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  What's Better horse, cow, or chicken manure?  My wife, who used to be married to a big time cotton farmer, says that "gin dirt" is the best fertilizer.  Gin Dirt is from the cotton seed husks left over after ginning the cotton (she says). So anyway have at it and lets get Organic Gardening Open thread planted :)

Originally posted to wargolem on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:41 AM PDT.

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  •  Turned and disced a 20' by 30' (11+ / 0-)

    plot yesterday, today i have been tilling it all morning (3 hours of tilling) i am tired as balls right now.

    Dennis: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed! King Arthur: Bloody peasant! Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway!

    by wargolem on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:42:57 AM PDT

  •  I'm just starting my organic garden. (10+ / 0-)

    For Economic reasons we started a Greenspan Garden.  

    I've found that I really like to garden, and that we are pretty wasteful.

    I mean think about all that water I've been wasting on my lawn!  

    We are thinking about getting a rain barrel now.  I feel like I'm getting a hands on experience in resource management.

    Imagine if more ppl grew just tomatoes!

    Did you know that Obama is responsible for everything ever uttered by a black person and any supporter? Obama-Taking on the sins of the world since 1/03/08.

    by Shhs on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:44:53 AM PDT

    •  i bought "the green gardener's guide today (2+ / 0-)
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      at lowes, but it is more about Green Gardening than organic gardening and has a lot more info on plants than foodstuffs... anyone know a good website or book?

      Dennis: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed! King Arthur: Bloody peasant! Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway!

      by wargolem on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:59:29 AM PDT

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      •  I'm kind of winging it, I use the net (4+ / 0-)
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        I just Google the type of plant like "growing broccoli" and I use my husband's limited knowledge as well.

        I've found a couple of good British container gardening sites and forums by googling.  I love the intertubes!

        Did you know that Obama is responsible for everything ever uttered by a black person and any supporter? Obama-Taking on the sins of the world since 1/03/08.

        by Shhs on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:02:18 PM PDT

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    •  First rule of organic gardening: (1+ / 0-)
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      get rid of the lawn.

      Good luck!  It takes awhile, but eventually you wouldn't dream of even looking at a garden chemical. There are some fine organic pesticides that are herb-based. But usually, plain soap & water are all that's needed.

      An organic garden is the Angels joy.  Bumblees, Ladybugs & Dragonflies enjoying a garden is very gratifying.

      Plant Yarrows, Lavenders, Rosemary, and other small flowered plants around the garden, for predator habitat.

  •  I just finished planting (5+ / 0-)
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    all my homemade earthboxes.  Used organic fertilizer and hope to save a ton of water.  It was a Kossak that turned me on to them.

    "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton

    by shortgirl on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:45:36 AM PDT

  •  I'm hoping to plant my first (3+ / 0-)
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    garden this year. It should be interesting. If only
    Winter would end here in Wisconsin. Haha. One cool tip I read was spraying mineral oil on the silk of corn to keep the bugs from chowing down. We shall see.

    America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. Abraham Lincoln

    by pathman on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:45:51 AM PDT

    •  You can start you seedlings indoors n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      Did you know that Obama is responsible for everything ever uttered by a black person and any supporter? Obama-Taking on the sins of the world since 1/03/08.

      by Shhs on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:49:01 AM PDT

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      •  I was thinking about that (4+ / 0-)
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        but the wife is a little touchy about how things look. I'm more of a "if it's functional I don't care what it looks like" guy. I will probably get some plants going inside soon, I just need to be creative. Wish me luck.

        America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. Abraham Lincoln

        by pathman on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:04:26 PM PDT

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  •  Manure depends on what you are growing (9+ / 0-)

    Chicken manure is very hot - will burn a lot of plants, particularly seedlings. On the other hand, Squash, pumpkins, etc. love love love the chicken. Organic gardening is easy. Lots and lots of organic matter - think three to four inches tilled in every planting, then mulch anything you don't want to weed, then add whatever your soil needs like a general puprose organic fetilizer, then water and your done.

  •  Some tips (8+ / 0-)
    1. Start a compost pile or a worm bin - right now!
    1. Starbucks gives out used coffee grounds to gardeners for free!
    1. Use your dead leaves as an excellent mulch.

    To me, the absolute most important issue ANY of us has, and this nation has, is that we are currently being ruled by a gang of immoral war criminals. -Hornito

    by discocarp on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:47:31 AM PDT

  •  Our organic garden is all in pots! (6+ / 0-)
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    ...at present, until we decide just how to design the garden plan for the backyard.  Looking forward to getting rid of all the grass!  Love to do an edible estate type design, with flowers, too.

    So far we've only got tomatoes, peppers, herbs, scallions, and squash.  The squash are really taking off!  The blooms are so beautiful and we have lots of little squash veggies starting to grow.  Does anyone know if they need a large space in which to grow?  They're growing so fast, I'm sure they'll outgrow the 10" pots really soon!

    My husband built a 3-bin compost pile last weekend (using snow-fencing); it's pretty exciting.  I spent a full day and a half weeding and trimming all kinds of things growing into our yard from neighboring yards.  :(

    Obama's doing particularly well with one important demographic - voters.

    by orangeuglad on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:56:44 AM PDT

  •  Nothing beats compost. (6+ / 0-)

    I had a closed system, self-sustaining garden in Maine that took no outside inputs after the first year. That year, I added lime, greensand and granite dust to offer the plants trace minerals and raise the pH in the heavy clay to unlock the nutrients. I also applied a little gypsum to break up the clay. After that, I planted and tilled in green manures (I held 1/2 of the garden in rotation each year) and side dressed plants with composted henhouse litter (manure and wood shavings) that was so mellow it looked and smelled like peat moss mixed with loam. I also mulched with hay and would let that decompose. After 10 years of this, the garden was producing beautifully and soil tests showed everything was in proper balance.

    Be careful of chicken manure by itself. It's powerful and can burn roots if applied too heavily.

    Democracy void of culture and refinement can very well be called anarchy. Inayat Khan

    by TheWesternSun on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:57:03 AM PDT

  •  I just bought this dried chicken manure called (4+ / 0-)
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    Cock-a-doodle-doo. You want to buy it just for the cuteness value of the name!

    An organic gardener I know swears by chicken manure. Unfortunately, I don't live near chicken farms like he does, so I just bought a 20 lb bag of dried "doo." I'll report on how it was relative to last year later on in the month. I just put in lettuce, spinach, mesclun, and kale. Last year I did it all from seed, but this year I was a little late and broke down and bought the plants.

  •  100' x 100' gardener here! (7+ / 0-)

    Love me some (composted) horse manure!
    Please stay away from the cotton husks; way too much
    pesticide used to grow cotton!

  •  red mites on citrus (3+ / 0-)
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    Hi, I've got some itty-bitty red mites on my potted citrus tree. Any suggestions for organic solutions?

    car wreck : car insurance :: climate wreck : climate insurance

    by HarlanNY on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:01:44 PM PDT

    •  commercial growers introduce (3+ / 0-)
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      a predatory mite called Euseius tularensis which feeds on red mites but doesn't harm plants. Dunno how you'd acquire any of those! It would help to wash the plant thoroughly, let it dry and then spray on Safers Soap, including the underside of the leaves. Mist the plant from time to time, too.

      Democracy void of culture and refinement can very well be called anarchy. Inayat Khan

      by TheWesternSun on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:20:49 PM PDT

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    •  Soap & water spray (1+ / 0-)
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      Are they mites or scales?  I had mites on my Meyer Lemons one year, & though the fruit was warty, they were fine for eating.

      Scales usually appear on branches, & ants farm their honeydew, and create black sooty deposits.  Those need to be washed off with dish soap & water sprayed on them.  Do this when bees and predators are not active.  You can do a light oil spray in the Fall to kill off scales as well.  But don't do it when there will be sun & warmth.  It can cause burning on the plant.  Also, prune off scale infested branches & send them to the city yardwaste recycler.  They'll die in the compost.

      I encourage predators.  I only eliminate  hornet's nests when they get too close to the human areas.   I have Lavenders, Rosemary, & other small flower plants around the garden to provide habitat for predators to flourish.  I rarely have any plant eating bugs causing major damage.

      I'm a bit lazy in the composting dept, and usually buy an organic compost called 'Paydirt', which incorporates chicken manure.  I lay it down several weeks before I plant in spring.  After planting, I don't feed until the vegie plants have established a good root system & show good growth, & while they're small, I pinch off the flower buds, so that they won't fruit too soon.  Then I apply organic fertilizer.

      Sluggo and Escar-Go! are excellent snail & slug controls.

      I have used BT for caterpillars on some vegies.

      I don't recommend Neem.  It kills bees & other beneficials.  Water jets or soap & water is usually good enough to get pests off the plants, but a good stable of predators is the best.  The annual Springtime Ladybug mating orgy is a wonder to behold.  And fat, healthy dragonflies are awesome.  

      Know your insect friends,  they  work 24/7.  I never kill a spider or hornet unless there's no other option.  We often poke around the garden together, & rarely get in each others' way.

  •  In Ohio Mijers sells Organic plants (2+ / 0-)
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    I was shocked.  

    Did you know that Obama is responsible for everything ever uttered by a black person and any supporter? Obama-Taking on the sins of the world since 1/03/08.

    by Shhs on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:03:24 PM PDT

  •  Planning ahead for vine borers (7+ / 0-)

    Vine borers can ruin a squash crop so fast.  This year I am going to try something I read about.  When  the borers are in the flying stage they are attracted to the color yellow.  I am going to paint some laths yellow and apply petroleum jelly.  They are supposed to land on it and get stuck.  Sure hope it works.  

  •  heh, just starting the garden still (3+ / 0-)
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    Getting a privacy fence later this month though... then, the whole backyard will be flowers, native plants, and vegetables - we've got plans for a couple rain barrels, and a couple worm compost bins... No more stupid back lawn, and no more chemlawn getting sprayed on me and my dog when I'm gardening, and no more idiot next door spraying roundup on our native plants (or looking at his completely dead flower garden alongside his house - nothing but mulch and dead bushes, thanks to him being too lazy to weed, and using roundup instead).

    Not much in the garden yet - radish seedlings, onions, a little bit of garlic... beet, carrot, lettuce, and spinach seeds planted (hopefully beans and squash next week). Of course, we'd started asparagus two years ago - got a couple meals out of that last week.

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