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When you consider the competition Charles Krauthammer was up against, penning the most dishonest op-ed in today's Washington Post was no mean feat, but he did it.  

It's amazing really.  In an attempt to make the case that Barack Obama's "character and cultural attitudes" somehow disqualify him from the presidency, Krauthammer distorts (Jeremiah Wright as an inciter of racial hatred), uses code words (jihad and tribal), lies (political career "launched" in William Ayers home), and projects ("self-congratulatory fatuousness"), which of course says quite a lot about Krauthammer's own character and cultural attitudes, not to mention his journalistic ethics.  

But if Krauthammer wants to pretend that he's concerned about "the character and beliefs of a man who would be president," perhaps he can use his national platform to delve into the character and beliefs of John McCain.  A few potential areas of concern:

  • McCain seeking out and embracing endorsements from "men of God" who accuses the Catholic Church of conspiring with Hitler, who believe that Hurricane Katrina was a just punishment for the people of New Orleans, and who believe that our nation's destiny is to destroy the "false religion" of Islam.  Kind of trumps what Reverend Wright had to say, doesn't it?
  • McCain, who in his official capacity as a Senator, protected his Republican brethren from being exposed in the Jack Abramoff scandal.  
  • McCain's anger management issues that have led to his trying to have women fired for crossing him and spewing profanities at colleagues who disagree with him.  A temper so vile that Republican Senator Thad Cochran once said that the thought of McCain as President "sends a cold chill down my spine."
  • McCain admitting to multiple affairs while married to his first wife, finally divorcing her to marry his current, millionaire wife who is 18 years his junior, which transformed him from a run of the mill adulterer into a cradle-robbing gigolo.

Any character issues there that you want to talk about, Chuck?  I didn't think so.      

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:35 AM PDT.

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  •  Charles K, (20+ / 0-)

    Neocon piece of shit, FOX"News" All-Star.

    Expect anything less?

    This message has not been approved by the corporate media.

    by jre2k8 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:36:56 AM PDT

    •  His op-ed titled "Holocaust Declaration".. (1+ / 0-)
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      on April 11,2008 sounded like a super-loyalty oath to Israel.

    •  The Krauthammers, Kristols, Cohens, Brookses and (5+ / 0-)

      others want a bomb-bomb-obliterate-Iran candidate.

      We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.

      by Lepanto on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:59:45 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Fine. (10+ / 0-)

        Strap them to the bombs.

        This message has not been approved by the corporate media.

        by jre2k8 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:00:37 AM PDT

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      •  Can I say this here? (6+ / 0-)

        As a religious Jew, every time I see Charles Krauthammer, I feel G-d has already punished him for his hatred and blood lust.

        I hope that's not too un-PC.

        •  It isn't too un-PC... (2+ / 0-)
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          Barry Leonardini, somenyguy

          but he hasn't been punished enough...

          It is horrifying that we have to fight our own government to save the environment. Ansel Adams -6.5 -6.75

          by Statusquomustgo on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:45:24 AM PDT

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        •  I'm also Jewish and ashamed of Krauthammer (4+ / 0-)
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          slangist, somenyguy, WisCheez, redtex

          Jews like Krauthammer are famous throughout Jewish history.  They're the Wicked Son, the betrayer of all that is moral and good in pursuit of their own ends.  

          There are similarities in every culture, religion and ethnic group.  The turncoats who, so filled with self hatred and rage, create an entire world view aiming to take out their issues of self on the rest of the world.

          The sad thing is that frauds like Krauthammer give anti-Semites fuel for the fire.  Even as the vast majority of Jews in America work for peace, vote democratic, the one or two Krauthammers are enough to give ammo to the conspiracy nutjobs.

          Now that's not Krauthammer's fault.  Anti-Semites will always find their "example" to prove the point.  But it doesn't make him any less reprehensible, either, nor piss me off as he embarrasses my religion every day of the week with his corrupt warmongering.

        •  Just as a sidenote (1+ / 0-)
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          it is interesting that the Religious Right has denounced devout Jews who support peace in the ME as antisemitic. If you listen to religious tv, it is interesting how Christianity has adopted so many of the trappings of Orthodox Judaism while insisting that all Jews must convert in order to be saved.

        •  May I say this here? (1+ / 0-)
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          esquimaux

          The point I was trying to make had no religious connotation whatsover as far as I am concerned. The point I was trying to make is that the overwhelming majority of op-ed writers in two once-great papers (the NYT and the WaPo) seem to be all neocon warmongers - and hence their hatred of Obama and their support of McCain and, in second place, of Hillary.

          We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.

          by Lepanto on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:20:04 AM PDT

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      •  McCain's Policy Advisors Infested with Neocons (0+ / 0-)

        The neocons have not gone away, they have just infested another campaign.  More acurately, I should say that John McCain has adopted them and their philosophy about America and its foreign policy in a way that puts even George Bush's embrace of them to shame.

        Look at who his foreign policy 'wonks' include:
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

        Then I would recommend America Alone: The Neo-Conservatives and the Global Order http://www.amazon.com/...

        This book is written by a couple of very main-stream Republicans and gives both the background and in-depth critique of the neoconservative agenda (Yes, Virginia, there is a neoconservative philosophy and movement and contrary to the optimistic outlook of the authors of this book, they are still alive, well and fighting to control our country.)

        While McCain has other more traditional advisors, his own statements much more closely reflect the beligerent, bellicose, militaristic, unilateral, interventionalist and pre-emptive approach to foreign policy that lies at the core of the neoconservative agenda.  

        There is no doubt of his intentions of staying in Iraq indefinitely when you understand his embrace of the neoconservative stategy of fostering creative instability in the Middle East as a method of fostering the viral spread of market democracy throughout the entire region.

        There is better understanding of McCain's lumping all of the groups together in Iraq when you understand that the larger strategy is to impose an America-centric government and Chicago School economy on Iraq (as well as the entire region) and any group that opposes this is 'the enemy'.  The remaining distinctions are irrelevant details when viewed through this distorted and short-sighted lens.

        So one of the leading neoconservatives plays the race card on McCain's behalf - well its all part of the Noble LIe.  SOP.  

        Think of the constitution as a levee. Think of our democracy as New Orleans.

        by Into The Woods on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 12:55:56 PM PDT

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    •  If the press were truly equal ... (4+ / 0-)

      ... in their treatment of McCain after asking Barack Obama if his pastor was more patriotic than he is than they might ask a question like this:

      Sen. McCain, you have a prenuptual agreement with your wife.  If your wife doesn't trust you, then why should America?

      Not that I want the question to be asked since you can't get a mandate for ending the war in Iraq, universal health insurance, and liberal Supreme Court nominees by running that way.  Nor do I even see a problem with prenuptual agreements.  There are certain situations where it may be a good idea to have one.  But the blockquote question might be fair now.

      The doctor said I wouldn't have so many nose bleeds if I kept my finger outta there. - Ralph Wiggum

      by jim bow on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:12:01 AM PDT

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    •  I read that this morning in my local paper (2+ / 0-)
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      I was so pissed off this morning when I read that. My local paper, the "liberal" St. Pete Times in Florida has one day a week in which it features "conservative" columnists.  Why, I cannot imagaine.  Especially, the lying smearing pile of crap that this guy is.  He looks like a lizard in his picture. He's not a journalist--he's a hit man, a hack, an idiot. This is going to get very very nasty, folks.  Racial hatred, race baiting, like this idiot does--oh I fear for our country.

    •  Funny... (0+ / 0-)

      ...I saw an interview with McCain on MSNBC this morning.  The interviewer showed a clip of McCain saying (to paraphrase the exchange) "the economy's in pretty good shape, and people aren't hurting."  The interviewer asked about the clip, and McCain mumbled about how he knew a lot of families were struggling, etc.  The interviewer paused for a heartbeat, then said "So you DON'T think the economy's in pretty good shape, and that families aren't hurting."  "No, I don't McCain said, quietly.

      What a lying sack of shit!  Yet Kraphammer only thinks Obama has a character issue.

    •  He is a putz (0+ / 0-)

      with no historical perspective on Chicago during the Sixties and ignoring that Hillary received a large contribution from two individuals with connection to the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka.  In one instance her campaign returned the money.  In the other, it has not.

      So I sent him a lovely email.  I suggest you do as well

  •  The thing I mention a lot... (16+ / 0-)

    ... to conservative friends is that McCain is quite literally in bed with lobbyists.

    I couldn't believe a Fox News story from yesterday. They uncritically reported a McCain statement -- "special interests need to stay out of this race."

    I agree, John. You can start by kicking them out of your campaign.

    •  Kick them out of his bed .. (2+ / 0-)

      "Change doesn't happen from the top down,
      it happens from the bottom up." Barack Obama

      by shpilk on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:55:39 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Character??? (0+ / 0-)

      McCain is in bed with this Diamond guy who ADMITs that he buys politicians..

      Mr. Diamond is close to most of Arizona’s Congressional delegation and is candid about his expectations as a fund-raiser. "I want my money back, for Christ’s sake. Do you know how many cocktail parties I have to go to?"

      If you want something other than the obvious to happen - you've got to do something other than the obvious...Douglas Adams

      by trillian on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:16:27 AM PDT

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    •  That you couldn't... (0+ / 0-)

      ...believe Faux "News" was uncritical of McCain is funny enough. I mean, are they going to bring him donuts with sprinkles and coffee? Will they all go over to Johnny's house for some scrumptious BBQ?? I mean, it just couldn't happen, could it?

  •  Krauthammer is just a mouth piece for the Rove (5+ / 0-)

    I just wouldn't worry about it.

  •  With regards to Wright, in this week's New Yorker (9+ / 0-)

    Hendrik Hertzberg makes an offhand comment that Jeremiah Wright was among other pastors who offered counseling and comfort at the White House when Clinton was mired in his Monica Lewinsky mess.  Does anyone know anything more about this?

  •  Is there anything funnier than (12+ / 0-)

    when people like Krauthammer start spouting off about "elitists"?  They don't make them much more "elite" than Chuckles and Will, etc.

  •  Glenn Greenwald (8+ / 0-)

    had some interesting things to say to Mr. Krauthammer:  Greenwald

    This comment has been crossposted at AT&T: 611 Folsom St, San Francisco, CA - Room 641A.

    by ManahManah on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:38:11 AM PDT

  •  How about McCain record of with ADL? (1+ / 0-)
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    That he refused to deny his statement that this is essentially a Christian nation and it should be run as such.

  •  But...but...he's a maverick, isn't he? (1+ / 0-)
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    •  McBush knows the only way he has a chance (0+ / 0-)

      to win is is to Pretend to do a number of things:

      Pretend he is a Maverick

      Throw Bush under the Bus, Levee, Train, or Semi
      ( but secretly wink at Bush that he still loves him but it is only politics )

      Pretend he is anti corporate, all the while being controlled by and being in bed wtih all of them.

      Pretend he is not a Republican.

      Please Let Primary Season be ending soon. We have McBush ahead. As Noah said: I built this damn ark, get your asses in here or suffer the McRain.

      by wishingwell on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:54:04 AM PDT

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  •  Okay, call me naive... (3+ / 0-)
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    But I would really like to think that once the Dems have settled on someone (Obama), we can finally get down to truly defining McCain. It boggles the mind how many otherwise, somewhat, intelligent people believe that he is actually this paragon of virtue.

    If there's any justice we can hammer this home until it reaches some sort of critical mass -- and then watch as he loses 49 states (he'll still get Arizona).

    All stressed out and no one to choke.

    by billssha on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:38:22 AM PDT

    •  Agreed. And even if the Obama campaign is too (2+ / 0-)
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      wishingwell, boofdah

      'polite' to hammer on some of these unpleasantries, the rest of us need not be so polite.  I want to see the tubes flooded with these concise talking points in rebuttle of McCain's 'character' and 'maverack record'.  I'll look for every opportunity to insert them into the right-wing email threads that come my way.  I'll write LTE.

      Think: Swiftboating.  (Except it's all true.)

      "Conservatism... is basically a public relations campaign aimed at persuading [people] to lay down their capacity for rational thought." -= Phil Agre

      by suburi on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:43:08 AM PDT

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    •  I think Obama should go after McCain and ignore (1+ / 0-)
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      ajbrown

      Hillary and Bill. Just start his General campaign messaging and go after McCain and Republicans.

      Please Let Primary Season be ending soon. We have McBush ahead. As Noah said: I built this damn ark, get your asses in here or suffer the McRain.

      by wishingwell on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:55:11 AM PDT

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    •  And the message can be simple, Voting for McCain (0+ / 0-)

      McBush is another 4 years of Bush.

      Please Let Primary Season be ending soon. We have McBush ahead. As Noah said: I built this damn ark, get your asses in here or suffer the McRain.

      by wishingwell on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:58:15 AM PDT

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  •  Would it if be fatuous (2+ / 0-)
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    fumie, SoxFan04

    for me to say I can't stand to look at Krauthammer since his botched nose job?

  •  Most of this post is welcome (10+ / 0-)

    But as the former partner of someone 20 years older than me, I have to take offense to the "cradle-robbing" remark. Her age is not what is at concern. His adultery and her money are.

    Please consider removing that remark.

    Want superdelegates who listen? Rita Moran for DNC. We need your support!

    by Eddie in ME on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:38:33 AM PDT

    •  Not to mention his "Gift" for inflicting (1+ / 0-)
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      wishingwell

      Psychological Abuse  

      Saying the Iraq "Surge" worked is like saying Thelma & Louise had a flying car.

      by JML9999 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:40:49 AM PDT

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    •  She was young when they met. (4+ / 0-)

      Just 25 years old. And with his character, I think her age at the time they met is an issue.

      As is the fact that he called her the c-word in front of reporters on a campaign bus 16 years ago:

      "The Real McCain by Cliff Schecter, which will arrive in bookstores next month, reports an angry exchange between McCain and his wife that happened in full view of aides and reporters during a 1992 campaign stop. An advance copy of the book was obtained by RAW STORY."

      Three reporters from Arizona, on the condition of anonymity, also let me in on another incident involving McCain's intemperateness. In his 1992 Senate bid, McCain was joined on the campaign trail by his wife, Cindy, as well as campaign aide Doug Cole and consultant Wes Gullett. At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, 'You're getting a little thin up there.' McCain's face reddened, and he responded, 'At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt.' McCain's excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days.

      This guy has serious control and anger issues. Leaving your wife fora 25 year old is part of a larger problem.

      •  Leaving his wife is a problem. (4+ / 0-)

        Calling her the "c word" is a problem. The anger issue is a problem.

        Her age is NOT a problem. I married a 43 year old at 23. Does that mean I have an issue?

        Leave the age out of it, please. The rest is what is at issue.

        Want superdelegates who listen? Rita Moran for DNC. We need your support!

        by Eddie in ME on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:50:49 AM PDT

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        •  The fact that he married someone who was young (0+ / 0-)

          enough to let her be controlled is a problem.

          I'm not indicting anyone who marries younger or older. But there certainly can be a correlation with domineering men marrying younger women. It's part of their character flaws that they need to be with someone who won't challenge them.

          Like any extreme, it doesn't mean that everyone who exhibits similar behavior or characteristic is pathological. But when measured with other traits, it's part of a larger issue- McCain left his wife to marry a young woman, in part because of control issues.

        •  Maybe... just maybe... it's not all about you. (0+ / 0-)

          No wonder the Republicans keep winning.  By the time Democrats get through assuring anyone and everyone about whatever they might become offended about, the Republicans have gotten in a dozen shots on the Democratic candidate.  Get over yourself.

          America - FUBBBAR (Fucked Up By Bush Beyond All Repair)

          by George Gould on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:43:20 AM PDT

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          •  Heh. (1+ / 0-)
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            Fixed Point Theorem

            Riiiiight.

            John McCain's wife's age has as much to do with his character as his adoption of a child who wasn't white.

            That is to say, nothing.

            Want superdelegates who listen? Rita Moran for DNC. We need your support!

            by Eddie in ME on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:12:49 AM PDT

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            •  Of course it has nothing to do with his character (0+ / 0-)

              but the only reason you're objecting is that it offended you personally. Frankly Scarlett, I don't give a damn if you're offended.  If we have to scrub every attack on McCain so that it offends no one, then the Republicans will hand us our asses in November - one more time.

              America - FUBBBAR (Fucked Up By Bush Beyond All Repair)

              by George Gould on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:35:46 AM PDT

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              •  I'm offended (1+ / 0-)
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                Fixed Point Theorem

                not because it's an attack on McCain, but because it's a baseless bullshit attack on McCain.

                If we're going to attack him, we have plenty of material without bringing "cradle-robbing" into it.

                So basically what you're saying is that we should just invent some baseless attacks on McCain, because those will play better than the real thing? Else why would you be defending attacking him baselessly?

                Want superdelegates who listen? Rita Moran for DNC. We need your support!

                by Eddie in ME on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:53:24 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Basically what I am saying is that we're not... (0+ / 0-)

                  omniscient, so let's throw anything and everything against the wall and see what sticks.  It really doesn't matter whether we believe its baseless; it matters whether the voters believe it.  And let's face it.  The American electorate is not too quick on the uptake or we wouldn't have spent the last twenty years under the Bush-Clinton dynasties.

                  America - FUBBBAR (Fucked Up By Bush Beyond All Repair)

                  by George Gould on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 12:32:43 PM PDT

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                •  I am pretty sure (0+ / 0-)

                  that the only number that McSame was thinking about when he met his trollop, er, wife, was her trust fund balance.

      •  but the media ignores all that , the media (1+ / 0-)
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        blueintheface

        ignores all the flaws of McBush.

        ( I intend to keep calling him McBush everywhere and all the time. He wants to wiggle away from Bush, but we need to keep him velcroed and stitched to Bush all the time.)

        Please Let Primary Season be ending soon. We have McBush ahead. As Noah said: I built this damn ark, get your asses in here or suffer the McRain.

        by wishingwell on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:56:52 AM PDT

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    •  Any women planning to vote for McCain? (1+ / 0-)
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      Fixed Point Theorem

      not to mention that he publicly called his wife a "trollop" and a "c*nt"

      Three reporters from Arizona, on the condition of anonymity, also let me in on another incident involving McCain's intemperateness. In his 1992 Senate bid, McCain was joined on the campaign trail by his wife, Cindy, as well as campaign aide Doug Cole and consultant Wes Gullett. At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, "You're getting a little thin up there." McCain's face reddened, and he responded, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt." McCain's excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days.

    •  Agreed. Plenty of women like older men (2+ / 0-)
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      Eddie in ME, Fixed Point Theorem

      I was 19 when I started dating my oldie-but-goodie.  I'm not fond of the 'cradle-robbing' meme because it basically says 18- and 19-year old women are silly bubble-headed children who need to be protected.

  •  Aren't the KKK "Men of God" (0+ / 0-)

    When you look "under the hood"

    Saying the Iraq "Surge" worked is like saying Thelma & Louise had a flying car.

    by JML9999 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:39:12 AM PDT

    •  yep until the mid 1960s they would not (1+ / 0-)
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      JML9999

      accept Catholics as members; you had to be a Protestant. However shrinking rolls led to a rethinking of this bar on Catholics and it was rescinded.
      However, Jews and Muslims are still not welcome nor are nonnative born Americans of nonEuro descent.

  •  how many people like this are actually bribed? (0+ / 0-)

    seriously, there's such a clear agenda in much of the MSM - Charlie Gibson another of way too many examples of 'mainstream' reporters steering the discussion

    the longer the supers hold out, the worse it will get

    Hillary is the one who is least liked, least able to attract swing voters, most abrasive, most lying, therefore, least electable

    C'mon Dean, Pelosi, Gore, Carter

    The time to come out of the closet is now

  •  What scares me (7+ / 0-)

    is the fact that the MSM and the Republican Party seem to give McCain the wink wink benifit.  They do not really believe he cares for any of these religions fruit cakes.  Obama on the other hand is truly religious and takes a hit every time Wright speaks. It drives me crazy.

    •  Right. They all know that Hagee is a nutball (2+ / 0-)
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      but they never call anyone on their associations because everyone knows it is just pandering, the christianists are wackos and they let it slide. ALL the REPs have to go to Bob Jones "university" and suck up t o Dobson.

      Where Wright is someone with actual credibility, so he is fair game, because he is NOT a religious nutball.

    •  True that. We're going to have to do an end run (2+ / 0-)
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      mystic, notquitedelilah

      around the traditional media to hammer these points home.

      E.g., take steps to inform our Catholic friends about the 'Catholic-Nazi-connection' endorsement.  

      (I'm going to make sure my Catholic parents are FULLLY up to speed on that one.)

      "Conservatism... is basically a public relations campaign aimed at persuading [people] to lay down their capacity for rational thought." -= Phil Agre

      by suburi on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:45:38 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  J (1+ / 0-)
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    Joe Beese

    Krauthammer is a pathetic human being, who is so awful that even McLaughlin dropped him. He hasn't done or said anything useful for a very long time. He is just a bitter human bing who seems to hate anyone who doesn't think exactly like him. I don't bother to read or listen to him or Micky Kaus, Bill Kristol, Frank Gaffley, the Kagan Gang etc.  

    My policy with people like these is "Dont feed the trolls", they get energized by the outrage against their awful comments.

    Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much. Oscar Wilde

    by RationalMan on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:41:16 AM PDT

  •  I think a lot of this is generational (7+ / 0-)
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    jre2k8, boofdah, ColoTim, mystic, WisCheez, brein, Losty

    John Edwards was youngish, but Obama is NOT the usual older white guy.

    Peggy Noonan has a ridiculous column in the WSJ today about how she doesn't think Obama tears up over our history, like when he thinks about the Wright Brothers or D-Day, but McCain has this history in his bones, she says. Such a pile of crap, but it screams generational divide.

    If you are old enough to have known the Wright Brothers, you are patriotic enough to be president, I guess.

    Obama is NOT one of the usual suspects, a member of the Washington official/journalist club, so he is suspect.

    •  Old As Hell. (5+ / 0-)

      McCain should have history in his bones..wasn't he at Kitty Hawk when the Wright Bros. first flew, and wasn't he at the signing of The Declaration of Independence in 1776?

    •  I'm so looking for the contrasting ages this fall (2+ / 0-)
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      You have a candidate for the future, and a candidate wedded to recent past failed policies and older, proven bad policies who is older than many voters' grandparents.  Both are applying for the job of leading the country into the future.  Guess which one has the greatest stake and role?

    •  Which bit of history? (3+ / 0-)
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      boofdah, brein, paintitblue

      I guess Obama may indeed not tear up over D-Day and the Wright Bros ..... splendid though they were at the time.

      What may move him to anger, outrage and a quiet determination to do something positive are a few other bits of US history.

      Slavery, racism, subjugation of the poor by the wealthy. Gender earnings gaps, the steady rolling back of affordable healthcare.

      Vietnam, Korea. The refusal to help allies until the US was bombed into WWII.

      There is plenty of History for him to learn from, and even become emotional about .... it's just different bits.

      Obama is probably smart enough to realise that US history is not a glorious parade of achievement, it contains much that is less savoury, and if this country is to move forward and benefit the majority of it's citizens, and be a positive force in the World, then Obama needs to Tear up* over the less heart-warming stuff, and make changes.

      That will be his legacy.

      We do not forgive our candidates their humanity, therefore we compel them to appear inhuman

      by twigg on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:03:08 AM PDT

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  •  Don't forget his FL co-chair (4+ / 0-)
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    Who solicited a police officer in a public restroom akin to the Larry Craig scandal. Consenting adults can do as they wish, but in public? Also, with all the venom that republicans spew towards those with alternative lifestyles, it makes me sick to see this kind of hypocrisy.

    Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? - Patrick Henry

    by BetMyCitizenship on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:42:27 AM PDT

  •  Wake me... (4+ / 0-)

    when Krauthammer says something non-stupid. This is just another day at the office, another dog bites man story.

    The Bush Family: 0 for 4 in Wisconsin

    by Korkenzieher on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:43:20 AM PDT

  •  ALL MSM COMPLICIT! (3+ / 0-)
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    It's not just Krauthammer, it's the whole MSM giving McCain a free pass. Maybe it will change once the democratic nominee is chosen and the press can concentrate on McCain, but until then, the MSM is complicit in their hypocrisy and none of us should stand for it. Excellent post Barb! Thank You!

    •  true as all the things we discuss here about (0+ / 0-)

      McCain McBush, the media ignores and never mentions. They are too busy gushing over McCain.

      Please Let Primary Season be ending soon. We have McBush ahead. As Noah said: I built this damn ark, get your asses in here or suffer the McRain.

      by wishingwell on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:00:59 AM PDT

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      •  It Took Jon Stewart To Reveal McCain's Hypocrisy (2+ / 0-)
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        in Selma, Alabama, by showing video of the actual crowd McCain spoke to -- literally all-white, an incredible occurrence in 70%-black Selma. Why wouldn't the MSM show this? Do you really think it's just because they think McCain is a "good guy"?

        Krauthammer is just an extreme example of what we're up against. If Obama wins this thing, he wins against the most broad-based power structure in the history of civilization.

        It is now up to all of us to take it back. -- Howard Zinn

        by donaldw6 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:32:36 AM PDT

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  •  Cradle-robbing? (3+ / 0-)

    No offense but when you are in your seventies and are married to someone in their fifties I hardly think that counts as cradle-robbing.  If she were 16 and he 34 you'd have something to stand on.  They're both that old?  Who gives a damn about their age difference.

  •  Krauthammer has been a spewer of racial hate (8+ / 0-)

    for years. When he accuses Wright of it, he's projecting.

  •  It really does take a maverick (6+ / 0-)

    to call your wife the c-word in public.

    "The thought of McCain being president sends a cold chill down my spine," "He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me." - Thad Cochran (R)

    •  BUM STEER (1+ / 0-)
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      McBush isn't  a "maverick"..he's a "bum steer"...

    •  and the women currently supporting Hillary need (1+ / 0-)
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      to know this. As when Obama is officially the nominee, I cannot see how these same women will vote for McCain. They tell exit pollsters this because they are still caught up in her campaign, the media says Hillary still has a chance, and of course they are going to say they will not vote for Obama. ( those who are most attached to Hillary).

      I still think much will change as time goes on and these Hillary supporters, particularly all these moderate and liberal women for her, will come over to Obama with time.

      Please Let Primary Season be ending soon. We have McBush ahead. As Noah said: I built this damn ark, get your asses in here or suffer the McRain.

      by wishingwell on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:04:43 AM PDT

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  •  Thank goodness no one outside the (0+ / 0-)

    Intellectual elite reads the NYT. And they're for Obama.. well most of them,anyway.

    The NYT, I feel, has grown largely irrelevant to all save the MSM.
    Their reprehensible coverage of evens in the past 7 years has discredited them in the eyes of their readers.
    The term the Paper Of Record is more of a joke when these days than a term of respect.

    What reasonable democrat would care what a known neocon like CK who has spent the last few years shilling for Bush and Rove says at any rate?

    Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we oft might win by fearing to attempt. William Shakespeare

    by notquitedelilah on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:45:09 AM PDT

  •  Don't forget the Keating Five (6+ / 0-)

    EOM

    •  Did you see Keith last night with Dean who wrote (3+ / 0-)
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      a book with Barry Goldwater, Jr who says his father really grew to dislike McCain a lot, especially after the Keating episode.

      Barry Jr is a Republican, Dean said, who will vote for McCain. But Dean says,

      His father would not be voting for or endorsing McCain. He really did not like McCain once he got to know him.

      Apparently Barry Sr. got a call from President Clinton asking if he could call Hillary for her 40th birthday. As Bill credits Barry Goldwater for getting Hillary interested in politics. Barry Sr. and Hillary became good friends until he passed away. Wonder what Barry would think of Hillary's scorched earth campaigning? Would he like or admire that? It is hard to tell but he would not be supporting  McCain which is fascinating.

      ( of course we have the Eisenhower kids supporting Obama. )

      Please Let Primary Season be ending soon. We have McBush ahead. As Noah said: I built this damn ark, get your asses in here or suffer the McRain.

      by wishingwell on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:08:58 AM PDT

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    •  just shows the difference - (1+ / 0-)
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      In McCain's first term as senator, he allowed himself to be manipulated into squashing the investigation into one of the (many) savings and loans which failed due to one of Reagan's de-regulation schemes.  Obama's first term has included everything from voting against an illegal war to running for President.  Seems to me this shows the real difference between the underlying character of these two individuals.

      People do not need religion. They need effective coping mechanisms to deal with existential anxieties. Patricia Guzikowsk

      by a lien on everything on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:53:49 AM PDT

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  •  Krauthammer is not *just* a dishonest hypocrite (1+ / 0-)
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    He's also an bat-like, inveigling, perverse homonculous bent upon ending the world through mendacious and malicious pandering to the GOP's most primitive and fascist elements.

    And notice how by being 100% accurate, I failed to actually ad hominem him.

    You're my kind of stupid.

    by SteamPunkX on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:46:09 AM PDT

  •  You expected better from Chuck the K? (1+ / 0-)
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    A lecture on "character" from Charles Krauthammer is like a lecture on "mercy & restraint" from Genghis Khan...

  •  Republican are (0+ / 0-)

    so far out of the "reality loop" it's incredible. What do people like this really see when they look in the mirror? They don't see themselves; that's for sure.

    "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction." --Blaise Pascal

    by lyvwyr101 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:50:51 AM PDT

  •  Iseman, Keating 5, Airbus (4+ / 0-)
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    McCain reeks of it

    "Change doesn't happen from the top down,
    it happens from the bottom up." Barack Obama

    by shpilk on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:51:09 AM PDT

    •  and whatever happened to Iseman? (2+ / 0-)
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      literally? Has she been seen since that story broke?
      Isn't it odd that she hasn't been interviewed? As far as I know, hasn't been seen at all!

      What'd they do? Hide her out of the country? If so, isn't that peculiar? And wouldn't journalists find that to be a good story? Oh, if we only had some left!

      •  The quid pro quo part of that has been (1+ / 0-)
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        buried because the 'sex scandal' part didn't seem to have a smoking gun.

        It's there.
        Airbus is in there, too .. festering. In the NW, McCain will be totally eviscerated by the Airbus deal. He has ZERO chance of winning in OR or WA as a result. Zero. The fall off down ticket might mean we'll get some unexpected House seats, too.

        One only hopes the DCCC is paying attention.

        The lobbyists that infest McCain's dealings will be his downfall. We need to have this constantly on this web site, 24/7.

        "Change doesn't happen from the top down,
        it happens from the bottom up." Barack Obama

        by shpilk on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:01:08 AM PDT

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  •  If Only There Was a Progressive Media (1+ / 0-)
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    The Mainstream Media, so called, is partly a function today of several decades of efforts on the part of financial activism by neoconservatives like Krauthammer, who is after all a think tank guy.

    Whenever editors see a new administration come into office, they look to see who they can get to represent some point of view on it.  It happens that, as a Bush insider, Mr. K qualifies as a person representing the neocon point of view.

    Unfortunately, elevating a partisan cheerleader to an editorial page position tends to confer a kind of elder statesmanlike objective wisdom which is not deserved.

    This guy is going to always promote the neocon point of view on everything.  

    One hopes that the press's penchant for pandering would hold true in an Obama election.  Maybe Kos could be tapped to replace Krauthammer in all those newspapers that syndicate his column.

    Between now and the fall,  this guy and the othe newspaper columnists and TV pundits as wells can be counted on to use their column space to support McCain by every means they can think of.

    If it means going low to incite racism, they will. The Republican Party has been about using code to appeal to racists every since the Voting Rights Act of 1964.

    •  corporate media - corporate media (4+ / 0-)

      not 'mainstream', but yes .. you have the rest correct.

      "Change doesn't happen from the top down,
      it happens from the bottom up." Barack Obama

      by shpilk on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:03:55 AM PDT

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    •  There is a hunger for and an audience for (1+ / 0-)
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      progressive media and more hard nosed, investigative journalism ala Edward R. Murrow.

      But my sense is corporations who sponsor these networks do not want to invest in any news network who tells the truth, is truly investigative, and just might expose frauds and abuses in corporations.

      Please Let Primary Season be ending soon. We have McBush ahead. As Noah said: I built this damn ark, get your asses in here or suffer the McRain.

      by wishingwell on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:11:51 AM PDT

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  •  You also left out all those planes (2+ / 0-)
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    McCain crashed, and that McCain finished last in his class at the Naval Academy.

    •  No shit. (2+ / 0-)
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      Imagine, if you will, that our nominee had been shot down, captured, and had signed a confession castigating the United States.

      Do you think the GOP and the media would refer to that person as a "war hero?"

      I mean these fucks smeared an actual war hero who actually killed Viet Cong.

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      by jre2k8 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:56:34 AM PDT

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      •  Um, Kerry who actually defended his comrades (1+ / 0-)
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        in the face of possible imminent death.

        McCain killed plenty of 'Viet Cong', along with untold numbers of civilians who happened to be in the way.

        "Change doesn't happen from the top down,
        it happens from the bottom up." Barack Obama

        by shpilk on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:03:04 AM PDT

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      •  yes to his days at the Academy and his character (0+ / 0-)

        but I wince when it comes to any talk about his time as a POW. He was tortured and went through hell. I think we should leave the aspect alone and not touch his time as a POW.

        There is plenty of stuff to go after McCain with and lots to criticize him with, tons of shit.

        But as Richard Lewis said on Keith last night,

        the man went through a horrific experience and he survived. But the man is old as dirt and flip flops more than pancakes at a pancake house. Let him retire to Arizona watch the salamanders commit suicide because it is 101 degrees in the winter

        .

        But I really , really think we should leave his time as a POW alone. Go after his record in the Senate, that is full of flip flops and contradictions. Even go after how he cheated on his first wife repeatedly and admits that.

        Please Let Primary Season be ending soon. We have McBush ahead. As Noah said: I built this damn ark, get your asses in here or suffer the McRain.

        by wishingwell on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:16:11 AM PDT

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        •  I have a friend who defends McCain cheating (0+ / 0-)

          on his wife, saying it was PTSD. But McCain even denies that and admits to chasing women before he married Cindy.

          Please Let Primary Season be ending soon. We have McBush ahead. As Noah said: I built this damn ark, get your asses in here or suffer the McRain.

          by wishingwell on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:18:38 AM PDT

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  •  BarbinMD - FIRED UP!! READY TO GO!!! :) n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  McCain's missing medical records (4+ / 0-)
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    So far he hasn't been very forthcoming. He blows it off with a joke about his 90+ year old mom.  But he has had melanoma twice, and suffered residual health effects from his POW days.  I guess Charlie considers all that out of bounds because of his own health issues, but he isn't running for president.

    Forget about the pursuit of happiness; that way lies grief. Concentrate on the happiness of pursuit.

    by kimtcga on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:52:56 AM PDT

  •  How shocked and outraged will everyone be (3+ / 0-)
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    when, whoever the Democratic nominee is, we suddenly get a 24/7, 2-3 weeks media "story"--using these type of seeds the right plants, whether an outright lie or a partial one--that destroys the Democratic candidate?

    But let's not prepare for this in any meaningful way, nor piss away energy on a creating an effective, and preemptive counter-strategy.

    That would ruin all the pleasure of after-the-fact moaning and outrage we on the left delight in.

    We've only seen this kind of thing from the media establishment for, what?, 28 years or more. I'm certain that if we keep focusing on, and complaining about, the Matthews and Krauthammers of the world, they will change.

    And in time for Nov '08.

    Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

    by Jim P on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:54:22 AM PDT

    •  So very right. (0+ / 0-)

      McCain must be destroyed, no holds barred.  And I don't even hate the guy.  It's just the way the game must be played.

      This message has not been approved by the corporate media.

      by jre2k8 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:58:29 AM PDT

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      •  Yes true but as long as the POW stuff is not (1+ / 0-)
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        touched...I think everything else is fair game.

        I only wince when a few, only a few thank God, want to go after his time as a POW. That is going too far..but everything else is fair game.

        Please Let Primary Season be ending soon. We have McBush ahead. As Noah said: I built this damn ark, get your asses in here or suffer the McRain.

        by wishingwell on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:20:44 AM PDT

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        •  I don't know (0+ / 0-)

          they were perfectly happy to paint Kerry a coward. I really don't know if i'd take this particular road or not, hope that it can somehow remain academic though.

          May 6th 2008: IN Insignificance Day

          by stevej on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:51:04 AM PDT

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        •  I agree the POW stuff is off limits. (2+ / 0-)
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          I'm saying that it wouldn't be if the GOP were setting out to tar a Dem with McCain's bio.

          But I'm not like them.  I won't sell my soul or tarnish my reputation.  I can win without doing that.

          As far as I'm concerned, anyone associated with the Swiftboat effort is under a standing order to have their fucking asses kicked, and kicked hard.

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          by jre2k8 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 12:27:09 PM PDT

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    •  I hope this is part of both Sen. Obama's and (0+ / 0-)

      Clinton's oppo research preparation.

      Let's support our candidate in the primary and if he/she loses, let's think of John Roberts and Sam Alito when we think of John McCain.

      by Dave from Oregon on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:03:48 AM PDT

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      •  It's past time we recognize that Media itself (3+ / 0-)
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        is our opposition. And we have to deal with it in those terms.

        Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

        by Jim P on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:19:04 AM PDT

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        •  that is so true Jim as I saw that making calls (3+ / 0-)
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          for Obama. There were many people who believed that Hillary had a very good chance of getting the nomination. They believed Hillary was ahead in the popular vote and that Hillary did win Michigan and Florida fair and square. When I explain the math and about those 2 states not counting, they were amazed..and said

          Wow I did not know. The news channels are not saying that.

          Please Let Primary Season be ending soon. We have McBush ahead. As Noah said: I built this damn ark, get your asses in here or suffer the McRain.

          by wishingwell on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:22:51 AM PDT

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  •  Krauthammer is awful (1+ / 0-)
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    feel free to indicate the level of his partisan dishonesty in the comments section of the Washington Post.  

    I sure do.  

  •  Will you be submitting this... (1+ / 0-)
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    to the Washington Post to rebut/respond to his article?  This is something that needs to appear in print.  Of course we know that not everyone reads blogs.  This is important enough to get out to print media, whether it's in response to WaPo or in another news source.

  •  Clownish (1+ / 0-)
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    So the WP needs to get more serious?

    McCain admitting to multiple affairs while married to his first wife, finally divorcing her to marry his current, millionaire wife who is 18 years his junior, which transformed him from a run of the mill adulterer into a cradle-robbing gigolo.

    Huh? 18 years isn't a scandalous difference, really. It's certainly not cradle-robbing. And gigalo has an actual meaning Here's dictionary.com:

    a man living off the earnings or gifts of a woman, esp. a younger man supported by an older woman in return for his sexual attentions and companionship.

    ...and McCain doesn't fit it just because his wife is rich.

    A clownish end to something that purported to goad the WP into taking McCain's issues seriously. This post begs to not be taken seriously, putting punchlines, riffs, and epithets above it's goals.

    It's practically an Olbermann routine.

    (-2.75, -4.92) | This might be a misstatement. I'll decide later.

    by Addison on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:58:15 AM PDT

  •  Krauthammer is a bitter, self-loathing mess . . . (0+ / 0-)

    and his judgment cannot be relied upon.  Without meaning to be too cruel, the guy spends each day of his life trapped in a wheel chair because he dove into a swimming pool without making sure there was any water in it.

    He hates himself for the error . . . and projects the bitterness and hatred on all those not as miserable as he is.

    "we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex" Dwight D. Eisenhower

    by bobdevo on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:59:51 AM PDT

  •  WaPo is a rag. I look forward to its (1+ / 0-)
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    continued decline as it gets wiped out by the internet.

  •  but....iokiyar...and besides (1+ / 0-)
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    Sen. McCain said, and I hope it is true.... that all of his affairs were with adult women.  

    Let's support our candidate in the primary and if he/she loses, let's think of John Roberts and Sam Alito when we think of John McCain.

    by Dave from Oregon on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:02:12 AM PDT

  •  Krauthammer (6+ / 0-)

    ... is a vile, ELITIST racist who has been spewing bigotry cum editorializing for many years. I remember writing a blazingly angry response to one of his racist hit-pieces more than a dozen years ago. I don't understand why he has any more credibility than say, a Karl Rove, when it comes to commentary about any middle-class issue. The likes of Krauthammer have nothing but disdain for the middle-class, so you can imagine what they think about African Americans. As far as they're concerned, African Americans are nothing but 'special interest' groups, and so therefore should have no sway over "Mainstream America," their code for White people. In K's chiseled eyes, if Black people present the least bit of cultural pride (we do indeed represent a sub-culture in the U.S. - not equating "sub" as inferior, but rather as a sub-set of ...), we are automatically dubbed radical, COUNTER-cultural, and not to be taken seriously nor contextually, in any way. He is just as shallow as any unexposed, uneducated, impoverished "Joe" among our citizenry.  Who is more blind than he who will not see?

    •  EH! (0+ / 0-)

      I meant, "special interest GROUP!" They think we're just one big glob.

    •  you got that right Tired (0+ / 0-)

      he just uses a lot of words to justify his racism and hate.

      Please Let Primary Season be ending soon. We have McBush ahead. As Noah said: I built this damn ark, get your asses in here or suffer the McRain.

      by wishingwell on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:28:02 AM PDT

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    •  Try Again 'Bull'.. (0+ / 0-)

      I don't understand why he has any more credibility than say, a Karl Rove, when it comes to commentary about any middle-class issue.

      Perhaps it has something to do with the Pulitzer Prize for Distinguished Commentary sitting on his mantle.  Not sure how many of those are in Barbin's awards collection (or yours Bull?), but one can only conclude that CK's arrow came awfully close to the mark on Barack the Great to incite the anti-semite, handicap-insensitive rants strewn throughout this discussion.

  •  asdf (1+ / 0-)
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    Imagine someone writing an oped like that about Hillary Clinton or John McCain.

    * 4050 * http://icasualties.org/oif/

    by BDA in VA on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:03:08 AM PDT

  •  CK is & has been a right wing nut job 4 ages... (0+ / 0-)

    Hunter...he will not go after John McCain.

    So, take a deep breath...and ignore this bloviating egotistical blow hard....best way to handle these kinds of people.  You know like BillO and Sean Creepity.

  •  What About Krugman (0+ / 0-)

    Krauthammer's nonsense is to be expected.  Krugman, however, is a major disappointment - http://www.dailykos.com/...

  •  what is scarier than this colum (0+ / 0-)

    is some of the comments in response.

  •  Charles Krauthammer (0+ / 0-)

    looks like a resident of Whoville.
    I don't know. How many votes can you scrounge these days by victimizing the Nixon Pentagon?

    Facts have a liberal bias.

    by plok on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:05:09 AM PDT

  •  I'm reminded of... (0+ / 0-)

    Alexander Cockburn's description of Krauthammer as "The New Republic's Neanderthal in Residence."  Same sh*t, different media forum.

  •  I've always thought that (2+ / 0-)
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    When Krauthammer is referred to either on blogs or on the radio, his name should be replaced with "Craphammer" because he's always trying to pound nothing but shit into our brains.

  •  Don't forget, McSame kicked off his Senate (1+ / 0-)
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    crimes with the Keeting Five.

  •  Character Issues? Bring 'Em On! (0+ / 0-)

    You want character issues?  You can't handle character issues.

  •  John Dean said Goldwater lost faith in McCain (0+ / 0-)

    after the Keating Five scandal.

    On Countdown, yesterday, Dean was pretty critical of McCain and said Goldwater didn't think too much of him.

  •  Courtisans and sychophants (0+ / 0-)

    Who really listens to these bores anyway? It is better to promote a positive agenda which will help real people live better than to waste any time on the ad nauseam set. Listening to the pundips (spelling intentional) is only good for a laugh (not worth crying over) and to stay up with the distraction du jour.

    Sometimes people do silly and useless things. They can't help themselves. They are often at the mercy of unknown vectors. Richard Brautigan

    by loud zoo on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:15:08 AM PDT

  •  Why should we even debate the relative (0+ / 0-)

    worth of the candidates with this krautwhatever bum?

    The right wing doesn't spend any time arguing the message, they just attack the messenger. It's not just because their points are poorer, it also acts as a deterrent against that messenger and other potential ones.

    When are we going to start making krauthamwhatever (and bums like him) pay a price for the lies he writes? A sad case like him must not have much to lose, even for him there has to be something.

  •  Where did "launched in Ayers' home" come from? (0+ / 0-)

    Krauthammer:

    In fact, Obama's political career was launched in a 1995 meeting at Ayers's home.

    Maybe I haven't been paying enough attention, but that one never registered before.

    Thank you Senator Dodd!

    by jrooth on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:19:15 AM PDT

  •  What Gleen Greenwald said (0+ / 0-)

    here

    The man is a National treasure.

  •  Krauthammer. Ugh! (1+ / 0-)
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    I used to froth as I read Ann Coulter's column in our Sunday paper, hoping to hell they'd get rid of the odious fabricator.  Then one morning I open up the opinion section and there, instead of Coulter's exaggerated adam's apple, is Krauthammer's simian mug staring back at me.  Who would ever have thought there were worst things in the world than Ann Coulter?

    Newspapers are unable, seemingly, to discriminate between a bicycle accident and the collapse of civilization. -- George Bernard Shaw

    by dsteffen on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:24:57 AM PDT

  •  Krauthammer has an opinion (0+ / 0-)

    He never clouds it with reason, analysis, fact, truth, sensibility or good prose.  Just an opinion formed within his ascending colon.

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. -- Daniel Patrick Monynihan

  •  Forget Krauthammer, let's pound McSame (0+ / 0-)

    After listening to the analylsis of the pro catholic vote in PA's primary.  There seemed to be quite an emphasis on it.  Why are we not focusing on McCains support by and for Hagee reguarding the Catholic church.
    We gloss over all of the Whore of Babylon rethoric and land on Hagee's comdemnation of gays/New Orleans.  If the Chatholic vote is so important, then that is the chink in the armor that we should be attacking.
    There is, to me, an obvious disconnect when we allow ourselves to not address the horrendous attitude of a blantant bigot.  And somehow believe that Rev. Wright will slide off from Obama's back.
    Ignoring the cleveing of McCain to Hagee, and not exploiting Hagees attacks on the Pope and the Catholic church; is to forget what it will really take to win this contest.
    footsore

  •  Krauthammer needs mental health warning label (0+ / 0-)

    Warning, believing anything this man speaks or writes has been shown to result in self destructive delusions

  •  It will be over when 527's for Obama go negative. (0+ / 0-)

    McCain will absolutely flip out, maybe even get angry!  And the voters will bolt at the limits of Republican fear-mongering.

    Republicans are dust. Look to what they voted against and see their genocide writ large on the citizens of our nation. It's just a population control and governance issue for them.

    For us, it's life & death.

    First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. -Mohandas Gandhi

    by ezdidit on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:34:53 AM PDT

  •  Charles Krauthammer is a worthless POS (0+ / 0-)

    It is horrifying that we have to fight our own government to save the environment. Ansel Adams -6.5 -6.75

    by Statusquomustgo on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:43:43 AM PDT

  •  K's track record this year (0+ / 0-)

    Of 17 columns, 10 have directly or indirectly attacked Obama.  In four of them, Obama was the primary subject for derision.  

    So, on average, we can expect every other K column to criticize Obama and every fourth column to be a hit piece on Obama.

    Of all the subjects K can write about, he sure is obsessed with Obama.

    Tell me again who the Republicans want to run against?  

    We're in a culture that increasingly holds that science is just another belief. - Alan Alda

    by sawgrass727 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:05:54 AM PDT

  •  The CabbageSmasher!!! (0+ / 0-)

    Off the reservation again!! Ask him when we will be greeted in Iraq as liberators.  

    "Someday a real rain will come and wash all the scum away."

    by Travis Bickle on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:06:47 AM PDT

  •  Comments section on WaPo (0+ / 0-)

    Reading the comments following Krauthammer's 'work' today, I was struck by how idiotic and ignorant the anti-Obama comments were. I can understand if people don't support him for his policies, but the reasons that the overwhelming majority gave were a carbon-copy of Krauthammer's garbage. It is patently obvious that the right-wingers and their allies in the press will do absolutely anything to avoid any discussion of substantial issues. They know they can't defend their record, so we get ridiculous and wholly detached from reality attacks like Obama=Farrakhan, Obama supports domestic terrorists, Obama's supporters are college kids and black people (both of which are obviously rubes for supporting him), Obama doesn't share mainstream values (whatever the hell those are), Obama's supporters hate the military and want the government to do everything for them, etc. I know its been said, but it bears repeating: right-wingers just aren't that intelligent, yet their malevolence knows no bounds. In a word, they truly are idiots.

  •  It's very simple what's happening: (0+ / 0-)

    Republicans don't want Obama to be the nominee.

    THE END

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  •  did you hear 2 uses of the verb "kill" on MSNBC? (0+ / 0-)

    It was Joe and Pat that referred to what Hillary needs to and will be able do to Obama in Indiana...    

    during their frenzied fight to defeat him.. to secure his  (my psychic tells me) Pentagon/Blackwater/KBR paymasters.

  •  I just slime this guy!! (0+ / 0-)

    Can't stand the guy,,,I've never seen him write anything positive about anybody.

  •  The Family (0+ / 0-)

    And while we are at it let's not forget Hillary's connections to "The Family." Now there's a really scary religious group with their praising the tactics of Hitler for gaining power and connecting it to religious principles and values.  

    For another take on religion and politics check out some of my posts on:

    visit Digressions at http://digress08.blogspot.com/

    by cloudwatcher on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:19:55 AM PDT

  •  Hang on... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    I really would have liked it if this post rebutted what Krauthhammer said in his article. The article was called dishonest, but instead of coming back with facts as to why it was dishonest, McCain's faults were pointed out.  Obviously he has MANY, but Krauthammer is a conservative so of course he will write McCain's oponent in a negative light, just as some of you here will write any opponent of Obama's in a negative way.  I'm just saying that I would like to see more facts and less of "oh yeah, well look at what your guy did!"  And that goes for both sides of the political spectrum.

    •  Yes... well put. (0+ / 0-)

      Please explain to me how Obama's relationship with Ayers is something unworthy of scrutiny.  

      Do you think this will go away when he wins the nomination?

      http://www.city-journal.org/...

      It doesn't matter one tiny bit what everyone else is guilty of, or how hypocritical the messenger may or may not be.  These questions will eventually have to be answered.

      And the cradle robbing reference was unnecessary.

      •  Did you read Krauthammer's article? (0+ / 0-)

        Full of non sequiturs and veiled suggestions that the person he speaks of is Ayers, not it's Obama, no it's Ayers again...without context.

        "True, Obama was 8 years old when Ayers was setting bombs at the Pentagon. (The Weathermen's flirtation with anarchism and vilence. cheap,easy,and useless stunts)". But he(Obama) started politics in 1995 at a dinner at Ayers's home. That is a Charles K lie.

        . Ayers had a bomb go off that killed 3 of his fellow bomb makers. Then he decided it was no good, turned himself in,and basically tried to go away from that tactic which was a dead end, literally. Years later he is living in Chicago in the same neighborhood Obama is in, and it turns out the activism is still of interest even though the tactics are quite different. What is the big deal?

         Young people race cars illegally, drink to wretched excess, do many many stupid things, and somehow live to grow up most of the time. It doesn't make it right or just another facet of life, but there it is.  Krauthammer did stupid things, one of them permanently paralyzed him.

          The difference here is Krauthammer refuses to speak of the Obama media sliming and guilt by association that is an unjustified stretching of the truth with minimal actual doings with Ayers and Reverend Wright.

        Ayers was a friend in the neighborhood when he was doing positive things in aduthood in Chicago, not when he was a wild anarchist type trying a shortcut to close down the Pentagon in an absurd and lethal effort.  

        Obama knows the difference. He worked with the guy to get  positive things done. What does Krauthammer do except slime him?  Not everybody is Jesus Christ. Most of us have shortcomings. We all work with people we know or don't know quite as well as we think we know them.

        Menachim Begin,the Premier of Israel was a confirmed terrorist, involved in the gangs that set bombs and killed ordinary people at the King David Hotel in 1948 and other terrible things. Krauthammer when he shook his hand, never thought someone would ask "How do you shake the hand of a terrorist?"

        Krauthammer has also shook the hand of GW Bush, who ordered a sneak missile fired into a Baghdad restaurant that killed nearly a dozen people eating and working there in 2003 at the start of the invasion. That makes him a terrorist. Yet Krauthammer is proud of shaking Bush's hand!

        It is only Obama about whom "questions  be asked".

         Krauthammer is a hypocrite and a liar and a sleazeball.  He has a vested interest in the wretches who sometimes leak him sordid stories and repay him when he touts them in his gossip rag. He is annoyed that there is a chance he might lose his access in an Obama administration, so he is protecting his masters.  

        He's a survivor, not a hero. Unlike most Republicans, he HAS dropped bombs on a people and country that did not attack America. It fits: Warmonger

        by Pete Rock on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 01:00:14 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Nope! You hang on. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      brein

      We continue to see the conversation turned from McCain's myriad issues, and onto Obama's manufactured ones. It's incredibly important to have more discussion on Obama's positives and McCain's negatives, and not to keep sitting back on our heels and defending the same old, tired nonsense that Krauthammer rehashes in his column.

      Look around all over this site to find robust defenses on these things. The problem isn't that what's been said on Obama's behalf isn't satisfactory, it's that people like Krauthammer -- and you -- continue to pretend to be unaware of all that's been said already, and try to get us to start all over again.

      So, who needs more facts?

      It is now up to all of us to take it back. -- Howard Zinn

      by donaldw6 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 12:10:13 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I was with you until . . . (2+ / 0-)
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    tandrews, natalie902

    You called him a cradle robber.  I would say their respective ages should be irrelevant to everyone but the two people involved.

    Zirc

  •  Charles Krauthammer. Serious questions. (0+ / 0-)

    His writing style is good and smooth.

    He has an exalted position.

    So.....Why are we still jammie blogging?

    Where's the plan to make sure Krauthammer's work gets held up to proper scrutiny in all the necessary places....not just among the converted?

    Best Diary of the Year? http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/23/03912/3990

    by LNK on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:36:39 AM PDT

  •  Krauthmmer barf (0+ / 0-)

    Never could stand the guy when
    he  was  on  one of the  talking head shows

  •  GREAT expression 'bout Mad Jack (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    slangist

    "cradle-robbing gigolo"

    I'm gonna use that one.

  •  How about information on Krauthammer's (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    onp67

    "character and cultural attitudes".

  •  it's a puzzlement (0+ / 0-)

    not all dishonest people are hypocrites, but surely all hypocrites are dishonest. after all, is there such a thing as an honest hypocrite?

    no, to reveal the full horror that is chuck bochewrench, you need a better adjective to modify hypocrite.

    i would go for one from the medical field, suppurating hypocrite or festering hypocrite or putrid hypocrite.

    there is also the size metaphor, as in massive hypocrite, huge hypocrite, enormous hypocrite.

    but dishonest hypocrite is practically a tautology. dishonesty is already implied by the very possession of hypocrisy, and he does both so well that the pages of the washington post will always possess an endless supply of them.

  •  Bosnia and Iran (0+ / 0-)

    Krauthammer knows nothing. He opposed involvement in the Balkans, and at the time, had no problem with Iranian involvement in Bosnia.

    Funny how things like that fall off his radar.

  •  On intra-party attacks (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Nimbus

    A temper so vile that Republican Senator Thad Cochran once said that the thought of McCain as President "sends a cold chill down my spine."

    -- a fair use of intra-party attacks... and a reminder how effectively intra-party accusations are used by the opposition in a general election. Hint, hint.

    •  Another example... (0+ / 0-)

      I just heard Sean Hannity making a big point of saying "even Bill Clinton says Barack Obama engaged in race-based politics!" (As if Bill Clinton represented the paragon of Democratic values.)

      Much more of this shit to come!

    •  What happened to all the comments that (0+ / 0-)

      were being made in the short period of time before McCain cinched the nomination, by such poobahs of the right as Limbaugh, Coulter, Dobson, etc, etc?

      Why aren't Dems using their words to split up the Republicans like they're trying to do to us, now?

      They were calling him every name in the book, but the worst was, of course, that he is a RINO, and a liberal with no sense of loyalty to his own party. These quotes should be cited over and over, and McCain should be repeatedly reminded of them, and so should those who made the comments.

  •  Wow, way to dodge the questions (0+ / 0-)

    Typical "Oh yeah? Well your guy" arguments from the O-Bots. Yet another reason this is still Hillary's nomination

  •  I can't prove it, (0+ / 0-)

    but I suspect that Krauthammer's attitude regarding 'terrorist' organizations might differ according to whether it's the Weathermen, Hamas, Irgun or Haganah at issue.

  •  Ugh. (1+ / 0-)
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    peterbernard209
    McCain admitting to multiple affairs while married to his first wife, finally divorcing her to marry his current, millionaire wife who is 18 years his junior, which transformed him from a run of the mill adulterer into a cradle-robbing gigolo.

    After the Lewinsky fiasco, you should know better than this. Jim Webb's wife is much younger than him, and Russ Feingold has been divorced three times. I know CK is a raging hypocrite, but that could have been demonstrated without writing that blurb. It hurt my eyes.

  •  Keep living in your dream world (0+ / 0-)

    Charles Krauthammer acknowledges the obvious fact that Israel faces extinction if Iran obtains nuclear weapons.  The news over the past 2 days cornfirms that Syrians with their Iranian masters are also seeking the bomb.  Your only replies are grade school ad hominem attacks.  Thankfully Jimmy Carter and Barack aren't yet in positions to kiss Iranian and Syrian asses and sell the West out to bigoted murderers.  

    I understand the ranting of the average Daily Kos  anti-Semite, but am completely oblivious to see how any Jew could join in this crowd of Hitler youth as they seek our collective extermination.  

    The more you loons back Barack, the scarier he looks to the average American.  November prediction: McCain in an electoral landslide.  

    Shalom!

  •  Not a Gigolo (0+ / 0-)

    ... they have to have something to offer the lady.

  •  an earlier model (0+ / 0-)

    happened upon this description of a 19th century man of business. think it fits poor chuck exactly.

    "Oh, he was a dull ignorant superficial darting foolish prating creature in himself, to be sure, but I found him truly fascinating. The pure bourgeois in a state of social ferment. There was that typical costive, haemorrhoidal facies, the knock-knees, the drooping shoulders, the flat feet splayed out, the ill breath, the large staring eyes, the meek complacency; and, of course, you noticed that womanly insistence upon authority and beating once he was thoroughly drunk? I would wager he is very nearly impotent..."

  •  "cradle-robbing gigolo" (0+ / 0-)

    Jeeez, that is so completely sexist and anti-male and BACKWARD.

    So a man can't marry a woman younger than him? A man can't marry a woman RICHER than him?

    Look I agreed with you up to that point but there's nothing morally wrong with marrying someone younger or richer than you are to people who aren't uptight weirdos.

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