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I am an African American.  I am a woman.  I am a 20-year-old college student.  I am a Democrat.  What am I supposed to do when half of my demographic is on the Obama band-wagon with Oprah as the wing-man and the other half is riding the Hillary train with Bill honking the horn?  I have an Obama sticker on my desk and a Hillary pin on my purse.  I’m from Florida so I couldn’t even make the decision with a vote that would count.  How do I decide?

Here is Whoopi Goldberg on the View supporting Hillary.  While her reasoning may not be the best in the world, the fact is she’s black woman who is supporting Clinton.  What do I make of it?

In the following clip, 6 women of color speak with conservative CNN contributor Amy Holmes (at a hair salon) about their preference between Hillary and Barack. (1:33 mark)

One woman says that the two are basically "the same candidate."  Hmm, Not sure if that’s true.  Another says that Hillary doesn’t speak enough about women.  Again, hmm.  If that’s criteria well then Barack doesn’t speak enough about blacks or race at all.  Okay so one of the older women says "This is America." Take it [race] off the table. Let’s just be people."

So if we take race off the table and the two candidates are the same, then why do these 6 women like Barack better than Hillary?  They say he’s a fresh start and a sign of change.  He’s a sign of change because he has eloquently told us that he is.

Holmes asks "Is there anything Hillary can do to win your votes?" Silence.  Point made.  Race isn’t off the table.  But I understand the need for a black woman to justify wanting the black candidate to win.  She doesn’t want to be accused of simply liking Barack for the color of his skin.

More of my friends support Barack over Hillary.  I’m torn.  I like Hillary and the way I see her leading the country.   Barack is something different and yes, okay, exciting!  But Republicans got excited about their homeboy Bush back in 2000.  Shouldn’t we let our minds vote on the presidency not our emotions?  Right now, my head says Hillary and my heart says Barack.  And my hour spent watching clips about the two on You Tube hasn’t made my decision any easier.

Originally posted to Aninquiry on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:16 PM PST.

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  •  Barack brings communities together (3+ / 0-)
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    Black, White, Latino, Men, Women, Old, Young.... Independents and Republicans too...

    To Govern, one must have a massive coalition, a workingmajority

    Barack is the only candidate capable of this massive landslide

  •  Follow your heart (4+ / 0-)

    I'm not just saying that because i support Obama...I firmly believe it as a rule. Especially at your age (I'm only 3 years older), we're too young to vote with our heads rather than our hearts. This is the time in our lives when we're allowed to be idealistic.

    "There's not a liberal America and a conservative America; THERE'S THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA." OBAMA '08

    by democrattotheend on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:19:10 PM PST

  •  Follow your truth, as Oprah says.. (4+ / 0-)
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    murrayewv, Tanya, vernonbc, phrogge prince

    I'd go with gut over head, because I trust my inner compass.

    •  Bad idea. That got us George Bush. (5+ / 0-)

      Follow your head and do a gut check along the way.

      Your head will lead you straight to Obama, if you actually follow it, and your gut will resoundingly approve as well.

      •  people are easily manipulated.... (3+ / 0-)
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        and if your heart is fooled you will vote for a loser like Bush.  My head can give me plenty of reasons to vote for with Hillary or Obama over any republican.  The snarky black woman interviewing these women is subtly influencing the whole conversation to be anti-Hillary and pro-Republican in her talking points, and no one calls her on it.  She is shocked yes shocked when people think a conservative is a bad choice.  

        On the bus, my daughter heard a black middle-aged woman supporting Hillary over Obama to one of her friends.  She said she was married to a black man and he couldn't get anything done.  Could have been a joke and of course she could easily change her vote.  

        On the same bus route some days later, my daughter  saw a black woman bully pull the headscarf off a Moslem woman, telling her she was in America now.  When the weeping woman fled the harassment on the bus, into the freezing cold to wait 20 minutes for the next 21 bus, the black teens on the bus chided the woman for her actions- collectively everyone was embarrassed by this act of prejudice and racism and how it escalated into a hate crime before their eyes.  This same black woman had been harassing everyone on the bus, the black teens for being trendy, my daughter for being white and riding the bus.  There are some real bullies of all races and all genders.  And it is hard to stand up to them.  Everyone on that bus was diminished by the anti-moslem hatred promoted by Bush and McCain and others saying they are anti-terrorist and pro Christian.

        Women and Blacks aren't monolithically going to vote Hillary OR Obama.  And if they trust their heads and hearts, they won't despair, but will show up and vote period in the general election.  And there are some people whose vote we just don't want- like the bigoted bully on the bus, hassling the moslem woman and stepping over the line to religious abuse.  Stop trying to demonize people for their voting preference in a primary and reject those who would turn on the winner and support a Republican because their candidate wasn't the winner.

        You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

        by murrayewv on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 01:23:40 AM PST

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  •  I'm 65 years old and retired. My life (3+ / 0-)
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    experience says follow your heart.  To thine own self be true.

  •  People say Obama can't get the Hispanic vote (5+ / 0-)

    well, they're wrong when it comes to me and my family. We're third generation Hispanic Texans and we support Obama because we believe he can bring about new change in this country, and expand the progressive agenda for the long-term.

    What's madness but nobility of the soul at odds with circumstance?

    by slinkerwink on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:25:09 PM PST

  •  Sound weird but make a list. (2+ / 0-)
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    A personal one, only seen by you and brainstorm.  Write down everything you think, feel and know about each candidate.  Put it up, read it a week later.  What do you think?

    I think you know what you want to do, you just need inner permission to do it.

    ~Blue: the pale kind (often referred to as ice) with a touch of seafoam~

    by CWalter on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:27:11 PM PST

  •  So glad you didn't turn the title around (3+ / 0-)
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    hairspray, murrayewv, JamieG from Md

    "Head for Obama..." would really sound wrong.
    (sorry!)

    A good diary. I'm also a woman who is a bit undecided between these candidates. I really like them both. I have conflicts on some issues with each of them, and I have a lot of respect for each of them.

    Thanks for this interesting diary.

    I remember a time when the American President was the leader of the free world. ****** Repeat after me: "Neoconservatism has failed America."

    by land of the free on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:31:34 PM PST

  •  Trust your heart (1+ / 0-)
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    For what it's worth, I was listening to Rush Limbaugh today to see what the right side was saying.  Rush said that "If Obama is the nominee, we are doomed!"

    They fear Obama and want Hillary to win the nomination because they believe she would be easier to beat in the general election.  There are too many negatives attached to the Clinton name.

    Besides, Obama is your future; Hillary is the past.  

    Democrats fall in love; Republicans fall in line.

    by LynChi on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:32:13 PM PST

    •  Talking point #47658 (2+ / 0-)
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      The RW doesn't fear Obama over Hillary, there is zero factual proof of that.

      They fear Hillary's toughness and experience in handling the crap they toss at her. They fear Obama's organizing some republicans to vote for him. They fear both, but they like to stir shite up between us Dems and that is why they play games about this stuff.

      Children in the U.S... detained [against] intl. & domestic standards." --Amnesty Internati

      by doinaheckuvanutjob on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:28:30 AM PST

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  •  You and everybody else (0+ / 0-)

    So many people feel that way.

  •  Don't let others tell you how you 'should' vote (5+ / 0-)

    I'm very saddened for you reading this post.  

    It sounds like you feel you should vote this way because of race, that way because of gender, another way becauase that's what the girls in the barber shop say and another way....oh, I've lost track!!

    Really, it's just like Maria Shriver said the other day you have to follow your own truth.

    1. First educate yourself well on the candidates. Not what bloggers and media says- read, get the facts, etc.
    1. Then put all the chatter aside and ask yourself who best matches your convictions, values, etc.

    THEN VOTE YOUR TRUTH, no one else's.

  •  As a fellow 20 year college student, it's about (6+ / 0-)

    who has shown good judgment.

    Barack got it right.

    Hillary got it wrong on Iraq, and continues to get it wrong (on Iran, on cluster bombing, on diplomacy).

  •  Your Head and Heart can be for Barack (3+ / 0-)
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    Now that McCain is the nominee, the smart choice is to actually support Barack Obama:

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

  •  Oh, and Barack does not equal Bush (1+ / 0-)
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    everyone knew bush was a moron.

  •  my head and heart say the same thing (1+ / 0-)
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    Which is for Obama.  I believe Clinton can be a fine president, honestly.  But I believe Obama can be a great one.  

    The best description of the distinction between them, in my view, was in the New Yorker a couple of weeks ago.  The emphasis was not so much on their differences in positions, which are relatively minor, but their differences in how they view the presidency: as primarily an office from which to institute policy in the current environment (the Clinton viewpoint) or as an office from which to provide leadership to rally the nation behind a vision for a common future, thus creating the momentum to effect real change (the Obama viewpoint).  The part that stuck with me was the idea that if the primaries are seen as a referendum on the numerous failings of the Bush administration, whether Clinton or Obama benefits depends on whether people think the Bush administration is primarily a failure of incompetence or of debasing the presidency.  (Both, of course)

    "I believe in vengeance" -- Harry Reid

    by fightcentristbias on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:35:56 PM PST

  •  Important Question (3+ / 0-)
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    I think we all understand your heart.

    Can you be more specific about why your head is telling you Hillary?

    Is there a major policy difference that matters to you?
    Do you believe she is truly more experienced?
    Do you think she has better judgment?
    Do you prefer the people who she has chosen as advisors to the ones who are working with him?
    Do you prefer her style and tone?
    Do you believe she is more likely to win in the general election?

    For me, the answers to all of these questions is clearly (though on some only slightly) Barack AND my heart is 100% with Barack, so the answer is easy.

    How do you answer the above questions for yourself?

    And please, don't rely on Whoopi to for analysis! Comedy? Sure...Thoughtful policy arguments? I don't think so.

  •  That head versus heart meme comes (4+ / 0-)

    from the Clinton camp.  My head and my heart are telling me the same thing - Obama.

  •  Head over heart (0+ / 0-)

    People should vote with their head and not their heart.  Because it just doesnt involve them but the whole country.

    Fully fund an 18 month withdrawal to be crafted by committee of military, foreign diplomacy experts and Sunni-Shiite reconciliation leaders, etc

    by timber on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:40:01 PM PST

  •  But why do these 6 women need to (2+ / 0-)
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    justify their support for Obama more than they have?

    If it were six white men there supporting Hillary because they believe her when she says she has 35 years of relevant experience "making change," would you think they need to justify their support of her better or risk being assumed to be voting for racial reasons?

    A woman on the phone in Colorado the other night told me the same thing (white woman, for reference).  My response was that I could see how torn she felt, but that personally I felt I didn't have to choose because for me Obama is the choice of my head and heart.  And then we spent about 10-15 minutes talking and it turned out that on every issue she brought up as important to her, Barack either has a much more solid plan than she realized or has ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED things or introduced legislation in areas of particular importance to her.

    It is only because Barack is so strong in his ability to inspire and reach our emotional core, I think, that people grasp at the mistaken heuristic that he must be the "heart" candidate and therefore Clinton must be the "head" candidate.

    The ability to spit facts out at a debate doesn't make you the candidate of the mind.  Show me where Hillary has shown consistently superior judgment on policy and in her voting record and accomplishments.    I don't see it.  AUMF:  I voted for it but I "thought" I was voting for more diplomacy (didn't read the bill?  didn't read the LEvin Amendment?  didn't read the intelligence?  what???)  Bankruptcy Bill:  Voted for it, but was glad it didn't pass.  (huh?)  On and on, there are many, many examples of this sort.  So why is she the "head candidate"?  Where is the evidence that her thinking is so clear or superior?  I just don't see it.

    •  Barack has never done a dahm thing for blacks (0+ / 0-)

      Coming from a former campaign volunteer for him in Chicago.

      So should black people feel entitled to vote for Barack.  His record in Chicago with black people is outrageous.  I love his pretty deals in helping those Cabrini Green and Robert Taylor Home Projects (which I lived) move into new homes, miles away from their jobs and family, while his buddy Resko sells the land underneath them for profits.

      Oh the area looks nice now.  No black people anywhere.  Obama came and spoke to us before this happened promised his "change" and that "we shall overcome" but he ended up selling his own people out.

      After he did this I quit him.  And many others that are not even in the same state do not support him, but others turn the other cheek.

      They say the white society made him do the things he did, and he was not state legislator, things would be different.  So we supported him to the Senate, when he still sold us out to Com ed, Herring Steel, and Exelon they again said maybe his programs are being blocked by the whites again.

      So they support him for presidency 9 to 1.  For nothing other than the color of his skin.

      Because his legislature has never worked for us, he never marched for us, never stood by us as our homes were torn down, never reached out to us, admit he was wrong.  

      But he can use our name, and the great Dr. King for his advantage.  

      •  Hello real person (3+ / 0-)
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        How have you enjoyed your two days on dkos?

        jaiapprovedthis - what I lack in classiness I make up for in being right.

        by Jaiwithani on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:59:42 PM PST

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        •  I do not like your attitude. (2+ / 0-)

          I finally registered her at dkos, after being a longtime reader and admirer of the people movement here, because of the hole this place has become for bickering and favoritism for one candidate no one really knows a dahm thing about.

          I am boiling mad because I visit this site everyday, now I am left scurrying around trying to find another blog with as much net roots support but with a more equal tone, with less name calling, and ganging up for the majority picked candidate.

          One lead story, after lead story is for one candidate, and diaries begin to spew skewed information it drove me to register to fight back.

          I was here for Ned Lamont against Lieberman, and was for Jim Webb when Santorum made the ma ca ca comment.

          What I lose reality, and validity because I have not been registered for 9 years.  Cannot join your boys club, and have my voice be heard and matter.

          I breathed Chicago, I held hands with Obama, I smelled him, touched him, listened to him more than 95% of the people here.  I was his base, his campaigner, his neighbor, his people.

          You can deny my voice all your want, but I will speak, turn a deaf ear, but the truth cannot be stopped despite your shouting.

      •  You are a liar (1+ / 0-)
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        And you are disgusting

        I live in illinois and am familiar With Senator Obama's record.

        This is troll garbage that is simply not true

        Police interrogations?  ring a bell?  

        •  Ya they ring a bell (2+ / 0-)
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          If you like walking down State St. and being pulled in an alley and having a gun shoved in your back by Chicago cops because you fit "a description" from a robbery.

          Is that what you are commenting on?  That is reality for a lot of black people in Chicago, still is, why I moved and got way to New York.  Not any better but the politics clean up a bit more.

          If you know IL, do you know Chicago.

          Do you know Daly, license for bribe, the eminent domain seizure of poor black landowners homes, the tow truck scandals, the racial profiling, the rough removal of homeless people?

          But thank you for keeping it clean and not resulting to accusations.

          From a black brother who is not offended

    •  Well-said. There's a false dichotomy. (1+ / 0-)
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      DrJeremy

      It is only because Barack is so strong in his ability to inspire and reach our emotional core, I think, that people grasp at the mistaken heuristic that he must be the "heart" candidate and therefore Clinton must be the "head" candidate.

      Exactly.

      The Clinton campaign has been pushing this narrative because it's the only way to compete with such a superior candidate.  The MSM has helped them, not out of bias toward any particular candidate but out of bias toward any narrative that's easy to report and creates conflict and ratings.

      ------
      "We are the ones we've been waiting for." --Barack Obama
      "If Obama is the nominee, we are doomed." --Rush Limbaugh

      by Troutnut on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:26:03 PM PST

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  •  Saying Barack got it right is the dumbest comment (4+ / 0-)
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    The dumbest comment ever on this board.

    He has flipped from calling those that voted on the Iraq resolution as "patriots" and then saying other times that if he had an actual vote he would not know which way to vote.

    Just because he sat up in some fund raiser in heavily democratic Chicago and said, you know I don't like the Iraq vote (at one time,) doesn't mean he has good foresight, or will be right from day one.

    Because his opinion had no weight to it, there was no levity to it, he was not voting on the resolution like Edwards, Hillary and other Presidential Hopefuls that voted for the resolution because they don't want GOP slime calling them un-patriotic.

    So wow, big deal, he didn't have a vote so why did his opinion matter, especially when it changed through the years.

    He didn't have the pressure of voting yay or nay, of looking at the opinion polls at the time heavily in favor of going to war in Iraq.

    If he was so against the war how come he has done nothing to get us out of it.  He has not been a vocal leader like Murtha, hell Hillary has spoken up more in session and spoke out about the war more than Obama has.  

    He just keeps towing the company line.

    And I am offended with all the "Follow your truth, as Oprah says" shit.  

    Just because she is black she is supposed to identify and connect with what Oprah says.  Oprah needs to look at the poor, her sisters and brothers on drugs and in gangs right on her production studio block before she can act all righteous like she speaks for all black people.

    I hate this pandering.  When emotion overrides reason you lose your values, you lose the ability to critique, to criticize because you are in love with an ideology that might be completely false, like falling in love with the wrong person.

    This is not speed date, this is the president.  If substance cannot win over emotion then your just going down the same path that has failed this country before.

    And don't you dare through race at me, you don't know this brother.

    •  She blew it. Most important vote of her career. (1+ / 0-)
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      Tanya

      Obama, on the other hand, had this to say...

      And now thousands of people are dead or
      But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

      I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

      I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.

      So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.

    •  You are wrong on your facts, over and over (3+ / 0-)
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      again in this comment.  Absolutely full of false and misleading statements.

      He was running for Senate from a purple state when he delivered his strong speech against the Iraq war at a time when it was politically very risky to do so.  It was not at a fund-raiser either.  He put the text of the speech on his website, where it remained in full through the end of 2003.  Even when the speech text itself was taken off, the foreign policy section of his site top, front and center highlighted his early opposition to the war.  He has never wavered from this position.

      I have found numerous statement by Obama on the floor of the Senate criticizing the war.  I linked to them all for another poster a couple of weeks ago, but I am not going to bother to dig them out yet again.  Instead, I will ask you where is your evidence that "Hillary has spoken up more"?  I will bet my eye tooth you have none; you just thought no one would challenge you. And Obama introduced the Iraq War De-escalation Act of 2007 with timetable to remove combat troops.  Has Hillary introduced legislation with a specific proposal to get the troops out?  No, she was busy voting for Kyl-Lieberman and jumping to her feet to applaud the surge at the SOTU, wasn't she?  

      Obama recognizes that patriotic Americans supported the war.  He wants to be clear he is not condemning the people or giving a blanket condemnation of their motives.  He has also made it clear over and over that in his mind, the case for war was not made by the administration in 2002, which is why he spoke out against.  There is not one single statement of Obama's since then that contradicts that.

      You hate this pandering, you say?  Well, I hate this lying.  You insult the diarist by telling her that emotion has overriden her reason.  Well, pray tell, what has overriden your reason and caused you to lose your ability to think critically about what you write?

      •  Do you think he only spoke there? (2+ / 0-)
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        He also speaks at fund raisers in Chicago in the same time frame of which people get their first in print taste of "anti war when I like it" Obama.  Do you think he only talks in a vacuum that you can only see?

        You can google or go the library archives yourself and find the key words, Obama, Iraq, and find the disparaging remarks he makes on both sides of the aisle for and against it.

        People say he had foresight, but I hear nothing from him earlier than 2003 that the Iraq vote was wrong, after the fact of them voting on the Iraq resolution.

        So why does that opinion matter, there is nothing tied to his opinion.  He has the ability to see how the war is playing in the public mind and then make a public statement and get all the glory?

        Sounds more like a coy political maneuver then sound judgment.

        And unlike some I watch cspan, when I dont watch it live its being tivo'd.  I like my information from the source, that is why I used to like this site.  And I used to like the back and forth, until they turned into seething piles of attack your post above.

        The thing is you don't know me, or how I gather my information, you would think living in the midst of the ghetto in Chicago politics would do much to vet my opinion of the political scene.

        My main point is why does an opinion, with no weight behind it, matter as much as a vote, and why does an opinion not based on any importance matter in a debate.

        And never did I insult the diarist.  I said I was insulted by the Oprah comments, as is my will to be insulted.

        And then spoke about why reason to me is important.

        Call of the dogs, I am not stealing your religion.

    •  You are spreading the same smear that Bill tried (1+ / 0-)
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      He has flipped from calling those that voted on the Iraq resolution as "patriots" and then saying other times that if he had an actual vote he would not know which way to vote.

      You are lying just like Bill Clinton did.

      In a recent interview, he declined to criticize Senators Kerry and Edwards for voting to authorize the war, although he said he would not have done the same based on the information he had at the time.

      ''But, I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports,'' Mr. Obama said. ''What would I have done? I don't know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made.''

      http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpoi...

      There is no emotion in this one. Barack has demonstrated through over a decade in public service that his heart is in the right place and he is committed to helping out the people. Something that Hillary hasn't demonstrated in her own life.

      There is a false proposition that some have been lapping up, that Obama is somehow clueless. Please... He is even more on top of issues than Hillary. And for a change he has demonstrated true passion to make them into reality, instead of checking off political wins.

    •  You are lying again (1+ / 0-)
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      DrJeremy

      Again.. this is false

      Is hillary paying you?

      Stop lying

    •  Awful Hillary spin (1+ / 0-)
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      First, you've got a lot of nerve calling people dumb, when you can't even spell throw.

      First, Obama has been consistently against the war.  The claim that he "said he didn't know how he would vote" is false.  It's based on Bill Clinton pulling a comment out of context and chopping off the other half of it in order to change the meaning.  It's a lie.

      The claim that Obama's opposition tot he war didn't matter because he wasn't in the Senate is also false.  He was in the middle of a tough primary race for the Democratic nomination for U.S. Senate.  If anything, he had more at stake for his immediate political future than any sitting senator, and he chose against the war because it was the right thing to do.

      He hasn't "done nothing" to get us out of the war.  He has been instrumental to the Dem attempts to force a timetable for withdrawal, but they didn't have the numbers to get it done.  He has been as involved against the war as anyone.

      The argument that Obama supporters let emotion override reason is completely wrong.  There's a reason Obama completely kicks Hillary's ass among well-educated voters in every single state: he appeals on substance to everyone who realizes that true substance runs deeper than stump speeches.

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      "We are the ones we've been waiting for." --Barack Obama
      "If Obama is the nominee, we are doomed." --Rush Limbaugh

      by Troutnut on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:16:46 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  has it (3+ / 0-)
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        Has it come down to making fun of a grammar error now?

        Does that mistake make my opinion any less important than yours.

        Saying its the dumbest comment is my opinion.  It is not calling people dumb.  Smart people say stupid things all the time.  There are a lot of smart people that I respected, in regards to their writing, saying dumb things I don't agree with all the time.

        You have a couple of typos in your post.  Does this make us even?

        The year of adult conversations.

  •  They're both great candidates. (2+ / 0-)
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    Isn't it nice to not be able to make a bad choice for once?

  •  Here's how to decide (1+ / 0-)
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    DrJeremy

    Read either one of Obama's books.  Read The Audacity of Hope if you want to hear about politics and policy, or Dreams from My Father if you want biography, introspection, and generally better literature.  You can get the audiobooks on iTunes, if that's more convenient, and they're great because he's the narrator.

    Read either one of those and your head will be for Obama, too.

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    "We are the ones we've been waiting for." --Barack Obama
    "If Obama is the nominee, we are doomed." --Rush Limbaugh

    by Troutnut on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:55:16 PM PST

  •  Head for Obama.. (2+ / 0-)
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    ..heart for Obama.  No contradiction.

  •  Follow your head (5+ / 0-)

    Support the candidate who had the foresight to explain exactly what kind of disaster the Iraq War would become, the candidate who built a nationwide movement that rivals the Clinton machine in a single year, the candidate endorsed by the man who ended inflation, the candidate endorsed by intellectuals from Lawrence Lessig to Stevin Levitt, the candidate who understands the constitution because he's a friggin' constitutional professor, the candidate who successfully got ethics reform passed when even his own party opposed it, the candidate will not result in President McCain - Senator Barack Obama.

    Also, hell with identity politics. Don't vote for a chromosome or a pigmentation. Vote for a leader.

    jaiapprovedthis - what I lack in classiness I make up for in being right.

    by Jaiwithani on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:57:54 PM PST

  •  I think approximately 80 percent... (2+ / 0-)
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    MichDeb, doinaheckuvanutjob

    of the comments in this diary are giving Steven Colbert sharp pains in his kidneys and he has no idea why. I say choose gifts and careers and cities and sweaters with your heart, choose a President with your brain. Whichever way that takes you.

  •  i would go and talk to my parents (2+ / 0-)
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    and grandparents, aunts and uncles and ask them what it took for the kind of changes to take place that now allow you to be in a position to be undecided. I am in my 50's and a grandmother white/latina and I know it took a massive movement of people demanding those changes. then ask yourself who is building a movement that my children will benefit from. it's not about race or gender it's about creating the kind of political climate that forces the powers that be to do the theing that they don't necessarily want to do. If a white man were organizing and motivating the # of people that Obama is I would gladly support him.

    To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men~~ Abraham Lincoln

    by Tanya on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:02:28 PM PST

    •  They will point you to JFK... (0+ / 0-)

      history is repeating itself right now, its funny noone can see these correlations.. We are undergoing another major cultural, economic, and idealogical shift in America and the parallels b/t now and the late 60's are very close....

      Save the drama for Obama and lets paint the white house Barack!

      by WerdisLife on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:35:52 AM PST

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  •  An inquiry (0+ / 0-)

    You've never posted anything. Ever. Until this diary.

    jaiapprovedthis - what I lack in classiness I make up for in being right.

    by Jaiwithani on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:02:33 PM PST

  •  Just remember, it's your choice, (2+ / 0-)
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    MichDeb, YesWeKen

    What am I supposed to do when half of my demographic is on the Obama band-wagon with Oprah as the wing-man and the other half is riding the Hillary train with Bill honking the horn?

    Make up your own mind; pick the person who you think will be best for the country. Do it however you like, but here's my advice.

    Figure out what issues you think are the most important, and then find out where they stand on those issues, and what they've said about them. Maybe you'll run into a deal-breaker early on. Then see what issues they are passionate about, and why; this might give you some insight into their character or motivations.

    Look at what their supporters like about them, and why. See who's advising them on issues, and who's running their campaign. Listen to what their detractors say about them, and why. See which parts you agree with, and do some research now and then to verify these claims or work to get closer to the truth.

    Personally, my biggest issues have to do with military power and the Iraq war, and with civil liberties and the Constitution, so their stances on those issues were important to me in making my decision. My first picks have since dropped out of the race, so I've had to do this more than once. Good luck!

  •  Your Heart Should Rule (0+ / 0-)

    The difference between Obama and the GOP's gut rationality in supporting Bush is that your heart is in the right place.  

    If today you hear the voice of hope, harden not your heart.

  •  My experience (1+ / 0-)
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    anonquia

    in life (52 years and counting) is that the heart sees more than the head. With the head you can talk yourself into anything.
    But what is really important is that you vote for whom you think will be best for the country. Not as a woman and not as an African American. Just vote as an American.
    We have so many problems to solve -- the mess that Bush left us, global warming, a changing economy, you know what I am talking about. To meet these challenges we will have to ALL get involved and get busy.
    So ask yourself, who is the candidate that can best bring us to face our future positively and with vision?

  •  Beautiful (0+ / 0-)

    The postings on this thread touch my heart. Thank you for your words.  This is the clarity of the Obama supporters. I am proud to be one of you.

  •  Hillary is head + heart. (4+ / 0-)

    Obama doesn't have a monopoly on passion, vision, or inspiration.  Hillary's candidacy and story is as compelling as Barack's.  You should vote for the person you think would be the best President...the person who would do the best job as President.  I think on that score, Hillary tends to win, because people know she is dedicated, hard-working, focused and tenacious.

    Alternative rock with something to say: http://www.myspace.com/globalshakedown

    by khyber900 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:11:56 PM PST

  •  Go to other websites (1+ / 0-)
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    and the candidates' websites and get more information before making an informed decision that best fits you.

    Children in the U.S... detained [against] intl. & domestic standards." --Amnesty Internati

    by doinaheckuvanutjob on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:35:19 AM PST

  •  Head will give you war--Heart will give you peace (0+ / 0-)

    "The Conservatives definition of torture: Anything that provides death or false information from its captive." Me 2007

    by army193 on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 01:49:15 AM PST

  •  Head and heart (0+ / 0-)

    They usually go together for me.  The times when they don't, I trust my own logic over a gut feeling.  If following my gut feelings worked out, I'd have won the lottery by now. My logic, on the other hand, has not led me astray yet.

    Both heart and head are telling me to vote for Hillary. They weren't in tandem until a couple of months ago, though.

    Everyone has their own balance and system. Good luck to you in making your choice!

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