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Just finished reading a diary by Kloris about Harold Ickes using "hijacked" to describe the Clinton campaigns quibble over four delegates was completely inappropriate.

In case Ickes forgot, which is impossible with CommanderGuy TM in the White House, those four planes on Sept. 11 were all hijacked. The difference is that Ickes used hyperbole to express mock indignation and in doing so offended millions of Americans.

Ickes is a certified douchebag for daring to compare his candidate's situation to Sept. 11.
I take it personally, you see because a close family friend was killed when one of those "hijacked" planes crashed into the Twin Towers.

The only thing Hillary Clinton has lost is her dignity. She wasn't going to win anyway, despite the numbers from the pollsters, because as Mike Dukakis and John Kerry could tell you, the real election is actually held in November.

So far Clinton "supporters" have compared the FL/MI situation to  slavery, the Holocaust, a Zimbabwean election, and the 2000 recount. Each of those is offensive in using dramatic bullshit to express outrage concerning a position that Hillary Clinton had agreed to last year and said to NHPR that the Michigan vote was "meaningless" is ridiculous.

Moreover, Bill Clinton, said two months ago that the Michigan delegates should be split.

That the race to the nomination was that close is a testament to the hardball skills of the Clintons and their "supporters. Yet at the same time, the behavior of the Clintons and their "supporters" alienated millions of Democratic voters and helped push them into the Obama camp.

Why quibble over four delegates anyway? This is an argument that the Clintons simply can't win. The delegates have been allocated. It was a decision worthy of King Solomon, but it was also the correct one.

I hate to point to the Republican Party as a voice of reason and fairness, but the RNC decided to punish both Michigan and Florida by stripping them of half their delegates for cutting in front of other states. That was a reasonable decision and therefore so was the decision yesterday by the Democratic Party's RBC.

The anger Clinton supporters should be directed at party officials from Michigan and Florida for supporting the move. Florida Democrats will claim that they voted (overwhelmingly) to move up the primary because it was part of a comprehensive election reform bill that created a paper trail from electronic voting machines. That maybe so, but whether it was an omnibus bill or not is irrelevant because they DID vote to move up the primary.

Michigan has tried for several elections to move up its primary date and the irony is that had the primary been on Super Tuesday, Hillary would probably have had a 10-15 point win.

IMO, HRC had no intention of following the agreement her campaign signed last year. Michigan was an ace in the hole so to speak and once every other candidate removed their names from the ballot, she could bank those delegates if she were ahead or use them to cut the deficit as was the case.

This has NEVER been about disenfranchised voters because millions more would have voted in both states had they been anything more than a "beauty contest." Don't the votes of those citizens matter too?

Apparently not to Harold Ickes and the Clinton campaign.  Shame on them.

Originally posted to Dirk McQuickly on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 11:01 AM PDT.

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  •  Ickes is an asshelmet (16+ / 0-)

    but I think you're going overboard suggesting it was an intentional comparison to 9/11. It seems to me he's just tossing out every hyperbolic synonym that comes to mind.

  •  Indeed, Hillary has held us all hostage... (3+ / 0-)

    Don't worry about Ickes, his days as a figure in the DNC are numbered.

    •  Ickes/Space Shuttle coverage juxtaposed (2+ / 0-)
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      dennisl, David Kroning

      Yesterday, MSNBC and CNN managed to cover both the RBC and the space shuttle launch.  Ickes rant reminded me of the flameout of the auxiliary tanks before they are released to Earch.  Ickes has one final burst with what is left in the tank, and then he can be sent crashing down to Earth.

  •  Too much of a reach here. (7+ / 0-)

    Not everything is about 9/11.

    "There is one man who knows in his heart that we have to build one America - not two - and that man is Barack Obama." John Edwards 5/14/08

    by TomP on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 11:05:37 AM PDT

    •  Sounds like old Rudy G... (0+ / 0-)

      "not everything is about 9/11 (whispering again 9/11) so just stop mentioning 9/11 (whispering again 9/11)" Forgive my snarkiness. Or not.

      "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams."-Eleanor Roosevelt

      by left coast newbie on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 11:37:36 AM PDT

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  •  words have different meanings and colors (4+ / 0-)
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    Savage, katieforeman, ripzaw, discocarp

    for instance, on any given day the word is used here as in:

    "hey man, quit hijacking my fucking diary/thread!"

    "I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend." - Thomas Jefferson

    by Jeffersonian Democrat on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 11:08:56 AM PDT

  •  I'll just assume this is poorly done snark (4+ / 0-)

    and move on.

    Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar. Edward R. Murrow

    by Pager on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 11:09:03 AM PDT

  •  They all have brainwashed themselves! But to (1+ / 0-)
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    Kentucky DeanDemocrat

    the rest of us -- Ickes and his club members are just plain nut jobs.

  •  You're basically right (1+ / 0-)

    but it's a serious stretch to claim that anyone who uses the word 'hijack' is referencing 9-11.  

    It's a useful word in a lot of contexts and there's no need to be sanctimonious about it.

    Ickes is being a complete dipshit of course.

    Fear is the mind killer

    by Sun dog on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 11:15:38 AM PDT

  •  My comment from that thread: (0+ / 0-)

    Hijacking is a code word. Harold, you may have lost a kidney back when you were on the good side, but you've completely turned now. You full well know that hijack is a code word meant to play on people's fears. That you'd use it against the first African American nominee for President shows that your conversion to the dark side is complete. Any good you may have done 40 years ago is wiped out by this shit. You'll always be remembered as an asshole unworthy of your grandfather's name now, you bastard.

    Obama/Casey, my personal dream ticket.

    by The Bagof Health and Politics on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 11:24:38 AM PDT

    •  Actually he is the son of Harold L Ickes, (0+ / 0-)

      the FDR cabinet member.  I know, hard to believe - the son of a man who voted for Theodore Roosevelt in the Bull Moose party!  But our Harold M Ickes is almost 70, and his father was 65 when he was born.

      I agree the word hijack was used and repeated in order to rabblerouse, to pander, to sow dissension.  Such shameless hackery at the top is another obvious factor in the failure of Clinton's campaign.

      But at least Ickes demonstrated once and for all that the Clintons no longer own the democratic party.  Yet another unintended consequence in a campaign filled with them. That being said, I didn't think 9/11 when Ickes said "hijack" - I just thought "asshole"

      * "If you're going to play the game properly you'd better know every rule." - Barbara Jordan

      by jarotra on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 12:09:17 PM PDT

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  •  Meh. (0+ / 0-)

    To be completely honest, my problem with the decision wasn't really that it favored Obama over Clinton, but that it legitimized the Michigan primary at all. Seriously! She was the only major candidate on the ballot! How can any rational person believe that it should count?

  •  Don't Hijack "Hijack" (2+ / 0-)
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    ripzaw, Mikeguyver

    Look, Clinton referring to RFK's assassination was indeed a disgusting reference to the very real possibility that someone will assassinate Obama, which she revealed is on reason she's using to rationalize staying in her otherwise impossible nomination campaign. Saying "assassination" in that very precise context is an unacceptable line of discourse, especially when it isn't true (she could just "suspend" a campaign in favor of Obama's presumptive nomination that would instantly be the nominee's if Obama were indeed assassinated).

    But just because someone hijacked planes in 2001 doesn't mean the word "hijack" now means exclusively a forced takeover of control of a plane, when used in any context. The word "hijack" can be used as figuratively as it has been for generations, and is used every day without referring to 9/11/2001. Maybe using the word in late 2001, or even in 2002, or in connection with actual terrorism, is in bad taste unless it's accurate, but we're past that kind of tragic paralysis now.

    This kind of hairtrigger on "hijack" just surrenders the word to terrorists. Don't do it. And don't surrender your sense of proportion in discussing real outrageous political diatribe.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 11:26:07 AM PDT

  •  Icky is a real DC creep. (0+ / 0-)
  •  The only thing that was hijacked was (0+ / 0-)

    his honesty and integrity. I loved it this morning with Tim Russert when Russert asked him to remember last December when Icky made Russert repeat that it was about the delegates.  Blink, pause, stammer, punt.  game over, loser go home.

    Strong unions for a strong America

    by realwischeese on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 11:49:04 AM PDT

  •  Terry McAuliffe is on CNN right now- (0+ / 0-)

    McAuliffe just stated that he "supports Ickes 100%".
    Hillary's delegates were stolen, voters disenfranchised, looking at all options, blah blah blah
    Donna Brazile is trying to do some damage control, but this is really looking bad.
    Brazile just offered to give Hillary her vote (as a superdelegate) if it would convince them to "show some love".  I don't think they have any love to show.
    This is sheer lunacy-- and no one benefits except John McCain.

  •  Ickes: Donkey raping shit-eater (0+ / 0-)

    He's also an uncle fucker too.

  •  I fixed your name tags (0+ / 0-)

    Please do not use last names only.  The Tagging guidelines request that when names are used both the first and last names should be included (with no titles), and in cases like the George Bushes - the middle initials are essential.

    Also, you cannot use "/" in tags - you can't use a lot of punctuation like quotation marks or question marks or slashes.  I replaced "M/F" with the state names and then added other tags used in diaries discussing yesterday's meeting.

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