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Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who has endorsed Mrs. Clinton, defended her remarks in a telephone interview Friday evening. "I’ve heard her make that argument before," Mr. Kennedy said, speaking on his cell phone as he drove to the family compound in Hyannis for the holiday weekend. "It sounds like she was invoking a familiar historical circumstance in support of her argument for continuing her campaign."

Mr. Kennedy said he has been traveling and had not seen the video or read Mrs. Clinton’s comments, but said his support of Mrs. Clinton has not wavered.

Hillary Clinton has been called a Racist, A destroyer of the Democratic Party, A war monger, and so much more.  There are few, if any, left on Dailykos who bother to defend her, or if they do it is with such timidity that it loses any cogency.

Knowing well that on this site the antipathy towards Hillary Clinton has reached the level where passion has overwhelmed perspective, I will be the fool who rushes in where angels fear to tread.  

The implication is that she is insensitive to the real risk of assassination of Barack Obama and that by bringing up RFKs death, she is tacitly......what?   Is she hoping for it?  Does her ambition have no limits?  Or is she continuing to campaign so that if such a tragedy were to occur she would be accepted as the replacement nominee.

Of course she is ambitious.  And you do have to be a little crazy to subject yourself to the personal risk of running for president, or for being in public life for that matter.  While Obama faces this risk, there is something we don't acknowledge, so does she.  Every one of those speeches where there are thousands of people rushing the podium presents risk that one of them may want to see her dead.

Her comment today was an unartful rendition of what she had said with more sensitivity in the past.

In a March interview with Time magazine, she said:

"Primary contests used to last a lot longer. We all remember the great tragedy of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in June in L.A. My husband didn't wrap up the nomination in 1992 until June, also in California. Having a primary contest go through June is nothing particularly unusual."

Whether this allusion is self serving, or even a distortion of the similarities between 1968 and today, this comment brought no criticism of her motives.  So, yes, it became a talking point, that when repeated with less sensitivity seems callous.  

She has issued a full apology:

"I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation and in particular the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that whatsoever."

Someday soon the Democratic party will have to begin to heal if we hope to defeat John McCain.  Those 49% who prefer Senator Clinton must feel welcome into the party that will be led by Senator Obama.

This over reaction to her ill chosen words will make this reconciliation that much more difficult.

Enough is enough.

Originally posted to ARODB on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:51 PM PDT.

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  •  What Clinton and her supporters (17+ / 0-)

    do not get, is that this wasn't just insulting to RFK, but primarily Obama.

    The Clintons are corrupt selfish race baiting zero character scumbags. I'd rather be run over by a tractor-trailer than willfully vote for any Clinton again.

    by IhateBush on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:55:36 PM PDT

  •  THAT (12+ / 0-)

    statement she made was not an apology!  It is not an overreaction.  I would have reacted the same way if some one said the same thing about Senator Clinton or Senator McCain.

    "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." -Plato

    by Snickers77 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:55:45 PM PDT

    •  I was very upset at first (5+ / 0-)
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      TNforkerry, koNko, justCal, arodb, loralei

      She shouldn't have said it but I do think that Kieth, Kos and blog world went way overboard.

      I think that it would have been nice if she would just once admit to making a mistake. I know that's not to be as Bill Clinton's motto is "Better to be strong and wrong than right but weak"

      But still enough is enough.  let it go, please.  Self righteousness  does not become us.

      •  I agree (2+ / 0-)
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        Kitty, arodb

        it was a horrible, ghoulish mistake to invoke RFK as a reason to stay in, and it's hard to believe that Hillary Clinton could make such a mistake, but I refuse to believe that she was really trying to imply that she's staying in on the chance Obama is killed.  I haven't been fond of her tactics, but this goes beyond what any reasonable person should think she's capable of.

        I think it shows how terribly she's already offended people with other poorly phrased remarks, but we should still give her the benefit of the doubt.  She should offer a clearer apology, but we should let it go.

        •  IF. (0+ / 0-)

          If she makes a real apology she deserves the benifit of doubt.

          I won't hold my breath waiting.

          When harmonious relationships dissolve, respect and devotion arise; when a nation falls to chaos, loyalty and patriotism are born - Daodejing (paraphrased)

          by koNko on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:30:27 AM PDT

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      •  I don't know, Kitty... (0+ / 0-)

        Here's how I put it in my letter to her just now:

        No presidential candidate concerned about national security would invoke as a rationale for remaining a candidate the possible assassination of her political rival.

        The deeply emotive reaction to her comments I think reflects very reasonable fears not just of the grotesque contingency she invoked, but of the spiraling madnesses that would follow.  I'm not sure what Barack and whatever court he selects will be able to do in the face of the challenges upcoming, but I do know any unfortunate demise of his would be every bit as damaging to our national security and Constitutional health as the losses of MLK and RFK were in '68.

      •  I am more upset (1+ / 0-)
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        koNko

        with her non-apology than the actual statement.  I don't believe that she is staying in the race in case something happens to Obama.  But what she said was very insensitive and hurtful to alot of people, the least of which is Barack and his family.  She owes them an apology.  I am not trying to be self-rightous, but she has been offensive and dismissive to many people during this campaign, she has not once apologized, for this, she should have.

        "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." -Plato

        by Snickers77 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:45:01 PM PDT

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        •  Ditto. (0+ / 0-)

          She's used this more than once, and I'm willing to believe it comes from somewhere deep in her subconcious.

          But she needs to examine that. And to be realistic about the implications regardless of her intentions.

          That she is unable or unwilling to do that is at least troubling.

          No Prisoners - No Vote.

          When harmonious relationships dissolve, respect and devotion arise; when a nation falls to chaos, loyalty and patriotism are born - Daodejing (paraphrased)

          by koNko on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:35:16 AM PDT

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      •  Agree KO went overboard. (1+ / 0-)
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        Kitty

        That's his sctick. That's how he gets ratings.

        And for the want of a real apology, Cinton has it comming.

        When harmonious relationships dissolve, respect and devotion arise; when a nation falls to chaos, loyalty and patriotism are born - Daodejing (paraphrased)

        by koNko on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:28:43 AM PDT

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  •  She's not stupid (10+ / 0-)

    but she is weary, and she can be vicious.

    And her weariness is letting her viciousness escape more often, and in less appropriate ways.

    She needs to get out of the race, and take a long vacation.

  •  Not an apology (14+ / 0-)

    "She has issued a full apology:"

    You don't link to an apology. You link to an "I'm sorry if anyone was offended." That isn't an apology. An apology is:

    "I apologize for the words I used and the way in which many people understandable interpreted them. I did not mean to hurt anyone with my comments, which I still believe are factually appropriate. However, I recognize that they did not come across as they were intended to, and for that, again, I apologize."

    •  It's worse. "I regret you are wrong." (0+ / 0-)

      That is the tone. And that is foolish.

      When harmonious relationships dissolve, respect and devotion arise; when a nation falls to chaos, loyalty and patriotism are born - Daodejing (paraphrased)

      by koNko on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:36:56 AM PDT

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  •  Overeaction? Hardly. It's not a valid historical (10+ / 0-)

    comparison in the first place so that's not a good excuse and makes no sense as a reason to stay in.

    Man. Some "progressives" make Archie Bunker look like Tim Wise.

    by JayGR on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:59:27 PM PDT

  •  I'll spot HRC a mistake... (9+ / 0-)

    But to me, the apology needed to be broadened in effect to say, "I of course did not mean my remark as a threat to Barack Obama or his family."

    If I compared George W. Bush to Ronald Reagan in such a manner as to imply they were both Presidents who might get shot at, do you think I'd get a visit from the FBI or the Secret Service? I might. And that's why I'm offended by the apology, because it was directed at the wrong person.

    I appreciate the chance to comment in your diary. If you had a jar, I'd tip it.

    •  I'm too sensitive to put up a tip jar (8+ / 0-)

      sensitive spelled "COWARD"

      •  Please add a snark tag to your diary (1+ / 0-)
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        trying to excuse her bringing up assassination as a reason for her staying in the race, indeed.

        I'm kind of stalling for time here...They told me what to say. George W Bush, 03-21-2006 10:00 EST Press Conference

        by Tamifah on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:04:53 PM PDT

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      •  What will it take for Clinton "apologists" to (3+ / 0-)
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        Tamifah, koNko, soms

        acknowledge the depths to which Clinron has delved in search of the nomination?  Is there any rhetorical device which you would consider "beyond the pale"?  

        "Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come." Victor Hugo

        by lordcopper on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:08:34 PM PDT

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        •  Her statement that she and McCain... (1+ / 0-)
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          koNko

          have experience and Obama "gave a speech." was beyond the pale.  That was a calculated leveraging of a Republican's assets to harm a fellow Democrat.

          She lost points for me for that one.   But I can't see this RFK thing in the same light at all.  It was a gaffe, pure and simple.

          It is illogical for her to foment killing a candidate for president, since she happens to be one herself.

          And BTW, I'm not a Clinton Supporter.

          •  If an average citizen were reported to the Secret (0+ / 0-)

            Service for making statements such as these, they would be given the law enforcement version of a proctological exam.  Why is that someone who wants to be the "leader of the free world" is held to a lesser standard?  I'll tell you why.  It's because  the punditocracy puts their personal relationships (I'll scratch your back and you scratch mine)before ethics and honesty, otherwise they would "call her on the carpet".  And too many voters engage in the "politics of personality and identity", rather than the serious work of civic responsibility.

            "Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come." Victor Hugo

            by lordcopper on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:32:00 PM PDT

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      •  I'll tip you (3+ / 0-)
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        Tamifah, arodb, soms

        for your bravery.

        The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. - 9th Amendment

        by TracieLynn on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:08:40 PM PDT

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  •  Her deliberateily-chosen words are the problem (4+ / 0-)
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    peraspera, koNko, lordcopper, soms

    and they are something that I, personally, am going to have a very hard time forgiving her for

    The only thing should could do any worse at this point would for her to flat-out say 'pick me over the n*****'

    I'm kind of stalling for time here...They told me what to say. George W Bush, 03-21-2006 10:00 EST Press Conference

    by Tamifah on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:59:51 PM PDT

  •  I would be shocked if any of the Kennedys (4+ / 0-)
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    bornadem, koNko, alba, soms

    make a fuss over this publicly. Robert, in particular, must work with Hillary politically as a US Senator. The Kennedys are tough realists when it comes to polictics. However, Hillary will now be shut out privately from their family circle even if the younger Kennedys might forgive her. Ted, however, will never forgive what Hillary said no matter what he might say publicly.

    •  I think he's got more on his plate (2+ / 0-)
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      bornadem, koNko

      than worrying about Hillary Clinton

      I'm kind of stalling for time here...They told me what to say. George W Bush, 03-21-2006 10:00 EST Press Conference

      by Tamifah on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:03:45 PM PDT

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    •  Robert Kennedy defended her (0+ / 0-)

      in the NYT

    •  It's beneath them and unnecessary. (0+ / 0-)

      They probably wish this would go away. They have to deal with the facts on a personal level and it can't be easy comming at this moment when Ted Kennedy is dealing with a potentially fatal illness.

      I hope for them, for that reason, that this does not spin on too long.

      Clinton is dead in her tracks. Let it be.

      When harmonious relationships dissolve, respect and devotion arise; when a nation falls to chaos, loyalty and patriotism are born - Daodejing (paraphrased)

      by koNko on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:43:41 AM PDT

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  •  Reading this (4+ / 0-)
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    lordcopper, BasharH, soms, Munchkn

    It sounds like she was invoking a familiar historical circumstance in support of her argument for continuing her campaign.

    made me feel pretty sad. It's such a shame that he has had to learn to accept his father's death as a political mile-marker for some people.

    •  He's a better person than she is (2+ / 0-)
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      Losty, NoisyWithdrawal

      Reading it reminds me of the best qualities of our leaders (similar to Obama with Wright) - I feel that RFK, Jr was probably disheartened and offended by her remarks but he knows that the election is over in two weeks and he doesn't need to throw her from the bus, she's already thrown herself.  I'm sure if she continues on this vein and doesn't get out by June 5, he would work behind the scenes to let her know it's over.

    •  I think he knows her better (0+ / 0-)

      He knows her as a person, not just a candidate.  The candidate made a grievous mistake, but I'm not surprised that people are willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.  It was a horrendous error, and has cast a pall over her campaign, but let's recognize it for a horrendous error, not a malicious hope that something horrible happens.  Even Hillary Clinton is not that evil!

      •  HRC certainly is that ambitious (2+ / 0-)
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        koNko, arodb

        This is the fourth time she's brought up RFK when the length of the campaign is mention.

        Maybe she doesn't conciously want blood, but these people are not exactly like us.  They have a different experience of life and death decisions. They've sent troops into battle and ordered the bombing of peaceful cities (Belgrade, for one).

        Her whole psyche is driven to incredible feats of endurance by this one goal, and when whe sees it slipping away one cannot be surprised to see the dark side of this incredible force bubble out as the goal recedes.

        Remember Gollum from the Lord of the Rings?  A simple hobbit, Smeagol, and look what power did to him.

      •  She is that blind. And combative. And selfish. (0+ / 0-)

        Yes, It was a mistake.

        Does she recognize that?  In what way?

        Her response externalizes it. And fails to deal with it.

        I hope for the sake of the Kennedys this does not drag out too long. They have more importiant things to deal with.

        Ditto the Obamas.

        Stand down Hillary. You have made a mess of things. Enough.

        When harmonious relationships dissolve, respect and devotion arise; when a nation falls to chaos, loyalty and patriotism are born - Daodejing (paraphrased)

        by koNko on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:58:17 AM PDT

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  •  My mommy taught me wrong. (12+ / 0-)

    She taught me that an apology goes, "I'm sorry.  I said that, but it came out wrong.  I should not have said it, because it's not what I meant."

    But obviously, apologies go, "If any of you wimpy thin skinned losers took that wrong, it's not what I meant."

    "2009" The end of an error

    by sheddhead on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:09:11 PM PDT

  •  you call that an apology? (5+ / 0-)
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    koNko, Fast Bike, costello7, soms, Munchkn

    you have pretty low standards

    A vote for Obama is a vote for the world : YES WE CAN!

    by oscarfrye on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:09:31 PM PDT

  •  There is no chance of unity unless y'all defect (2+ / 0-)
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    koNko, costello7

    from the path she's chosen for you.
    It's incompatible with our party.
    It's not you or HRC that is the problem.
    It's the path, the behavior.

    That's unconditional.
    I hope you join us because there's too much at stake to piss it all away.

    Again, you are welcome.

    What's the matter with Hillary?

    by chicago jeff on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:12:02 PM PDT

  •  I'll just say I agree with this post (5+ / 0-)
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    Kitty, justCal, think blue, arodb, loralei

    I've been defending her statements today, something I never do.  I have gotten so angry at her campaign for the last several weeks and months that my parents had sometimes told me I was getting too obsessed with the campaign- but I really had to stand up this one time, because I think people are blowing this out of proportion.  You and I may not get the respect for this- but I still think we're right.  We have gone overboard, and it doesn't speak well for Obama supporters.

    •  Not sure if I agree (2+ / 0-)
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      housesella, costello7

      I agree that she didn't call for his assasination, but I think the outrage that has been expressed is, as KO stated much more eloquently, the public has forgiven her numerous, numerous misstatements for which she never really apologizes but keeps spouting new and egregious ones. And then her husband and a select group of devouted followers tell us that she has to be on our ticket.  And she makes this kind of statement when we're being told she'll be a heartbeat away from the Presidency.  It was the proverbial final straw and we're not taking it anymore -- the flood gates have opened.

      Look at full video of her interview with Argus Leaders -- the RFK statement was the worst but not only Rovian statement she made.   By gosh, she again brought up Karl Rove's math to say why she'd win.   She emphasized that she beats McCain and McCain beats Obama.  She only backstepped slightly when asked if Obama could win to say, "Anything can happen" (very faint praise indeed).  She praised McCain and called him her friend.  SHE CONTINUES THIS CAMPAIGN OF DISUNITY LONG AFTER SHE HAS HAD NO CHANCE OF WINNING.

      •  Oh, I agree with most of that (3+ / 0-)
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        koNko, justCal, arodb

        It's these repeated gaffes and ridiculous claims which make me not support her candidacy- we don't need a million more ridiculous statements following us into the general election.  I don't want her for VP either.  But this was a gaffe- a stupid mistake, a desperate plea which should have been thought through- but not the evil musings of a witch, which is what it has been interpreted as.  We have to take the high road on this, and not keep claiming she has such ulterior motives when there's no proof she has.  I could be wrong- but I just don't think she wanted to bring this up for the reasons others are saying.  I haven't liked her statements, or her popular vote deception- but to say that she's suggesting that Obama might be assassinated, and that she's saying it hopefully, is to suggest something truly sinister.  And I disagree with that suggestion, when it clearly didn't come from her mouth.

      •  anything can happen (0+ / 0-)

        including a lucky bullet, eh? Repulsive!

      •  KO went overboard. (0+ / 0-)

        Not on the facts, but in the delivery.

        Sometimes his acusatory style is a bit much and undermines the points he's making, which are usually well-reseached and valid.

        If he was less handsome he wouldn't get away with it. Mrs Ko will give me a black eye if she reads this. KO ranks No 3 in her book of western dreamboats after Clooney and Pitt. Pity I of the evolving hairline. Screw those guys and their $1000 haircuts and muscles.

        Sometimes I think they grafted too many genes from Paul Harvey's tongue to KO without the sense of irony that informed his theatrical delivery.

        Good Day!

        When harmonious relationships dissolve, respect and devotion arise; when a nation falls to chaos, loyalty and patriotism are born - Daodejing (paraphrased)

        by koNko on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:13:33 AM PDT

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  •  A valiant effort to defuse the mushroom cloud... (3+ / 0-)
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    And you do have to be a little crazy to subject yourself to the personal risk of running for president, or for being in public life for that matter.  While Obama faces this risk, there is something we don't acknowledge, so does she.  Every one of those speeches where there are thousands of people rushing the podium presents risk that one of them may want to see her dead.

    I agree that you have to be more than courageous to want to run for the Presidency.  However, with this statement you appear to be equating large crowds with assassination attempts.  I suppose the probability is higher that something will happen when the crowds are larger.  But he also has Secret Service protection, which Senator Kennedy didn't have in 1968.

    You say that Clinton merely chose some unwise words.  Can you not recognize why people are having the reaction they're having?  I was born long after 1968 but that doesn't prevent preclude my having a deep-seeded sense of what kind of a trauma an assassination of a presidential candidate will do to the public.

    Can we agree that there is no correct time to ever use the word "assassination" in connection with the name of any presidential candidate?

    You are free to defend Clinton insofar as she really isn't preaching harm to fall on Obama.  I can believe that.  I don't think Clinton wants anything to happen to Obama.  But defending her words as just another instance of misspeaking is entirely wrong.  That's a cowardly way for her to deny any implications with what she's said.  She's holding Bobby Kennedy's damned Senate seat, for heaven's sake.

    Someday soon the Democratic party will have to begin to heal if we hope to defeat John McCain.  Those 49% who prefer Senator Clinton must feel welcome into the party that will be led by Senator Obama.

    I don't mean to make you feel unwelcome under an Obama campaign.  But I fail to see how decrying Clinton's latest pronouncements equates to being unwelcoming to Clinton supporters.  I welcome Clinton supporters to our campaign, but I'm not going to swallow Senator Clinton's vitriol to make you feel more welcome.  I tried that and got slapped with more wasted time in our mutual fight against Senator McCain.

    Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come -- Victor Hugo

    by BasharH on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:18:14 PM PDT

  •  Nobody's Perfect... (3+ / 0-)
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    Everyone makes mistakes.

    It is how they deal with the mistake once it has been made that tells me more about the character of the person.  

    While the comment was inappropriate and idiotic, the "apology" was abysmal.  

    Suspend your candidacy, Senator, and go get some sleep.  You'll need a rest so you can campaign for Obama and the party through the GE.

    We will expect this of you.

    •  Agreed (2+ / 0-)
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      koNko, Fast Bike

      Tweety said the tone of her apology showed how serious she felt about it.   BUT if you look at the entire Argus Leader interview, she had that same affect during the entire interview.   She needs sleep and a long vacation -- dropping out of the race now, will allow her to recuperate and our Dem Party to recover.

      •  Yeah, I saw that. (0+ / 0-)

        The first thought that went through my mind was not that she was thinking "Oh, I screwed up", but "what state am I in, and is there more coffee?"

        What I wanted to hear from her was, "I said that in a way that could almost not have been worse, and I am sorry, not only to the Kennedy and Obama families, but to all those who understand the impact that the terrible losses of that period have had on Americans for so many years."

        Or something like it.  But she doesn't really ever apologize.  That would be showing weakness.  And ol' Tweety buys into the theater of it all, and ignores the lack of substance and character.

        •  She's running on auto-pilot (1+ / 0-)
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          koNko

          That's why I think she made this horrible mistake.  Her political philosophy has always been don't admit an error, and she's sticking to it, but I think it has more to do with the fact that she is overwhelmed by her campaign and no longer knows why she is staying in herself.  I admit, I feel kind of sorry for her and the firestorm swallowing her up right now.  She's run a mean-spirited, gutter campaign, but I don't think she planned this.  

    •  This is what is wrong with Clinton (2+ / 0-)
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      koNko, Fast Bike

      the lack of an apology to the Obama family.  A recognition of how people heard her comments.  A willful tone deafness.  

    •  She's made the same statement 4 times now. (0+ / 0-)

      She's been fixated on the assasination of the Democratic frontrunner for a long time now.

      (no time for cites on this, but they're all over the net, sorry)

      This is like Bosnia, not "misspoken," but deeply woven into her Hillarycentric fantasy-world.

  •  Her contempt for BHO (0+ / 0-)

    just another manifestation contempt for the black guy who would dare to deny her the nomination which was rightfully hers. How dare he, who does he think he is to take himself seriously. In her mind she owes him no apology

  •  To broaden this (1+ / 0-)
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    discussion a bit, remember that not so long ago, Mike Huckabee was making "inappropriate jokes" at the NRA conference (or whatever that was).

    Coupled with news reporting on this subject and an obvious subtext that has been floating around at least since the time when Obama was offered secret service protection at such an early stage, while assassination is always a possibility for world leaders, assassination in the context of an Obama presidency just seemed, I dunno, that much more relevant. Like many unpleasant truths, let's not deny that. It's in the air, so to speak.

    But knowing it's in the air, or knowing that a Republican FORMER candidate was out making jokes (and then apologizing--and honestly, some days I think Huckabee likes Obama better than Clinton does), you should know, as a politician, to zip it.

    Perhaps she is that evil or venal or cynical. Fine--if I were in her position, I would be at least sketching out some "assassination scenario". I would. That's not really the point.

    The place where she will get hammered, and rightly so, is that even if you're thinking such things, you don't say them. Someone who is a skilled politician--someone who is qualified to be president and be "presidential" would not say such a thing. Maybe Bush, at the height of his powers, could get away with saying such a thing (Bush got away with an incredible amount, after all). But Hillary Clinton isn't playing to that audience and doesn't have those powers.

    Barack Obama will only become president if enough people pay attention, so pay attention, dammit!

    by JMS on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:57:20 PM PDT

    •  Hostile readings... (0+ / 0-)

      as opposed to "friendly readings"

      HRC is quite limited when whatever she says is construed in the most nefarious way.  And that's what happens on this site.

      Try to imagine being in the political arena, and having to deliver the same message time and time again.  There are those who will construe any comment about race as "racism" and any comment about limits to any program, IE the GI Bill, as being callous to the suffering of this group.

      I answered one comment that asked where I drew the line with her statement a few months ago, that she and McCain had experience while Obama had a  "speech."

      This was crossing the line, and was no gaffe.  Today's satement was a mistake, it was a tired, poorly crafted expression of her take on history.

      RFK's son had it about right.

    •  Exactly. (0+ / 0-)

      She just doesn't get it.

      When harmonious relationships dissolve, respect and devotion arise; when a nation falls to chaos, loyalty and patriotism are born - Daodejing (paraphrased)

      by koNko on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:21:45 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  She is a Racist, War-Monger and ALL THE ABOVE (0+ / 0-)

    You are an apologist. I've written a diary about it because I am sick of you people making excuses for her!

  •  Union with Pro-Clinton forces (2+ / 0-)
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    The upside of this situation is that it may help many Clinton supporters to see the side of her that disturbs so many others, and that they will recognize that she may not indeed have been the best choice for obtaining the goals of our party.

    For that reason, the outrage must be driven home  throughout the holiday weekend.

    To let this slide under the table would do the worst damage to real party unity by encouring doubts that the party may not have acted wisely.

    But we do need assure HRC voters that an Obama presidency will bring progress in the the two areas which were the main pillars of support for HRC, the deep desire for power for women and the great nostalgia for the economic success of the 90's.

    Hillary didn't have to have policies in these areas, she was the embodiment of them.  Barack will have to work harder.

    •  One would hope so. (0+ / 0-)

      But I think her hardcore supporters will see this as yet another victimization.

      This is tireng.

      When harmonious relationships dissolve, respect and devotion arise; when a nation falls to chaos, loyalty and patriotism are born - Daodejing (paraphrased)

      by koNko on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:25:17 AM PDT

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  •  Then Why Did (0+ / 0-)

    She say it?

    And for that matter, a string of other pretty weird and off color remarks the past week?

    JOsh at TPM mentioned awhile back that Bush and his gang had OD' on hubris long ago, and were living in a sort of Political Twilight Zone where their own reality was all that mattered.

    CLinton has been a resident of that Zone for awhile now herself.  Bill crashed and burned there back during the South Carolina primary.

    RFK Jr. said pretty much what you'd expect him to say.  He's a classy guy, and did nothing to insight further damage on either side.  But, I'm gonna guess that he is in no way happy about Clinton tossing around such talk.  Having personal experience, he must be concerned about Obama's safety and such comments can lead to tragedy.

    No folks, Clinton is no Bobby Kennedy.  She is closer, however, to the likes of Dick Cheney or Karl Rove.  Guess she figures her approach to winning the nomination includes an 'anything goes' clause.

    Seriously, I worry about her wanting to be near the office of President, and, even before today's comments, just hope Obama doesn't offer the VP spot to her.  I am still one of those who believe that giving another ambitious Senator the job back in 1960 cost JFK his life.  Given that Clinton has been factoring that in herself, I wouldn't do anything to encourage them.  God only knows what power mad people like the Clintons would do to get back in power.  Personally, I wish the FBI would consider the comments she made today a threat, and begin a formal, criminal investigation.  Just to be safe.

    God, what has our system come to?  Look at what the Clintons are doing to our party, and our country?  We don't need a female President this bad, do we?

  •  The title of this diary uses the word "murder" (0+ / 0-)

    correctly and where it is deserved. This kind of accuracy is rare when an emotional topic is thundering through this echo chamber. Without even reading it (I don't care about this topic), I am recommending it.

    I voted with my feet. Good Bye and Good Luck America!!

    by shann on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:10:10 PM PDT

  •  Regardless one's candidate choice, regardless all (0+ / 0-)

    the other rhetoric, there are a few questions that I'd like to be answered.

    Why do people from both political partys hate the cLintons?

    If Hill is the primary winner, won't the repubs and a goodly amount of democrats vote against her?

    How can anyone, including the Clintons, ignore the hate?

    Wow, even repubs dislike McCain but he doesn't create the amount of hate the Clintons bring with them.

    WTF?

    Hillary Abramoff Clinton, part of the Tan family.

    by 0hio on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:10:58 PM PDT

  •  The non-apology apology... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    Essentially "I regret it if someone misinterpreted what I said."

    •  I found it more revealing than the original (1+ / 0-)
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      statement.

      Eugene Robinson called it "gibberish". It was frighteningly incoherent coming from someone who thinks she is qualified to lead our country.

      I am puzzled by her continued need to use Kennedy/assassination imagery in her statements, but I also feel that this statement--while tacky and tone-deaf--was really only a statement about coninuing a primary into June (the uproar over the "assassination" language has overshadowed the fact that it was another willfully deceptive characterization of the current race and another embarrassing attempt to paint herself as a victim).

      I found the non-apology more disturbing. Partly, as I said, because it made no sense. But mostly because it continued the pattern that Clinton has shown of being unable to admit a mistake or take accountability for any action.

      The only votes that count are the votes that Hillary counts....

      by Azdak on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:35:12 PM PDT

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  •  My PROBLEM (0+ / 0-)

    IMO, the RFK reference was insensitive and ill advised, but I didn't think she meant it in an offensive way- so I'd have been perfectly willing to get all about it.

    What got me upset was the statement she issued as an "apology". All I expected was a little sensitivity and awareness- something to the effect that she UNDERSTOOD this was a charged election and that her remarks were insensitive to both Senators Kennedy AND Obama.

    I can forgive a gaffe, but the non apology GRATES on my nerves.

  •  She had time to make an intellegent response. (0+ / 0-)

    She did not do so. She made a non-apology that will only dig the hole deeper.

    Clinton's relentless combativeness makes me wonder about her ability to lead.

    It doesn't take much emmotional intellegence to understand how her remarks could be interpreted and where it would lead. Her cold response is ultimately self-defeating.

    Here's how you do it:

    "I'm sorry if my remarks have hurt the Kenndys in any way, it was not my intention to do so. I have badly misspoken and regret doing so. I would also like to carify my remarks were not intended to suggest any harm to Mr. Obama. Please accept my apology, I will chose my words more carefully in the future. Thank you."

    Instead of (in essence):

    "I regret you don't understand me."

    When harmonious relationships dissolve, respect and devotion arise; when a nation falls to chaos, loyalty and patriotism are born - Daodejing (paraphrased)

    by koNko on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:24:20 AM PDT

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