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I personally don't conflate Senator Obama's views with Reverend Wright's. I can only hope that others don't as well, but I know my fellow Americans better than that.

Of all the statements that Reverend Wright has made, I think that this one probably sticks in the craw of people, more so than even the "God Damn America" remark.

Obama should specially repudiate and denounce Reverend Wright's suggestion that the US Government created AIDS to destory the Black race.

By strongly denouncing this statement Obama can go a long way toward distancing himself from what many consider to be Wright's anti-American views.

So far, Obama has said that he rejects the controversial remarks:


"I have said before and I will repeat again that some of the comments that Reverend Wright has made offend me and I understand why they've offended the American people.

"He does not speak for me. He does not speak for the campaign and so he may make statements in the future that don't reflect my values or concerns.

"I think certainly what the last three days indicate is that we're not coordinating with him."

But I'm not sure that goes far enough for many people. The problem is that suggesting the US created AIDS paints America not a good Country that does the wrong thing from time to time, but rather it paints America as an evil and insidious Nation.

I know it is a slippery slope for Obama to start selecting individual quotes and denouncing them, but by singling out this remark, which many consider the most henious of the lot, Obama could do some damage control.

MODERATOR: In your sermon, you said the government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. So I ask you: Do you honestly believe your statement and those words?

WRIGHT: Have you read Horowitz's book, "Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola," whoever wrote that question? Have you read "Medical Apartheid"? You've read it?

(UNKNOWN): Do you honestly believe that (OFF-MIKE)

WRIGHT: Oh, are you -- is that one of the reporters?

MODERATOR: No questions...

(CROSSTALK)

WRIGHT: No questions from the floor. I read different things. As I said to my members, if you haven't read things, then you can't -- based on this Tuskegee experiment and based on what has happened to Africans in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing anything.

In fact, in fact, in fact, one of the -- one of the responses to what Saddam Hussein had in terms of biological warfare was a non- question, because all we had to do was check the sales records. We sold him those biological weapons that he was using against his own people.

So any time a government can put together biological warfare to kill people, and then get angry when those people use what we sold them, yes, I believe we are capable

Originally posted to Jimmy Crackcorn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 06:09 AM PDT.

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  •  More Wright Diaries? Really? (5+ / 0-)

    Didn't the hundred we have yesterday serve the purpose?

  •  barf (4+ / 0-)

    eat, purge, repeat.

    Insight into change teaches us hope. No matter how bad the situation, anything is possible. - Buddha

    by zenbowl on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 06:12:56 AM PDT

  •  My concern is if he denounces a specific (9+ / 0-)

    statement does that mean he is going to have to go over everything Wright has said and either accept it or denounce it?

    Seems to me a general denouncing is the way to go.

    •  I touched on that in the post (0+ / 0-)

      but I think he needs to say to the Black Community that the Government is not out to get them and can actually improve thier lives.

      it's a serious wedge issue between the Black Community and the US Government. As many as 50% of the Black Community actually believes this.

      •  You know, I just don't think he has time (1+ / 0-)
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        Jimmy Crackcorn

        to address the numerous wack-a-doodle remarks that this Wright character has made.

        He said that black children's brains work differently from white children yesterday.  I mean really WTF?  What did he read to lead him to believe that crap?  I think it is time to dismiss the man entirely.

        If Obama starts trying to address every nutso comment this guy has made AND Vidoetaped (!!), he'll be busy 24/7 and have no time to run a campaign against McCain.  Obama should have cut the cord immediately after Wright gave that political sermon in January.  It is late, but he really has no choice now.  Wright has seen to that.

        Clyburn was on all the morning shows this morning delivering the following line:  "With a crazy uncle like that who needs 527s?"

    •  he needs to issue the political equivalent (2+ / 0-)
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      SLKRR, Jimmy Crackcorn

      of the 10th amendment -- unless "I explicitly endorsed a statement of Rev Wright's, then responsibility for it is reserved exclusively to him."

      •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

        I am offended with people who somehow support Obama on one hand then still somehow hold him responsible for the Words that Rev Wright speaks. Never in my life have I seen guilt by association as in the case with Wright and Obama. What next? No more Wright diaries PLEASE !!!! Kos is turning into CNN, MSNBC, and Fox news..

        •  Look - Obama used his relationship with this (0+ / 0-)

          man from the start of his campaign.  He held him out as his spiritual advisor.  Until Obama makes a clean break with him - AND he stops telling people like Chris Wallace that Wright is fair game in the political discussion - your "offense" at the association that is acknowleged by both Obama and Wright should be directed at the two of them.

  •  Like we need ANOTHER CLIP!?! (0+ / 0-)

    We're trying to turn the page today. Perhaps you missed the memo.

  •  this is exactly the problem (8+ / 0-)

    You say the HIV is THE most offensive statement and one that Obama MUST denounce.  

    Someone else says the same thing about God Damn America--or Chickens Coming Home to Roost--or Right Brain-Left Brain ways of learning---or whatever--and DEMANDS that Obama denounce that.

    Pretty soon, all Obama will be doing is responding to demands that he denounce this or that statement.

  •  Obama is not Wright (3+ / 0-)
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    I think the average American is far more concerned with the rising prices of food, shelter and transportation than what anyone's pastor said.  If this is still an issue by the time we get to the general, all we have to do is youtube just about any random thing Hagee or Parsley has said -- that is, if the Repubs really want to go there.

    This primary has become not one damned thing after another, but rather one damned thing over and over.

    by middleagedhousewife on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 06:19:49 AM PDT

  •  Really, he ought to review all statements by (4+ / 0-)
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    all people he's known, identify the ones that are most likely to stick in the craws of upright white folks, and denounce them right quick.

    He could do it 24 hours a day. Go on tour, maybe.

    That would be sure to shut up the media.

    That's what's wrong with this world, really. Not enough denunciation. Not enough attention paid to things people say that don't matter much at all, when you think about it.

  •  Hello? Millions dead? Centuries of economic (1+ / 0-)
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    imperialism? Slavery? Nuclear arms? Capitalist oligarchy? War machine?

    America is an inherently evil and insidious nation.

    -9.63, 0.00
    Anti-groupthink is the groupthink of the anti-groupthink group.

    by nobody at all on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 06:23:45 AM PDT

  •  Wright Isn't an Obama Surrogate (3+ / 0-)
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    SLKRR, Inland, paintitblue

    ...and it's not Obama's place to go around policing every speech Wright makes.

  •  Wright Huckabee morning talk show (0+ / 0-)

    That's really what this has devolved to: a symbiotic relatinship between a few guys who find out that they simply love the media spotlight and will babble on to try to keep that spotlight.

  •  I suppose (1+ / 0-)
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    but what about all those weird 9-11 theories from the Christian right about 9-11 being God's retribution for gay lifestyles, straying from the word of god, etc.  Some of those ideas came from icons of the religious right who are courted by John McCain and the Republican Party.

    •  Silly Tribe Fan (0+ / 0-)

      Those were wacko theories made up by white people, not by militant angry negroes!  ;-)

      "I'm a big fan of Barack Obama. He is something special. You can look him in the eye and believe every word he says." --Roger Waters

      by SLKRR on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 06:36:06 AM PDT

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  •  Rev. Wright is REFRESHING. (3+ / 0-)
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    SLKRR, jenesq, overlander

    I'm happy all of this, common knowledge among black folks, is being aired out. GOOD.

    I know its SHOCKING, but America is NOT PERFECT. The government in this country has done some very insidious things and all of it needs to be aired out.

    I'm quite pleased.

    I'm black, and therefore automatically vote exclusively for black candidates. You're white and choose only based on the issues.

    by brooklynbadboy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 06:31:53 AM PDT

    •  The country was FOUNDED with human slavery (1+ / 0-)
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      as its labor pool and the ideology of manifest destiny on the one hand (read: genocide of native peoples, carried out as a concerted plan) and capitalism/market-centric social being on the other.

      The very soul of the country, its entire birth, is polluted by the deeply inhumane, deeply immoral sins of a WASP culture that still refuses to admit its wrongs, even as it is threatened with economic, diplomatic, and military disaster as the result of these many, many, many chickens finally coming home to roost.

      Think what you want, America, the world knows what it thinks of you, and the world is moving on.

      -9.63, 0.00
      Anti-groupthink is the groupthink of the anti-groupthink group.

      by nobody at all on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 06:37:32 AM PDT

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  •  Another 'What Barack Should Do' diary! Yayy! (1+ / 0-)
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    What happened to the people-powered campaign that got us here?  What's up with all these armchair quarterbacks?  

  •  here's the real problem (0+ / 0-)

    if he comes out forcefully against Wright, Wright will fire back and who knows what that guy will say.

    Obama is in a no win situation right now.

  •  I think he is correct about AIDS (0+ / 0-)

    Which I have had for the last 5 years and have been positive for the last 18 years.  Yet for the first 8 years of the epidemic our government denied this plague.  

    I also remember that our country invented the Nuclear Bomb, anthrax as a weapon, mustard gas and ricin as biological weapons, once tried to figure out how to make the enemy "gay" so as to demoralize them and thus win against "extremist muslims", the tuskegee experiments, the recent experiments on fake blood in San Diego area hospitals without patient notification or consent, and our constant fight to discover more weapons (sonar, microwave, etc.) Torture, Pre-emptive war, domestic survielance, etc...)  Oh no.  America would NEVER do anything like that...

    I don't entirely agree that this disease was intentionaly set upon a specific group, but with this country's history it isn't far fetched to believe that the governmnet here would do that.

    And then there are those pesky reports of the Hep vaccines in the late 70's, tested on gay men where the disease first took hold.

    http://salonesoterica.wordpress.com/...

    HIV-AIDS Conspiracy Used Gay Men as Guinea Pigs
    By Alan Cantwell, MD

    Source: conspiracyplanet.com

    There is no doubt that AIDS erupted in the U.S. shortly after government-sponsored hepatitis B vaccine experiments (1978-1981) using gay men as guinea pigs.
    The epidemic was caused by the "introduction" of a new retrovirus (the human immunodeficiency virus, or HIV for short); and the introduction of a new herpes-8 virus, the virus that causes Kaposi’s sarcoma, widely known as the "gay cancer" of AIDS.

    The taboo theory that AIDS is a man-made disease is largely based on research showing an intimate connection between government vaccine experiments and the outbreak of "the gay plague"

    The widely accepted theory is that HIV/AIDS originated in a monkey or chimpanzee virus that "jumped species" in Africa. However, it is clear that the first AIDS cases were recorded in gay men in Manhattan in 1979, a few years before the epidemic was first noticed in Africa in 1982.

    It is now claimed that the human herpes-8 virus (also called the KS virus), discovered in 1994, also originated when a primate herpes virus jumped species in Africa.

    How two African species-jumping viruses ended up exclusively in gay men in Manhattan beginning in the late 1970s has never been satisfactorily explained.

    Researchers who claim AIDS is a man-made disease believe it is much more likely that these two primate viruses were introduced and spread during the government’s recruitment of thousands of male homosexuals beginning in 1974.

    Those of you who would bury your heads in the sand and catagoricly deny that our government could possibly have created this simply choose to forget our governments own history.

    The thing about Equal Rights is that if they are not Equal they are not rights, they are privileges.

    by Burnsey on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 06:57:05 AM PDT

    •  I have legit questions too (0+ / 0-)

      but when Obama is the President he will KNOW the answers to every question - even what is in Area 51.

    •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

      I also remember that our country invented the Nuclear Bomb, anthrax as a weapon, mustard gas and ricin as biological weapons,

       
      I don't remember our country using any of these weapons in an attempt to exterminate 13 percent of the population.
         
      While all of these weapons range from inherently evil to truly, genuinely, positively evil, they were all invented and engineered for purposes of national defense, not as part of a secret KKK program to start wiping out large swaths of the country.

      •  We dropped two of those Bombs (0+ / 0-)

        If you recall, on civilian populations.  One can argue that it was for the larger good, but I doubt those innocent men women and children of nagasaki and Hiroshima might just disagree.

        And I don't argue about the use of the AIDS virus to intentionally kill a portion of the population.  I argue that it is quite possible that the government did in fact invent the virus, intentionally or not.  Also, remember those biological weapons Saddam used on his own folks?  Where exactly did he get that stuff?  OH, YEAH, NOW I remember, from the United States.

        And what about our police brutality issues?  Tasers killing people all the time.  No, our government doesn't intentionally invent things for evil, but their uses by the "free market" economy to which we sell such inventions, allows for their misuse.

        And then ther's our "sales" of military weaponry to parts of the world that use them for nefarious purposes.  All inventions of our Government through the defense department.  Our government does have a lot of experience creating things that end up out of their control.

        Our government is also quite capable of doing bad things with good intentions.  But those intentions don't make the bad things any less real.

        That being said, I still wouldn't want to live anywhere else.  I am free (somewhat anyway) and able to do what I wish, but I still can recognize that our governemnt has it's faults and should be held accoutable, just as we attempt to hold other countries accountable for their own mistakes.

        The thing about Equal Rights is that if they are not Equal they are not rights, they are privileges.

        by Burnsey on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:13:19 AM PDT

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  •  Obama needs to do nothing. (0+ / 0-)

    Wright is not his "problem". He addressed this all back in the speech he gave.
    There is nothing more to say,
    Wright can defend himself and one does not have to agree with everything or anything Wright has to say. I for one agree with allot of what he says, but that's me.
    I also don't think Wright effects Obama.
    They are two different people and voters know it.

    •  I hope Obama's not listening to your advice (0+ / 0-)

      If Obama says nothing in response to Wright, he might as well write off the Indiana primary. Wright is poison. The fact that you agree with much of what Wright says even in the face of the obvious points Obama made about the divisivesness and wrongheadedness of his sermons perhaps explains your defense of Wright even in the face of the harm he's doing to Obama's campaign.

  •  How Many Times? (0+ / 0-)

    Christ, how many times does he have to denounce the same thing?  If any of our friends or acquaintances said something stupid would we have to apologize for them?  How do we control them - not?

    This issue is so beyond stupid, I find it hard to understand why it keeps coming up.  Doesn't anyone understand what is happening in this world, food is becoming more expensive, fuels is more expensive, people are losing their homes and livelihoods, children are starving in NY and Bush says everything is fine.  And here someone is talking about a stupid preacher saying something stupid.

  •  I think he denounced the radical comments (0+ / 0-)

    already, much the same as McCain denounced radical comments of Hagee, while soliciting his help. I just don't think RW websites obsess over McCain and Hagee.McCain ignores it, stays above the fray and moves on. Please move on Obama. Obama and Wright are not conjoined twins and I don't see Obama defending what Wright says, only his right to say it. So? It is a very constitutional view.

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