (0+ / 0-)

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            I think we must have differing standards. I think the posts, in and of themselves, aren't crazy in any way. You've got a bunch of Islamic nuts blowing each other up - LGF copies and pastes right out of Reuters and the AP. If you think just the act of posting such things is in itself crazy, I have to disagree with you. LGF doesn't like Islamic terrorism. Daily Kos doesn't either - but LGF isn't afraid to call a spade a spade. They take a moral stance and stick to it, which is more than I feel the political left in this country or anywhere does on a daily basis. Just one guy's opinion.

            Socrates was a soldier. Get over it.

            by Lance Rasmussen on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 06:45:33 AM PDT

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  •  Who is SallyKohn? (2+ / 0-)

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    Geekesque, MBNYC

    no comments, no recs, a few off beat diaries that she never adds to.........
    causes me to wonder, but I have been wrong before......

    I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.

    by exMnLiberal on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 01:06:55 PM PDT

  •  Sick and shallow n/t (1+ / 0-)

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    MBNYC
    •  The IRI rapes women before they are executed.... (3+ / 0-)

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      leftynyc, MBNYC, AJsMom

      http://leb.net/...

      Also remember that public executions in Iran are on the rise, including public executions in Tehran.

      http://www.digitaljournal.com/...

      As well as a crackdown on "bad Islamic dress" in Iran.
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/...

      This diary is moronic dribble, plain and simple.

      And by the way, the military dictator of Burma is Than Shwe.

      •  Yes, but don't let this get in the way..... (2+ / 0-)

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        Doodad, truthseekerseamus

        Of his anti American anti Israel vitriol........Because to some extreme leftists...this is all one needs to be, all other Draconian traits are forgiven.

        Talk about a lot of shit in a diary....Sallikohn....go to Iran and parade your Gay pride in front of Ahmadinejab or in any other Muslim part of the ME...then go choose the brick wall you will be flattened in while the rest cheer on...

        Some people in here are just so obsessed with Hating Bus....it's like some infantile sickness .....Bush Deranged Syndrome is about it.

        The big print giveth and the small print taketh away

        by spinaltap on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 04:44:56 PM PDT

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  •  No wonder they call us moonbats (4+ / 0-)

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    ...among any number of many other reasons.

    This kind of extremist tripe really lends credence to the whole "San Francisco Looney" stereotype of all liberals everywhere. "Hi! I'm a jewish lesbian with a drug habit and I just looove Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad... he's sooo dreamy!"

    The whole purpose of Daily Kos, as has been pounded into our heads by Kos himself, is to get Democrats elected.

    Do you seriously think crapola like this diary is going to win the hearts and minds of American voters? You truly believe that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad speaks truth to power? That's what you find so sexy that you might just go straight?

    I am just completely dumbfounded by some of the people around here. I really am.

    "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."

    by Tomzilla on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 04:03:55 PM PDT

  •  Get real (4+ / 0-)

    Gay boys executed in public
     title=
    "Adulterous" woman preparing to be stoned to death
     title=
    Man whipped 80 times for drinking alcohol
     title=

    We have long made clear that a state of war is not a blank check for the President when it comes to the rights of our citizens. - U.S. Supreme Court, 2004

    by RyneSandberg on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 05:34:55 PM PDT

  •  Ya know, when I find myself (3+ / 0-)

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    Caj, The Strategist, Doodad

    thinking that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, I usually grab a six pack and sit my self down for a good, long think.

    America: Show your support for it with more than jingoistic slogans or leave it.

    by CJB on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 06:00:35 PM PDT

  •  Her love affair with evil.... (2+ / 0-)

    ....is so typical of what gets posted around here.  "Sure he would kill me, like he kills other homosexuals, dissidents, intellectuals, etc., but he hates Bush and that turns me on!" is the sum of it.

    Anyone that hates Bush, America, and Israel is okay around here no matter how evil they are. DinnerJacket plays your blind hatred like a fiddle, telling you what you want to hear, and you lap it up like a dog because it just fits your emotional needs. Maybe you could put yourself in the place of some of these folks, and then continue your sexual fantasy?

    http://direland.typepad.com/...
    http://www.iranfocus.com/...

    I could link a million examples, but they would only excite you even more then you are now I imagine.

    I think that only as sallykohn is being lifted up by her neck under a crane in the center square of sexy Kermits wonderful country ,would she then come to see the light. Try closing your eyes, and actually feeling some empathy for the victims of the Mullahs, tribal thugs, and Islamofacists Sharia terrorists for a change. I feel sorry for my Iranian friends and coworkers who have relatives back home, who have to live under the conditions they do. The young people over there want a more westernized secular country with the same freedoms we have, and want to get out from under the jackboots of a-holes like this, but all people can do here is gleefully support him because it fits the popular anti-american fashion of the day.

  •  Sallykohn is one sick person (5+ / 0-)

    This has to be the most ridiculous diary that I've ever read on DK. And anyone who applauded this sick person's rant should be ashamed.

    •  Sallykohn Embarrassing DKos (0+ / 0-)

      I think the people on here commending that brutal murderer  Ahmadinejad are insane.  They are letting their common hatred of Bush be a tying factor.  Sallykohn, you're as idiotic as an antismoking advocate who praises Hitler for being anti-smoking.

      Strength and wisdom are not conflicting values--they go hand in hand. - Bill Clinton

      by skidrow on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 07:31:31 PM PDT

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  •  Congratulations! (1+ / 0-)

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    One of the finest examples of what Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and every other right wing commentator tells their entire audiences is the mindset of the Daily Kos! (or as they prefer to think of it, the Daily Kook!)  

    Ick. ick, Ick, and ughh.  I think someone is proving that evolution works -
    BACKWARDS!  Please excuse the noises, someone is going to go get a banana now.  Hope the new tail doesn't get in the way...Would anyone like something while we're out - like maybe opposable thumbs?  A connection between sides of the brain?

    How embarrassing.....

    P.S. - O'Reilly has a direct link to this post, so all our right wing friends are really yucking it up tonight...

       

  •  this diary is on LGF (0+ / 0-)

    and its being linked to other blogs under the title 'the typical diary on dailykos"  which makes me think there is something quite suspicious about this diary. and its author <shrug>

    The CONSTITUTION is MY Flag pin

    by KnotIookin on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 09:11:16 PM PDT

  •  Here's what I want to know (0+ / 0-)

    I want to know why there isn't a single donut in this diary.

    Last year, I had to enlist help from longtime users to keep my fellow Memphis Democrats from being troll-rated into oblivion because we didn't think Harold Ford Junior was a real Democrat. It turns out we were right on target.

    Now I find some truly sickening (I'm sorry, this diary disgusts me) rationalization of the words and actions of a filthy psycho pissant like Ahmadenijad, and that is okay around here?

    Anyone with the basic sense that God gave to a bag of doorknobs knows why this diary is ridiculous. I can only assume that this is not a planted diary, because the community's silence seems to indicate approval.

    I just don't even know what to say anymore.

    (-5.88, -6.46) Democracy is what happens between elections.

    by autoegocrat on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 04:12:10 AM PDT

  •  This is Beyond Parody (0+ / 0-)

    One of the reasons conservatives refuse to believe that the Left is committed to the defense of the United States is little paens to fascism like this post.

    I mean, this guy presides over a regime that sends young gay men to the gallows, for Christ's sake, and the best you can fucking do is put up a jpeg of Kermit the Frog to give the impression that this Nazi is all warm and cuddly?

    I know, he bashes Bush and so do you. That makes him visionary, right?

    Two words: Jesus wept.

  •  Look, people... (0+ / 0-)

    My point was never to defend Ahmadinejad nor cannonize him.  My point, my only point (trying to use humor as a hook --- sheesh!) was that we should be thinking for ourselves and not simply buying whole hog the Bush Administration's smear campaign against Ahmadinejad --- the same smear campaign it has waged against others when it wants to silence their critique.  We have, for instance, completely bought into the build up of fear around Iran --- a fear that feeds the Right wing agenda to keep the public docile, now that Iraq can no longer serve as the threat --- and that maybe we shouldn't be so passive.  

    It was a piece of political satire with a point.  I appreciate those who read it as such.

    check out the MOVEMENT VISION LAB today!

    by sallykohn on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 05:46:32 AM PDT

  •  Congrats! You made it Down Under (0+ / 0-)

    This diary was quoted by Crikey!, which is a daily political digest, kind of like the Hotline.

    Thought you'd like to know...here's what they excerpted in their "Blogwatch":

    Why I have a little crush on Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. I know I'm a Jewish lesbian and he'd probably have me killed. But still, the guy speaks some blunt truths about the Bush Administration that make me swoon... Okay, I admit it. Part of it is that he just looks cuddly. Possibly cuddly enough to turn me straight. I think he kind of looks like Kermit the Frog. Sort of. With smaller eyes. But that’s not all... --  Daily Kos

    FYI they quote from DailyKos all the time.

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