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McCain’s Wisconsin Victory Speech Remarks
"I will fight every moment of every day in this campaign to make sure Americans are not deceived by an eloquent but empty call for change that promises no more than a holiday from history and a return to the false promises and failed policies of a tired philosophy that trusts in government more than people. Our purpose is to keep this blessed country free, safe, prosperous and proud. And the changes we offer to the institutions and policies of government will reflect and rely upon the strength, industry, aspirations and decency of the people we serve."

And when he said proud, do you think he might have been referring to a rather injudicious statement by Mrs. Obama?  See below.


McCain vs Obama...Cindy vs Michelle, That Is
It started innocuously enough. Michelle Obama, wife of Democratic candidate Barack Obama, D-Ill., was talking about her husband’s message of hope. "What we have learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback," she said at a rally Monday in Milwaukee. "It is making a comeback and let me tell you something," she continued, "for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country."... It got some mention on political blogs, but not much more than that. Until another political wife - Cindy McCain - put in her two cents. "I'm proud of my country," McCain said Tuesday, during an introduction of her husband, the Arizona senator and soon-to-be nominee of the Republican party, John McCain. "I don’t know about you, if you heard those words earlier, I’m very proud of my country."

Which of those statements do you think will "resignate" in the hearts of American voters?

Bit in His Teeth (by Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memo)
Some time a week or so ago I read an article about the Obama-McCain relationship (send me the link?). And the gist was that the antagonism between these two men (at least from McCain's side) isn't something cooked up to order for this campaign. This goes all the way back to when Obama showed up in the senate. And it seems to come down to a sense of 'I've been working at this my whole life and who the f--k is this Obama kid?'

A McCain cabinet could bear shades of Teddy Roosevelt
Democrats already are regularly attacking John McCain for offering what they characterize as a third George W. Bush term. But a new Theodore Roosevelt presidency might be closer to the mark.

Never mind that Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive.  Never mind that he QUIT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!  But against a guy who looks like a kid, anything is possible.

RNC donor event outlines Obama attack plan
Focusing on Barack Obama’s "inexperience" and "undisciplined messaging" are two ways to ensure that the senator from Illinois doesn’t get to be president, according to honchos at the Republican National Committee.

Judging Hillary's Experience (by Marie Coco, Washington Post Writers’ Group)
Fresh-face-for-the-future versus failed-policies-of-the-past is an easy, if not automatic, choice for these times, the thinking goes. The prescription may well involve a large dose of wishful thinking. It ignores, in particular, the difficulty that Obama has had attracting support from older Democrats, who have routinely supported Clinton... [M]any of them tend to fit the profile of the original Reagan Democrats. Some of them, in fact, were Reagan Democrats who have since returned to the fold. The men, especially, have little discomfort in switching parties in the general election, particularly when national security issues come to the fore. Many of them are military veterans, and they may instinctively trust McCain on national security, even if they have soured on the Iraq War.

And they will not hesitate to vote Republican again, as Froma Harrop told us, when they compare the resumes of McCain and Obama.

Carolyn Kay

Originally posted to cmkay on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 09:26 AM PST.

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  •  Did I click on '' by mistake? (2+ / 0-)
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    YatPundit, MagisterLudi

    "Some men see things as they are and say 'Why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'I need to quit drinking!'" - Greasy Grant

    by Greasy Grant on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 09:28:48 AM PST

  •  Except at restraunts and movie theaters. (0+ / 0-)

    That discount is well deserved.

    (No offense to the mature kossacks in the house.)

    There's no reason to become alarmed, and we hope you'll enjoy the rest of your week. By the way, is there anyone here who knows how to run a government?

    by iconoclastic cat on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 09:29:38 AM PST

  •  why couldn't they have picked Romney (2+ / 0-)
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    inclusiveheart, mrogers2007

    yes, McCain could very well win in November.

    Anecdotally, I know several Democrats who are not yet sold on Obama. Hillary or Edwards supporters all. Would they vote for McCain? Probably not.  Stay home? Maybe.

    Oh, I forgot, on this site we are supposed to "believe in Obama".  

    •  So, can anyone tell me why Democrats (1+ / 0-)
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      support McCain?  I have a few in my neighborhood.  I call them libertarian eco-liberals.  They are liberal on the environment but they'd be happy if federal taxes disappeared tomorrow.  They tend to be engineers by profession.  

      Does that sound like the people you know?   I think in Florida they are very pro-military -- everyone there, including Democrats.  

      But, what else?  Are there other forces at work in this pro-McCain democratic demographic?  

      •  Mostly people who buy into the Maverick Mythology (2+ / 0-)
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        MagisterLudi, donnamarie

        that he has been peddling for years.  They think McCain is "sensible" and not an ideologue - except the problem is that it is his speeches and comments and not his voting record that are the basis upon which they make their determination of him.  A lot of people have no clue how anti-choice McCain is for instance.  The guy is a real live rightwinger, but he is extremely clever about how he presents his positions - he comes off seeming reasonable and rational - but in reality he has always been a pretty extreme conservative.  I know some Democrats who think that he was really courageous for speaking out against torture - what they don't know is that he didn't really do anything to stop it and that he could have if he wanted to.  He could stop the president tomorrow if he wanted to by joining with key Democrats, but he hasn't.  This is the extremely successful artifice of John McCain's public persona.

      •  I would have supported McCain in 2000 (0+ / 0-)

        I thought Gore got the nod because "it was his turn" not because he had a compelling message.  Living in California, the race was over before I had a chance to express an opinion.

        McCain seemed like a centrist and he called out the religious right takeover (and take right) of the Repugs for the manipulation that it was.

        In the intervening 8 years it appears to me that he sold his soul.

        I think he is so wrong on Iraq that he should be disqualified from office.

        He rolled over to support the current criminal administration.  He didn't protest loudly enough for me when torture became the officially condoned policy of the land.

        To plagiarize Stephen Colbert:

        He is dead to me now.

        I suspect many of the centrists supporting him weren't paying attention to his descent during the past 8 years.  I suspect that the national campaign could make short work of him by underscoring his shifts over the past 8 years (can we please get past calling changing your mind "flip flopping"?).  He changed his mind for the worse.

        That link (above) about Iraq should just get played over and over and over again.  A former soldier should know better than to play "risk" in the real world.

        •  Good points. The Dem campaign really (0+ / 0-)

          needs to bring this stuff out.   Heck, they should be doing it now instead of tearing each other down.  Hillary, for instance, would score more points with future voters if she could mount a cogent attack on McCain, than trying to attack her democratic opponent (who is looking more and more like the teflon candidate these days).

          •  Well, they won't be doing that ... (0+ / 0-)

            ... because the Obama supporters are so busy crowing and being happy with themselves and hating the Clintons that McCain will keep slipping the shiv to their candidate, as he did last night.

            Imagine the debate stage: Seasoned warrior vs. a guy who looks like a kid and has no accomplishments.

            It ain't gonna fly, friends.

            Carolyn Kay

            •  I agree with you. Obama would be toast in any (0+ / 0-)

              ordinary rational election year.  

              This year, however, seems somewhat irrational, and the "movement" may just carry Obama through.  Just like in 1982 when I never quite got what was so wonderful about Reagan, I fear I may never quite get what's so wonderful about Obama.  But if he wins I'll be happy since it will be a Democrat making judicial appointments, etc.

              •  That's what the Republicans thought ... (0+ / 0-)

                ... about Goldwater in 1964.  Then Johnson played the "daisy" ad about a nuclear bomb exploding, and that was the end of that.  I think Goldwater won one state.

                Carolyn Kay

                •  Yup, his own, Arizona I think? (0+ / 0-)

                  But then in 1972 we Dems made the same mistake with McGovern who won only one state.

                  So, what do you think would be the 2008 equivalent of the daisy-bomb ad?

                  •  Oh, Lord, I hate to even guess. (0+ / 0-)

                    But you have to think that there's something going on behind the scenes on the Republican side.  Sometimes I think it's Karl Rove, but other times I wonder.  I may write about it tomorrow.

                    How did McCain come from way down in the pack to the top of the heap?  Who and what is behind it?  And are the same forces finagling things on our side, to make sure our nominee is the one they want McCain to face?

                    We can't just shut our eyes and hope, as infants do, that all the potential trouble will magically disappear.

                    Carolyn Kay

                    •  I agree that the Republicans are (0+ / 0-)

                      likely to favor the democrat they most want to run against.   I think they were very afraid of John Edwards, appealing as he did to a conservative white male demographic (the demographic they like to have).   And together with the MSM they ended his run handily.

                      As for McCain, that was quite a comeback.  I'm mystified.   I used to think him unlikeable, but in his recent appearance on Larry King, he came across as surprisingly warm and witty.   Maybe he can turn it on and off.    He seems more engaged and spontaneous than Barack.  

                      Despite his reputation for giving a great speech, Barack is kind of a "let's lean back in our chairs and ponder this" sort of guy.   McCain is more direct.   I think the U.S. people tend to prefer direct.  But then, they are pretty sick of republicans generally.

                      It's anyone's game!

      •  voting for President is complex (0+ / 0-)

        I was an Edwards supporter not because I agreed with him 100% but because I liked him. I then switched to Hillary because I think she has more experience. So, I am already on "plan C" with Obama and "plan D" with McCain.  

        I don't hate McCain, nor love McCain, nor hate Obama, nor love Obama.

        Here, everyone loves, loves, loves, loves Obama.  I don't fall in love with politicians.

        The people I know have a wide range in education, everything from high school to Ph.D./M.D.  Not particularly pro-military, although most have some inkling of respect for McCain. Centrist Democrats, although some I thought were quite to my left.

        It is just ambivalence. I will probably end up agreeing with McCain 30% of the time, and Obama 40% of the time and I don't have a man-crush on either one of them. So I guess Obama might have a slight edge. But we have nine months to go until this is over. Anything can happen.

        I also think McCain will be lying 70% of the time, but Obama will only be lying 50% of the time. Again, I don't join cults and I don't fall in love with politicians.

      •  They might for now (0+ / 0-)

        Just wait til union-backed 527's have a chance to "define" him.

        Left, not liberal. A liberal wants to redistribute wealth from bosses to workers. A leftist wants to stop redistributing wealth from workers to bosses.

        by slaney black on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 11:34:11 AM PST

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    •  I failed to talk my wife off the ledge... (3+ / 0-)

      ...and she's pissed off about Hillary losing. She plans to vote McCain when we move back in Califonia in November.

      I will attempt to talk her out of this plan.

      I'm more of a party man myself.

      All he has to do is have Romney, Huckabee, Giuliani rip into Obama and have mcCain do some vague uplifting speeches about hope and victory and pride copied and pasted from churchills old speeches.

      At a minimum he'll save his own party from extinction.

      "It's a race to decide who the British goverment will follow blindly for the next 4 years" Kennedy/Kerry '08

      by Salo on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 09:37:29 AM PST

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  •  I'd agree, except ... (0+ / 0-)

    That sentence was WAY too long for the knuckle draggers he is seeking to woo.  My guess is few made it past the second subjunctive clause.

  •  McCain looked good last night... (4+ / 0-)

    ...the amphetamines kicked in...

    We shouldn't definitely not assume that the old man is going to pack it away... Just like Hillary, McCain feels that the country owes him the presidency...

    Plus, he has some good attack dogs working for him.



  •  Discount, hell, we can't even give him away (0+ / 0-)

    What does resignate mean anyway? Do you want McCain to resign? We'd miss out on all the fun if that happens and Rush would be in a foul mood without McCain to harp on.

  •  No chance for Hillary-Obama 08 now (0+ / 0-)

    I think you're right. McCain will be a formidable opponent and I fear that Obama will not be up to the onslaught that is coming. People on this site dont want to hear that but it never pays to underestimate your opponents.
    The sad thing is that a Hillary-Obama team would probably have been unbeatbale, but I dont think there's any likelihood of that now.

  •  McCaine=Goldwater (0+ / 0-)

    "In your gut, you know he's nuts"

  •  Of course this is good advice (0+ / 0-)

    One should never underestimate an opponent! I did get a chuckle out of this from McCain's speach:

    a tired philosophy that trusts in government more than people

    I thought we were supposed to have government that is "Of the people, by the people and for the people".

    He claims Obama's message of change is just empty rhetoric but then calls it a "tired philosophy". It would seem one can't have no philosophy and a tired one at the same time.

    After Obama's wins in the "Chesapeake" primaries last week, I watched his speach which was a typical, rousing, well-articulated speach given to thousands of cheering, enthusiastic supporters.

    A few moments later McCain came on. There were six, crusty, old, tired white people standing behind him, all of whom looked ready for the morgue.

    One couldn't have come up with a better metaphor to contrast the two campaigns any better with that image alone... But when McCain started talking his message (relatively speaking) was one of gloom and doom, compared to Obama's "Yes we can!" optimism.

    Again you're absolutely right that we shouldn't be complacent but at the same time it's very difficult for me to see McCain's message of 4 more years of GWB's disastrous policies and all the depression that goes along with them, prevailing over Obama's uplifting tone.

    If I was in Vegas, I'd easily take the bet that Obama will crush McCain, barring unforeseen developments.

    The Republicans are like a rabid, wounded dog and are going to be willing to snap at anyone or anything ferociously for they have nothing to lose by doing so.

    It's going to get very interesting this summer and fall and I dare say unlike any presidential campaign I've witnessed in my 49 years on this mortal coil.

    This ain't no party. This ain't no disco. This ain't no foolin' around!

    by Snud on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 09:47:30 AM PST

  •  If we focus on Iraq with laser like intensity (0+ / 0-)

    John McCain will be crushed.

    "No one could have anticipated those goofy TX primary rules" -- Hillary Condi Clinton

    by Bill White on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 09:58:38 AM PST

  •  mccuckoo has no chance (2+ / 0-)
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    gnat, Greasy Grant

    he has the smallest "base" of any candidate in memory, he lacks energy, lacks message, lacks political skill, lacks money, lacks support, lacks credibility on domestic issues, and been photographed dry-humping bush's leg...oh yeah, he's older than dirt and is about to get hit by a tidal wave of american disgust

    don't overthink this thing...obama will destroy mccain

    i will vote for the democratic candidate in get out of my fuckin' face

    by memofromturner on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 09:59:06 AM PST

    •  all of this is true to some degree (0+ / 0-)

      and in a more rational world it would certainly play out this way. The problem is the media: they have so warped the American political landscape that they will do their best to make McCain seem like a heroic and legitimate heir to the pre-Bush and Reaganesque fantasies of the Republican party. Witness, for instance, how a bonafide Vietnam hero (Kerry) was pummeled by the AWOL coke-head failure who is our current leader. So it is unwise to discount the possibility that McCain will be a formidibel challenger, since the media has always taken a shine to him anyway. But I applaud your optimism: we will certainly need it.

  •  DO NOT discount McCain! Sell him at full price! (0+ / 0-)
  •  On MSNBC last night... (0+ / 0-)

    ... Pat Buchanan commented, (paraphrase) "at least he's gotten rid of the retirement community behind him" - referring to the old white guys in VA. Still, even the likes of Joe Scarborough and Buchanan are unconvinced that McCain can match Obama.
    ..Remember most of these right wing nut jobs came of age and came to power as a result of Reagan 1980 and post 1980, most of them realize that Obama is offering the same broad message of hope(without too many specifics) that Reagan offered in 1980, and McCain looks like the same old tired Carter offering nothing but caution. "The shining city on the hill" (in this era of who wrote what for whom, this phrase was borrowed by Reagan from JFK !!) was just an offer of hope after all!! Reagan never told us who was going to build the road that led to the city, neither did he tell us how we would get the money to finance it !!

  •  I don't fear McCain, I fear the smear (0+ / 0-)

    We've seen it before, they will seek to define Obama in ways that we can't even imagine.  

    Get ready for ugly, because there's nothing like a good swift-boating to drive up ratings for the vultures in the MSM. With the Democratic turnout setting records, bomb, bomb McCain's only chance is to discourage voters with negativity and his surrogates will be like attack dogs on steroids.

    A good example has been the past week and the charges of plagiarism leveled by Hillary to try to drive Obama's negatives up. Supposedly she plans to go even more negative over the next two weeks.

    Hillary and McCain could probably save some money by pooling their resources against their common foe.

  •  citing Froma Harrop (0+ / 0-)

    is like asking Newt Gingrich for advice on campaign strategy...

    It is amazing how much can be accomplished when you don't care who gets the credit - Harry Truman
    PoliticalCompass Scale: -2.13, -2.97

    by floundericiousMI on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 10:09:11 AM PST

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