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  Oh have GOT to be kidding me, and for the love of buddy Christ (thank you  Kevin Smith ) So big time donors in Florida are saying "seat delegates or we are taking our money, but what if they change the game, and do a re-vote? and She loses this time, then what? Are you going to Whine that "the first one should have counted and we are still taking our money." you know what, sparky, maybe you should just leave the party and not come back.

   So here is how it stands If the delegates don't get seated you are going to take your ball and go home right. Then why do you have D beside your name again. Look I maybe new in the world of blogging, but I know blackmail when I see it. This is blackmail, this is distasteful, and it's sicking. Again, this is just more of the "3am" kinda of crap that makes us as "progressives" look more and more broken.
  I am wondering what will it take for those that aren't big money, that have been backing Senator Clinton to see that her "fighting" and campaigning for the white house is actually making sure that no Democrat wins the white house. You know come to think of it, maybe that is what she IS doing, with all that has been done lately, maybe she getting as much mud on Obama as possible to make sure he is just as muddy in front of the American people so he would have NO chance of winning so she can say "see I told you I would have won, and the American people was wrong." then run in 2012 as the true "Savor" of the nation this time. I tend to feel that could be possible, and very sad if that is the case, and more than sad it makes me feel more and more sick.  
 I don't know what to think, but I do know what I feel and what I fear, that unless in the next 5 weeks before Penn, Clinton drops out, I just fear how much more damage can she do to the party so we never win again. Yes if we lose this fall I do blame her completely and if this keeps going, she is making sure that happens.
Updated: I should have done this already, what do we do to fix this. We can right both of them and tell them "look, we want both of you, but trashing the other only makes McCain stronger, Obama side has done alot of trashing. The Monster comment, but she was out in just a few days. we need to talk to John Edwards, Howard Dean, Al Gore, and ask them to slow each of their rolls and stop this fighting and get back to talk about the issues. Trash talking is going to kill us, ON both sides, no one from the GOP should EVEN have a CHANCE for being the president but every day we start looking at the end of this as McCain winning I am sorry to say BOTH of them are causing the fall of this party.

Originally posted to red states blues on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 10:41 PM PDT.

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  •  Both sides are saying crap like this (1+ / 0-)
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    Read the diaries.  The throbbing and sobbing is getting intense as the hysteria grows.  the general public is beginning to notice and they are laughing about it.

    •  no they're not (1+ / 0-)
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      shoshaku jushaku

      Obama isn't the one attempting to completely tear down the party from every angle in order to get the nomination, from subverting party rules to seat disqualified delegates from unfair - noncompetitive elections, to having her donors blackmail the DNC.
      Obama's run a competitive but fair campaign. NAME one rule he's broken or attempted to subvert in this primary process!?
        anyone who supports HRC at this point is apparently able to completely ignore logic and reason. YOU folk are bringing down the party and i think its damn sad.
        do what you want. Vote Hillary "because we're tired of republicans having all the dumb"

      "Charlie don't SURF!"

      by billydanielus on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 01:34:12 AM PDT

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  •  It one thing for voters to be fustrated (2+ / 0-)
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    praenomen, jedennis
    It another for high power donors to try to influence the election. I hope Obama cause them out as a special interest group.
    •  I think the netroots... (0+ / 0-)

      funding of the difference of funds withdrawn or threatened to be withdrawn by the DNC donors is the way to combat this...not by complaining

      Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

      by dvogel001 on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 05:12:05 AM PDT

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  •  Let them do it (7+ / 0-)

    We don't need their money if they are going to be that way.  

    •  Maybe they should just reinvest it in BS or (0+ / 0-)

      JP Morgan or whatever the new holding company will be called.

      "The fact which the politician faces is merely that there is less honor among thieves than was supposed, and not the fact that they are thieves." Thoreau

      by shigeru on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 11:05:29 PM PDT

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    •  we already don't need it (0+ / 0-)

      look at what Obama's already done. they sound like Ferraro scolding Axelrod last week. we don't need em. help if they want, but they'll probably need help getting up to speed, as the game has quite obviously already changed.

  •  Sen. Clinton isn't threatening to take her ball (3+ / 0-)
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    praenomen, jedennis, CrustyPolemicist

    and go home. She's saying if she doesn't win the nomination, the ball field gets paved over to build overpriced condos.

    (0 / 0), (0 / 0), it's off to kos I go, with a..

    by doorguy on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 11:04:08 PM PDT

    •  Actually, (0+ / 0-)

      what I think she is saying is that Obama is more likely to lose than her...which is debatable but plausable...all of the Obama supporters talk about coattails while many of the reality based Kossacks wonder if Obama will in fact win the GE

      Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

      by dvogel001 on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 05:14:07 AM PDT

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  •  what is so encouraging, (1+ / 0-)
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    is that from the very way his campaigned is organized, to how it's funded, to who, and how many are driving it, it's clearer everyday that the Clintons are playing the old game. So they can keep their ball. we don't need it.

    We don't need big money donors. Obama's been doing better than anyone ever before with mostly small donations, we don't need $1000 a plate dinners. Clinton folks can take their ball and... well, you know.

  •  Let's SHOW them (1+ / 0-)
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    that Obama has changed the game. Presidential candidates and political parties no longer need to be held hostage to special interest fatcats and their checkbooks.

    Donate $XX.01 to the DNC.

    I'm in for $50.01.

    We have the power.

    Yes we can!

  •  The dollar's not worth anything, so what does it (0+ / 0-)

    matter?  Besides, Florida needs to spend the money on repairing their political and legal system; it's corrupt through and through.  Oh, and Rush Limbaugh lives there, so what can you say about a state that has him for a resident.

  •  Get real (0+ / 0-)

    Donors and voters on both sides are doing this. Read the diaries. There are plenty of the small donation givers saying if Obama doesn't win they'll just not vote, mainly the new, college kids.

    •  I think you got the reason wrong (0+ / 0-)

      it isn't that Obama lost, it's how he would lose either by SD's voting in Clinton or by the racist and belittling attacks against one of her one, has made alot of them sick. I does me too but I have gotten a stomach for it a few Clinton1.

      "we think about it, we talk about, we dream about, all the time because we are afraid that the world will implode on it's on evil nature otherwise"

      by red states blues on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 07:47:57 AM PDT

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  •  Why is their money being returned? (0+ / 0-)
    If there were only a subset of Democrats these fat cats wanted to help, why not donate to that subset rather than the DNC as a whole?  

    The "C" in DNC does not stand for Clinton.

    •  Because they are demanding... (0+ / 0-)

      that it be returned and these are people who have given hundreds of thousands of dollars to the DNC year after year and support many other soft-dollar funds as well

      Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

      by dvogel001 on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 05:15:55 AM PDT

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  •  Only to be expected, (0+ / 0-)

    These guys have been using their money to influence politicians for generations.  They don't like the way the wind is blowing because too many "regular" people are getting involved.  Let them take their toys and go home, lots of people are standing on the sidelines waiting for a chance to play.

    Not all who wander are lost. J.R.R. Tolkien

    by temptxan on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 05:27:26 AM PDT

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