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Day three of the New Hampshire Democratic Recount, called for and paid for the the Dennis Kucinich campaign, has some interesting anomalies.  We have our first 100 vote change in a ward for a candidate.  We also have the running totals for the candidates!

Official recount tallies via NH's SOS office.

The first 100 vote difference is for Barack Obama in Wilton:

          Original Vote    Recount
Obama        386             286

This is a 26% change.  It's also the only major change in Wilton.

I'm sure there'll be some explanation via the NH media.  Here's the link to the
Manchester Union Leader.

The other interesting anomalies are in Nashua 5:

          Original Vote   Recount
Clinton      1,030           959
Edwards       405            377

Obama's difference in Nashua 5 was 5 votes.

The Weare votes for the original vote are listed, but the recount votes are not.  As such, the differences in the totals have been thrown off, but they are listed.  The running recount totals for the big three are:

Clinton - 33,120
Obama - 27,358
Edwards - 12,957

So, after three days, it seems the recount is going well, with only a few glaring anomalies and several minor changes.  There appears to be no widespread major vote irregularities, but many changes of a few votes here and there.

If you wish to help Dennis's campaign to pay for the recount, you can go to his campaign site, http://dennis4president.com, or you can donate via ActBlue's Recount Donation page.

As always, now more than ever,

Go Dennis!
http://dennis4president.com
Vote your conscience, choose peace!

Originally posted to rjones2818 on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:00 AM PST.

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Nashua Ward 5, Wilton?

43%30 votes
21%15 votes
17%12 votes
7%5 votes
10%7 votes

| 69 votes | Vote | Results

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  •  Tip Jar! (26+ / 0-)

    It looks like NH ran a fairly good election, but it's good to know where the problems are, particularly since 5 votes here and 3 votes there tend to add up!

    The Kucinich Plan (Simplified): 1) Be a Democrat, lead like one, vote like one, think like one and live like one. http://dennis4president.com

    by rjones2818 on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:02:14 AM PST

  •  Wonder if this diary will have any visitors... (9+ / 0-)

    ...from the folks who were fairly certain two Wednesdays ago that Clinton stole that election.

    •  Yes! (1+ / 0-)
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      Owllwoman

      It looks like that didn't happen (remembering that it's still only day three), which is probably the best thing.

      The Kucinich Plan (Simplified): 1) Be a Democrat, lead like one, vote like one, think like one and live like one. http://dennis4president.com

      by rjones2818 on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:10:17 AM PST

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      •  This is very important. (2+ / 0-)
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        rjones2818, gdwtch52

        I also read that there is no chain of command as far as some of the boxes.  Some were also found split.  What I don't get is the votes going down.  Was there no count of number of actual voters?

        Disparities being found during hand-counts of ballots, in many wards, many candidates. Diebold op-scan memory cards unaccounted for at the moment, Secretary of State (SoS) doesn't track them after elections, doesn't track error reports during elections. LHS Associates (see below) handles all of it instead, according to reports on the ground. Public records request reveals hundreds of ballots in one area scanned as blank due to incorrect ink used on ballots, and other problems on LHS problem report forms.
        http://bradblog.com/

        And before you say that's no big deal, we'll remind you that in 2004, had just 6 votes per precinct been registered in Ohio for John Kerry instead of George W. Bush, we'd have a different person sitting in the White House right now.

        We can't allow this kind of shoddy accounting to continue.  We don't want to be dealing with this stuff in November.

        Hillary Clinton is turning out to be the Tanya Harding of Politics - Nisleib - Daily Kos Member

        by MadAsHellMaddie on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 06:32:26 AM PST

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    •  They won't admit it... (2+ / 0-)
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      Larry Bailey, rjones2818

      Or will accuse Clinton of being a racist.
      Or a Republican.
      Or something.

      That sound you hear out there is reality knocking on the door. It has been standing out in the cold for a long time and it is not happy with us. - Jim Kunstler

      by Superskepticalman on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:33:13 AM PST

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    •  I'm kind of one of those people (3+ / 0-)
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      ikrisarus, rjones2818, gdwtch52

      but I never went as far as saying she stole it.  I just found the results hard to believe, but now I can put the blame where it belongs, on the polling.. that was a major fuck up.  

      What really bothers me the most in all of this though is that small precincts where a few thousand voters need electronic scanning machines to count ballots.  Why?   Are election volunteers incompetent?

      Still don't trust the electronic machines and the NH recount doesn't change that position.  A few votes here, a few voters there and remind me of how many votes did Gore lost by in 2000?

      If voting could make a difference, it would be outlawed.

      by soros on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 05:44:12 AM PST

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      •  537 , but Gore didn't have paper ballots (1+ / 0-)
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        rjones2818

        and he had Katherine Harris.

        The point is that in close elections recounts are needed. And the the way to do that is with paper ballots that can be recounted by hand (see WA recount).

        If you have that mechanism, and a good SoS, OS will work.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 06:07:01 AM PST

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        •  Recount is a loaded term already (1+ / 0-)
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          ikrisarus

          Either there is a second pass of the ballots through a scanner, for a 'recount', or there is a 'hand count' which assures that a human looks at the ballot. I think it will behoove us all to be more precise, since 'recount' is stigmatzed, and implies that all the ballots were actually counted. The machine tally is very useful, but it shouldn't be the final count in any case, and getting a hand count shouldn't be costly and embarassing, it should be required routine.

          •  recount is not stigmatized (1+ / 0-)
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            rjones2818

            that's as ridiculous as putting 'quotes' around 'elections' and 'counts'.

            Let's invent our own private language, shall we? Dog whistle code for something?

            But there is a benefit, because those that do so get to be easily identified as overly 'paranoid'. ;-P

            "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

            by Greg Dworkin on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 06:43:25 AM PST

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            •  Not stigmatized? Hello? (0+ / 0-)

              Calling the first hand count a recount is imprecise and prejudicial. "Recount" reeks of calling for a do-over and being a sore loser or paranoid. Using correct terms to help your cause is just intelligent. I don't see why it would upset anyone who wasn't just a trust-the-machine know-nothing .

              •  like I said (0+ / 0-)

                dog whistle code.

                "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                by Greg Dworkin on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 08:17:46 AM PST

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                •  not really (0+ / 0-)

                  The dog-whistle code is like Bush using phrases from key dominionist biblical verses to send a message to a loyal subset of his audience which the others don't perceive. Calling the first tally of ballots the hand count instead of a recount is a more substantial effort at reframing the entire issue of digital voting and the meaning of a paper ballot. The point is not to send secret handshakes to the loyal, but to influence everyone.

                  •  Influence everyone? Why? (0+ / 0-)

                    In the NH primary, Clinton unexpectedly won. A recount showed that the initial impression was correct, and minor anomalies of little consequence were found that do not affect final results. if anything, the machines were more accurate than hand-counts, but not by a significant factor.

                    Similar results were seen in NH in 2004 when a Nader-requested recount occurred.

                    NH's election policy and procedure are solid. Paper ballots made the recount possible. Because, however, all elections are imprecise animals, vigilance and attention to detail are imperative (hence the call for audits and paper ballots, especially pertinent in states not named New Hampshire).

                    There's nothing to reframe. What are you trying to influence everyone to do?

                    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                    by Greg Dworkin on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 01:14:52 PM PST

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                    •  Influence everyone to understand (0+ / 0-)

                      that digital-only results are not to be trusted, and that paper ballots are necessary for any hope of election integrity. I did not mean to dis NH, which seems to have 100% verifiable voting, or take any side in any of the primary flame wars.

                      •  sure, digital votes do need to be verified (0+ / 0-)

                        but doesn't this NH recount and the 2004 NH recount suggest that 'trust but verify (optical scanners only)' is reasonable? After all, paper ballot hand counts need verification as well.

                        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                        by Greg Dworkin on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 05:36:04 AM PST

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  •  it is interesting (2+ / 0-)
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    oxon, rjones2818

    I don't think it is some vast pro-clinton plot though.

    Of note, it seems that the Ron Paul camp feels the vote was rigged to. But they are complaining about 32 votes. The clerk who recorded the vote in one town place RP's votes in the wrong column when she turned in the first unofficial tally. She noted it and corrected it the next day. But an article in the Manchester Union tells how she gets daily threats from RP supporters for it.

    Of course the RP guys feel it was all planed by Romney. (who craftily set it up to come in second to deflect blame and make everyone hate McCain.)

    Stupid question hour starts now and ends in five minutes.

    by DrillSgtK on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:10:20 AM PST

    •  Makes you want to run out and write a check (1+ / 0-)
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      rjones2818

      for that fine, upstanding guy, Ron Paul.

      Supporters threatening a an election judge?  That's about as bad as it gets without actually stealing an election.  Of course, the Republicans have a lot of experience with that sort of thing.

  •  Thanks rjones (3+ / 0-)
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    ikrisarus, Cassiodorus, rjones2818

    for keeping us updated. Its interesting to me.  I want to see where it comes out. And if these anomolies are present in a Primary, Imagine what happens in a General election.

    "Though the Mills of the Gods grind slowly,Yet they grind exceeding small."

    by Owllwoman on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:11:27 AM PST

  •  Did the Wilton precinct voters (1+ / 0-)
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    rjones2818

    use paper ballots or voting machines?  It wouldn't seem like a voting machine would be off exactly 100 votes.

    "Man's life's a vapor Full of woe. He cuts a caper, Down he goes. Down de down de down he goes.

    by JFinNe on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:15:09 AM PST

    •  Not sure. (0+ / 0-)

      That's why the link to the Union Leader.  There'll probably be an explanation there.

      The Kucinich Plan (Simplified): 1) Be a Democrat, lead like one, vote like one, think like one and live like one. http://dennis4president.com

      by rjones2818 on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:18:32 AM PST

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      •  New Hampshire used paper ballots for all votes (2+ / 0-)
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        JFinNe, rjones2818

        it was the counting scanners in some areas that was used by Kucinich campaign as the ostensible (cough, cough) reason for requesting the recount

        •  And good that he did! (6+ / 0-)

          If if turns out that the scanners did a good job, and it looks like they have so far, we might be able to say that scanners with paper trails are the way to go!

          The Kucinich Plan (Simplified): 1) Be a Democrat, lead like one, vote like one, think like one and live like one. http://dennis4president.com

          by rjones2818 on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:30:35 AM PST

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          •  LOL (2+ / 0-)
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            jiml, Dean Barker

            Say that in the headline to the diary!

            The Scanners Did A Good Job! And So Did NH!

            Small anomalies happen in every election and usually don't amount to much. Errors found will be corrected and procedure adjusted. Ho-hum. Boring, but necessary.

            There never was a 'there' there because NH is not OH and FL. NH runs fair elections. The 2004 NH recount amounted to nothing, as well.

            At the same time, other states should consider doing what NH does... use paper ballots. And everyone should institute random audits. That's fine if other states want to push for NH-style elections, but it's not just the scanners and paper ballots and never was. Ohio had voter suppression, and FL had voter purging.The focus needs to be on the SoS at least as much as the machines (NH has a good one, but OH had Ken Blackwell - what a difference).

            Dennis had every right to ask for a recount, but headlines at other sites about 'glaring' or 'disturbing' anomalies or 'slit' boxes were designed to jack up interest and hype the recount.

            People who are serious about recounts think that the one-issue "election integrity" sites look like fools now. People who were screaming about this with dire headlines should take a good look in the mirror for next time. Their credibility, never very high, just took a huge hit.

            It's safe to say the American voter paid little attention to the recount... and they will think they were right to ignore it. Instead of an opportunity to advance the cause of election integrity with the general public, we'll have more "I told you so" from those that want to downplay the issue.  They will point to NH and say "remember?". That is a terrible outcome for which the over-the-top self-styled 'experts' (you know them, they're the ones who put the NH 'count' in quotes and found every 2 vote anomaly 'disturbing') have to take full responsibility (but they never will - it's always someone else's fault).

            "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

            by Greg Dworkin on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 05:26:32 AM PST

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            •  Actually, (2+ / 0-)
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              DemFromCT, ikrisarus

              if the numbers aren't 100% clean, then it's a good thing to know.  Pro-rate the differences once the recounts over in comparison to the size of FL, OH or CA (or any other state).  If an election's close, then it's good to know that there are problems.

              The Kucinich Plan (Simplified): 1) Be a Democrat, lead like one, vote like one, think like one and live like one. http://dennis4president.com

              by rjones2818 on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 05:29:19 AM PST

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              •  you didn't need to do this recount (1+ / 0-)
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                rjones2818

                to know that. Be honest about that.

                No knock on Dennis implied. I have always supported his right to do this, and he doesn't have to justify it, even now.

                You are right that whatever lessons learned should be learned, but the ones I commented about are some of the most important ones.

                "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                by Greg Dworkin on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 05:57:32 AM PST

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            •  Thank you n/t (1+ / 0-)
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              rjones2818
    •  Here is my Wilton ballot. (1+ / 0-)
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      rjones2818

      This just got personal.

      Photobucket

      Now I want to know how my vote is counted.

      No Timeline. No Funding. No Excuses. Edwards '08!

      by Stymnus on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 05:25:57 AM PST

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  •  Given that we split the votes in our (5+ / 0-)

    primaries, or most of them, I can't see these disparities making a difference in the delegate count, but I do like to see random checks run on the system as a deterrent.  It's just such a shame that we need one.

    Thanks for your efforts in this.

    •  Thanks! (3+ / 0-)
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      rimstalker, ikrisarus, oxon

      I hope they count every single vote, if only to see how close the actual counts are.  We know that fewer than 600 votes can change a national election.

      The Kucinich Plan (Simplified): 1) Be a Democrat, lead like one, vote like one, think like one and live like one. http://dennis4president.com

      by rjones2818 on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:19:56 AM PST

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  •  Whoa. (2+ / 0-)
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    Now, does anyone happen to know how votes are counted in Wilton?

    I ask because...well, that's where I live, where I am right now.  100 votes is a big deal, that's a significant percentage of the population here.  We're a town of only a couple thousand, and not all of those vote (My daughter, for instance)

    I thought my votes were hand-counted.  Maybe they are.

    No Timeline. No Funding. No Excuses. Edwards '08!

    by Stymnus on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 05:23:36 AM PST

    •  It'll probably be explained as a transcription (0+ / 0-)

      error.

      How're folks in NH taking the recounts?

      The Kucinich Plan (Simplified): 1) Be a Democrat, lead like one, vote like one, think like one and live like one. http://dennis4president.com

      by rjones2818 on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 05:25:33 AM PST

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