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Kossacks Under 35 is a weekly diary series designed to create a community within DailyKos that focuses on young people. Our overall goals are to work on increasing young voters' Democratic majority, and to raise awareness about issues that particularly affect young people, with a potential eye to policy solutions. Kossacks of all ages are welcome to participate (and do!), but the overall framework of each diary will likely be on or from a younger person's perspective. If you would like more information or want to contribute a diary, please email kath25 at kossacksunder35 (at) gmail dot com

Full Disclosure: I am not under 35 but I was for a while, and chances are in 35 years you won't be under 35, either. So there. :)

Okey doke...the One True Kath25 asked me to use my future forecasting powers for evil the good of the group. I was advised to deal with topics of daily life interest as best I could manage, so I made a list (drawing from past Kossacks Under 35 diaries and trying to parse out from my oodles o futurology-ish diaries and the forecasting programs I have designed over the years to come up with some forecasts.

Alrighty, time to set the stage

The World in, hold on let me add it up February 21, 2043!

W00t! And, yes, words like w00t and pwn are in common spoken parlance...by old geezers. Image and aural iconography is hip among the young. And, gets better, being "young" got a lot older, thanks to longevity extensions and far more valuable, vitality extensions.

We're going to be America-centric here just because I will get lost in the weeds and you will be, too, if I am free to run amok across the Earth and beyond.

Social Security Medicare Fund at risk but for a happy reason

The recent acceleration in older age life expectancy has continued in the United States for four decades. In the year 2010, American seniors at age 65 could expect to live on average to age 85. but now (in 2043), they can expect to reach 95.

There is an ongoing debate in Congress to accelerate the eligibility age of retirement from 69 1/2 years to 74 1/2, as there are now instances -- of people living longer on Social Security than they were work (a lot of people are seeing 120 birthdays these days). Voters 18-34 would like to see the retirement age raised and caps lowered. Voters in the 35-65 band tend want to retire, then once grandfathered in raise the retirement age behind them. The over 65 crowd doesn't care; no one is about to take their checks away, as they are far and away the most powerful electoral constituency in the country.

And that has changed things greatly, the hegemony of seniority in American politics. So everything you love and cherish will be The Establishment in 2043. Noooooo..... haha.

Public Policy in 35 years

Alrighty, what about Congress? And politics?

Who is running things? What are the issues?

And who won in 2008? Sorry I can tell you that.

It's fairly safe to say that it will be a more conservative society BUT what it's conservative about are the progressive notions of Right Now. So build the home for your ideolological hopes and dreams well, once the foundations are laid in this coming election.

What you build in 2008 is gonna be around for a long time to come, so please get it right, and get it done the right way.

The American People

There are approximately 453 million of them. And we are startng to see in sufficient numbers distinctive combinations of the admixtures among the various demographic categories, and hints here and there of all the possibilities that could be as, perhaps a thousand years hence, perhaps less, all the many threads of Humanity unite anew in the children of America, as so many bloodlines join together. Some lament the mixing, it even has an ugly label - miscegenation. But what love brings together, let no one put asunder.

Ah, yes, the topic of marriage and civil unions. No one even mentions that last term anymore, without think of other shameful political contrivances like "poll tax" and "enemy combatant" and "separate but equal". People meet, fall in love, some live together, some get married. Some have children. Some share gender, some share religion, some share race. Not all do, and the law says not only do they don't have to but discrimination for their doing (or NOT doing) so isn't acceptable in any way. People got over their fear of other people's happiness, the world is so scarce of joy as it is.

Geopolitics

Nations do not have permanent friends, just permanent interests... excpt those interests shift over time too. This happens to be my specialty, forecasting wars, who is likely to fight then, when and against whom.

The challenges of the early 21st century are still with us in the mid-2040s. The sins of our forebears and all that.

The United States is still the largest world economy and military power -- the last barely, for both China and India can be called true superpowers now. Brazil and Indonesia have surpassed Japan. Russia, Colombia, Canada and Mexico round out the Top Ten.

For the very long haul, the targeted long-term sustained growth forecast favors Indonesia, Zaire, Brazil, Colombia, Venezuela, India, Argentina, then China..then the Philippines and Russia. At least among the biggest economies.

The picture is one where South America has everyone's close attention, so letting in all dem immigrants is suddenly looking like a really, really smart decision. Good thing the Americans of 2008 didn't election in a bunch of xenophobes else the US of A might have been shut out and facing instead an adversarial federation of Hispanic countries to the south, one that enjoyed enthusiastic backing from the Asian powers.

But that very stupid choice was not made, so "America" in quotes is part of America -- all of the New World, and it's a great feeling.

As for hot spots...Iraq is still a cluster, thanks to the war of forty years before, but tensions exist in Zaire, Uganda, Sudan, Madagascar, Nepal, Nigeria, India, Zambia and Colombia, in some due to the uneven distribution of wealth, in others due to desperate destitution.

Japan is remilitarized and doing its best to hold the Philippines together, in an odd and US-sanctioned replay of events a century earlier. Colombia is in a full-blown war with Venezuela, which has spilled out across all of the Americas. Brazil has remained aloof, preoccupied with its own designs in central Africa which run afoul of Nigeria's plans for the place. Europe is involved in several peacekeeping projects most prominently the (again the strange twists) mostly-German support force in and near Israel, consequences of the angry stand-off with the Qaidi governments that now rule Algeria, Egypt Sudan and Saudi Arabia; the French and the British contingents are more involved in the now-protected North Africa War.

It is a world that has dismayed the Americans, who have turned some of their energies elsewhere.

New Frontiers

If you are wondering what the jobs for Kossacks under 35 would be, well, they might not be in a place where you can just walk out with a jacket. They might be someplace else like, say, being a subglacial habitat architect in Antarctica (population 1.0 million), or a submarine CAD designer (undersea colonies, population 1million) or even, you guessed it, figuring out ways to sift out Helium-3 from the lunar regolith (291,000 peeps on the Moon these days). Sorry, no towns on Mars yet...the isolation is just too daunting.

OK gotta speed this bad boy up

this is the sketch for the world in 2100, it's a bit too far ahead of our target date here but it will give you an idea of what's up.

Let me see what's apropos for our exercise tonight...

Less powerful mass media.  The reduction in the danger of mass media has been almost universal. There is a nearly-allergic reaction to monoculture of ideas. People just don't shine to having their emotions and thoughts messed with like they once did.

And with the decline of broadcasting, weaker state control. The alliance of the two was the basis of 20th century nationalism -- and totalitarianism. The most repressive regimes in the year 2100 are praetorian republics, assembled on the 'Republican' model, and the mechanics of containing and innoculating against such threats are now well-understood; the United States is much freer, happier and more prosperous now, and has been cheered back into the community of civilized and lovable nations. (We're lovable again! Yay!)

More agriculture, out of necessity. This means more local-grown, by a variety of means. This is less meat and more produce ; there has to be, livestock is for several reasons too rare and too expensive. Given the proscription against monoculture, factory farming is out. Now ha the risks are better understand, personal testing kits available and there siply are too many people to be choosy all the time, GM foods are now acceptable, but only in the context of enhancing, not restricting, diversities within and of species.

Introduciton of things you'd not recognize as machines. Much of the information gear, the boxlike terminals, the keyboards, the televisions, the radios, is now being replaced by gear that is embedded in wardrobe -- or in the users themselves.

The jihads and reactionary crusades of the 21st century are discrediting religion as a mode of conduct, but the ecological and biological cataclysms of the era, as well as the discovery of worlds full of life nearby and the detection of distant neighbors elsewhere in the galaxy has had a paradoxical boosting effect on faith. Fewer go to church, there is much less demand for professional clergy, and widespread skepticism of their motives, even where churches and mosques and temples receive common visitation.

Lots more internet, for we wear our connectivity, with sights and sounds and data and commerce available on a whim. It takes up both less of our attention and more of our lives. There are greater risks of trouble, now that the health consequences of a programming virus and a biological one are identical. Likewise, the defenses are more robust, and the prosecution of deliberate tampering with the data of others is considered personal violence, and punished as such.

Some very scary hackers. In some cases, hackers' products have killed by the thousands. Wars are being fought online; there are powers and there are superpowers in this domain; for programming it is China and India. For hardware, the Americans. For bioware, the Russians, who have less compunction about such things than their traditional rivals. For cybernetics, now understood to be the mating of flesh and mechanics, the Brazilians are making strong moves.

Data storage is out; data continuum is in. There is so much realtime information, supported by quantum processing and protection by quantum encryption, that storage of information offline is not only redundant but uneconomical for legitimate pursuits. People treat such secretive behaviors as suspicious; there are notorious examples from the early 21st century of excessive sequestration of information. We do our utmost to keep our lives open and honest...largely because of quantum decryption, there is little point in subterfuge. Still, humans require their secrets, and there are strict privacy laws to provide some refuge from the ubiquitous cyber-observation that we live with.

School's out forever. Part of the abolition of monoculture is the elimination of mass education. We have group education in a variety of ad hoc settings; there is still daycare and classes, but the days when millions of hectares of valuable land and trillions of dollars of wealth were poured into public education are over. Most of the socialization and all of the instruction benefits can be handled at the ad hoc class level, and we find that diversification of settings raises the likelihood of forward progress in a child, and identification of what settings and personas complement a given individual's learning success.

Wrap

This is a world many of us are likely to see. I am, so if that is true then so are most of you guys who read the Under 35 series. I have decided to elide past some of the darker forecastings, the fun topics like global warming and future plagues and the possible use of WMDs (for real) in the next 35 years. But for the most part I see the nexy 35 yeasr -- our lives -- as being extensons of , well, our lives. History rarely throws true surprises. Mostly it sends up told-you-so's.

So, I hope this was interesting, and in some corners here you got some thoughts going on what you want to be doing to make the house you are building out of your own ideas into a great place to life, because what you right now is going to be with you a very long time, not just in an election year but in your life, with your career, your families in the making, you friendships and your dreams.

So snap to it. The future's waiting for us to float down the river of time and visit.

Originally posted to cskendrick on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:15 PM PST.

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  •  This is a fun idea... (7+ / 0-)

    I know what I thought the world would be when I was in my 20's (1970's).

    Interestingly...most of it is very, very different than I expected. Some good and some not so good.

    Have fun...this old fart's gonna sit back and watch!

    Memo to Congress: Put up or shut up ~ all talk and no action pisses me off.

    by SallyCat on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:18:18 PM PST

  •  I've got another 15 months of being under 35 (4+ / 0-)
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    Woo Hoo!

  •  This is kinda long (8+ / 0-)

    So don't tip me (I have more than enough mojo anyway) so this doesn't block out all the other comments. I wrote this earlier today when kath25 said it would be about 20 years in the future, so I wrote it from the vantage point of 2028 rather than 2043 (in 2043 I'll be 64 - earning social security! wow. will you still need me, will you still feed me, when i'm sixty four?)

    It's the spring of 2028, and my daughter is about to graduate high school. I'm 48 years old - just two years away from the big 5-0. Good god, where did all the time go! As I come to grips with my age, I find myself reminiscing about my own youth, about life before my little angel was in my life, before she was a twinkle in our eyes. I caught something about the next round of the presidential primaries on my way here, and I was cast back to that fateful year 2008. And I wondered, "what would 28-year old me notice as being different, interesting, or unusual about the world 48-year old me inhabits?"

    Lots of things come to mind. I look down at the orange I'm about to peel and realize it came from my own garden. This isn't unusual - most Americans grow their own food these days. Hell, without it, we might starve. Urban food production is second nature to me now, though it took me some time to hone my skills back in the Teens. It was hard for most of us to learn - though my daughter's generation, thank god, has grown up with these skills.

    I was annoyed when the Supreme Court threw out California's squatter law. In 2015 we got a law passed allowing people to farm on vacant lots - be they empty land, houses abandoned in the great crash of '08, whatever - as long as that food was either used to feed their families or sold locally, and grown organically. Some landowners sued and the damn Supremes backed them up. Ah well. There's nothing to say California has to actually enforce the decision. And isn't it about time that we got that constitutional amendment passed limiting the terms of Justices? I mean, John Roberts and Samuel Alito are STILL on the frigging court 20 years later. Bah!

    America is much more self-sufficient in food these days. Thank god for it; the lack of cheap oil has meant that the old industrial agriculture practices of the 20th century were no longer viable. Our diet is much changed - much more local, more seasonal. Less meats. Less fish, too, as fish stocks have declined - although here in Monterey, the boats still come in late at night and illicitly dump some illegally-caught fish. It's quite a booming black-market business, kind of like marijuana had been 20 years ago, before legalization.

    Whoa there! Nearly got run over by some kid on his bike. Doesn't he know bikes are for the street, not the sidewalk? That's why we made all those bike-only roads and bike trails, kid. In the late Teens, as the skyrocketing price of gas meant many fewer people could drive, people turned to bikes in huge numbers for basic local transportation needs. We reclaimed lanes from the streets, and soon, whole city streets themselves. Only a few thoroughfares are striped for cars these days.

    And most cars that are out there run on some combination of solar/electric power. A few gasoline engine cars remain, but they're rare - for hobbyists who can afford the gas, primarily. For intercity travel we use the trains mostly. It was a bit dicey here in California before our high speed rail line opened in 2018. It doesn't reach us here in Monterey, but they just upgraded the express rail service to San José to a 120-mph Talgo that gets us to the Gilroy HSR station in 30 minutes. Meaning we can visit my parents in their retirement home in Orange County in just 3.5 hours via rail. We could never have driven that distance that quickly!

    Nor could we fly it today. I heard a plane fly past about an hour ago - it sounded like a jet; must have been either some wealthy dude from Pebble Beach, or some foreigners visiting to play golf there. Ah well. As long as they can afford the carbon taxes on a flight - at $100/mile it's not exactly cheap - they can fly anywhere they like for all I care. I always wanted to learn to be a pilot. Then again, I always wanted to take that big crosscountry road trip in an RV with my daughter and my wife and our daughter's dog. Ah well.

    What happened to all the old gas-guzzling cars? Well, most of them were bought back by the government for scrap in the '10s and early '20s - they were invaluable for the infrastructure projects. In fact, the government got so many back that they stopped the program in '24. There are still a lot of rusting old SUV's, especially out in the suburbs.

    My daughter and her friends don't quite believe me when I explain that 20 years ago suburbs were where all the wealthy folks lived, and the city centers were just coming back from their own down time. Today most folks won't venture near a suburb unless they have to. They've become dangerous, crime-ridden places. The shoddy McMansions built in the '90s and '00s have been taken over by drug dealers and, unfortunately, the poor. Many of them are trying to farm their land, but those turn-of-the-century suburban developers were so stupid - they built the houses so close together that there was very little land on which people could garden or farm. Some folks have turned to arson to burn down the empty house next to theirs and started gardening in the rubble.

    I think of her grandparents - my parents - baby boomers now in their 70s and 80s. We sent them off to the home a few years ago. They're happy there. They listen to their rock music all day long and sit around talking about the good old days of the 1950s and 1960s. Sometimes when we visit we get harangued about how we never took to the streets like they did, how we let America fall from its position of global leadership. I long ago gave up on trying to set them straight; I figure "why not let them believe what they want to in their old age?" I get annoyed when they ask me to drive them on casual, meaningless errands - they never could quite come to grips with the fact that driving a car is a luxury. Ironically, their own parents would have understood. The boomers never could quite come to grips with the end of the great age of American consumerism. Hell, not everyone in my generation did either - or they didn't until starvation and homelessness set them straight. Hopefully our children's generation and their children won't face the same struggles.

    One thing I do stand with my parents on, though, is culture. These new trends are fucking weird. Last week my daughter's best friend came over, and I couldn't believe how she was dressed: she wore a '50s poodle skirt, a tie-dye shirt, a disco-style polyester suit coat, and her hair was in a '70s-style mohawk. wtf? I tried telling her that most of those fashion trends were not just mutually exclusive but mutually hostile. She shrugged and told my daugther "what's up with your dad?"

    Their music is similar - "pastiche" is the dominant trend. My daughter had her solar radio up loud last night and I could have sworn someone had mixed Glenn Miller and the Sex Pistols. Bizarre.

    I much prefer the musical trend they're calling "post-electronic." Well, "post-electronic" is a much broader cultural phenomenon, rejecting 20th century electronic culture for handmade forms - live performance instead of recorded TV or music, for example. Or acoustic guitar to electric guitar. Last year I was explaining to my daughter why people thought Hendrix was such a guitar hero, but she just said "dad, real musicians play acoustic." Such is the post-electronic ethos. Although I get endless pleasure out of watching "post-electronic" getting spread over the internet. Hahahaha.

    Most homes have solar power, but also popular is "human power." Folks will get on their exercise bike, which is attached to a battery, and ride for 45 minutes, enough to power their home for a few hours. One of my neighbors powers everything that way - refuses to use solar. Whatever. Every era has its people who want to one-up everyone else by being more extreme. In my 20s it was hipsters on fixed-gear bikes. 20 years from now it'll be something else.

    Religion - that too is still around. Like everything else, it's on a much more local and participatory scale - though I am continuously surprised at how popular Catholicism has become again. Maybe people just want a sense of continuity and stability, or are trying to remember their past - that's why my sister has become such a hardcore Catholic (god, she's insufferable about it, too - she got so mad when I told her kids that she didn't like church when we were young). Maybe they don't want to think for themselves. Our society demands a lot of thinking for oneself these days, actually. I think it's good, but not everyone is into it. Still, people use churches for social gatherings. Buddhism is also popular - people turning inward as the world comes apart. It's happened before.

    Damn, I hear someone calling to me from down the street. Do I know him? People come up to me all the time as if they know me personally. What's he saying? "Governor! Governor!" Ah, another constituent. Gotta run. See you later!

    I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day

    by eugene on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:28:11 PM PST

  •  Well I Am A Few Years Older Than 35 (4+ / 0-)
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    38 actually. And I will just share a little something with you, since I am old and wise :).

    When I was 35-36 I decided I better get in shape. I was maybe 20-25 pounds overweight. Didn't work out. Didn't really eat well. I figured the longer I waited to get in shape and the older I got the harder it would get. Well I dropped that 25, went from 157-160 to 130 (I'm 5'4). Got in shape. Started to eat better. Workout (actually just running most of the time).

    I am here to report I feel younger and/or better then I did when I was in my 20s. So there is hope for you when you grow out of the "Kossack Under 35" age group.

    Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

    by webranding on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:30:10 PM PST

    •  i am enjoying my early 40s very much (2+ / 0-)
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      there is always hope
      there is always change

      we do need to stick together as progressives/dems and work for change from the bottom up and top down.  

      one thing i never saw coming is how powerful the religious right fundies became.  there were signs, of course, now more easily recognized in hind sight.  it would be lovely to have a secular group, with that organization and passion, for progressive causes.  

      i thought medicine would be easier - more cures, and more available.  

      i thought there might be progress globally on poverty issues, and in the USA in appalachia and certain indian reservations.  

      i'll start my own school for educating poor kids.  i'm doing pretty well at this home school stuff.  

      Proud Member of the Mariachi Mama Bickering Moratorium

      by jlms qkw on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 07:07:51 PM PST

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  •  I liked much of what I read until I saw (2+ / 0-)
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    the prediction of the demise of public education. And that made me sad.

    There is much more good than bad, there. It would be a shame to lose such a relatively egalitarian institution.

    Unless we foresee the elimination of the class structure in our country (and I would be intrigued to hear how that would happen), public education is one of our last, best hopes... if we can just get the public behind it!

    The law is slacked and judgment doth never go forth: the wicked compass about the righteous and wrong judgment proceedeth - Habakkuk 1:4

    by vox humana on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:46:55 PM PST

    •  It's dying right now (3+ / 0-)
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      As we speak, Arnold Schwarzenegger is trying to end public education as we know it in California. And unless the Democrats stand and fight, it will happen.

      I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day

      by eugene on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:48:21 PM PST

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      •  Yes. The last day of public education (3+ / 0-)
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        will be the last day of any chance for any form of social mobility for those who do not possess means or connections.

        Society has already created the institutions for the poor that will replace public education.

        They're called prisons. And they are very convenient warehouses when built out of sight and out of mind.

        Back to the future, indeed. Where's the Spirit of Christmas Present when you need him?

        The law is slacked and judgment doth never go forth: the wicked compass about the righteous and wrong judgment proceedeth - Habakkuk 1:4

        by vox humana on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:58:00 PM PST

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    •  end of public education (2+ / 0-)
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      heh

      so ironic.

      i just finished rereading the Seafort Saga (by David Feintuch), a group of 7 books set in the late 22nd to mid 23rd centuries, where the fundies won, took over the UN, and eliminated public education, among other things.

      though they tolerate gays, strangely enough.

    •  Pub Ed is why the US became a superpower (2+ / 0-)
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      You can track the attacks on it -- and their success -- with the decline very closely.

      But it's not the end state of pedogogy. I think we are going to move past the extant model into something more freelance and particatory for the pupil. Now, if that's publically funded, then in that sense public education will persist.

      Lynch mob partipants volunteered, too.

      by cskendrick on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 03:22:32 AM PST

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      •  Certainly a huge factor (0+ / 0-)

        The Constitution had something to do with it, too -- never hurts to have a solid foundation of law.  The facts that we got a third of a continent for free plus a few hundred years of free labor didn't hurt.

        The whole, "Protected by the two biggest oceans in the world" thing didn't hurt, either, especially when it came to fighting two world wars on our own terms.  Coming out of WWII with our cities and productive capacity intact was certainly a bonus.  

        But public education certainly did help with the flow of ideas and innovation.

        •  the open real estate issue (0+ / 0-)

          plus wide open immigration
          plus vast natural wealth

          helped.

          You can model the rise of the USA without recourse to the traditional iconic factors easily enough.

          And the same model will predict the rise of, let's see...China, India, Brazil and Indonesia in the next century as well, with a renascent Russia and a remilitarized Japan tossed in for laughs.

          Lynch mob partipants volunteered, too.

          by cskendrick on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 06:15:26 AM PST

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  •  Correction: (3+ / 0-)
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    There aren't that many super centenarians.  That outlier for men is approximately 114-116.  The oldest known woman Jeanne Calmert was 122 (And French, and wealthy).

    But good to bring it up since maximum life expectancy is assumed in some circles to be pushing upwards of past 100 and to about 125 for some people.

    Politicians should fear the voters, how's it any different when they're superdelegates?

    by Nulwee on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:55:34 PM PST

  •  yeah (1+ / 0-)
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    this is actually 2 years after my official retire date----IF i stay in my current job.

    I don't even know what I'm doing next week, let alone 10 years from now. I prefer to live in the now; not the future. gay men seem to  be irresponsible now, so the chances are pretty high (IMO) i'll meet someone who lies to me and gives me a disease so I never see 2040. Sad, I think.

  •  To add a couple: (1+ / 0-)
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    In the year 2100, artificial intelligence will have advanced to the point where it is difficult to tell humans from robots.  The main difference will be that some lucky humans will have evolved gills which enable them to live in the 40% of the former United States that is now underwater.

    •  There will definitely be a convergence (0+ / 0-)

      Also I think some singularity jump-offs are possible, but those AIs that go that route will just vanish from our awareness.

      No use stickin' around ridin' the slow bus. They'll go on their own adventures.

      For all we know, it's already started.

      Lynch mob partipants volunteered, too.

      by cskendrick on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 06:18:08 AM PST

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  •  Great diary, but your title is about time travel? (1+ / 0-)
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    So in 35 years... if I'm under 35... I'm?

    I know your diary explains it well. Hey, don't worry about me.

    I'm old. I've read too much science fiction and I confuse easily on top of that.

    It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

    by Fishgrease on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 07:15:40 PM PST

  •  Geezers saying w00t and pwn... (3+ / 0-)

    This reminded me of a Matt Groening cartoon from mid last-decade, with two old geezers sitting in chairs facing each other, both covered in faded tattoos and sagging piercings, and one says to the other:

    "Oh, I see you were an idiot in the nineties too."

  •  less cheerful version of the next 35 years (0+ / 0-)

    The classic DOD study An Abrupt Climate Change Scenario and Its Implications for United States National Security

    It's what happens if we don't get the Federal government to seriously address climate change in time, and it's based on what was thought to be the bad news 5 years ago. We've been blowing through "worst likely case" scenarios on a fairly regular basis since then.

    Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

    by alizard on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 04:25:34 AM PST

  •  The World in 2100 (1+ / 0-)
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    cskendrick

    Delicious! How did I miss that?

    But I'm still looking for an organized, ongoing discussion forum of some sort. Short-, medium- and long-term. What? When?

    •  Eep. Sorry! (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm workin' on it.

      Lynch mob partipants volunteered, too.

      by cskendrick on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 12:15:44 PM PST

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      •  You're doing it anyway, (0+ / 0-)

        only as a kind of personal journey cum talk show.  

        This is big. A Future(s) Forum (something like that) is the biggest thing on the intellectual horizon, period, IMO.
        Can you think of a project that would give your varied talents more play, more coherence, with more potential for fun and productive political impact?

        If you will lead such a group project, you can count on me. You may not recall, but I've had this concern for years, tho lacking the drawing power, the quickness, the facility of writing and the youth, etc., etc., needed to seriously launch it, bring people together and preserve the momentum once it gets going.
        In a word, leadership is what's needed.
        You can do this. And I'm confident that with one good season it will prove self-sustaining, and would never be an albatross around your kneck, if that's a consideration.

        Some observations:

        I agree that the kossaks you mention are very good, and that Energize America is excellent, a  remarkable model of a group project. -I'm a big fan of that crowd and what they're doing and how they do it. But their project is very much oriented toward a specific area of practical action, with the very fitting aim of influencing/shaping policy outcomes in the shortest possible time. They therefor try to keep the focus narrowly circumscribed. And it's become a big and complex operation to process a vast array of inputs and convert them into concrete reccomendations. A different story, I think.  

        On preferences: There are lot's of different modes that a "future(s) forum" could take.
        Some of them would end up requiring more sustained organizational effort than others (e.g. the off-line potential you mentioned, accumulating documentation, etc.). Hell, over time, this kind of thing could eventually lead (or not) to perks, accrued political influence, apparatus, bureacratic infighting, etc. that such things imply.

        On routes: I think you nailed it with a periodic summary of pertinent dkos activity as a prudent starting point. Of course half the site is absorbed nowadays with short- (and very-short-) term political projections, so I should think that'd have to be under-represented or excluded, or it would swallow the whole thing.

  •  OMG! No one posted this yet?! :) (0+ / 0-)

    In the Year 2525...

    Not so sure about your ideas on food and hope you are mistaken about the public ed... this is part of why I fight Wal-Mart so much. They are so much more than a "supercenter" as they drive the future and it's not good.

    ~~~~

    Where, oh where do you get your time csk? :)

    Mais, la souris est en dessous la table, le chat est sur la chaise et le singe est... est... le singe est disparu! -- Eddie Izzard

    by CSI Bentonville on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 03:45:20 PM PST

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