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With just over three weeks to go until the March 8 special election in Illinois' 14th District, and the polls showing a dead heat, the TV ads are flying on both sides, and each campaign is bringing in their party's big guns.

John McCain is coming to Illinois next week to host a fundraiser for Republican nut Jim Oberweis. Not to be outdone, Democratic frontrunner (and Illinois' native son) Barack Obama has filmed a commercial for Democratic candidate Bill Foster, one that is likely to go over well in this northern Illinois district, where Obama is rather popular.

Oberweis currently has an ad up attacking Bill Foster's position on Iraq. Mindful of the fact that many in his district are opposed to the war-and Oberweis' own position-he asserts, contrary to fact, that gradual troop withdrawal is already under way, apparently on the theory that distortion, coupled with a healthy helping of "Democrats hate our troops" is always a good policy.

We've already begun a gradual withdrawal? That's news to me...

Here's Foster's own Iraq ad, aimed at Oberweis' wish to keep troops in Iraq another 10 years:

Well, while Oberweis was just shocked and offended by this ad, I have to say it looks pretty decent to me, especially next to Oberweis' lies.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 04:24 PM PST.

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  •  If a Republican wasn't fudging the facts, (12+ / 0-)

    it wouldn't be election season, would it?

    "Some men see things as they are and say 'Why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'I need to quit drinking!'" - Greasy Grant

    by Greasy Grant on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 04:25:46 PM PST

  •  Cue MSM calling Oberweis out on his BS... (8+ / 0-)

    Oh wait, not gonna happen. Guess we'll have to do it ourselves!

  •  Word is Donna Edwards' victory has the House (10+ / 0-)

    members running scared vis-a-vis Iraq.


    I am a Gaybamaman. A gay man who is for Obama.

    by BoyBlue on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 04:27:37 PM PST

  •  A gradual withdrawal has long been underway (17+ / 0-)

    Soldiers have been leaving Iraq in bodybags for almost 5 years now.

  •  oberweis (7+ / 0-)

    has lost me as a customer a long time ago because wingnuts make even the best ice cream taste bad.

    Trop, c'est comme pas assez.

    by imisa on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 04:28:46 PM PST

  •  It would be great if Obama (5+ / 0-)
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    kainah, devtob, ER Doc, Aidos, velvet blasphemy

    could take a few hours off to make an in-person campaign appearance for our guy.
    Just a TV spot isn't enough against Oberweis's wealth

  •  They both need to take acting lessons (6+ / 0-)

    These guys are both so flat in the ads. Oberweis is particularly hilarious when he pretends to be watching the ad, then in disgust turns it off and turns to the camera and starts reading. How many people, when outraged, turn slowly to a camera and read placidly from a teleprompter? "You had better watch it, Foster! Upset me again and I may just read cue cards!'

  •  I'll just bet he was "shocked" by Foster's ad (4+ / 0-)
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    devtob, RevJoe, side pocket, ER Doc

    Foster's ad laid it out so anybody could understand what ten years more in Iraq is.  Loved Oberweiss' attempted Star Wars Newsroom relevancy.  Close ups of him sure aren't a good idea.  He looks porky. The throb of "I'll never turn my back on our troops" sure seems kind of dated.  Especially since he already did.

  •  Ober-Putz (4+ / 0-)
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    devtob, RevJoe, mcfly, JeffW

    Where do they find these maroons?

    Canada - where a pack of smokes is ten bucks and a heart transplant is free.

    by dpc on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 04:34:20 PM PST

  •  They'll blame Democrats for the failure of course (4+ / 0-)
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    Odysseus, kainah, devtob, JeffW

    "They forced us to pull the troops out - with guns to our heads!  Not even the deciderer in chief, who's said he has the constitutional power to make decisions himself that affect national security, could resist the power of their evil troop-hating power."

    We're pro-choice on everything! - Libertarian slogan

    by CA Libertarian on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 04:37:20 PM PST

  •  Umm gradual withdrawal of representation? (3+ / 0-)
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    Anthony Segredo, devtob, JeffW

    Oberwies sought and obtained  the endorsement of Congressman Hastert, who
    resigned his seat, in order to force a special election.

    Hastert is a Quitter, who failed  to serve his term, and put politics over service to his District.  IL-14 has had NO representation in Congress for many months. This has caused a devastating loss of jobs at the local national laboratory, Fermilab.

    The local repubs  are such screw-ups. I'm sure the ad has an error.   I'm sure Oberwies was referring to the  gradual withdrawal of representation for the People of IL-14, that the Republican party has provided

    I don't understand why we cannot just all get along.

    by Blue State 68 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 04:38:39 PM PST

  •  I thought Oberweis (2+ / 0-)
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    Odysseus, agnostic

    was one of those self-funding multi-millionaires the bankrupt NRCC is desperate to recruit.

    So why is he having a fund-raiser?

    This sounds like it's more a way for McCain to show his wingnut bona fides, and raise a bunch of money for himself, eventually, from Chicago-area fatcats.

    The Republicans want to cut YOUR Social Security benefits.

    by devtob on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 04:41:16 PM PST

  •  I guess the Gooper didn't Get Bob Gates Memo (0+ / 0-)

    Be careful what you shoot at, most things in here don't react well to bullets-Sean Connery .... Captain Marko Ramius -Hunt For Red October

    by JML9999 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 04:45:26 PM PST

  •  Is he sweeping stuff under the "rug"? n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    The Gryffin
  •  Nice graphics on the Foster ad. (0+ / 0-)

    A 'production', even.

    I just hope the candidate doesn't get lost in it.

    "If you want to go quickly, go alone.
    If you want to go far, go together.
    We have to go far, quickly."

    by shpilk on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 04:49:25 PM PST

  •  Would you buy ice cream from this man? n/t (0+ / 0-)

    Who made the law...

    by Aidos on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 04:50:27 PM PST

  •  Picking up the former Speaker's seat would (0+ / 0-)

    be clutch.

  •  Dairy King Oberweis, aka Milk Dud (3+ / 0-)
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    mcfly, agnostic, JeffW

    Northern Illinois University: Kate's and Matt's parents meet, 1976

    by chicago minx on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 05:05:12 PM PST

  •  If Oberwewis weren't so totally wrong (0+ / 0-)

    I'd curt him slack because Oberweis Dairies gave a lot of help to the chess community (I was part of that scene for many years). But he's so unqualified to be making decisions about our nation. Let's checkmate him in this election!

    My last sig was forced into retirement. The position is open.

    by MakeChessNotWar on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 05:05:42 PM PST

  •  I grew up... (1+ / 0-)
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    in IL-13 and went to school in IL-6 (actually the same school Hastert went to), and it's great to see this district so close to home ready to flip.  I'm thinking about going back to work on the campaign when it gets a little closer to November.  This could be a great pickup, from the Republican Speaker of the House to a Democrat in one fell swoop.

  •  Oberweis (3+ / 0-)
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    Joe Bob, redrelic17, JeffW

    was the subject of one of the great political insults I've ever heard, when the late Steve Neal of the Chicago Sun-Times referrred to him as the Milk Dud.  Let's hope the Milk Dud adds to his long losing streak this year.

  •  This is a powerful ad by Foster!!! (1+ / 0-)
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    I especially like how Foster's campaign ad compares and contrasts real issues that effect Americans now; then challenges us to focus on these priorities through a superb use of imagery. It also helps that he is indeed very genuine.  Imo, the DCCC should note just how powerful this ad is (as well as back Foster fully, of course ;)

  •  Withdrawal is NOT happening. (3+ / 0-)
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    RevJoe, JeffW, ggwoman55

    I can assure you that is not.  As I now speak, my son who is in the National Guard, has orders to report to Kuwait in June.  God only knows where he will be assigned from that designation that all troups go to before being assigned to Iraq or Afghanistan.

    Don't even ask me what I think of this administration and their roll of the dice with our country, and the lives of our servicemen.  In all liklyhood, I would get banned from this site were I to utter them.  

  •  Let's get Foster elected! (0+ / 0-)

    I donated to the Blue Plate Special to counter McCain's  big bucks for rich repugs

    Here is how you can find out why and how we all can help: buy a $5 blue plate and win!
    NYBri's diary about Foster's Blue Plate Special

  •  If... (1+ / 0-)
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    we are starting a gradual withdrawal, why will there be more forces in Iraq this summer than there were before the surge?

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States will probably have more troops in Iraq this summer than it did before pouring in forces last year -- even after a planned drawdown, a U.S. general said on Friday.

    Brian McGough

  •  We've gotta call 'em as we see 'em (1+ / 0-)
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    and call 'em what they really are: lies told by liars. They've been lying to us since way before 9/11, and they've been doin' double-duty ever since.

    'Bout time somebody up there on the Hill begins to call it what it is ... and call them what they are.

    "Fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again." --George W. Bush

    by RevJoe on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 05:27:01 PM PST

  •  If you've been following the news... (1+ / 0-)
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    we actually are bringing the troop numbers down.  But the blame for that reduction lies with an Administration that has so overstressed our forces that they have no other sustainable choice.  So why doesn't Oberweis take this up with his boss if he's so pissed about it.

    •  No we haven't. (0+ / 0-)

      Look at the news a little more closely. There will be more troops in Iraq this summer than there were before the surge!


      •  If you read carefully... (1+ / 0-)
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        they're talking about the support troops, not combat troops.  I think they're trying to give the GOP a boost.  Really, though, I don't think it amounts to a real difference.  The surge is dead, and most importantly, it's not coming back any time soon.  I think that qualifies as withdrawal.

        The real bullshit about what that Republican is talking about is the reason why the numbers are coming down.  Simply put, the only way to keep numbers higher than they were before the surge is to extend already extended tours of duty even longer, which would likely spell real retention problems for the Army, which would make the problem worse.

        The problem being that this Administration long ago failed to recruit and get into the system the soldiers required to maintain their current military endeavor.  They've been knowingly running the reserves dry, procrastinating on doing anything about it.  The Surge has merely brought the issue to an even greater crisis point, such that we lack the readiness to deal with emergencies elsewhere in the world, and will likely continue to lack them for the next five years.

        Yes, a withdrawal has begun.  But it's the result of GOP mismanagement, not Democratic Party Dissent.  That's the sickening irony of all this.

      •  And there will be fewer (0+ / 0-)

        ...than at the height of the surge; i.e., we have begun to draw down.  Unfortunately, it looks like that draw down will halt in July.

  •  Hastert endorsed Oberweiss in the primary (1+ / 0-)
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    Do I need to say anything more?

  •  It doesn't seem like those kids are aging... (0+ / 0-)

    as much as they are just turning into each other?

  •  This is the underground theme, it will grow (2+ / 0-)
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    Odysseus, delver rootnose

    louder until November.

    The gradual withdrawal will have to had begun now so that it doesn't look like a torrent when the length of service limits are reached in the next few months.

    And we're already on the "we told you so! The Surge  &#153 is working and that's we can come home by November..." train.

    Until about Mid September when it becomes as clear to the optimists that it has been to the pessimists that we're going to be there for 10 more years or Iraq will implode; at which point all blame will be shifted to the American people who caused the failure because they didn't support it, and the Democrats who caved into their cowardess and pulled out "Just as we were about to win decisively".

    We've seen this movie before, and it's Revenge of Viet Nam. Nixon took all the heat for a war Kennedy and Johnson started (Republican theory, not mine) and now it's time to smear the other way and over-write history.

    Oh, yeah, America lost VietNam, but it was the American people's fault, not Nixon's. And this time the Republicans started the RIGHT war and were about to win it, but those cowardly Democrats and the wimpy American public couldn't stomach what it took to win.

    Watch - - this is all about to unfold in glorious, corporate financed campaign glory, from now until November.

    And the best part of all? Even if the American people don't buy it and the Democrats win, we still inherit the same mess, and - - - like Nixon before us - - - Democrats will then take the blame for the failure, and in 2012, Democrats will become the new scapegoat for all that is wrong with the world.

    I want Obama to be our next president as much as I want my next birthday to arrive, but he is going to inherit such a three-legged mess of a failing economy, an intractable war, and the energy crisis we've lost eight years of effort to solve, he's going to be blamed for it all.

    Or Hillary...

    George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

    by snafubar on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 05:36:03 PM PST

  •  Nice beret, Uberwuss! n/t (0+ / 0-)

    Passenger on the long train of abuses.

    by OleHippieChick on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 05:42:00 PM PST

  •  Can we believe you, Brownsox? (1+ / 0-)
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    I'll have to check out this race more closely to see if this is a reality based assessment.

    Frankly recent events leave me doubtful; and Progressives in Kentucky sure don't think very highly of your insights or that idiot Chuck Schumer.

    If anyone is curious this is what I'm talking about.

    It's basically a textbook case of how screw progressives over by not doing your homework and meddling when you don't know the lay of the land.

    Nothing personal- Chuck Schumer has probably just set progressives Democrats back six years in the state.

    •  Pardon? (0+ / 0-)

      With regard to the author of that diary, I'm a bit confused by his apparent belief that I have some magical power or influence over Chuck Schumer which, if used properly, could have completely changed his decision making in the Kentucky race.

      Well, you can rest assured that I don't.

      If he really thinks that I personally could have saved Horne's candidacy, he's out of his damn mind.

      He can blame anyone he wants for the fact that his favorite candidate in the whole wide world isn't in the race anymore. Frankly, I don't really care.

      But if he really believes that Horne is out of the race due to some kind of inaction on the part of myself or Daily Kos...well, I can't understand why he'd think Horne would be able to beat Mitch McConnell, if I personally am such an obstacle to him (and I supported his candidacy).

      Joe Lieberman likes to be called an "Independent Democrat". I like being called a "sexual dynamo".

      by Arjun Jaikumar on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 09:45:42 PM PST

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  •  Oberweis is trying for the fourth time (1+ / 0-)
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    to buy himself into public office.  He's a serial lying sack of shit, who also conveniently starts featuring himself in commercials for his dairy every time he's about to run for office.
    Unfortunately, when Dennis Hastert left the House to protect sexual predators in the more lucrative private sector, he timed his departure to give the GOP the gift of not having the election for his replacement fall on the same day as the primary.  It would have saved the taxpayers money, of course, but what's saving the taxpayers some money compared to making sure that the vote isn't cast on a day that the Dems would be turning out in huge numbers to vote for Obama?
    Glad to hear that Obama has cut some ads for Foster.  Hope to start seeing them run soon!

    John McCain: He's pale, testy, and ready.

    by jazzmaniac on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 06:34:47 PM PST

  •  Does McCain agree with Oberweis' plan for Iraq (0+ / 0-)

    I thought gradual withdrawal without regard to facts on the group was not the McCain proposal.  Can't stay for 100 years if you're getting out now.  Hope someone asks him when he visits for the fundraiser.

  •  Oberweis is awful (1+ / 0-)
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    When he decided to run for statewide office a few years ago he ran an ad where he was in a helicopter over Soldier Field and said that there were so many undocumented immigrants in Illinois that they could fill up the stadium however many times and we should round them all up etc....what a pathetic piece of crap.  Unfortunately, he has a race here that he may actually win, since he is way to scary for the state as a whole.

    If Bill was still in charge, this wouldn't all be happening...

    by letsbepragmatic on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 07:56:40 PM PST

  •  Jim Oberweis (0+ / 0-)

    gets rich off of liberals who want to drink organic milk in glass bottles, and uses it to attack everything they stand for.

    The people who actually buy his milk deserve what they get if he wins.

    (Mea Culpa:  I have bought some of his ice cream, it was pretty tasty.)

    •  once and never again (0+ / 0-)

      I fastidiously avoid purchasing Oberweis products. I don't want to aid or arm fascists. Which is what one would conclude based on his wild crazy batshit positions on the war, immigration (almost patently racist) and host of social issues.

      --Country before party--

      by chipoliwog on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 09:38:13 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  I should make up some stickers to place on... (0+ / 0-)

        ..bottles of his milk that sell in grocery stores.

        Something like 'Are you willing to help fund right wing extreme candidates.  If not go to trader joes or whole foods'

        or some other organic store.

        We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

        by delver rootnose on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 10:05:05 PM PST

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  •  You should hear the radio... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...spots of Oberweis has on WBBM.  Total bullshit.  Saying Foster is radical left wing and will strand the troops in Iraq.  Utter bullshit.

    And the real funny thing is Foster is one of the most conservative Democrats in the primary.  I mean John Laesch is far more progressive than Foster.  Foster and Stein both claimed that Laesch was far to left for the district.  Well if you are going to be called far left wing anyway then maybe you should go left on policy instead of running to the middle.

    Just my $0.02    

    We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

    by delver rootnose on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 09:52:11 PM PST

  •  Gradual withdrawals don't work (0+ / 0-)

    I have an 18 year old son to prove it!

    ...Everything is permissable, but not all things are prudent ~ Apostle Paul

    by angeleyes on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 10:16:10 PM PST

  •  Unfortunately, Dems have made this talk viable.. (0+ / 0-)

    For years the Dem minority, and now sadly majority, have yet to find their moral and ethical footing on the issue of Iraq.

    For years the Dem leadership have accepted the premises of the Repub Iraq arguments. They have deferred to the generals who have kept their positions and earned their additional stars by siding with the Bush administration. They have been cowed to abject defensiveness at the merest hints of being "soft on terror", "against our troops" and any number of ludicrous, profoundly dishonest talking points tossed out by the neocon propelled right.

    They idiotically repeat "Al Qaeda in Iraq", despite the U.S. military's own estimate of <2% foreign fighters among the Sunni insurgency. They still talk of "winning" the "war", instead of stopping the looting or ending the gutting and privatisation of our military.</p>

    They have refused to acknowledge that the invasion was a war crime. They refuse to acknowledge that the current occupation, with its airstrikes and white phosphorous and dead-of-night round up of citizens and destruction of infrastructure and civil society and theft of that (perhaps late) country's primary resource is another series of crimes. They refuse to acknowledge that the pack of lies that brought this disaster on us are a collection of impeachable offenses. They reward the incompetence and criminality of this administration with exemption from Constitutional constraints and Congressional oversight.

    Once the Dems decided to avoid the solid moral foundation of true opposition to the Iraq invasion because of the political sound and fury (signifying nothing), they put themselves on the same tenuous, sifting slope of power, moral expediency and theft as Oberweis and all the Repubs.

    In our own IL-14th, one candidate  suggested that complete withdrawal from Iraq could occur within 3 months, that the option of nuclear attack on Iran should not be on the table, and that impeachment is not only acceptable, but legally and morally imperative. With his years of experience as an intelligence specialist on Iran and Iraq, this expertise should have warranted some serious consideration from his fellow Dems, particularly the scientist who values technical knowledge and objective facts in making a case. Instead, these fellow Democrats in a public forum
    called his positions "impractical", "a waste of time, "unrealistic" and "EXTREME!"

    So here we are. Before Oberweis made this most recent, bogus claim (which may be technically true in an irrelevant sense), the Democrats have already given it political legitimacy with their enabling, false patriotism and moral cowardice. Unfortunately, I see no end in sight to this collective failure of leadership.

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