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Think Progress noted again, on Sunday, that John McCain continues to repeat false statements about Iraq.

It was al-Sadr that declared the ceasefire, not Maliki. ... With respect, I don’t think Sadr would have declared the ceasefire if he thought he was winning. Most times in history, military engagements, the winning side doesn’t declare the ceasefire. The second point is, overall, the Iraqi military performed pretty well. ... The military is functioning very effectively.

Except al-Sadr didn't declare the ceasefire; the Maliki government brokered it.

This is after fundamentally and repeatedly "misstating" -- i.e. getting flat wrong -- basic facts about the dynamic between Iraq, Iran, and al Qaeda, and gets to the heart a certain press dynamic that I think is becoming more and more apparent as this race goes on: aside from places like Think Progress, Media Matters and the like, has McCain got any substantial coverage, anywhere, detailing how something he said was "false"?

I'm all for a harsh level of scrutiny for the candidates, both Democrats and the Republicans; it's the entire point of the press. An informed electorate cannot exist without it. But increasingly, it seems that McCain is getting a very Bush-like free pass, when it comes to his fabrications.


McCain has a history of false statements, with regards to Iraq. But when McCain says something obviously false -- about Iraq, or Iran, about this cease fire, etc. -- it's at worst labeled by reporters as a "gaffe".  A "gaffe" because he's just 'misspeaking', or 'spinning', or 'misremembered', or, let's say, 'is not fully aware of the facts involved'.

It's very Bushlike, in terms of the media just doesn't expect him not to say false things, especially on his self-declared strong point, foreign policy. Bush could say false things throughout his campaign and presidency because he was considered, let's be honest, dumb as a post. It was expected that he didn't understand some of the things he was saying -- or his blatantly false statements were pointed to as perfectly acceptable political spin, evidence of a laudable "tightly controlled message", by the White House, and at worst looked upon with little knowing smirks by the press corps covering them.

Obama would be squashed for saying such transparently false things -- for getting things as flagrantly wrong, about basic aspects of foreign policy, as McCain does on a repeated basis. If Obama did it, it'd be damning evidence of inexperience -- a similar "gaffe" would set the narrative for the rest of the campaign. Clinton's being cut to ribbons over apparent falsehoods on her part -- the sniper thing is still going strong and is presumed, much in the same dynamic as the Gore campaign coverage, to be a definitive measure of her character. (At least in her case, the things she's being hammered for saying are at least usually things she actually said, as opposed to things reporters or right-wing pundits imagined she said.)

But with McCain, his campaign trail misrepresentations are covered by places like Think Progress, but those now-frequent falsehoods aren't defining the character of the man, in the papers and on the networks. Even though (or perhaps because?) his statements are blatant denials of actual current world facts, it hardly seems to tarnish his image.

Eyebrow-raising, but not entirely surprising. As I said, it seems very similar to the treatment Bush has received the past eight years.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:30 AM PDT.

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  •  All the Chuck Todds and people (18+ / 0-)

    who say he can do this because he has bank or something need to go away. I emailed todd to complain about his excusing of outrageous ignorance which is dangerous.

    Sorry I have to run to the Senate floor to abolish torture.

    by bten on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:33:53 AM PDT

  •  It's a miracle (8+ / 0-)

    that McCain gets anything right. He's clearly confused about the situation in Iraq if he thinks that ANY military solution is possible.

    I don't mind straight people as long as they act gay in public.

    by internationaljock on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:34:10 AM PDT

    •  That General on t.v. today did the same thing. (0+ / 0-)

      A briefing that proves constant improvement.

      Ignores the Iraq Infant Mortality Rate.

      Ignores refugees.

      Ignores ethnic cleansing.

      Denies pretty much every bloody fact.

      Dixie Chicks, Amy Winehouse, Imus, and Rev. Wright. Overcome our evil with good.

      by vets74 on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 12:29:06 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  well we'll call it a lie (4+ / 0-)

    the lamo-O press be damned with their "gaffe"

    "You may be on the right track, but if you sit still, you'll get run over" Will Rogers

    by gaspare on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:34:16 AM PDT

    •  I wouldn't worry (5+ / 0-)

      too much.  If we can ever get ourselves a candidate and extricate ourselves from this endless primary, we can start hammering McCain on his frequent "gaffe's".  This stuff will all come back in the General.  In the meantime let him continue to think he's getting away with it and he'll keep putting his foot in his mouth.

      ...honor is a harder master than the law. It cannot compromise for less than 100 cents on the dollar and its debts never outlaw. - Mark Twain, a Biography

      by billd on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:41:31 AM PDT

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      •  "This stuff will all come back in the General." (8+ / 0-)

        I wouldn't count on it. Hunter's point seems to be that the Media, especially TV, are giving McCain a free pass and will no doubt continue to do so during the GE campaign. Compare this to how they treated John Edwards, continually NOT covering him at all or misrepresenting his positions. I believe it's safe to say that the media (big corporations), not the voters, pushed Edwards out of the race as early as possible because they couldn't tolerate such an up front and vocal condemnation of corporate power. Let's watch and see their tactics when it comes to Nominee Obama. I'm sure we will be screaming foul over here in our little corner.

        "That story is not worth the paper it's rotten on."--Dorothy Parker

        by martyc35 on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:54:54 AM PDT

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    •  I Don't Understand ... (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      gaspare, vets74

      how one candidate's continuing verbal miscues and gaffes are politely excused. Why the hell shouldn't how well one's mind functions stand as a test for one of the essential qualities of a president?

      Who's gonna answer the 3 a.m. call? I'll take the person who can quickly comprehend and process facts, recall earlier discussions, engage and encourage dissenting views, and so on.

      This notion of the president as a romantic, plain-spoken (read, idiotic) figure that the public wants to have a beer with seriously needs to be retired.

  •  Oh no! A new song by the McCain girls! .. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    vets74

    "Blame it on McCain"

    http://fr.youtube.com/...

  •  what is 'choosing to succeed?' (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Chi, newjeffct, Pangloss

    i need a definition of success and an estimate of its possibility.

  •  Thank goodness we have a LIBERAL media... (15+ / 0-)

    in the U.S.  God only knows how favorable the MSM would be to McCain if it were conservative ;-)

    "Some men see things as they are and say 'Why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'I need to quit drinking!'" - Greasy Grant

    by Greasy Grant on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:35:04 AM PDT

  •  McCains Double Talk With Lobbyists On The Side (7+ / 0-)

    Express has gotten a royal pass by the MSM. They dont want to upset him, he has a short fuse and its too damn old to be president. Bad combination.

    Obama '08 YES WE CAN
    God Bless America. God Damn George Bush

    by DFutureIsNow on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:35:39 AM PDT

  •  That's because we don't have a FOXNEWS (6+ / 0-)

    covering this over and over and over--like they would if Obama said something stupid like that.

    The Seminole Democrat
    A blue voice calling from the deep red

    by SemDem on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:35:53 AM PDT

  •  And the Straight Talk Express keeps (2+ / 0-)
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    chugging along...

  •  Wrong from the Start: 5 Years of McCain on Iraq (4+ / 0-)
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    Chi, wishingwell, martyc35, Jeff Y

    For a five-year catalog of McCain's erroneous statements on Iraq, see:
    "Forever Wrong: Five Years of John McCain on Iraq."

    For the details on John McCain confusing friend and foe in Iraq, see:
    "Four Strikes and You're Out: McCain on Al Qaeda and Iran."

  •  Get ready for a slough of misstatements (2+ / 0-)
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    martyc35, ER Doc

    After all misstatements should be grouped in a slough when talking about a morass.

    Bottom line is we continue to misplay al Sadr and going back to Bremer's administration, we have made a hash of recruiting the nationalists among the Shia'.

    Now the Iranians are starting more centrifuges get ready for more hysteria. At this point GWB is frightening the Israeli hardliners, hard to believe as it is. They are finally realizing how dangerous these neocons can be.

    •  And Douglas Feith (4+ / 0-)
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      is getting two, not one, interviews on NPR's Morning Edition to explain how his being wrong on everything about invading Iraq was really right on everything. How to wake up puking.

      "That story is not worth the paper it's rotten on."--Dorothy Parker

      by martyc35 on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:02:31 AM PDT

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      •  But he TRIED to tell them (2+ / 0-)
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        martyc35, vets74

        and nobody listened to him

        "We *can* go back to the Dark Ages! The crust of learning and good manners and tolerance is so thin!" -- Sinclair Lewis

        by Nespolo on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:11:09 AM PDT

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        •  No-no-no. Feith's dad was a founder of Likud. (1+ / 0-)
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          martyc35

          He has dual citizenship.

          Getting America into a war in Iraq was Feith's game -- along with Netanyahu's other buddies Perle and that crook demeaned World Bank -- beginning in 1995/1996.

          They wrote it up as "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Defense of the Realm."

          "The Realm" =NOT= America.

          BTW: Perle was still getting $500,000 a year under the table WHILE working for Bush at the Pentagon.

          He got demoted for that. Bush is so forgiving....

          Dixie Chicks, Amy Winehouse, Imus, and Rev. Wright. Overcome our evil with good.

          by vets74 on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 12:36:10 PM PDT

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  •  McCain Is Playing To His Base (2+ / 0-)
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    fight2bfree, ER Doc

    He can lie and make as many misstatements as he likes, no-one on the right is going to notice.

  •  Our nominee will have to hit him on that stuff (5+ / 0-)

    ...for the press to notice.

    Too bad Hillary won't get out so Obama can focus all of his energy on McCain like he needs to.

    In the meantime, it would be nice if someone like Votevets did an add and went after McCain on these things.

  •  Mr Dazed and Confused. (9+ / 0-)

    McCain is the media's darling. No matter how he fumbles, stumbles and messes up, it's all okay with the MSM.

    McCain is also as nasty as hell and has a mouth that is disgusting. I'm sure most of us have read how he called his wife a word that rhymes with 'hunt'..but it's okay, because he was only joking.

    And let's not forget the rotten joke he told about young Chelsea.

    McCain seems to have a great opinion of women.

    This is the man that Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton think so highly of too...'cause he passed that ole CinC test and he LOVES his country.

    King of makes you wonder about their judgement, doesn't it?

    You are a child of the universe; no less than the trees and the stars... Desiderata

    by byteb on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:39:32 AM PDT

  •  McCains Been Soft To Petraeus Embracing Bushs (1+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell

    Failed Policies. Not A Maverick More Like Moby Dick. A Huge And Verifiable Fraud!

    Obama '08 YES WE CAN
    God Bless America. God Damn George Bush

    by DFutureIsNow on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:39:51 AM PDT

  •  He's sleep deprived. (2+ / 0-)
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    ER Doc, vets74

    He needs a nap every two hours before eating the Senior Special at Denny's and going to bed at 8:30.  Any 72-year old would say crazy things under those conditions.

    "That's what killed Dennis Day-- contempt for the audience." -- Phil Hartman as Frank Sinatra

    by Pangloss on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:39:56 AM PDT

    •  Will he be having... (2+ / 0-)
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      wishingwell, ER Doc

      early-bird state dinners?  "Get in your tux and get a move on...McCain is serving dinner at 4:30..."

      When you aim for the lowest common denominator, you rarely miss your mark... Remember, it's only a few dollars away from eccentric to insane...

      by wry twinger on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:08:56 AM PDT

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      •  like the Early Bird special (2+ / 0-)
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        Moody Loner, vets74

        reminds me of that Seinfeld episode where Jerry refused to go to the Early Bird Special saying...

        I will not force feed myself a steak at 4:30.

        His mother:

        It is unheard of to eat dinner after 6:00.

        I can see it now if, Heaven forbid, McBush is President. All official dinners at 4:30 and if the Queen of England is late, well McCain will say:

        Too Bad Queenie, dinner was at 4:30 sharp. No Dinner for You!

        This is the Silly Season of Politics-Barack Obama

        by wishingwell on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:27:35 AM PDT

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  •  Debates (4+ / 0-)
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    Pangloss, ER Doc, vets74, ibinreno

    I am looking forward to debates between Obama and McCain, with memories of Carter-Ford.

    •  It's going to be ugly (4+ / 0-)
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      wishingwell, ER Doc, vets74, ibinreno

      Any Obama/McCain debate will be painful to watch.  If they allow Obama to question McCain (or vice versa), then they'll have to precede the program with a "might not be suitable for children" warning.  It'll be like watching someone field-dress an elk.

      Don't be a DON'T-DO... Be a DO-DO!

      by godwhataklutz on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:00:55 AM PDT

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    •  McCain will ask for a 3pm debate and none after 9 (1+ / 0-)
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      vets74

      too late...if he is President ( cough, cough, just kill me now please ) .....State of the Union Address will be at 8am sharp. Be there on time or face the firing squad.

      This is the Silly Season of Politics-Barack Obama

      by wishingwell on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:30:05 AM PDT

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  •  Obama would be squashed? (1+ / 0-)
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    ER Doc

    on what planet?  And it sure sounded like al-Sadr delared the cease-fire.  The media I heard madeit seem that al-Sadr initiated the process.

  •  Senator John "Straight Talk Express" McCain (3+ / 0-)
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    newjeffct, wishingwell, bartcopfan

    He's talking straight out of his ass.

    The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason. -Benjamin Franklin

    by HairyTrueMan on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:42:03 AM PDT

  •  McCain's Gaffes (0+ / 0-)

    You have hit the nail on the head, except that there is no nail.  When in the flow information between candidates to media to populace has there been fairness?  A candidate like Obama can only succeed in spite of fairness, not only if he Receives fairness.  Much of my vote for Obama is based on him surviving, even thriving in the unfair media circus he is participating in.  Do you think that if he somehow wins the presidency that the media will flip a switch and become fair for him?  Not a chance.  

    I believe in Obama because he can thrive in this unfair world where Hillary and Bill attack him on all fronts, and John McCain is loose with words.  If people like you keep complaining about it, and keep posting gripes about it, Obama supporters are creating an 'out' that he should not need.  Damn the media, the people are close enough to Obama's real words and McCain's real inconsistencies to not be fooled.  Preach to me about circumventing the media's bias and come up with solutions to this inequity.  Stop identifying what is a misstatement and what is is lie by McCain.  Who cares what is reported about what he says?  I care about what he actually said.

    Move on to a higher plane of political existence with me brothers and sisters.  Use the power of the dailykos and so many others to be informative and educated about issues.  Do not waste cyberspace on declaring the media unfair.  It just makes you look meek.

  •  What do we DO? (3+ / 0-)
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    akr nyc, newjeffct, wishingwell

    We can sit here and grouse about it all the way to November and John W. McCain's election to Bush's third term, or we can quit grousing and DO something about it.  We need to figure out how to get at the media.

    I suggest that we push our candidates to make the media relationship with McCain an issue in this campaign.  Obama and Clinton, and all of our senior Senate and Congress people need to take every opportunity that they're in front of the media to go on the attack and question the media people about why they give such an easy time to McCain.  That execrable Meredith Viera went after Obama this morning on the Today Show for Obama 'insulting' McCain over McCain's 100-years-in-Iraq comment.  Obama should've turned it right around on her and asked her why she isn't pressing McCain about his ridiculous, ill-informed, and contradictory statements on iraq, but of course, Obama was too much of a nice guy.

    No more Mr. Nice Guy.  Make media bias a central narrative in this campaign.

    •  where is loren michaels? (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      wishingwell, vets74

      the media seems to react when they become the national butt of the joke

      •  yes they certainly do, those SNL skits about (3+ / 0-)
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        newjeffct, vets74, ibinreno

        Hillary being treated badly by the press really got the media shook up.

        After Obama is the nominee, maybe SNL will stop being so pro Hillary and start going after McCain in skits, showing how he is the media darling now and how Obama was thrown under the bus by the media.

        I will have to give a little credit to their skit this past weekend, making fun of the Clintons and how they will keep fighting for the nomination even when Obama is in the White House.

        This is the Silly Season of Politics-Barack Obama

        by wishingwell on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:34:13 AM PDT

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    •  we do what we are already doing. (3+ / 0-)
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      EB4Dean, Eman, wishingwell

      The corporate media is fighting for relevancy just like Clinton-style politics is.  

      People are able to get a balanced view of the situation with just a few clicks.  The days of trusting a news broadcast is over, and has been for a little while now.    The way we consume information is changing, and TV may not have as large a role.

      They WILL back McCain, no amount of complaining is going to change that. We need to see the media for what it is, as part of the problem. They have NO INTEREST in changing the country.  In fact, they benefit from the status quo.

      We have to around the media, not through it.

  •  Squeaky Wheels (2+ / 0-)
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    Yes, the vestigial media treats McCain differently than Clinton or Obama (or any other politician for that matter). But until Clinton and Obama come out and directly blast the media for such favoritism and bias, nothing will be done about it. And Clinton has spent part of her time actually pushing McCanine's alleged foreign policy bona fides, which sort of goes right along with the media's (incorrect) portrayal of McCain, so why should the media not continue their love fest of him--even a Dem candidate agrees!! We have seen a couple occasions now of the candidates working the 'refs' when they thought the 'refs' were being unfair, and this had results. But Clinton, for some unknown reason, seems intent on supporting the media's warped view of McCain, and Obama apparently thinks (as far as I can tell), for some reason, that working the refs is somehow 'old school politics' (or something like that) and he has been quiet as a mouse on this topic. So, until the actual candidates make the media's treatment of McCain an actual issue (and now is the time to do so, prior to the general), the media will do nothing. It's true that the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and it is high time for both Clinton and Obama to let loose on this issue every chance they get.
    •  Exactly right (0+ / 0-)

      even a Dem candidate agrees!!

      It's a well-established, even necessary, piece of the "Dems in disarray" script, the Democrats that come running out to provide rhetorical rescue to right-wing Rubes.  "Even the liberal New Republic agrees..."  "Even former Democrat Party vice-presaidential candidate Joe Lieberman says..."  "Even Hillary Clinton acknowledges that John McCain would make a better commander-in-chief than Obama"

    •  yes as the Clintons praise McCain too (0+ / 0-)

      so maybe once Hillary is out and Obama is the nominee, at least we will not have Democrats out there on the cable news, praising McBush.

      This is the Silly Season of Politics-Barack Obama

      by wishingwell on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:36:36 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I believe he is right (0+ / 0-)

    in saying that Sadr did declare a ceasefire; he set out terms, but to my knowledge on one responded, and the story of government negotiators going to Iran has been pretty well debunked.

  •  LEAVE JOHNNY ALONE! (4+ / 0-)

    Sorry, just had to say it once.

    You're my kind of stupid.

    by SteamPunkX on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:44:45 AM PDT

  •  Patraeus confides that he wants to run for POTUS (4+ / 0-)

    http://www.independent.co.uk/...

    "The US commander in Iraq, General David Petraeus, expressed long-term interest in running for the US presidency when he was stationed in Baghdad, according to a senior Iraqi official who knew him at that time.

    Sabah Khadim, then a senior adviser at Iraq's Interior Ministry, says General Petraeus discussed with him his ambition when the general was head of training and recruitment of the Iraqi army in 2004-05.

    "I asked him if he was planning to run in 2008 and he said, 'No, that would be too soon'," Mr Khadim, who now lives in London, said."

    I think this should be a line of questioning at his hearings.

  •  But, but, but... (5+ / 0-)

    haven't you heard? Being wrong is charming, if you're a Republican. Facts? Dynamics? Knowledge? Pfft... egg-head stuff. What matters is how one feels, what one is, not what one knows.

    And with this concept we got the media's darling, its anointed Ordinary Guy, George Bush (an apt name for an inept man) into the White House. Whenever someone praises the ordinariness of a candidate, ask him this: You are ordinary. Would you be able to run the government? No? Then why are you so desirous of voting for someone like yourself? Is it the suicidal tendencies? Are you a lemming?

    Let's not get another Bush, please. We have enough trouble keeping this one from drooling in front of the cameras.

    Besides, it's easier for the media to fawn over a candidate and report about non-issues. Questioning one would take, oh, I don't know, at least some work and knowledge.

    Omne malum nascens facile opprimitur, inveteratum fit plerumque robustius. - Cicero

    by Dauphin on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:46:06 AM PDT

  •  McCain's "I was tortured" mantra is ... (6+ / 0-)

    ...I think, going to give him lots and lots of cover throughout the campaign. How can any decent, patriotic reporter be mean to somebody who spent those hellish years as a POW. Just because he occasionally gets things wrong. If you were tortured, Hunter, you would probably forget stuff, too. Give the man a break. Give him lots of breaks. Don't push him too hard or you're no better than the North Vietnamese thugs who held him captive.

    The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppose. - Frederick Douglass

    by Meteor Blades on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:48:22 AM PDT

    •  This was also discussed on AAR this morning, the (0+ / 0-)

      more McCain promotes and raises his service and captivity as an asset, the more the media should scrutinize and question his captivity be allowed to question his captivity.

      In essence, he can't have it both ways, say yes I'm a genuine war hero, BUT don't investigate or report on my captivity or treatment.

      It is the province of knowledge to speak. And it is the privilege of wisdom to listen. Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. US Jurist

      by Oliver W Holmes the 3rd on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:53:29 AM PDT

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    •  I think that's exactly right (5+ / 0-)

      I think that's exactly right, it's going to be very taboo to question McCain about his age and fitness.

      I was watching the new David Gregory show on MSNBC last night and some AA women journalist brought up McCain health reports and rumors that he suffers from PTSD and has seen a therapist, hinting it could explain to why he has occasional 'enraged outburts'.

      I have to say it made me feel uncomfortable to hear.

      But it scares me even more to think that he will be in the WH with the propensity to have these outbursts when making vital decisions.

      I can't see how any rational person would want to take that chance and vote for McCain.

      Not me. That's 100% for sure.

      It's not a sign of weakness to learn from a mistake. It's a sign of stupidity to keep doing the same things over and over without ever learning~Dave Dial

      by DAVE DIAL on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:01:40 AM PDT

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      •  It may be uncomfortable (0+ / 0-)

        but we're voting on who gets control of our armed forces (what's left of them) and the power to start a nuclear war. So, yes, his captivity and its effect on him becomes fair game.

        Besides, this might focus attention on the Iraq veterans whose PTSD is being ignored by this administration.

        It is not the business of the state to help its citizens get into heaven nor to save them from hell.

        by DanK Is Back on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:41:14 AM PDT

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      •  The problem with bringing up PTSD (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        brillig

        is ignoring vets with PTSD has been SOP for the US for years and now we have guys in the meatgrinder in Iraq and they will have to have some form of PTSD.
        Now might be a good time to push for more mental health coverage for our vets.

      •  Yup (1+ / 0-)
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        DAVE DIAL

        But it scares me even more to think that he will be in the WH with the propensity to have these outbursts when making vital decisions.

        I don't worry nearly as much about sleep-deprivation at 3AM as I do about enraged outbursts any time of day.

        Agree wholeheartedly with entlord's comment just downstream that this is a perfect time to push for better mental health coverage for veterans.

        Blue will always be my favorite color.

        by brillig on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:45:51 AM PDT

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    •  But how does McSame use it to justify (0+ / 0-)

      his own support for T-O-R-T-U-R-E?

  •  I heard on the Bill Press show this morning (2+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell, Pandoras Box

    from MoveOn, 10 things to know about McCain.

    10 things you should know about John McCain (but probably don't):

    It is the province of knowledge to speak. And it is the privilege of wisdom to listen. Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. US Jurist

    by Oliver W Holmes the 3rd on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:48:35 AM PDT

  •  The Press Is Obviously Not... (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    wishingwell, Luetta, Pandoras Box

    Going to Call McSame On Anyting...

    Obama should simply make very short quick SHARP statements of disagreement about the inaccuracy of McSame's statements on IRAQ the DAY that he makes them...

    Not Later... That Day... Embarrass the Press... If that is possible...

    An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile -- hoping it will eat him last.

    W. Churchhill

  •  When exactly does McCain get it right? n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  It's "fair and balanced" (3+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell, bartcopfan, Pandoras Box

    Democrats are expected to tell the truth, republicans can just make shit up. That we we the voters are able to "see" both sides of an issue.

    CHRISTIAN, n. One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. A. Bierce

    by irate on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:52:24 AM PDT

  •  McCain: Bullshit. Gulf War history anyone? (0+ / 0-)

    Most times in history, military engagements, the winning side doesn’t declare the ceasefire.

    Um.  Winning side declared.

    The incredible stupidity of the remark boggles my mind.

    The winning side is the one that really has the power to declare it--or to permit it.

    Sadr permitted this one.  

  •  keep calling McCain a "warmonger" (8+ / 0-)

    Ed Schultz called McCain a "warmonger" and refused to apologize.  He plans to continue calling him a "warmonger."  I think it should be repeated often and loudly.  Let him spend his time denying it.  

  •  The electronic press CNN/MSNBC included (2+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell, Pandoras Box

    Had their talking heads declaring that mcSame had "street cred" and could afford a gaffe or two. They cleary said that had it been Obama, he would have been crucified!
    What double standards!

  •  George W Bush has done such a tremendous job... (3+ / 0-)
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    Chi, wishingwell, EvasDad

    lowering our expectations that McCain presumes he can say just about anything and get away with it.

    Not this time, John.  America's hungry for change.

    Character is destiny. -- Heraclitus

    by BA BarackUS on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:53:40 AM PDT

  •  McCain is getting the GroupThink treatment (4+ / 0-)

    The diarist is correct when he compares the treatment McCain is getting to the treatment Bush received.  More precisely, it's similar to the treatment Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld received during the run-up to the Iraq Escapade.
    After a successful foray into Afghanistan, the press refused to believe that Bush&Co were Chock-Full-o-Shit (TM).  They took all the yellow-cake/aluminum-tubes crap as gospel and helped steer us into the current mess.
    For some reason, McCain has this same cred with the press, and, just as before, the press refuses to smell the stink whenever JohnBoy opens his pie-hole.

    Don't be a DON'T-DO... Be a DO-DO!

    by godwhataklutz on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:53:58 AM PDT

  •  we need to call out the media on this (1+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell

    Write letters to the editor to your local newspapers, call into any semi-friendly radio talk show, write to the local TV news channels, etc.

    anything will help.  If it starts making the rounds locally and regionally, it will hopefully trickle up.

    I'm not a member of an organized political party, I'm a Democrat - Will Rogers

    by newjeffct on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:55:35 AM PDT

  •  Gaffes got us here in the first place (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    newjeffct, wishingwell

    Someone who does not understand Iraq cannot be our next President.

  •  Once again, (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    ActivistGuy

    we lie bleeding in the road complaining about the injustice of the media.

    If only some prominent bloggers had the sense to take a proactive stance in regards to the Corporate monopoly on content, and thus on discourse, and thus on public attitudes, and thus on our political life, instead of being upset that--once again--the media is falsifying our collective lives, instead of being content with complaining about it all...

    Well,

    Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

    by Jim P on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:56:38 AM PDT

    •  I like the notion (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Jim P

      what would you suggest?

      ""What is objectionable, what is dangerous about extremists is not that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant." Robert F. Kennedy, 1964

      by Kairos on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:22:58 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Instead of frontpagers and popular (0+ / 0-)

        essayists pissing away our time on whining about how the media is screwing the public again...for how long?--over the length of at least one impeachment and now 3 presidential elections...

        They need to bring the spotlight onto the overarching political issue of our lifetime:

        Corporate monopoly on programming content, and how exactly to end it.

        The problem diagnosed and defined, we can then set about breaking up the monopoly and having the American people breaking into the content.

        Now there's a dozen things that come to my mind immediately. Everything from enforcing frequent public service spots "These are the tricks of debate, the methods of demagogs" and illustrating the same; to laws limiting companies to one media outlet in five markets, and no more; heavy taxation based on degree of consolidation, Eminent Domain challenges etc etc.

        But frankly the left blogosphere seems happy to continually jerk off over how unfair and unjust our media is. I really don't expect any players at DKos or other progressive [sic] sites to start the hard work of changing the central political reality we have been facing for decades:

        Corporate monopoly on programming content.

        What's doubly frustrating is the reality that the Media ranks lower than Bush or Congress in public approval. Practically every faction in the USA despises Corporate Media, and regards it as an enemy of the Public. This is a fruit ripe for the plucking. Still, outrage and disappointment is a much preferable set of responses to actually changing anything as far as the Nitwitroots is concerned.

        The reality remains...

        Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

        by Jim P on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:51:48 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  IOKIYAR isn't new anymore (2+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell, bartcopfan

    DOn't know why anyone expects anything different at this point from the "responsible, reputable press" which we are always harangued to trust absolutely and depend for our lives on hereabouts as opposed to the eeeeeevil lying sources like Truthout and antiwar.com.

  •  You know... (1+ / 0-)
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    I have real concerns about a president who consistently "misspeaks." Imagine what would happen if he accidentally told the Chinese he was about to launch nuclear tipped cruise missles and ICBMs when what he really meant to say was "nice tie?"

    Wouldn't it be better if the leader of the free world said what s/he means and means what s/he says?

    So many impeachable offenses, so little time... -6.0 -5.33

    by Cali Techie on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:01:14 AM PDT

  •  Kate Seelye must be smiling. (0+ / 0-)
  •  New Book About The LAME Press and McCain (2+ / 0-)

    Free Ride: John McCain and the Media (Paperback)
    David Brock and Paul Waldman of Media Matters

    http://www.buzzflash.com/...

    Oh, how the mainstream media loves John McCain:

    “The press loves McCain. We're his base.”
    —Chris Matthews, MSNBC

    “John McCain is clearly the Washington media's favorite Republican.”
    —Brit Hume, Fox News

    “The media, of course, loves John McCain because it seems like he's back to the old John McCain.”
    —David Shuster, MSNBC

    “I think every last one of them [reporters] would move to Massachusetts and marry John McCain if they could.”
    —Joe Scarborough, MSNBC

    Beam me up Scotty - There's No Intelligent Life Down Here!!

    by hopalong on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:05:30 AM PDT

  •  Obama Has Criticized Empire (1+ / 0-)
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    audiored

    which is the core mission of the United States and the media.

    All McCain's misstatements are trivial in the sense that either way they support the march of empire.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:08:19 AM PDT

  •  Dan Abrams keeps mentioning this (4+ / 0-)

    He has a segment in his show where he talks each night about the things McCain does and says that the main stream press isn't picking up.  I'm surprised more isn't being made of all the misstatements / misunderstandings that McCain has been party to, since Abrams shows them every night.

  •  McCain talks out his ass..! (1+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell

       So it doesn't matter whatever he says it's bullsh^t..he lives in the cesspool of his own fantastical imaginings..!

       I think McCain has the George Armstrong Custard complex..!

    "Ours is not a system based upon trust, but one of suspicion.." Thomas Jefferson

    by TJ Colatrella on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:12:55 AM PDT

  •  It's time to break-up the media conglomerates (3+ / 0-)
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    and to kick the so-called journalism professors across America in the proverbial ass.  If the journalists were actually taught to be more than just stenographers then we'd only have the ownership problem to deal with, but here, we have problems at both ends with a media that is owned by too few people who simply don't care about selling information so much as they care about selling infotainment.

    Don't be so afraid of dying that you forget to live.

    by LionelEHutz on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:13:41 AM PDT

  •  Lovely to Watch Lindsey Graham at the Hearing (2+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell, ibinreno

    From his opening comments to Patraeous, you would think Lindsay Graham was going to get, walk over to the witness table and give the general a big wet one.

    Other than this Graham's line of question can only be described as idiotic and simple-minded.

  •  Read what the Republicans Wish You Wouldn’t (0+ / 0-)

    The Daily Flipper by greenchiledem The Daily Flipper diary number 1 debuted yesterday. I will be writing the Flipper as a continuing series of summary news reports on Sen. McCain. The news comes from the DNC research department.

    Please take a look and watch for the next issue.

  •  Ya your right, but consider (2+ / 0-)
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    some reasons behind it. This only occurred to me yesterday.

    I read this article, "How McCain Stays Popular Despite Supporting Disastrous Wars".

    It suggests that what McNut is selling is the vision of Camelot. America the brave, righteous and virtuous.

    They want to know: Will the good guys -- that's us, America -- win the day? Do we still have the ability and the will to succeed? Is America still, as the motto behind McCain in that latest TV ad claims, "a nation of courage"?

    I think its dead-on. The media wants to promote McCain because the message he brings sells like hotcakes.

    It's about a particular kind of good: America as the embodiment of hope for Iraq, the Middle East, and the whole world; America freeing the world of the old chains of despotism, opening the way to a new, fresh life of democracy and abundance, American-style. It's about America as the land of the frontier, the nation of endless fresh starts, of perpetual youth and -- above all -- of innocence.

    And what American wouldn't want that?

    The corporate media has a stake in this. They helped sell the Iraq war, they limit and manipulate coverage in ways to make it appear there is this "good vs evil" simplicity to the world, and Americans buy it because they want to believe it, or are too challenged, or lazy, to discern the nuances. To sell anything else is to admit they've been selling garbage. McCAin represents a vindication of sorts for the lies they have been peddling, his message is their message. The two are consonant.

    Pointing out McCain's incompetence doesn't sell, virtue does.

    ""What is objectionable, what is dangerous about extremists is not that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant." Robert F. Kennedy, 1964

    by Kairos on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:18:46 AM PDT

    •  I think there is something (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      wishingwell

      to this idea.

      There is this very dangerous, antidemocratic ideology that what America (read the US Government) does is always righteous and good.

      McCain peddles this ideology.  As you say 'America the brave, righteous and virtuous.'

      Obama on the other hand gets dangerously close to asserting that America can be less than brave, righteous or virtuous.

      •  He'll get the nuance vote. (0+ / 0-)

        He can go above the unthinking and get the people who would like to make it better.

        That impulse alone can sort out the ultimate vote.

        McCain says, "Let's go back to the glories of the past."

        Obama says, "Let's go beyond the glories of the past."

        WereBear
        Reality always wins.
        the way of cats

        by WereBear on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 06:35:01 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Where to find the most honest news?? (1+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell

    So, what station, website, paper, ect. ACTUALLY has fair news coverage?

    Should fair even be expected?

    I personally like my news a little biased, with a little opinion, but sometimes you just want facts. I don't even know where to look.

  •  McCain's false statements (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    wishingwell, kefauver

    should be covered on a daily by the Democratic candidates, and identified as false.

  •  For whatever it may be worth (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    wishingwell

    things have at least the potential to be different now than they were eight years ago when Bush was making the same stupid mistakes and (mostly) getting away with them.

    For one thing, there is the blogosphere, which did not really exist back then. And the traditional media do pay attention to them, if only belatedly. Plus, Fox Noise, the GOP mouthpiece, is no longer watched or believed as much as it used to be. MSNBC is catching up and even overtaking them, and with Olberman and on occasion His Tweetiness cutting McCain no slack, the word will get around.

    But most importantly is that the Democratic party under Dean, and both Clinton and Obama, are hammering away at McCain's sloppiness. If they do this enough, the press will be forced to report it.

    My main hope is that Obama - whom I hope as well as expect will be the nominee - will wipe the floor with McCain in the debates, that being one forum that the press has to cover live, and the one venue most watched by the country. Hillary might end up being more collegial, but my sense is that Obama is fed up with McCain's lack of knowledge of or interest in reality.

    Add to which, McCain does not like Obama, and is likely to lose his temper when challenged on the debate stage by him. The fireworks from that confrontation will, again, force the press to take note of McCain's falsehoods.

    Or so I hope.

    It is not the business of the state to help its citizens get into heaven nor to save them from hell.

    by DanK Is Back on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:36:31 AM PDT

  •  Here is our basic problem... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    wishingwell

    ...and it is quite simple. The press trusts McCain. The press does not trust us. There is nothing we can do about it. Case closed.

  •  What's McCain Going To Do When... (0+ / 0-)

    he makes another gaffe at the hearing and GI Joe is not sitting next to him to clarify things up???

    Whoops!!

    Beam me up Scotty - There's No Intelligent Life Down Here!!

    by hopalong on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:42:50 AM PDT

  •  Keith Olbermann was the only person (0+ / 0-)

    that made note of McCain's VFW speech getting interrupted by BREAKING NEWS about Multiple Rockets getting into the GREEN ZONE and killing American Soldiers.

    Yeah, Johnny Boy, everything is going r-e-a-l   s-m-o-o-t-h   over there!!!

    Beam me up Scotty - There's No Intelligent Life Down Here!!

    by hopalong on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:52:43 AM PDT

  •  Lieberman embraced Clinton and Obama in 2004 (1+ / 0-)
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    ibinreno

    Lieberman eagerly accepted Obama and Clinton's support during his primary campaign and praised both of them.

    Clearly he changed, not the Democratic Party.  Lieberman is simply reacting to his being rejected by his own party in the Connecticut's primary.

    Interestingly, both Clinton and Obama were bitterly criticized on DailyKos for supporting Lieberman during the primary.

    Now DailyKos is on Obamatime and Lieberman claims his once embraced supporters, Clinton and Obama, have "changed".

    Key to Obama win in 2008 is electing enough Democratic Senators (and House Representatives) to make Lieberman  no longer necessary to a Democratic majority.

    I think it is clear that Obama will have much broader and stronger political coattails than the divisive Clinton.

  •  Guardian Newspaper Knows More (0+ / 0-)

    about our plans for Iraq then the US Newspapers and tv "News".

    Secret US plan for military future in Iraq

    Beam me up Scotty - There's No Intelligent Life Down Here!!

    by hopalong on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:01:29 AM PDT

    •  RIght now, independent contractors are (0+ / 0-)

      busy constructing buildings and such for US military in Basra, so we can count on any drawdown from Afghanistan being redeployed to Basra. Now we know why they want to slow down the drawdown; GWB doesn't trust those Iraqis with his oil.

  •  McCain the Loon (0+ / 0-)

    He said the Iraqi military was performing quite "effectively?" They were getting slaughtered two weeks ago. It was so bad they had to call in US air strikes for back up. McCain is either a big fat liar or just ignorant.

    Beltway Wisdom is an Oxymoron.

    by kefauver on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:04:50 AM PDT

    •  Mayhaps (0+ / 0-)

      a little from column A and a little from column B?  I think there's room for them not being mutually exclusive.  If he says it often enough, the truth becomes an ugly thing that we keep harassing an old man with.

  •  Traditional media? I like to call 'em... (2+ / 0-)
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    owlbear1, bartcopfan

    the CORPORATE media. They aren't in the news delivery business; they're in the opinion-shaping business. So of course they hate anyone who gets between them and the docile public. Like bloggers.

    License they mean, when they cry Liberty! - Milton

    by Rocco Gibralter on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:06:41 AM PDT

  •  Good questions for McCain (0+ / 0-)

    I posted a diary that is simply a list of questions that the press should ask McCain.  It's meant to be a serious exercise in writing out what the press should be doing, in the hopes that some of these questions might be actually asked.  Questions like: How many more deaths and how long would it be worth it to McCain to "win" in Iraq?  If you'd like to add some questions or suggest better phrasings, check it out.  

    quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur

    by johnlocke23 on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:09:07 AM PDT

  •  There's a rel clue in here (0+ / 0-)

    about their modus operendi.
        Republicans like to run idiots for office because the know the sycophant media will run interference for said idiots. Why not? It's worked for years for them.

    "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction." --Blaise Pascal

    by lyvwyr101 on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:15:23 AM PDT

  •  1 brigade a month = "DOABLE" (0+ / 0-)

    I love this from Thomas Rick's liveblogging on WaPo of the Petreaus/Crocker hearings:

    The affable Sen. Lindsey Graham is pals with Sen. McCain. He also is politically very astute. He just tried to set up Petraeus to give McCain a useful sound bite for the presidential campaign. What would be the military consequences of pulling out one brigade a month, starting in January? (If I recall correctly, Sen. Obama has mentioned this as a possible approach in Iraq.)

    But Petraeus wouldn't play. "It clearly would depend on the conditions at that time," said the general. "That might be doable."

    Civil-military crisis averted.

    I can't wait to see The Maverick Guy dance around that one...

    The people who brought you the War on Terror are the same ones who brought you the War on Drugs.

    by Terminus on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:29:15 AM PDT

  •  Complaining (0+ / 0-)

    Complaining about McCain and his statements is just fine. But it isn't going help the Dem's. What is needed is an end to the strife between Clinton and Obama so the Dem. nominee can be chosen. Once thats done then we should focus on McCain. While Obama and Clinton dilly dally the chances of the Dem's winning this election go down and down. Read this and you'll understand.

    Ryan
    US Politics Content Editor
    www.Hubdub.com

  •  In the Armed Service Committee hearings today... (0+ / 0-)

    ... McCain got it wrong again.  He again called al Qaeda a Shia group, then "or Sunni, or whatever" (I believe this is literally what he said - but I'm going from memory).

    This guy is so hopelessly inadequate to the task it isn't even funny.  I guess that makes him perfect for continuing the Bush legacy.

    It's the STUPIDITY, stupid!

    by arktan on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 11:30:31 AM PDT

  •  Then it's up to us (0+ / 0-)

    [I]t seems very similar to the treatment Bush has received the past eight years.

    It is up to us -- all of us -- to ensure that the word gets out loudly and often about McCain's many faux pas. He regularly fails to grasp fairly substantive aspects of the Iraq war, al Queda, and Afghanistan, let alone his own admission of ignorance when it comes to economic and domestic policy.

    So when I say "up to us" I mean starting with the head of the ticket blasting away at McCain -- no surrogates, please -- talking heads need not apply. The Democratic Party needs the presidential candidate to put McCain on the defensive on these missteps. Let's define McCain now as the flip-flopping, war-mongering fool that he is before he or the media continues to spin the narrative and define him as the true agent for change! (You know they'll try before this is all said and done ... when they finally start believing the polls in July and August.) We've allowed them to do enough of that already.

    Maverick, indeed!

    McCain: "I think that clearly my fortunes have a lot to do with what's happening in Iraq" ... Buh-bye!

    by RevJoe on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 12:25:12 PM PDT

  •  I'd say they're defining... (0+ / 0-)

    ...but those now-frequent falsehoods aren't defining the character of the man, in the papers and on the networks.

    ...the character of the papers and the networks.

  •  McCain's "misspeak" earlier today (4-8-0) (0+ / 0-)

    I can't believe all of the free passes that McCain is getting in regards to foreign policy. He stated earlier today that Al Queda is a shi'ite extremist organization. Here's the video. Ridiculous.

    http://campaigncircus.com/...

  •  The fundamental issue with the Media is... (0+ / 0-)

    They are not out to tell the truth, they are out for ratings so they can charge more for commercial time.  News is not news anymore, its "Newsertainment."  Its the equivilent of the ever so successful Monday Night Football formula.  Everyone has a team, everyone roots for their side, the game is played out, the best games are close ones, and while you are there you spend $200 on tickets, beer, hotdogs, and logo laden t-shirts.

    If that's true, we can be assured the media will try to keep the game as close scoring as possible even if it means ignoring the occasional fumble that would normally end the game by halftime.

    Its easy to understand conservatives just pretend you are in a Tom Clancy novel/videogame.

    by Double E on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 05:46:41 PM PDT

  •  A friend said recently, "McCain is really dumb!" (0+ / 0-)

    I had never thought of him in that context, but I too think he's really dumb. I don't think he knows the difference between Shiites and Sunnis.  When will the press ask for HIS tax returns and stop saying he's made them public when it ain't so?  The Repugs have quite a candidate with strong background in foreign policy and defense? God help us all.

    I'm looking forward to the race whenever the Dems get a nominee.

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