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Ah, yes.  January...the season where snowflakes fall, the temperature drops...and politicians like Mike Huckabee start in the spin cycle after being outed for their dominionist connections and statements.

Not two weeks ago, Huckabee publically announced he wanted to change the Constitution to change the US to the Republic of Gilead de jure.

Now that links to some of his scarier connections (like to "Watchmen On The Walls" linked folks who want to strip all non-dominionist Americans of their US citizenship and have us interred as "illegals", or to neopente dominionist cult leader Bill Gothard who actually operates facilities for literal paramilitary "God Warriors") are out...well, it seems Huck is doing quite a bit of backpedaling, especially after he literally compared America with Nazi Germany not two nights previously.

Lather, Rinse, Repeat

What follows may well be the shortest post I've ever done here (which I know some of you will be grateful for :D)--under the theory that a picture says a thousand words, and a stream of pictures at 30 pictures per second (which is NTSC standard) is probably more effective still.

Anyways, it would appear that in the Big Debate on 24 January, someone called ol' Huck on his call to essentially restart dominionist Con-Con campaigns, and Huck did quite a bit of backpedaling about six minutes into the video below:

For those who don't wish to sit through that--and I can't blame you entirely--the transcript of the relevant portion is available:

Williams: Governor Huckabee, a Bush administration official said that your use of faith in your campaign gave him a "queasy feeling."

Your response to that.

Huckabee: I would say that would be his problem, not mine. My faith does not give me a queasy feeling. It gives me a solid core from which I'm able to live every day.

I don't wake up every day and have to look at a poll to decide what I believe. My faith grounds me, it gives me a sense of direction and purpose.

I don't try to impose it on other people. And I certainly would never use the auspices of government to try to push my faith.

But for me to run from it, impossible. It's who I am. And so if it gives some people a queasy feeling, then they'll have to deal with it.

The fact is, this country has always been a country where people were able to respect people who had faith. And frankly, we ought to be able to respect people who don't have any.

I mean, I don't feel like a person has to share my faith to share my love of this country. But if a person hates me or dislikes me because of my faith, I'm not sure if they understand what it means to truly be an American, where we can live with each other no matter how different our faith is, but at least we have that understanding that historically faith has been an important part of who this country is.

Most Americans believe in God. As I've often said, if you want a president that doesn't, you'll have to pick somebody else.

Unfortunately for Huck...this effort at "whitewashing" his links to dominionists and the fact he is increasingly seen as the Great White Hope of the neopente-dominionist wing are rather doomed to failure.

Even during the spin cycle, the dirt keeps coming out of the laundry

Despite this particular load of spin...Huck has a lot more dirty laundry that is going to be a lot harder to whitewash.

First among these are that Huckabee literally called for the opposite to happen--that he actually wanted to change the very foundational document of the country to get "the Constitution more in line with God's Law" because he felt it was important to turn the US into a less-kind, not-as-gentle version of Nehemiah Scudder's America.

If that were all, it'd be bad enough.  But there's lots more in that pile, trust me.  We have dirt here that would make Mike Rowe (of TV's "Dirty Jobs") cower in terror.

Among the dirtier bits include Huckabee's links to Bill Gothard (including being a faithful Gothardite himself) and his network of Assemblies pastors backing him in Washington state (of which at least one, Joseph Fuiten, is linked with the "Watchmen At The Walls" hategroup--yes, the same folks who preach a neopentecostal-dominionist version of Holocaust revisionism as an excuse to execute progroms against LGBT people and even murder them).

That's bad enough.  There's still some stinky articles in here, though.

One of the bits of news that our own Troutfishing is starting to touch on is the fact that Mike Huckabee's policy advisor is a Christian Reconstructionist--and apparently of the really radical sort of Christian Reconstructionist at that, the sort that would be happy bringing the joys of Taliban-era Afghanistan to the States--destruction of "pagan" monuments (bye-bye, Statue of Liberty; it was nice knowing you), public stonings, women being consigned to being "Breeders for Christ", bringing back that old institution of $800 slaves (based on conversion from the rates per shekel noted in the Bible and converted to modern troy silver prices), the whole lot.

Oh, and on that stuff with Fuiten (you know, the Assemblies regional head who wants to deport non-dominionists as "illegals" and who literally announced at a "Watchmen At The Walls" two-minute hate that he was at war with secular America)...well, it seems Huckabee might be a bit more than a mere sympathiser, and the not-terribly-legal practice of neopentecostal megachurches being essentially de facto Huckabee headquarters may be rather a bit more spread than Washington state.

Fredrick Carlson reports on how a fairly major political engine mostly concentrated in neopente dominionist churches--the "Patriot Pastor" network, based originally out of World Harvest Church in Columbus, OH (an Assemblies-daughter which has been very closely linked to some of the voting irregularities in Ohio in 2004 and with Ken Blackwell's failed gubernatorial bid in 2006) but with branches now pretty much nationwide--is essentially stumping in every state that these cells exist in for Huckabee.  (Of note, one state they are particularly active in is Texas--the location of the largest "Patriot Pastor" network outside of Ohio.  The size of the network per capita is probably similar to that in Iowa, which Huckabee did manage to win.  This is one reason I've kept saying "Watch Texas".)

And it seems that Huckabee's latest foot-in-mouth incident (and dropping of a very dirty sock therein) seems to have occured at one of these "Restoration Meetings"--specifically the meeting of the Florida Renewal Project (the state "Patriot Pastor" group) which featured such lowlights as David Barton (of "Wallbuilders", a particularly infamous dominionist group which promotes what amounts to "dominionist American historical revisionism"), AFA heads, "neopente dominionist-Zionist" John Hagee, and more.

In the veritable powwow of neopente dominionist and neopente-dominionist-friendly leaders in Florida, Hagee literally managed to invoke Godwin's Law and--I am not making this up--literally accused all of non-dominionist America of being card-carrying Nazis and "soft dominionists" not pushing for the Republic of Gilead of being "good Germans":

In a speech to the Florida Renewal Project Monday night, which in an unprecedented move was live streamed on the American Family Association's Web site, Huckabee compared America to Nazi Germany. He first implored the audience to renew their "commitment to Christ" and "to our nation, to its heritage, as well as to its future," adding "do we expect the seculars [sic] to do it? Do we expect the unbelievers to lead us, and if so, how will they lead us and where?" He then engaged in an extended description of his visit to the Israeli Holocaust Memorial Yad Vashem with his 11- year-old daughter, who asked, "why didn't somebody do something?" Huckabee, who has called abortion a "holocaust," then issued a dire warning:

... I pray that no father ever stands over the shoulder of his own daughter and after her witnessing the decline and the fall of a great nation, writes, and sees her write these words, "why didn't somebody do something?" You see, I believe the reason we're here is because we are the somebodies. And we're to do the something and if we don't, who will? And if we don't act now, when will it happen, and will it be too late? You leave this conference with this haunting question, and pray that no one would ever ask of you or of me, why didn't somebody do something.

You read that right. Huckabee thinks if the "seculars" are allowed to rule America, our country could suffer the same fate as Nazi Germany. A resounding insult all around from this "Christian leader."

Well, I guess that would explain why he plays so well with Fuiten (who promotes Holocaust revisionism and wants to deport all us "secularists" after we're stripped of citizenship), certainly. :P

Your job: Don't let them whitewash this.  Keep it in the news.  Don't let them try to stealth.  Keep the lights on.

Originally posted to dogemperor on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 04:42 PM PST.

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  •  Tip jar (36+ / 0-)

    As always, I am always willing to accept tips regarding Huckabee and dominionist ties.  Post 'em here, or if you don't feel comfy sharing in public, I always keep the tipline open at dogemperor (dot) dkos (at) gmail (dot) com.

    Also, it's a dirty job, but we gotta keep showing where the dirt is. :3

    •  too late to tip (1+ / 0-)
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      and rec. Lucky I could still hotlist. This is so very disturbing, yet I fear the MSM will keep turning a blind eye. For what? On the grounds it's "anti Christian bigotry" (the CR movement,et al, won't take this lying down. They will spin till they're dizzy), or "paranoid". Or the MSM will treat this like they treat fringe candidates for president, as in, "Oh, isn't he cute when he rages about dominionists and neopentes?  But he's a crackpot so we can just ignore him. Move along now America, nothing to see here."

      Is that a rhetorical question?

      by Pan Zareta on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 01:32:08 PM PST

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  •  thanks for your continued attention to this (11+ / 0-)

    I heard that clip last night from Huckabee and, while it sounded good, it is hard to believe him. It was nice to hear him even suggest that "we ought to be able to respect people who don't have any (faith)." But believe him?


    Turn the Mountain West blue! Support Gary Trauner for Wyoming's only House seat!

    by kainah on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 04:51:55 PM PST

  •  He can't have it both ways. (6+ / 0-)

    To say something one day and then something different the next leaves me to believe the guy is playing for votes. But that leaves me wondering what he really believes?

    "Though the Mills of the Gods grind slowly,Yet they grind exceeding small."

    by Owllwoman on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 04:55:49 PM PST

    •  Personally, I think he's stealthing (12+ / 0-)

      When light is being made in the public, he's stealthing--like on the MSNBC debate.

      To the True Believers--of which he is very likely one of them--he's actually giving what, IMHO, he actually believes.

      Such is not uncommon in neopente dominionist circles, unfortunately.  (In fact, they've rather made a black art of it for the past fifty years or so.)

    •  Obviously... (9+ / 0-)

      ...Huck has a tenuous belief in the Commandment about lying...

      Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight.

      by JeffW on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 05:18:41 PM PST

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      •  apparently he doesn't think much (11+ / 0-)

        of the one about theft, either.

        Huckabee also has a televangelist's knack for getting caught with his fingers in various cookie jars. In his first year as governor, Huck used a $60,000 tax­payer fund for personal expenses like dog food, pantyhose and meals at Taco Bell. (One of his sons — also a very heavy man, as his ­father was — reportedly joked that "there's not a Huckabee alive that can eat at Taco Bell for seven dollars.") The governor also tried to keep $70,000 in furnishings for the governor's mansion supplied by a local cotton grower, and used inaugural funds to pay for clothes for his wife. "Mike is first and foremost about Mike," says Brantley. "He'll nickel-and-dime whoever he can to line his pockets."

        Huckabee has also been accused of paying himself as a consultant to his own senatorial campaign, allowing special interests to pay for airline tickets for his daughter, receiving a canoe from a Coke bottler and — hilariously, if you're wont to laugh at the sheer small-town gauche greediness of it all — setting up a "wedding registry" at Target and Dillard's department stores so citizens could lavish the Huckabees with gifts as they renewed their marriage vows. The long list of desired goodies included twenty-four settings of Lenox "Holiday Nouveau" china, a KitchenAid mixer and a "Jack La Lanne power juicer." If you didn't want to pick out something yourself, the Huckabees were glad to take straight cash. "Message from the couple," the registry noted. "Target GiftCards are welcome."

        •  I guess that... (2+ / 0-)
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          snakelass, dogemperor

          ...Its OK If You're A Dominionist!

          Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight.

          by JeffW on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 02:09:04 AM PST

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          •  You aren't that far from the truth. (5+ / 0-)
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            snakelass, eastmt, JeffW, limpidglass, Eirene

            In the very neopente dominionist circles that Huckabee hangs out in (and may well be a member of, despite being an SBC preacher), there is a concept known as "stealth evangelism"--and at least part of the concept rather explicitly teaches that it is perfectly acceptable to lie for the purpose of conversion of another because one is in "hostile territory".

            (This tends to be a very common thing across coercive religious groups and in fact is in general considered a dead giveaway of a coercive religious group in and of itself; for example, the Moonies have a remarkably similar concept known as "Heavenly Deception", Scientology has similar doctrines, etc.)

            In addition, the "Joel's Army"/"Joshua Generation" groups in particular--and, for that matter, even some of the "fundamentalist independent Baptist" groups where Christian Reconstructionism proper has been long powerful--also have a concept to the effect that not only is it permissible but actually required to "claim the spoils" of an area "named and claimed for Christ"--even if those belongings belong to other people.  (In the "Joel's Army" groups--which do tend to believe in variants of "name it and claim it" or "Prosperity Gospel"--it gets even more disturbing; they literally believe everyone is descended from either God or Satan ultimately, and believe seizing money, territory, etc. is in fact part of their general "Spiritual Warfare" meme.  In their mind, if they take something from you if you don't convert, they're literally taking back what should be theirs from the devil and his own.)

            So yes, pretty much they believe the actual "human morality" sections of the Ten Commandments as a whole effectively apply only to relationships between dominionists; people who aren't members of the Elect can (in their view) legitimately be lied to, stolen from, and even assaulted and murdered in cold blood (and disturbingly, the trend seems to be going more and more to the last one--look at "Watchmen At The Walls" or the Army of God domestic terror group for an example).

            •  "Stealth evangelism"... (2+ / 0-)
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              Got me to thinking about something way back from my days as a bible-thumper.

              I belonged to a non-denominational "Christian" commune based in Eureka, California, in the early 1970's.  We ate, drank, and slept the Bible.  Bible study daily, Wednesday evening church service every week, two services on Sundays.  We were to be "in the world, but not of the world."  We were encouraged to engage in "holy boldness."

              "Holy boldness" meant being non-self-conscious about preaching the gospel, i.e. evangelizing and proselytizing whenever we got a chance.  "Saving souls" was our entire purpose in life.  And if that meant stretching the truth a little as we went about it, well, that was acceptable as long as we won converts.  In fact, it was acceptable to stretch the truth as much as we wanted or felt we needed to in order to successfully proselytize.  We could lie our butts off about what we really thought (and about how we really behaved) concerning things like personal wealth, or consumerism, or environmentalism, or any thing "of the world" just so long as we were attempting to get others to "accept Christ as your personal Savior".  After a while I became quite sick of it and quit the group lock, stock and barrel.  Lying for Jesus just seemed plain wrong.

              Finally I realized the worst lie being told was the one I was telling myself.  I was telling myself to go on "believing", in blind faith, to an idea that was patently absurd and empty of reason.  It was at that point that my escape from the insanity began, and now more than thirty years later I'm sure glad I made it.  Today I call myself atheist with no shame whatever; but I certainly don't go around trying to "convert" others to atheism.  Instead, I just focus on being truthful about the world as it really is.

              This atheist definitely does not spend time worrying about whether I'm going to make it into heaven.  I'm convinced no such place exists.  Takes the worry right out of it.

  •  Thanks (4+ / 0-)

    for sloshin' through the sewers for us.  Now take of those hip waders and have a beer.

    Good reporting.

    Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society -Mark Twain

    by gooners on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 05:52:03 PM PST

  •  What dark cave did these neo-troglodytes... (4+ / 0-)

    ...crawl out from?

    This is terrorism, nothing short.

    Why is the FBI not investigating these KKK types?

    Thank you dogemperor for the nth time.; an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action -1.75 -7.23

    by Shockwave on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 06:32:09 PM PST

  •  Great diary... (5+ / 0-)

    But I like your long ones, too! :D

    Sure, he comes across quiet and avuncular. Until he gets mad ... then he sounds like God on a bad day. ~ Dallasdoc on Senator Patrick Leahy

    by KiaRioGrl79 on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 07:26:03 PM PST

  •  At least this election cycle (1+ / 0-)
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    Huckabee's toast.

    Thank "God."

    'But they'll burn ya out' The unsteady eyes dropped to the ground. "I know. They done it before"

    by SecondComing on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:27:56 PM PST

  •  Reposting (1+ / 0-)
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    Troutfishing had a diary up on Thursday, but I was late, as usual, getting to it and didn't see it until yesterday. The subject matter struck me though as I had watched something just the night before that pertained to it. I don't think anyone saw the link I put up to what I had watched, so I'm reposting it here.

    Last night I watched the David Brancaccio program Now! on PBS. It was concerning the subject of the RR in the GOP - but they were asserting that evans are getting really sick of politicizing from the pulpit, and are going in a whole other direction.

    This link leads to the overview page, and your only option is watching the video (sorry, no transcrpt). If you can get streaming it's very much worth a look (although I strongly disagree with the opening statement that it was evangelicals who "brought GWB his Ohio win" - that was Ken Blackwell's manipulative hand, nothing else).

    Meddle not in the affairs of dragons... for thou art crunchy and good with ketchup.

    by Pariah Dog on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 03:18:26 AM PST

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