Skip to main content

February 15, 2003, remember? Cold as hell, crystal clear 9/11-type day, but the march was on. We met friends up at Central Park South and 59th (There's Jerry Springer!) and marched over towards First, where the demo was supposed to be. We couldn't believe how crowded it was, jammed on all cross town streets, Third Avenue jammed, Second  Avenue closed off, people streaming uptown, uptown, uptown, looking for a street where the cops would let us cross over to First, where the demo was supposed to be. We walked up to 80th Street, and finally over to First. First was jammed, down to 47th where the platform and the speakers were, and we could see up as far up as 86th, jammed.

We were with the nurses, and the CUNY teachers, all jammed in with scattered folks like us, all pissed off and afraid that these crazy bastards were going to go to war. Again.

There were hundreds of thousands of people, probably closer to a million. The Times initially reported "tens of thousands," later called it "more than 300,000." Fox News called us "the usual suspects." (more)

Bloomberg refused to let us march, afraid we would be counted. So we stood and froze, listened to vague people on loudspeakers for an hour or, and left, pissed off.

6-Train downtown, crowded as always on weekends. We had on Stop the WAR buttons. A young guy sitting on the train in front of us and playing to an audience of three other young beauties says "So why are you against the war?" The Rock starts to tell him, he cuts in and says, "So you don't believe he has weapons of mass destruction?"

I cut in: You believe this President? I say. Yeah, why not says the guy. So enlist, I say. I can't says the kid. Why not says The Rock. Because I'm in college says the kid.

We cracked up laughing, Enlist we all screamed at him. Have the courage of your principles!

Still laughing at him, we got off at 23rd.

Five years ago today. Damn.

Originally posted to andreww on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 07:13 AM PST.

EMAIL TO A FRIEND X
Your Email has been sent.
You must add at least one tag to this diary before publishing it.

Add keywords that describe this diary. Separate multiple keywords with commas.
Tagging tips - Search For Tags - Browse For Tags

?

More Tagging tips:

A tag is a way to search for this diary. If someone is searching for "Barack Obama," is this a diary they'd be trying to find?

Use a person's full name, without any title. Senator Obama may become President Obama, and Michelle Obama might run for office.

If your diary covers an election or elected official, use election tags, which are generally the state abbreviation followed by the office. CA-01 is the first district House seat. CA-Sen covers both senate races. NY-GOV covers the New York governor's race.

Tags do not compound: that is, "education reform" is a completely different tag from "education". A tag like "reform" alone is probably not meaningful.

Consider if one or more of these tags fits your diary: Civil Rights, Community, Congress, Culture, Economy, Education, Elections, Energy, Environment, Health Care, International, Labor, Law, Media, Meta, National Security, Science, Transportation, or White House. If your diary is specific to a state, consider adding the state (California, Texas, etc). Keep in mind, though, that there are many wonderful and important diaries that don't fit in any of these tags. Don't worry if yours doesn't.

You can add a private note to this diary when hotlisting it:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from your hotlist?
Are you sure you want to remove your recommendation? You can only recommend a diary once, so you will not be able to re-recommend it afterwards.
Rescue this diary, and add a note:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from Rescue?
Choose where to republish this diary. The diary will be added to the queue for that group. Publish it from the queue to make it appear.

You must be a member of a group to use this feature.

Add a quick update to your diary without changing the diary itself:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary?
(The diary will be removed from the site and returned to your drafts for further editing.)
(The diary will be removed.)
Are you sure you want to save these changes to the published diary?

Comment Preferences

  •  The courage of convictions would have been (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    andreww, neroden

    to march despite the Bloomberg ban, would it not?

    Hundreds of thousands did not march because a political hack said not to?

    What's wrong with that picture?

    But, laughing at the I can't enlist cause I'm in college kid musta been fun.  LOL

    Dana Curtis Kincaid Ad Astra per Aspera! http://www.angrytoyrobot.blogspot.com The enemy is not man, the enemy is stupidity.

    by angrytoyrobot on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 07:16:59 AM PST

    •  Do you live in New York? (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      andreww, nytcek, timmyk, John Poet

      I was there. Do me a favor and don't disparage those of us who froze our asses off and had to decide, "Can I afford to go to jail and have a criminal record by trying to climb these gates and defy these cops with their billy clubs and riot gear"?
      Yeah, I chose not not to get beaten up or arrested. Forgive me.

      Proud subscriber to the Mariachi Mama Candidate Bickering Moratorium! Be the change you want to see in the world.

      by empathy on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 07:36:48 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  The cages, I forgot about the cages. (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        timmyk

        Another reason I was pissed off.

        How long is it going to be before we recognize our City again?

        Do you have a child? Will you send her to the war?... anon

        by andreww on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 07:40:08 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  Nah, I live in Flyover Country. (0+ / 0-)

        Down home In-di-ana.

        Dana Curtis Kincaid Ad Astra per Aspera! http://www.angrytoyrobot.blogspot.com The enemy is not man, the enemy is stupidity.

        by angrytoyrobot on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 09:35:21 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  your comment really pushed a button (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          andreww

          I am kind of emotionally raw today.
          We were told we could not march, but we could have a rally.  Well they planned for about 10,000 people and set up the pens but because several hundred thousand showed up we ended up walking but not marching all the way up town on the west side and then shuffled across town to the avenue where the "rally" was. I didn't get anywhere near the rally, but people were playing the speeches for us by sticking their stereos out of their apartment windows so that we could listen in the streets to what was being said.
          It wasn't that no one showed up. The city just wouldn't give us a permit for a marching "route".  They were completely unprepared for what happened.
          And the cops were freaked because they had no plan for this and people were pissed because they wanted to get to "the rally" but it was already way past capacity.
          There was a huge possibility for problems.  A few kids did get pissed and act out, but mostly people were trying to keep things level headed.
          The masses of people went on for miles.

          Proud subscriber to the Mariachi Mama Candidate Bickering Moratorium! Be the change you want to see in the world.

          by empathy on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 11:27:22 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  by the way (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          angrytoyrobot

          I have roots in "flyover country"
          Wisconsin, Alabama, Montana, Minnesota
          My Mom and Dad live in Cropwell, Alabama so I'm not sure if I am some kind of stereotype to you or not.
          But as I said, I am feeling kind of prickly today.

          Proud subscriber to the Mariachi Mama Candidate Bickering Moratorium! Be the change you want to see in the world.

          by empathy on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 11:31:15 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  The next time Bloomberg let us march (7+ / 0-)

    he arrested 1,600 people, remember?

    Want me to go on about the horses, thousands and thousands of cops and the agent provocateurs?

    That's been done.

    Do you have a child? Will you send her to the war?... anon

    by andreww on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 07:21:11 AM PST

  •  Oh, Tips? (7+ / 0-)

    Do you have a child? Will you send her to the war?... anon

    by andreww on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 07:21:35 AM PST

  •  What a long, horrible five years it's been. (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    andreww, empathy, John Poet

    Out here in George Bush's America, these mass demonstrations in the cities were the only thing, the only thing, that gave us hope that not everyone in our country had gone insane.  The Democrats in Congress had abandoned all of us, and in the Red States our neighbors were spouting the same line as that kid on the subway.

    I don't know how we can ever thank you enough.

    Only an idiot fights a war on two fronts; only the heir to the throne of the kingdom of idiots would fight a war on twelve fronts. --Londo Mollari

    by Progressive Witness on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 07:43:00 AM PST

  •  The march that was not a march (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    andreww

    I came out of Penn Station and went to the steps of the Library. I was so sad that there were not a lot of people.  Then we were told to go over a couple of blocks to walk up town.
    I came around the corner and laughed the the "Non march".  So many folks were already at the rally site, that it was full.  All the cross streets were blocked. So we all had to walk WAAYY uptown before we could get over to the East Side.  The Avenue was packed as far as the eye could see.  we were filling the sidewalk on both sides and weaving our way between the cars that were crawling along.
    It was a mob scene.  A peaceful excited mob scene.
    It felt so good to be with so many liked minded people in the face of feeling so alone in the Flagwaving jingoistic days before the war.

    Proud subscriber to the Mariachi Mama Candidate Bickering Moratorium! Be the change you want to see in the world.

    by empathy on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 07:48:35 AM PST

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site