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Go on the Offensive Obama.

Obama was once quoted saying he would bring a Gun to a Knife fight if the ReThugs and the McCain camp went after him. Well it seems that Obama Gun isn't clicking very well and maybe it's time for him to upgrade and find something that might work better than what he as got. Weeks of Character assassination by the McCain camp and what's the Obama camp doing? In my mind they're still playing this above it all politics which is a sure loser come November, soaring rhetoric and above it all politics might have worked in a primary but shit like this doesn't work in a general.

That Obama quote if any one remembers was a quote the Sean Connery character said in the movie Untouchables. The Connery character was making a larger point that when your opponents come after you, you just don't seat back and let them bitch slap you continously you need to take the fight brutally back to them. The Connery character also said "They send one of your guys to the Hospital make sure you send one of theirs to the Mug".

Obama needs to not worry about what the fucking media in this country would say if he started going after McCain brutally, sure they would say his new kind of politics message as gone out the window but didn't you guys think the scum in the media are gonna say that at some point during this campaign anyway.

Look I know with Diaries like this people always complain about being a Chicken Little cry wolf type of sought.

But I'm not a Chicken Little wannabe, I'm just some guy who wants us to win this election badly and in the process kick some serious McCain ass while in the process.

Fight back hard Obama, go on the offensive. Bring that Gun you promised you would bring to the Knife fight. Fuck all the Wing nuts. Show them you've got some balls which I know you do.    

Originally posted to Voodoo king on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 12:33 PM PDT.

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  •  Take the fight to 'em Barack! (2+ / 0-)
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    jenontheshore, daq3405
  •  Stop it... (14+ / 0-)

    Really, enough already.  Just because you want to see Obama engage in a steel cage match with John McCain, does not mean that is the best way for us to win.

    McCain is doing more damage to himself than to Obama with his latest flurry of ridiculous ads.

    McCain is, above all, trying to bait Obama into engaging in a fight over ridiculous issues--like racial double standards--that will turn off the very voters that Obama is courting, the white middle and working class.

    Stop sreaming for us to walk into an ambush.

    Try as you might, you cannot spell HOPE with the letters GOP.

    by David Kroning on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 12:40:07 PM PDT

  •  Good point--does it apply to US and Iran, too? (2+ / 0-)
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    David Kroning, Anubis Bard

    If Iran (through its Hamas/Hezbollah proxies) fires ten rockets or missiles at Israeli civilian centers, should Israel or the US fire twice as many rockets and missiles at civilian targets in Iran?

    I wouldn't favor this, but it sounds like you would, following the wisdom of the Sean Connery character that Obama was quoting.

  •  A mud-slinging contest is what they want. (6+ / 0-)

    It's the one hope they have since they lose on every issue.  Yes, Obama needs to better control the narrative, but not by getting in the gutter with McCain.

    His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. --Mark Twain on G.W. Bush.

    by Anubis Bard on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 12:41:40 PM PDT

    •  He needs better surrogates. (0+ / 0-)

      I don't think their message coordination and use of free media is all it could be.

      Hillary's people really did a better job of that in the primaries and it doesn't seem like they learned anything from it.

      There's still time, though. Frankly, i think they're waiting until after the conventions to really get at it.

  •  Look I'm no political strategist (5+ / 0-)

    and neither are most of the people on here.

    Let's chill and see what Axelrod and Obama have planned. I'm hoping to see some really awesome ads for the Olympics.

    I think they are using some kind of strategy. It sucks not knowing what it is but I have faith. I met some strangers today who came to my house to buy some ceiling fans. The guy was white and had a lot of tattoos. His wife was Latina. They drove a big truck. He asked how much I'd sell my Obama-HOPE sign for that's in the window. I was so happy. They live outside of Austin, TX but knew where the volunteer headquarters for was. Obama is inspiring a lot of people and bringing us together. People power is what wins elections not a media narrative.

  •  You can't have new politics (1+ / 0-)
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    without a new media. Obama has to realize that as long as the media responds to the same old dog whistles, he's going to have to get down in the mud and fight it out.

    McCain's 3AM ad is really a Flomax commercial.

    by jhecht on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 12:53:05 PM PDT

    •  If he does...we lose. It is as simple as that... (2+ / 0-)
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      and frankly, I don't understand why many people around here have not gotten that point yet.

      Try as you might, you cannot spell HOPE with the letters GOP.

      by David Kroning on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 12:54:40 PM PDT

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      •  Residual Swiftboat Trauma (1+ / 0-)
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        2004 wounds have not healed.

        Mommy always told me there were no real monsters, but there are -- Newt.

        by fearisthemindkiller on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 12:59:27 PM PDT

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      •  Maybe because Dems keep losing elections (3+ / 0-)
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        by not doing it. I'm not saying Obama needs to start lying and making ludicrous connections, like McCain is doing. I just find it strange that he can't discuss the actions of his opponents with the same candor as he discusses the issues. McCain is a liar, and he and his campaign are going to continue to lie until Obama calls them on it.

        McCain's 3AM ad is really a Flomax commercial.

        by jhecht on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 01:01:45 PM PDT

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      •  There's a subtle way to attack (1+ / 0-)
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        that Obama usually is pretty good at - without falling into mud-slinging.  

        I think the most important thing for Obama is to shift the focus off "race" as an issue, to more direct comparisons between Bush/McCain.  Goad McCain into overreacting (like he did on the age issue with the "confused" comment) and then when McCain cries foul, don't bother defending Obama's initial attack, just shift the attack again using subtle digs (to being too Bush-like, misusing campaign funds, etc).  That way McCain is kept on the ropes, offering "meta" explanations for Obama's attacks, much in the same way that Obama is currently on the ropes on a losing issue for him - race.

        "I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords..."

        by pawlr on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 02:17:04 PM PDT

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        •  I'm looking forward to the debates (1+ / 0-)
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          Someday, JSM and Obama are going to be on the stage together, providing people a real look at both of them.  And there won't be any comparison.  

          Till then, it's just shadow boxing, and McCain is already losing.  

          How many wrongs does it take to make a right?

          by pdknz on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 03:51:54 PM PDT

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    •  I don't follow your logic (1+ / 0-)
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      Why can't the new politics come first?

      "They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it is not half so bad as a lot of ignorance." - Terry Pratchett

      by st minutia on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 12:57:47 PM PDT

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      •  The media shapes the narrative (0+ / 0-)

        And when most of the media conglomerates are owned by right wingers, don't expect the political terrain to change first. They are getting just what they want from Republican economics.

        McCain's 3AM ad is really a Flomax commercial.

        by jhecht on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 01:03:58 PM PDT

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        •  and you think the right wing media (3+ / 0-)
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          doesn't want Obama to get in the mud with McCain?  that is exactly what they want.  exactly what will put Obama on the same level as McCain, exactly what will sell newspapers and airtime, exactly what will continute to allow the right wing media to operate the same old way it always has.

          The media is not going to just change of its own accord.  It has to have an impetus to change.  maybe Obama's new politics can bring that change, maybe it can't, but one definition of insanity is to keep up the same behaviours and expect a different outcome.

          "They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it is not half so bad as a lot of ignorance." - Terry Pratchett

          by st minutia on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 01:13:19 PM PDT

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      •  it always comes 1st (1+ / 0-)
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        Christ this is 1932 all over again. I love it.

        FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

        by Roger Fox on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 01:27:01 PM PDT

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    •  1990's thinking (2+ / 0-)
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      Paul Wellstone spent his life proving that wrong.

      Negative campaigning well will run dry for Rove and MCCain.

      Novembers winner will be the campaign that has stepped ahead of that curve. Republicans have gone to the same well for 28 years, history shows us that the well does indeed go dry at some point.....

      FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 01:03:31 PM PDT

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      •  The problem is this can't go unquestioned (0+ / 0-)

        There are still too many people who believe that if you don't fight back, then the once perceived lies must be the truth.  Simply depending on all voters to know the difference will never work.

        •  Thats not whats going on (1+ / 0-)
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          After Wellstones death, Wellstone's family started Wellstone Acton, they run Camp Wellstone, a traveling 3 day political seminar. I highly recommend it.

          Wellstone was outspent 7-1, but still won.

          Camp Wellstone teaches how to run a campaign, like Wellstone, and Dean, and Obama. Deans 50 state plan is straight out of Camp Wellstone.

          SO when I see Obama doing nearly everything right, I know why. Its the same way I run my campaigns.

          Last year I upset 3 school board members, dumped all 3,  & I got $1000/wk for that.

          FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

          by Roger Fox on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 04:41:38 PM PDT

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          •  Was Wellstone facing the Rovian attack machine? (0+ / 0-)

            This is the third time in a row I've seen this movie, actually fourth.  Clinton responded to attacks so they weren't able to stick.  The rest unfortunately are in the dustbin of losing campaigns for POTUS.
            I actually prefer the way Obama is trying to stay above the fray, but unfortunately it goes with some big risks.  Just ask John Kerry or Al Gore.  I will defer to your experience in political campaigns but IMO, there is a big difference in running for a national office and running for Senator of a single state.  That said, I truly hope that whatever tactic Obama and Dean use works, because this country can't  handle another 4 years of republican governance (sic), especially as incompetent as the existing one.

  •  NO, No , No. (1+ / 0-)
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    You've got it all wrong...Obama said he wants to duel...No knives or guns, just swords!

    Treat folks with no respect and be treated as if you are without respect.

    by fhamme on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 12:53:17 PM PDT

  •  What George W. Bush has instilled in the American (1+ / 0-)
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    electorate....KICK ASS AND TAKE NAME. If I had a penny for each time I fell for this I would be a billionaire by time the primary was over. It dawned on my that not only was I buying in to the cave man theory, "survival of the fittest", "politics is a dirty business", "politics was a contact sport", but I was encouraging it by my own actions.

    Being a bad-ass doesn't really count as being tough.  That's why we have 2 freaking wars and NOW WE KNOW HOW DUMB-W got 2-terms. He won the battle, and lost the freaking war both of them, because we've got this Johny Wayne complex going on and this has to stop.  When we get overheated with this nonsense it just feeds the beast.  And here we go again feeding the beast of ignorance.  I want a president who is cool not dumb, I want a president who is smart and smooth, I want a president who is thoughtful and all the other stuff that makes a great statesman.

    If we get a hard-on each time Old McInsane sputter or run an ad on some dumb shit we reinforce that message: In order to appear strong we must be the baddest MotherF&** in the ring. That is soooo 20th century.  The PR we want to cultivate is smooth and smart..Lets educate Billy Bob and the rest of the backwood idiots that this  is so over with and only really dumb people go around bullying people.  And point out Dumb-W each time.

    Let's get away from the Vince McMann (WWF) We are not voting on a wrestling match we are voting for a goddamn president.  If we want a Kick Ass president.....Where's Mike Tyson, he's not brightest bulb in the pack, but he was once the baddest motherfreaker in the ring.  Take your pick.  

  •  The best run campaign in 3-4 decades, frickin (2+ / 0-)
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    cardinal, csquared

    Please go to Camp Wellstone for the 3 day political training and read also some George Lakeoff.

    Things will then be much clearer.

    FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

    by Roger Fox on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 01:10:08 PM PDT

  •  this is not a fight, not yet... resist the bait (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Friday on Smackdown, (0+ / 0-)

    former WWE champion Edge slugged Mick Foley in the face, knocking him senseless. Edge then dragged Foley onto a table, climbed a fifteen foot ladder while holding a metal chair, and jumped into his helpless opponent. Upon landing, Edge sent the unconscious Foley smashing headfirst into the ring floor. As Edge glowered triumphantly, Foley lay crumpled on the canvas.

    When you urge enhanced aggression against McCain, are you advocating Obama do something like that? If so, it certainly would dispel swing voters' doubts about whether the Democrat is tough enough to handle that runt Ahmadinejad.

  •  I hoping they're saving it up... (0+ / 0-)

    ...for after the convention.

    The conventions are very late this year, and there will be a sprint to the finish line.

  •  I edited the tags. (0+ / 0-)

    You needed commas, not periods. The periods made them link to one entire page for the keyword that included everything listed, which made no sense.

    Economic Left/Right: -3.88; Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.79

    by joshc123 on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 04:59:47 PM PDT

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