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Mostly outrage is being expressed here about John Edwards' admission of having an affair. A sampling from the previous thread:


Fuck John Edwards.  I have zero respect for his self-serving ass.

I don’t really care what he does in his private life.  If he wants to screw around, fine.  I don’t agree with it, obviously, but it’s ultimately between him and Elizabeth.

But he chose to be a presidential candidate, cheating on a wife with cancer, and then running for the Democratic nomination with that fact tucked away waiting to break out as an October surprise.  Not only is that an incredibly selfish act, but he could have single-handedly given us another 8 years of Republican rule if he won the primaries.

His hubris makes my blood boil.  To think that he ran with this thinking he wouldn't endanger not just the presidency but this country too is just repulsive.


I'm not going to listen to anyone who says "oh, this is just between him and Elizabeth" because that's not how we treat Newt Gingrich.

And second: what if he had become the nominee and this came out?  He would have basically handed the presidency to the Republican nominee.

Self-serving egomaniac with a distinct lack of moral fiber.

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He had an affair, THEN asked us to nominate him.

He's not getting any more invitations to my Christmas parties, that's for sure.

I am SO glad he's not our nominee. But he put us all at risk by asking running.

And some objections to the expressed outrage:


WELL over 50% of married people have affairs. Especially men. McCain as well, but there's no massive MSM shock over that one. We can judge and throw rocks all we want, but dismissing someone for an affair is way overblown.

I'm stunned to see this place explode like this.


Jesus, you'd think JE was the first politician to have an affair, when they've been doing it for thousands of years.

Is it wrong? Yes. Does it erase all the good things about JE? No.

He's not evil. He just made a huge mistake. It's one he should have to pay consequences for, but it's certainly not an unforgivable sin.

And, of course, the top recommended diary right now by David Mizner:

This is none of our business.

This is an American sickness, this need to know--the belief that we're entitled to know--about the sexual lives of politicians.

But but but, you don't have a problem with the sex, you say, you have a problem with his lying about it. Yeah, that's what Ken Starr said too.

And a counter-argument to the recommended diary, this comeback by Meteor Blades:

You’re an asshole, John Edwards. Adultery is a private offense, of course, a matter to be resolved between you and your wife. How she chooses to deal with this ought not to be something that holier-than-thou pundits argue she should behave the way so many did in the case of Hillary Clinton in regards to Bill’s philandering. If she forgives you, as millions have done for their straying spouses, then count yourself lucky.

But I don’t forgive you. And I suspect many of your long-time supporters will not either. How can we? Your betrayal of us and the Democratic Party was not a private matter.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:41 PM PDT.

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  •  Edwards had some harsh words for Bill Clinton: (82+ / 0-)

    "I think this President has shown a remarkable disrespect for his office, for the moral dimensions of leadership, for his friends, for his wife, for his precious daughter. It is breathtaking to me the level to which that disrespect has risen."  -- John Edwards, Feb. 12, 1999

    "My chief political consultant will be my conscience." - Theodore C. Sorensen

    by 0wn on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:43:10 PM PDT

  •  Why a take two (1+ / 0-)
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    Just a getting a baseball team and get more bats.

  •  John (17+ / 0-)

    betrayed his supporters and he betrayed the Democratic party.

    The rest is between him and Elizabeth.

    •  You forgot his country. (23+ / 0-)

      He betrayed his country by running.  Imagine if he had the nomination right now instead of Barack.  We'd be fucked, and inaugurating John McCain come January.  

      I used to be a huge Edwards supporter.  I was wrong, and I'm glad he got his clock cleaned.

      Keep it in your pants Barack.  Please.

      An agnostic not because I don't know if there's a God, but because I don't care.

      by filmgeek83 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:51:01 PM PDT

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      •  I was an Edwards supporter, too. (5+ / 0-)

        I feel silly now.

        I could have been a soldier... I had got part of it learned; I knew more about retreating than the man that invented retreating. --Mark Twain

        by NogodsnomastersMary on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:07:03 PM PDT

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        •  I feel deeply angry (4+ / 0-)

          He said the right words and looked the part.

          Sincerity and authenticity matter and he seemed with his talk of the 2 Americas and his anti-poverty message to be serious.

          He wasn't at all serious because he knows just like pretty much everyone here knows that this would have torpedoed his candidacy.

          Now where does his anti-poverty crusade go from here?

          What a chump!!!!

          Henry Wallace (1944): "The American fascists are most easily recognized by their deliberate perversion of truth and fact."

          by TNThorpe on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:13:32 PM PDT

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          •  Where Does His Anti-Poverty Crusade Go From Here (2+ / 0-)
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            Why we all carry it forward, of course. Who - supporters of Edwards, Clinton, Barack - would dump the issue because of this?

            I have no use for tolerance. I consider it only slightly less insulting than intolerance. Give me justice! [Dr. John A. Moore, 1871-1946]

            by IrascibleFachna on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:28:28 PM PDT

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            •  Yes and No (0+ / 0-)

              Are you a nationally prominent leader, gifted at public speaking, connected to the media, business leaders, and public service organizations?

              I'm not, and yes, of course, onward, but he was a public face for an absolutely crucial issue and is not easily replaced. He could have been a powerful voice, but it's hard to see how that's going to happen now.

              So, I do take your point and I'm not despairing, but I'm angry to see someone so talented do something so typical and stupid.

              Henry Wallace (1944): "The American fascists are most easily recognized by their deliberate perversion of truth and fact."

              by TNThorpe on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:38:04 PM PDT

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          •  Edwards, Kerry, McCain vs OBAMA MAN (0+ / 0-)

            One reason I wasn't for Edwards and was for OBAMA right from the start was Edwards lives in a big fancy Estate with a McMansion, like John Kerry, another guy I was NOT so thrilled with the Dem. Party picking as their candidate! Especially with the rich weird wife, Teresa Heinz.

            John McCain is kindof the John Kerry of the Repub. party, isn't he? He's got a rich wife, Kerry had a rich wife.  Barack OBAMA and his wife live like ordinary Americans, & they have "walked the walk" & don't put on "Airs" or spend obscene amounts of money on stupid stuff. Michelle's DRESS she wore for that stupid "VIEW" show she had to do, cost under $200. They are a couple who show Common Sense & know what it's like to NOT have a lot of Money!

      •  I agree (3+ / 0-)

        I too was an Edwards supporter. I don't give a shit about people's private lives for the most part but the POTUS cannot make these kinds of mistakes. It's like Clinton's "I didn't inhale" or "I didn't have intercourse with . . ." It's ridiculous. If you want to be president of the United States, you have to be better prepared.

        "True peace is not merely the absence of tension -- it is the presence of justice." MLK

        by dhaemeon on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:13:46 PM PDT

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        •  Yeah but don't you realize what you're saying? (0+ / 0-)

          Clinton "didn't inhale", but he was elected.  Clinton had tons of affairs, but he was elected.  All the people crying about how this would cost us the election are just being idiotic.  

          Don't like XOM and OPEC? What have YOU done to reduce your oil consumption? Hot air does NOT constitute a renewable resource!

          by Asak on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:27:34 AM PDT

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          •  Nah (0+ / 0-)

            I think you're being idiotic (your term).

            He wasn't an admitted adulterer when he won his first term (thanks to Ross Perot), and, as for the second, he was running against Bob Dole.  Bob Dole, for fuck's sake! We could've put up Pee Wee Herman against Dole and won in a landslide!

            If nominated, it's an extremely safe assumption that this affair would've negatively impacted John Edwards at the polls come November.  And it would've destroyed his ability to campaign and talk about the issues.  You think it's dominating news coverage now...

            Whether or not he'd have taken a hit big enough to actually cost him the election is debatable.  But as close as these things always are, who here wants to take that chance?  Apparently Edwards was willing to take the nomination and leave the rest to chance, which has a lot of peeps rightly infuriated.

            I tried to convince people to support John Edwards back in the early primaries. Everyone who resisted always remarked that he seemed too slick and untrustworthy. Turns out they were right.  I was wrong.  John Edwards made a fuckin' fool out of me.

    •  John Edwards on the Lewinsky scandal (3+ / 0-)

      Interview with the Raleigh News and Observer:

         I think this President has shown a remarkable disrespect for his office, for the moral dimensions of leadership, for his friends, for his wife, for his precious daughter. It is breathtaking to me the level to which that disrespect has risen.

  •  He has not only hurt his family... (24+ / 0-)

    He hurt those who believed in him and supported him.  

    His campaign manager, David Bonior:

    David Bonior, Edwards' campaign manager for his 2008 presidential bid, said Friday he was disappointed and angry after hearing about Edwards' confession.

    "Thousands of friends of the senators and his supporters have put their faith and confidence in him and he's let him down," said Bonior, a former congressman from Michigan. "They've been betrayed by his action."

    Asked whether the affair would damage Edwards' future aspirations in public service, Bonior replied: "You can't lie in politics and expect to have people's confidence."

    "The struggle of humanity against power, is the struggle of memory against forgetting." -- Milan Kundera

    by LV Pol Girl on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:43:51 PM PDT

    •  "betrayed"? (5+ / 0-)

      I really don't get using such harsh, judgmental language.

      Hasn't anyone here known people who had affairs?  It happens.  They're still normal people, the people you know and like, they don't become monsters just because they have an affair.  It's just disappointing... and often to some extent understandable when you know the circumstances.  In my experience, an affair is universally a symptom, not a cause.  

      Lighten up on Edwards.  He's a good guy and a great politician.  His sex life is not our business.  Neither was Clinton's, or Kennedy's, or anyone elese's.  Let the right wing jump on this, but let's be a little better than that.  

      No matter how cynical you get ... you can never keep up.

      by LegalSpice on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:50:50 PM PDT

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      •  It's not the sex that bothers me. (34+ / 0-)

        It's not the lying that bothers me.  It's that he knew about these things, kept them from us, and still ran for president, knowing full well that if this came out it would destroy the electoral chances of the entire Democratic party.

        That's the betrayal.

        An agnostic not because I don't know if there's a God, but because I don't care.

        by filmgeek83 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:52:43 PM PDT

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        •  Bingo (4+ / 0-)

          That's the only thing that bothers me in this mess, but it bothers me a lot.

          (OK, that's an exaggeration.  It does bother me whenever I hear of anyone being unfaithful to his or her spouse, and I'm also a little pissed at how much the Rethugs will use this to slime all Dems.  But the thing fg83 points out is, for me, The Big Deal.)

        •  destroyed the party's chances? I'm skeptical (1+ / 0-)
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          but reasonable minds can differ.

          remember, the public couldn't have cared less when Clinton's sex life was all over the airwaves.  his approval ratings stayed high, polling on this specific point showed the public didn't care.  only the pundits and other politicians cared.  

          based on that, and al-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l the other well-known people throughout history who've had affairs, as well as the fairly common knowledge Edwards was never going to be the candidate (I say this as an Edwards supporter)...  with respect, I think the allegation is a bit exaggerated, if perhaps just from the "heat of the moment".  

          No matter how cynical you get ... you can never keep up.

          by LegalSpice on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:09:23 PM PDT

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        •  Agreed, same thing with Clinton (0+ / 0-)

          I could care less that Bill Clinton had an affair or sexual liasion or whatever the hell it was, I am disgusted and angry he lied about it.

          I could care less if John Edwards had an affair. I am angry and disgusted he lied about it.

          I would have more respect if both Bill Clinton and John Edwards had just admittied it and took responsibility for their actions but not lied.

          The one thing we know about the McCain that they're very good at negative campaigns, they're not so good at governing- Barack Obama

          by wishingwell on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:54:52 PM PDT

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      •  Exactly (1+ / 0-)
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        What the hell do we know? Maybe his wife has had several affairs as well! Maybe they have a marriage of convenience. Who are we to comment on it?  

        "True peace is not merely the absence of tension -- it is the presence of justice." MLK

        by dhaemeon on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:16:37 PM PDT

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        •  It was sure portrayed otherwise (0+ / 0-)

          What with the anniversary dinner every year at Wendy's.

          And I'm not certain that if a couple has a "marriage of convenience" that they do their children any favors by being in the national and world spotlights.

          But I am not qualified to comment about the actual marriage they have.

          •  Wouldn't it be healthy (2+ / 0-)
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            and liberating if in American culture we simply didn't bother with this stuff? Obligatory dinner at Wendy's? Most of Europe is that way and they seem to be doing ok!

            "True peace is not merely the absence of tension -- it is the presence of justice." MLK

            by dhaemeon on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:00:47 PM PDT

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      •  Betrayed was exactly what I felt about Spitzer (6+ / 0-)

        He was gonna clean up the corruption in NY. Kickin' asses and takin' names.

        All that time he was prosecuting people for prostitution, he was doing it himself. Whether I accept prostitution or not, the State AG was breaking the law, and condemning others for the same thing.

        Then rather than back someone (whomever it might be) to run for Gov of NYS, he went ahead and did it himself, apparently thinking it would never come out and be an issue.

        It was pretty clear that his wife was in front of the cameras afterward for reasons other than thinking he was the greatest guy in the world. She looked devastated.

        I have to say, as much as it kills me to say it, that I am sorry to learn that Elizabeth knew about the affair and still campaigned for him. She's an intelligent woman. She had to know what the consequences could be for their children, for the Democratic Party, and for our country.

        I backed Edwards and now I am truly disappointed.

        And after Spitzer, my 20 y.o. daughter said, "hey, all politicians are scum."

        What else is she supposed to think?

        •  Elizabeth Edwards (5+ / 0-)

          I agree, I'm not sure Elizabeth is that much better. She could have stopped him from running, or at least made him publicly confess before he ran in 2008. I mean, he's worse, but she could have prevented total disaster but didn't.

          •  I'm sorry but these sentiments are pathetic (1+ / 0-)
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            Apparently even people on the left believe that affairs are one of the worst crimes that exist.  If someone has had an affair apparently they are the lowest form of human garbage, worse even than a murderer.  

            Just because someone is human and makes a mistake apparently doesn't mean they should flush all their other aspirations down the drain, and should forget about even trying to help anyone else.  

            This sort of thinking is really sick.  

            Don't like XOM and OPEC? What have YOU done to reduce your oil consumption? Hot air does NOT constitute a renewable resource!

            by Asak on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:31:55 AM PDT

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    •  exactly. I feel for his supporters. (14+ / 0-)

      He lied to them too.

      But here's what we have to do with this.

      Tell Republicans we know:  "I could never vote for a man who did something like that.  If I was undecided and it was between him and McCain, I'd have to sit out the election."

      We have to make McCain's adultery stick to him the same way.  

      And also:  Obama & family are so "square" that square is the new cool.  Family values personified.  

      •  Right - at least Edwards stayed with his wife - (4+ / 0-)

        not like that sleazy flyboy, McCain.

        They're all so fond of themselves, these fellas.

        "The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity." W B Yeats

        by stonepier on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:57:27 PM PDT

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      •  Well I think that's bullshit (0+ / 0-)

        I don't care if Edwards slept with a hundred women.  I'd still have no trouble voting for him over McCain.  I don't vote for someone based on their sex life, I vote based on what they actually stand for.  By presenting that line, even if it's a lie, you are just buying into the Republican's bullshit, where personal smears are more important than the real issues.  

        Don't like XOM and OPEC? What have YOU done to reduce your oil consumption? Hot air does NOT constitute a renewable resource!

        by Asak on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:33:33 AM PDT

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    •  Elizabeth should remember Eleanor (0+ / 0-)

      When thinking of a public woman who had been wronged Eleanor Roosevelt comes to mind. From the devastation of an affair, she built a remarkable public career.

      Many of us can relate to the burn of being cheated on, but if put into perspective people can move on and soar.

      Of course Eleanor Roosevelt's experience was different in that the not only was the affair hidden from public view, but it was on-going.

      What we can all benefit from is we could gain a giant sized regard for Elizabeth. And with the issues she champions this could be a good thing for this country in the end.

  •  He says the baby isn't his (10+ / 0-)

    but the Enquirer reported he visited the mother last week.

    Why is he visiting a new mother in a hotel room if he isn't the father?

    This may get worse.

  •  it's just sad (6+ / 0-)

    all around.  I hope they can come to some peace as a family.

  •  Time to tell Bill Clinton he can't speak @ Denver (7+ / 0-)

    He had an affair too, and denied it for quite some time if I do recall. And he denied it under oath!

    So who is worse, Bill Clinton who lied to a court, or John Edwards who came clean on his own (he didn't even have to come clean).

  •  And I just sent that bastard a Jet-Ski, too! (16+ / 0-)

    Okay...I didn't really...but if I did, I'd be pissed.

    Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:45:03 PM PDT

    •  I... guess. (1+ / 0-)
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      What do vegetarian zombies eat? Graaaaaaaaaaiiinnns.

      by droogie6655321 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:45:57 PM PDT

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      •  At least everyone's getting their righteous (4+ / 0-)

        indignation out today, while the rest of the world moves on.  Sure, Edwards is stupid for cheating on Elisabeth (whom I admire greatly for her strength and courage and wit)...but I want this story to go away quickly, and right now there are literally thousands of juicy comments about Edwards that those who want to knock the Democratic party down can choose from to quote...and quote they will.

        Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

        by darthstar on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:51:28 PM PDT

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    •  How's about $1300 ??? (6+ / 0-)

      And helping him in New Hampshire, while Obama was really the guy who needed to get the knock-out.

      Hillary got to bleed the Democratic Party for six months, because Edwards split the anti-Clinton vote.

      Apart from South Carolina, Edwards always hurt Obama.

      Dixie Chicks, Amy Winehouse, Imus, and Rev. Wright. Overcome our evil with good.

      by vets74 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:52:36 PM PDT

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      •  Oddly, someone else posted that he hurt (1+ / 0-)
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        Hillary in Iowa...I don't think rehashing the primaries is going to do anyone any good at this point.  Obama won (as he should have) and he did it with the same 'Edwards factor' that Hillary did...though I do think you have a point about New Hampshire.
        Hillary: 38.99%
        Obama: 36.39%
        Edwards: 16.91%

        Had more than half of Edwards' votes gone to Obama, the 'comeback kid' meme would have never surfaced.

        Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

        by darthstar on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:00:39 PM PDT

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  •  What a scumbag (9+ / 0-)

    I don't care he betrayed us.. I'm used to that in our politicians.  Obama will some days too.  As would Hillary or anyone on the other side.  They're politicians.

    But the fact that he betrayed his cancer-stricken wife?  That's no better than McCain.  And they're both scumbags of the highest order.

    "Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided." --Barack Obama, June, 2008

    by oldskooldem on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:45:21 PM PDT

    •  I now understand folks staying home Election Day. (4+ / 0-)

      If he had become the nominee, as much as I loathe Republicans, I'd have a helluva time getting to the polls to pull the lever.  It would be a very hard slog.  Thank God he lost the primaries.  Thank God.  

      "Lawyers, I suppose, were children once." To Kill A Mockingbird

      by DC Scott on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:02:14 PM PDT

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      •  That's really great (0+ / 0-)

        So another hundred thousand Iraqis can die under our occupation because you couldn't handle someone's having an affair?  Some of you seriously need to get some much needed perspective.  

        Affairs are bad, but in the scheme of things they are pretty fucking inconsequential.  

        Don't like XOM and OPEC? What have YOU done to reduce your oil consumption? Hot air does NOT constitute a renewable resource!

        by Asak on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:37:41 AM PDT

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        •  Apparently you don't read well. (0+ / 0-)

          I'd have a helluva time getting to the polls to pull the lever.  It would be a very hard slog.

          Whether or not I'd make it there is unknown and unknowable because he's not the candidate.  What is knowable is that Edwards is a f**king liar.  Who almost threw this country into endless war under McCain because he's a f**king liar.  What he's done to his girlfriend and wife is inconsequential to me.  What he almost did to the Democrats and this country is beyond belief. Work on your own perspective.

          "Lawyers, I suppose, were children once." To Kill A Mockingbird

          by DC Scott on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:00:12 PM PDT

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  •  "Its a conspiracy" deniers look pretty dumb now. (5+ / 0-)
  •  Utter disappointment aside... (25+ / 0-)

    Isn't this a good time to point out McCain's treatment of his ex???

  •  There's an upper limit on how much I care,... (8+ / 0-)

    ...and I'll have hit it by suppertime.

    Three words: Charles Stewart Parnell.

    And they though it was the end of the world. It sounds like the first chapter of Portrait of the Artist in here.

    Now there's a Parnell Street, or Sráid Parnell, or Parnell Bridge, or the like, in every town in Ireland, though they were bigger prudes, at the time, and later at the time of the various dedications,

    And don't get me started on Vice-Admiral the Viscount Horatio Nelson, KB..

    "The country we carry in our hearts is waiting." Bruce Springsteen

    by Davis X Machina on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:46:28 PM PDT

  •  Heh. We needed a second front-page (9+ / 0-)

    thread about this?

    Funny. Must have hit a nerve.

    Because I thought everything there was to say pretty much had been said at this point...

  •  What I really need to know is (7+ / 0-)

    how much did John Edwards last hair cut cost?

    "Quote me as saying I was mis-quoted." Groucho Marx

    by Pinko Elephant on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:46:51 PM PDT

  •  Nice, quick recap of hot issue! (3+ / 0-)
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    recced thanks SusanG

    ...there's a rose in the fisted glove and the eagle flies with the dove - Stephen Stills

    by NuttyProf on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:46:54 PM PDT

  •  He disgusts me. (3+ / 0-)
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    As you all know, I have never liked him.  I once called him a communist.  But now that he admits to an affair while his wife suffered from cancer, he is a cretin in my eyes, no better than Newt Gingrich.

    He is done in the party.  

  •  Mizner speaks for me (6+ / 0-)

    I supported Edwards, and this pisses me off, but he's not the nominee, so I don't give that much of a shit.

    Edwards could live or die, and I'd still support the policies he has championed. I have supported them all my life, before I ever heard of John Edwards.

    One John Edwards more or less does not change what we need to accomplish. He betrayed his wife, not me. And not any of you either.

    "Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835

    by Ivan on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:47:02 PM PDT

  •  This is what I can't stand (4+ / 0-)

    WELL over 50% of married people have affairs. Especially men.

    I haven't seen a credible source for this yet, but people keep repeating a 40% 50% 60% rate of affairs as normal.  I just don't buy it.

    Maybe it's like that stat about 50% of marriages failing, where it breaks out to some very high percentage succeeding and the few who have 3,4, or 5 marriages skewing the stats.

    "When the President does it, it's not illegal" - Richard Nixon, 1974; US Congress, 2008

    by nightsweat on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:47:27 PM PDT

  •  I am in the (11+ / 0-)

    "You're an asshole John Edwards" camp!

    He ran for our party's nomination for president and solicited our money and support to do it.  He would have had us pick him over Obama or Clinton all the while knowing he was sitting on a secret time bomb that could go off at any minute and give the presidency to the republican.

    Frickin' narcissistic asshole!

  •  Obama haters find an angle (1+ / 0-)
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    Now this is really sick and disgusting

    Something ELSE, theres a rumor that BO blackmailed him  (0.00 / 0)
    I was just on the and a comment was about BO campaign black mailing him about knowing about the affair, and that's why Edwards endorsed him and not HILLARY,

    Which as you see above, BLEW me away too.  I'm not sure I believe it, but with Axelrove, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.

    Isn't this sad, we don't have A CLUE, what's true or NOT,

    I know this much to be true, I couldn't take him or trust him with MY country and it's future.

    PS also, ABC news blog, stated that Lanny from Clinton's campaign doesn't want a recall vote----God these people are THICK, how many does the lady in the pantsuit, have to SAY IT TO THEM---------------WHEEWWWW!!!

    I almost can't wait till this is over.  They really make me DIZZY!!!!!!


    Certifiable loons.

  •  Did he pay her or not? (1+ / 0-)
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    Sex is one thing, but if you can add money to the story..then you have all three. Sex, money and politics.

    John Edwards has created lot of PR damage with his penis.

  •  And "Rielle" (1+ / 0-)
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    This is not a twenty year old in an unequal power position. She had an affair with a man whose wife was battling cancer and three innocent children.

    And yes, David Mizner, women have affairs too. But in THIS case, how could a woman want to hurt as "sister" like Elizabeth?

  •  Is This Going to Be Like the Clinton Thing (5+ / 0-)

    When people outraged over John Edwards's affair come forward with their own indiscretions a few days later?  Let he without sin cast the first stone.

    "Truck Stop Women," a New Film By Phil Gramm and John McCain.

    by bink on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:48:21 PM PDT

  •  I could care less than he had an affair (10+ / 0-)

    but that he lied about it and put my vote at risk...?


    That shows his character, and makes everything he stands for suspect.

  •  Media's fault he's not the nominee? (2+ / 0-)
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    That's what his supporters told me a thousand times.

    The only reason Edwards never won any primaries was because he was being systematically cheated out of coverage by a biased media.

    As if that's how Democratic primary voters make up their minds.

    So how does he feel about more media coverage now?

    Take the fight to them. Don't let them bring it to you. - Harry S Truman

    by jgoodfri on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:48:32 PM PDT

  •  He provided some backup to Obama (4+ / 0-)

    during some pivotal times. The change thing, endorsing in MIchigan thing. Over and over he aided OBama during crucial moments.

    Sorry I have to run to the Senate floor to abolish torture.

    by bten on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:48:39 PM PDT

  •  We're Lucky (10+ / 0-)

    He truly could have sank the party and given us a guaranteed McCain Presidency.

    If he had won the nomination and then this came out around convention time. . .

    Needless to say, he didn't consider this -- or didn't care -- when he decided to run for President this time around.

    Incredibly disappointing on so many levels.

    They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, it works every time. -- Brian Fantana

    by IndyScott on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:48:50 PM PDT

  •  Ambition on a collision course (6+ / 0-)

    with clay feet.

    Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

    by bumblebums on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:48:54 PM PDT

  •  If u running for Prez (8+ / 0-)

    Dont cheat on your sick wife Period.
    Aint rocket science and hugely stupid.

  •  Turn it around on John McCain! (8+ / 0-)

    Everyone replying to this noise, would be better served to talk about how McCain cheated on his crippled wife for a woman 20 years younger than him.

    I hate the media double standard for dems.

  •  I'm disappointed. (6+ / 0-)

    All I can say is that I expected much better from him.

    I feel bad for Elizabeth and his daughters.

    Proud to live in a Blue State!

    by Sister Havana on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:49:05 PM PDT

  •  Where's MSM on McCain's affair? (7+ / 0-)

    Long time ago, but he did ditch the old wife, injured in a car accident, for the newer, younger, richer Cindy. They'll ask Hillary for a comment constantly, but they won't comment on McBush.

    •  same old MSM (0+ / 0-)

      All the punditry has focused on the fallout for the Democrats.  It hasn't even entered the mind of any Serious Person that there could be any fallout for McCain.

    •  My mom-a vocal Republican-won't vote for McCain (0+ / 0-)

      precisely because of McCain's treatment of his prior wife.

      She swore she'd vote for Hillary Clinton if she were the Democratic nominee, because Mom's also a dyed-in-the-wool feminist ... but since the choice in November will be between McCain and Obama, she probably won't vote at all in the Presidential election.

      "Specialization is for insects." -- Heinlein

      by BachFan on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 07:42:45 AM PDT

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  •  Seems like a lot of fauxrage to me (5+ / 0-)

    Not that he didn't f%^* up, because he did, but the moral condemnation is surprising to me.  

  •  It's not the adultery, it's the stupidity (15+ / 0-)

    He should know how the system works and that people would find out.  There's no way he could keep a secret like that.

    If he'd been nominated, we'd be saying "President Johnny Mac" by now.

    If he'd been made VP, Barack would be doing loads of damage control right now.

  •  The Divorce Rate Is 50% (1+ / 0-)
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    A good percentage of marriages that survive have to persevere through heartache. You know that many who are judging here are hypocritical if we would take a look into their lives. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" and all that. The real question becomes why with marriages in such a tenuous state do we invite "the stupid" in political discourse by focusing on the families of candidates. It's the policy stupid.

    •  Not me. Ill chunk stones all I want (0+ / 0-)

      Ive never "cheated" in a relationship ever nor will I.

      partially because i dont practice monogamy, but this is about LIEING to someone you love, not what you lied about.

      •  Well Then You Are Without Sin (1+ / 0-)
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        Sandy on Signal

        When it comes to adultery at least. You realize that there have been and continue to be many adulterous sinners who have been and continue to be fine leaders. You are holding people to standards that only regards their private behavior.  

        •  politicians are supposed to love the people (1+ / 0-)
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          they serve.

          If they feel like they can lie and hurt the ones in their own family, why should they be trusted with us?


          Thats earned, Edwards has a long road to hoe before that comes around.

  •  matter or not matters? (1+ / 0-)
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    It shouldn't matter what our candidates do in their private sexual life but it does, because it becomes a character issue.

    OK so its a character issue.

    But we can't let the Republicans use THIS to hijack the election. Edwards is not the #$%^&*# candidate!!!

    I say, private sexual lives especially of non-candidates are off limits and WE just shut up about it and don't give it legs. Until and unless someone else brings it up.

    If there is Republican comment about it, it's the perfect time to bring up and harp on McSame's own issues with his divorce from the woman who had stood by him and raised his kids and his cheating with and remarriage to the rich young trophy wife.

  •  a meta-diary already (3+ / 0-)

    about the diaries responding to Edwards' confession?

    Good grief. It's not enough to talk about something. Now we have to talk about how we talk about something.

    Coming soon: a diary talking about how we talk about talking about something.

  •  It's no big deal, "he didn't love her" and wife (5+ / 0-)

    Elizabeth's cancer was in remission during the time of the affair. I therefore recall my objections to John Edwards cheating on his wife.

    Cheating is okay when you don't love someone you are having an affair with, and especially so if your wife isn't all that sick any more. How could I be so dumb not to realize this???

  •  Today I learned that I am a Puritan (13+ / 0-)

    If being a Puritan means that you think that cheating on a spouse is a rotten, lowlife thing to do.

    •  No a Puritan (1+ / 0-)
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      would think John Edwards has to wear an A around his chest for the rest of his life, unable to be forgiven for his sins.

      Actually the Scarlet Letter is a good book!

      In Nathaniel Hawthorne's The Scarlet Letter, life is centered
      around a rigid Puritan society in which one is unable to divulge his
      or her innermost thoughts and secrets. Every human being needs the
      opportunity to express how he or she truly feels, otherwise the
      emotions are bottled up until they become volatile. Unfortunately,
      Puritan society did not permit this kind of expression, thus
      characters had to seek alternate means to relieve their personal
      anguishes and desires. Luckily, at least for the four main characters,
      Hawthorne provides such a sanctuary in the form of the mysterious
      forest. Hawthorne uses the forest to provide a kind of "shelter" for
      members of society in need of a refuge from daily Puritan life.

      "Quote me as saying I was mis-quoted." Groucho Marx

      by Pinko Elephant on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:54:29 PM PDT

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    •  Seriously. (10+ / 0-)

      I'm an atheist and I'm shocked at all the posts here accusing anyone who dares say they don't approve of Edwards cheating on his cancer-stricken wife of being a loony religious nutcase.

      Or the people saying "Well, 50% of people do it, so it's fine".

      I'd like the person running for the highest office in the country to be pulled out of the OTHER 50%, thanks.

  •  What about EE? (2+ / 0-)
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    Edwards tells ABC that she knew about this in 2006-if this is true, then she let him run knowing this would doom our chances.  I know I should be feeling sorry for her but if she knew, I am really really disappointed in her decision to support his run.

  •  Well Obama picked a hell of a week to go on (11+ / 0-)


    Besides the Olympics, THE STORY in the political world for the next few days will be John Edwards affair, not McCain's negative attack ads or even the Clinton drama.

    This was a good week for Obama to just disappear for awhile.  Nobody will be focused on Obama for awhile.

    Obama: "Because We Won... We Have to Win." 6/6/08

    by Drdemocrat on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:50:32 PM PDT

  •  Rove - This has all sprung from the mind of..... (0+ / 0-)

    Perhaps it was a trap?  That had beginnings 2 years ago, to be sprung in October?  Or maybe now just for fun since he's now the not the nominee...

    Democrats have constituents, Republicans have clients.

    by whitsmail on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:50:43 PM PDT

  •  De Ja Vu (1+ / 0-)
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    Here they go again, another Southern politician cut in the act of infidelity and lies. First, it was Bill Clinton, Newt Gingrish and now John Edward.

    What else should we expect from our politicians from the south? They just can’t keep their penis in their pants.

    •  But I thought Southerners are too conservative!!! (1+ / 0-)
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      I thought Southerners are too socially conservative to commit infidelity!  Or at least that's what you'd expect.

      Don't call him McCain, McBush, or McSame. His name is McNicotine! Mr. "Smoke Smoke Smoke, Smoke Smoke Iran" has a tobacco lobbyist for a senior adviser.

      by jhsu on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:13:06 PM PDT

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  •  Oh c'mon (10+ / 0-)

    Let's concede for the sake of argument that we shouldn't hold politicians to a higher standard.  If Edwards had won the Democratic nomination and the GOP had dropped this bomb Edwards, and the Dems, would have been toast.  

  •  John Edwards (7+ / 0-)

    can fuck anyone he wants to, but he can't seek the Democratic nomination for president. Democrats aren't allowed to have affairs, Republicans apprently are.

    I have compassion for a guy so consumed by the twin lists of sex and power, so I'm not angry with him.  If anything this shows that the divine is on our side in this election because it prevented JE from winning the nomination.

    I don't agree that this detracts from Edwards' message. To my mind he still cares more about the poor and working class than either Barack or Hillary (no need to even mention the GOP side).

    I think John Edwards would have been a wonderful president or an excellent Attorney General. Now, I don't think we'll ever know.

    So I'm sad, if anything, today. Sad that JE's message is forever lost and sad that he is another human being ruined by human imperfection.

    The hope of a secure and livable world lies with disciplined nonconformists who are dedicated to justice, peace and brotherhood. -Martin Luther King Jr.

    by Joshua Lyman on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:50:58 PM PDT

  •  Very Very sad (4+ / 0-)

    I am so dissapointed in him and my heart goes out to Elizabeth.

  •  Sure, David Mizner gets mad at US (7+ / 0-)

    because Edwards put the Democratic nomination in jeopardy.  Give me a fucking break.

    John McCain: Vowing to connect real leaders with real bowels

    by chicago minx on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:51:06 PM PDT

  •  The election (6+ / 0-)

    The actual act of cheating on his wife is pretty despicable, all things considered, but that is between him and his wife. And if he had done that purely as a private citizen I would have simply thought he was an asshole and that he had best be hoping his wife is a better person than he is. I'm not angry about that.

    I am angry that he chose to run for President with this skeleton tucked away. I shudder to think of what would be happening right now if he was our nominee, and when I finish typing this I will go down on my knees and pray to god that there is nothing like this lurking in Obama's closet. The country can't afford it.

    And whether or not you believe this should affect someone's chances to be president is utterly irrelevant. It can and does.

    "Mom, baseball, apple pie, and a unified Democratic juggernaut.

    by Purplepeople on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:51:32 PM PDT

  •  So, when do McCain's numbers start going down? (5+ / 0-)


    Because running off on your first wife when you're Republican just isn't newsworthy.

    Constructive Point

    Now would be a fine time for those McCain Family Values ads.

    It's not like adultery won't be dominating the news cycles for a while...

    There is still hope and love in the world.

    by cskendrick on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:51:39 PM PDT

  •  My Main Reaction (2+ / 0-)
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    is more on people I know, personally, who put in many hours phone banking, canvassing for Edwards.  

    I WISH an affair doesn't matter, and I think we're sort of getting over it and have since the 90's (a lot of us voted for Clinton knowing this is an issue)--but then I look at the media being the way it is, people who still have this as an issue, and pessimistically seeing the media give McCain still a free pass on this, etc.  And also, from us, frustration that Clinton finally got impeached finally because of his infidelity that makes us not want to go there again.

    So I think of the many people I know, let alone me, who also gave money to the Edwards campaign, I am disappointed that Edwards made this choice--but at the same time I don't know the Edwards personally, or anybody else for that matter.  So can only judge him politically.  I still hope his messages concerning the fate of the middle class is still addressed in this important election.

  •  Wow, nothing gets the threads moving (7+ / 0-)

    like a good old-fashioned sex scandal!

    This was just breaking when I left for an hour or so . . . and now all hell has broken loose!

    Never give up! Never surrender!

    by oscarsmom on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:52:25 PM PDT

  •  and this was my rage against big dog. (6+ / 0-)

    i didn't give a rip what he did.
    but, he was the president.
    and the utter lack of respect toward
    his wife and daughter made me sick.
    he sold them AND us down the river for what?
    now, edwards.  same shit.
    my only hope is that
    JOHN MCCAIN'S SAME BEHAVIOR TOWARD HIS WIFE WITH CANCER BECOMES NEWSWORTHY AGAIN!!!!  jeebus, media, will ya get off the hooch and bbq and do your job???

  •  everyone's so worried (3+ / 0-)
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    that he might have sunk us as the nominee.

    But he was always too clumsy a politician to have come anywhere near it. He won no states in the primaries this time, which is two states fewer than last time.

    The hard truth is that Edwards was never going to be president, even if he hadn't had an affair. He just didn't have what it takes.

  •  Why do people even bother to get married? (4+ / 0-)
  •  A Round of Applause for John Edwards by McSame (5+ / 0-)

    Cheating on a woman battling cancer?

    Wow, John McCain would never do something like that, or would he?

    •  Look for the photo of Carol McCain, here. (0+ / 0-)

      Crippled in a car wreck.

      Got husband back in 1973.

      Lost husband to Cindy Lou "Daisy Dukes" and her $$$$$ in 1980.

      Dixie Chicks, Amy Winehouse, Imus, and Rev. Wright. Overcome our evil with good.

      by vets74 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:02:58 PM PDT

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      •  Carol lost him way before Cindy (1+ / 0-)
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        As I understand McCain's personal biography, he was cheating on 1st Wife Carol, way before Cindy McCain came into the picture, both before he went to Vietnam and after he came back, THEN he met Cindy Hensley at a Hawaii Bar.

        Ironic, that OBAMA is from Hawaii. Maybe his family crossed paths with John McCain when he was still in the Navy, in Hawaii?

        By the way: anybody else think John McCain's ARMS look weirdly way too SHORT for his body, he really has a weird sort of "hobbity" looking body, especially when he pumps his fists in the air, like at the STURGIS BIKER Rally. (Hey, here's Cindy, who's up for a Wet T-Shirt Contest?)

  •  That anyone, liberal or conservative, (8+ / 0-)

    thinks this is even remotely any of your business is appalling to me. This is between John and Elizabeth. Good people do bad things sometimes. Grow the fuck up and deal with it!

  •  I'm having such a hard time giving a crap (5+ / 0-)

    about either his actions, his denial, his admission, or the reaction by either dKos or RedState. What does this change? Why does anyone really care?

    I suspect this has hit a raw nerve with more than a few people. Sounds like over-identification or something.

    A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
    - Calvin

    by iconoclastic cat on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:53:17 PM PDT

    •  The only explanation I can come up with (2+ / 0-)
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      is the fear factor. Everyone's raw because they want to win so badly they can taste it, but they haven't forgotten the past two elections, where seemingly small things blew victory out of our hands. So they react when they see their politicians make any mistake, real or perceived. Edwards is getting the brunt of that now. Certainly any scandal is fuel to the fire that the other side is lighting. At the same time, the reaction seems insanely overblown. Marital infidelity knows no party boundaries. The only difference between Republicans and Democrats is that Democrats, being more socially liberal and therefore less self-righteous, tend not to be such big hypocrites.

      My handle is an old college nickname and does not endorse, advocate, or otherwise reflect any presidential candidate past, present, or future.

      by hilllady on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:19:02 PM PDT

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      •  That makes sense. (1+ / 0-)
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        A lot of people seem to be taking it personally, too. I am not sure why exactly I'm not, considering that I had been cheated on in every single one of my long-term relationships right up until I got married. You can never know what happens between a couple.

        A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
        - Calvin

        by iconoclastic cat on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:29:19 PM PDT

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  •  I guess he's not going to be the VP pick either (2+ / 0-)
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    Dont Just Stand There, jnhobbs

    There is still hope and love in the world.

    by cskendrick on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:53:19 PM PDT

  •  I'm with Meteor and Georgia (9+ / 0-)

    I could care less what someone does in their private life so long as it's not egregiously illegal and doesn't cause serious harm to others. This isn't about his cheating on his wife and lying about it to her, his family and the world. This is about one of the top candidates for our party's nomination for president lying about an affair that he had BEFORE he ran for the nomination, which, had he won the nomination, could and likely would have thrown the election to McCain.

    I would have said the same thing about Obama had something similarly damaging emerged about him. (And god help him if one does, before election day, that he knew about well before throwing his hat into the ring--I sincerely hope that Clinton's "unvetted" remarks were bluffs.)

    This isn't about his affair. This is about the future of our country. Period.

    Sic transit gloria mundi - ancient Roman proverb

    by kovie on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:53:27 PM PDT

  •  Stranahan is about to go on MSNBC (1+ / 0-)
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    Sandy on Signal

    well he's missing too many teeth for prime time

    Justice for Lavena Johnson

    by Adept2u on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:53:55 PM PDT

    •  He mentions his banning (2+ / 0-)
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      IndianaDemocrat, Jyrinx

      he says its because he wrote about it on Kos interviewer doesnt care.

      Justice for Lavena Johnson

      by Adept2u on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:54:46 PM PDT

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    •  You've gotta be fucking kidding me. (6+ / 0-)

      That sonuvabitch. He wanted to get banned so he could whine to the high heavens.

      Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him …

      Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.

      by Jyrinx on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:57:29 PM PDT

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      •  He was brought on as blogger from huffpo (4+ / 0-)

        His experience here on Kos was the first thing out of his mouth, that guy is a tool.

        Justice for Lavena Johnson

        by Adept2u on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:01:39 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  I Doubt That... (2+ / 0-)
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        Pager, QueenTiye

        I was there for some of that donut-fest.

        The BOTTOM-LINE is that he was RIGHT, no matter how poorly he may have presented it. And some here owe him an APOLOGY...

        •  I'd really like to know (3+ / 0-)
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          Karma for All, BachFan, NuttyProf

          what he did to get banned.  His pursuit of this event was perhaps zealous, but so was the denial by many.  And it turned out that he was right, and the zealous "it can't be true" folks were wrong.

          Seriously - if the argument is that he was no good at all, then some other reason besides this one should be named for why he was banned - but if THIS is the issue - I believe he should be reinstated, with apologies - because this story breaking NOW is the best thing that could have happened.  With the Olympics happening now, it should fade out of public eye before the convention - and therefore leave the convention free and clear.


          •  He was banned for trolling. (0+ / 0-)

            He was right (at least partly), evidently. But that doesn't change the fact that he was clearly doing those diaries purely to stir up shit. And he was obstinate about this "proof" of his which was in fact absurdly weak, and got only increasingly obnoxious about this over time rather than admitting that, yes, there was no factual basis (yet) for the story.

            Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him …

            Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.

            by Jyrinx on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:35:22 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  Oh - and while there were some that (0+ / 0-)

            were insisting "it can't be true," most (as Adept2u says below) were merely insisting that it was not yet proven. We were zealous in upholding standards of evidence presented in diaries.

            Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him …

            Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.

            by Jyrinx on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:37:02 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

        •  I was there too though i hate tossing donuts (1+ / 0-)
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          Many people granted that the story could be true.  I think people were saying so what for the most part and he was being obstinant, and towards the end I think he liked the attention.  Oh well he was on MSNBC and he had something to talk about so I guess it worked out alright for him.

          Justice for Lavena Johnson

          by Adept2u on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:29:49 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  OK, but (3+ / 0-)
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            BachFan, IndianaDemocrat, Adept2u

            I'm just going to play defense here a bit. First a caveat - I'm not often here, and I don't read all the posts and comments.  So I have to defer to your better knowledge.

            BUT - it seems that many all over the blogosphere were absolutely in denial - and that it took practically shouting from the rooftops to get anyone to even hear that this could really be a problem.  And so - I don't blame someone for really being obstinant about it.

            Moreover - I only read the last post - at that only skimming - but I didn't seem him saying there was proof - I saw him saying there was unmistakeable evidence - evidence enough to force everyone to look into the matter instead of shielding the community from the discomforting possibilities.  As recently as yesterday in other communities - this subject was hard to discuss without being dismissed out of hand, made fun of, or accused of being a tool for the opposition.  

            I'll stop there.


            •  I feel you (0+ / 0-)

              I think the issue is that John Edwards isn't a problem.  It isn't an issue.  John Edwards isn't running for anything, he had taken his name out of contention for the VP all of that.  I think the feeling was we're Dems and we don't trade in the politics of destruction, and instead focus on the issues that actually matter.  

              Justice for Lavena Johnson

              by Adept2u on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:50:59 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

    •  Is he a Paid "Plant" to get story out? (0+ / 0-)

      I saw the guy on MSNBC too, he looks like some wino that the Repub. Karl Rove & thug team, pulled in off the street and put on payroll, to get the story out without their "fingerprints" being all over the dirty deed. What is the guy's background, where did he come from & is he a legitimate INDEPENDENT blogger?

  •  Blegh, next story. (0+ / 0-)

    If we want to read dkos comments, we'll read the diaries for them. This is the kind of post that lazy journalists send out when they have nothing new to report and nothing useful to say.

    "You can't negotiate with reality" - James Kunstler

    by Bob Love on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:53:57 PM PDT

  •  SEX Scandal > Illegal War (8+ / 0-)

    SEX Scandal > US Navy Carriers headed to IRAN
    SEX Scandal > US backing Georgia against Russia in what could be WWIII
    SEX Scandal >Illegal Spying
    SEX Scandal = Perfect distraction from the REAL EVILS facing this country and world.

    that we Americans continue to fall for the corporatism  media hype ....F*CKING SUCKS!

    At the core of the human spirit there is a voice stronger than violence and fear - S. dianna ortiz

    by Rachel Griffiths on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:54:10 PM PDT

  •  Oh for God's sake! GROW UP!! (7+ / 0-)

    He sold out the Democratic Party?

    He's still the most pro-labor, anti-corporate candidate in this year's race.

    Now I'm supposed to be upset over an affair, with a hot blonde?

    Grow up people. This stuff happens everyday and more likely than not, it will happen to you, or with you.

    Elizabeth didn't leave him. None of our opinions matter.

    BTW, John McCain wouldn't touch this scandal with a 10 foot poll

    If your opponent is drowning, throw the son-of-a-bitch an anvil--James Carville

    by ChrisCoyle on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:54:16 PM PDT

  •  Just one question.... (2+ / 0-)
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    Karma for All, limpidglass

    Is it wrong? Yes. Does it erase all the good things about JE? No.

    All of what good things? He was just a lot of talk as far as I can tell. His record in the senate was far from populist.

  •  Why is the Democratic party imploding? (2+ / 0-)
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    AtomicWarBaby, IndianaDemocrat

    I'm an Independent who really supports Obama, but between the dumbass antics of the Clinton folks trying to take the convention hostage and dumb shit like Edward's move...and one poster is correct for pointing out this would have SUNK the party and guaranteed at least 4 more years of Republican rule.

    McCain is running a Juvinelle campaign and yet, he has a chance because of this shit. Is it possible to clean house.

    Get serious or we'll be talking about "what could have been" come November 5.

    There are people out there who only respond to "moral arguments" and will only switch if they think this party is different. So far this isn't looking like a great alternative for them.

    "Never was so little asked of so many by so few"--Stephen Colbert

    by EMorgan on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:54:26 PM PDT

  •  all idols have feet of clay (1+ / 0-)
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    I sincerely hope for the sakes of all who feel holier than thou about this that no deep dark secrets seep out about Obama, or Michelle if it comes to that.. Sex seems to be the one sin (not that I consider sex a sin) that Americans cannot forgive.

    UI guess in today's morality climate one needs to start thinking about running for president in kindergarten, that way one might, just might, avoid any of the pitfalls that most of us mere mortals fall over.  Probably that was part of the reason Obama wrote his books, get it out before it gets you out.

    Good job drugs and rock n roll are OK still.  I wonder if he and michelle had sex before marriage?  I was told she was his boss?  a little sexual harrassment?

    •  Yep, thank religion's penchant for sex (3+ / 0-)
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      cdiaz71, migo, soccergrandmom

      and all the 'evil' it produces.

      To hell with all the world's religions for creating barriers to the advancement of humanity.

      "No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government. Always hopeful yet discontent, he knows changes aren't permanent. But change is." -Neil Peart

      by Boisepoet on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:22:12 PM PDT

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    •  Bush's daughter Jenna (0+ / 0-)

      Bush's daughter Jenna was dating the little pointy nosed Repub. thug she married, for  quite a long period of time, the "Family Values" crowd that supports Bush family NEVER questions what the f*ck they did or do. Like Neil Bush's going to a Prostitute, and rumors for years that Daddy Bush had mistresses and cheated on Barbara Bush (boy, now THAT I could understand!)

  •  a legitimate candidate (1+ / 0-)
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    would not have been fucking the help.

  •  How did he intend to hide this if he was nominee? (5+ / 0-)
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    lirtydies, BachFan, OWTH, vets74, chicago minx

    Did he really think he could continue to cover this up, with thousands of people working full time to dig up dirt on him?

    Take the fight to them. Don't let them bring it to you. - Harry S Truman

    by jgoodfri on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:55:21 PM PDT

  •  Blah blah (3+ / 0-)
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    lirtydies, vets74, 0wn

    OK, OK, I get it. He who is without sin cast the first stone. People in glass houses should not strip naked. But the guy had the audacity to pay her $114,000 from his campaign fund - money he got from people with very little disposable income that bought into his "eradicate poverty" message.

    Guns don't kill people, republicans do.

    by freespeech on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:55:22 PM PDT

  •  It is a private matter unless (0+ / 0-)

    you are a public figure.
    I am so glad he is not our nominee now.
    We would not have hope.

  •  Count me as disappointed and sick (9+ / 0-)

    I supported Edwards.  He was my candidate.  

    I don't care about the affair.  It is a private matter between him and his wife.  But millions of other Americans will feel differently - and I'm disgusted and amazed that the man could have been our candidate and handed this election over to McCain becuse he chose to run anyway with this hanging over his head.

    I can't believe the amazing stupidity and ego it took for him to run anyway and hope that it never came out.  

    This isn't about John or Elizabeth Edwards.  It's about how we almost got an election ruined by someone's choice to roll the dice with his future and ours.

    I'm done with Edwards and I hope his political career is done.  I wouldn't vote for him for dogcatcher and you can be that there will be holy hell if Obama even thinks about considering him for any Cabinet or other position.  

    Damn John Edwards.  How in the hell can you do something like this to me and all of us who supported you?  You mislead us all.

  •  If we discount all the men who have affairs (2+ / 0-)
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    vets74, XerTeacher

    we would have a woman president every year.

    Mommy always told me there were no real monsters, but there are -- Newt.

    by fearisthemindkiller on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:56:05 PM PDT

    •  Not that a woman president would be a problem (2+ / 0-)
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      BachFan, oscarsmom

      It's kind of sexist to think only men have affairs.

      Though there are more examples of men politicians thinking more with the ding-a-ling than with what they shoulda thought with.

      •  no i dont think only Men (0+ / 0-)

        have affairs.  I just don't care.  I don't believe in a  no-affair litmus test for political office.  

        In a perfect world, we could forgive a little bit.

        Mommy always told me there were no real monsters, but there are -- Newt.

        by fearisthemindkiller on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:57:59 PM PDT

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      •  Hillary Chugging Shots with Reporters (0+ / 0-)

        I would LOVE to see Hillary Clinton have an affair with some hot young Reporters, or something, she's as uptight as any Repub. "Stepford Wife". During the Primary, she looked like she was having a ball hanging out with all those male, young Reporters, chugging back shots of Whiskey w/ Beer chasers?

        Who knows, Bill Clinton wasn't around, maybe she has been having a little "something something" on the side?  It would make such a delicious scandal.

        And yes, I too am bored with the Edwards scandal, so between NOT wanting to watch the stupid Olympics coverage from Beijing, not wanting to watch the stupid News coverage of Edwards scandal, I'll be watching the FUSE Music channel, Sci Fi channel or Showtime, over the Weekend.

        There's a 3-day Woodstock festival, wish I was going there instead of stuck in Kentucky!

    •  are you saying all the men (0+ / 0-)

      have affairs with other men? 'Cause otherwise there's a problem with your math.

      My handle is an old college nickname and does not endorse, advocate, or otherwise reflect any presidential candidate past, present, or future.

      by hilllady on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:21:10 PM PDT

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  •  Damn there goes a good AG. n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  On the "private affair" issue: (1+ / 0-)
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    Prairie Gal

    A marriage is a solemn covenant.  When a president is sworn in he/she solemnly swears to uphold the Constitution.

    Does anyone remember, "I, George Herbert Walker Bush, do solemnly swear to... preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."?

    Yes, it is a private affair.  Yes, truth telling ability for a president is a public matter.  Yes, the ability to keep vows and solemn covenants is something that can have disastrous personal AND national consequences.  See:  Iraq, FISA, et. al.

    And, yes, this is one of the reasons that McCain should worry us (ask his first wife), and why I feel good about Obama.

    On a lighter dad's favorite saying (see my sig line) is pretty appropriate.

    You can never sink so low in life that you can't be a bad example for somebody. - My Dad.

    by briefer on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:56:08 PM PDT

  •  I'm with Meteor (3+ / 0-)
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    I supported Edwards at one time.

    But, heck, imagine now we had nominated this guy instead of Obama?

    If he had admitted and dealt with it back when the story first broke, instead of covering up, I might have more sympathy.

    Come clean deal with it, and if voters decide to forgive and elect him for something, then maybe he puts it behind him. But to continue with a presidential campaign with this potentially hanging over it was just bad judgment.

    I try not to judge people on their personal relationships, as I have no idea what really goes on there with anyone.  Those who are happily married to a loving and loyal spouse ought to consider themselves lucky, rather than morally superior. But it's no longer just a personal matter once you have to lie about it and cover it up. Then it becomes a trust and credibility issue.

  •  Goodbye, John Edwards (9+ / 0-)

    I'll miss getting troll rated by your supporters.

  •  He lied and put the democratic party at risk. (1+ / 0-)
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    I mean, jeez. All this "oh he's human, everyone has affairs."  He did this, lied repeatedly, then ran for president and came this close in Iowa. I'm not mad because thank God he didn't win, but still the people who are defending him have gotta admit that it was more than just "oh he's human, men have affairs."

  •  Stranahan (2+ / 0-)
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    freespeech, vets74

    just on MSNBC.  mentioned banning from this site.

  •  We'll get over it, but will Elizabeth? (1+ / 0-)
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    In a week's times, we won't be talking about John Edwards at all. But Elizabeth has to live with the humiliation and betrayal. I think most Democrats love her a lot more than they ever liked John Edwards. I have known couples who have gotten past this betrayal, but it is a long and difficult process. I think it was easier for them because they were not public people. This will be a long slog for them, and I wouldn't blame her for kicking his ass out and starting over.

    •  Whine-whine-whine-Rush-Limbaugh (0+ / 0-)

      It's her business.

      Not yours.

      And the phony concern for her supposed PC correctness sucks.

      Men like variety. Edwards is way too pretty. women go for alpha males, especially pretty ones. This ain't the first time, believe-U-me.

      Elizabeth knows her husband......

      Dixie Chicks, Amy Winehouse, Imus, and Rev. Wright. Overcome our evil with good.

      by vets74 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:09:24 PM PDT

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  •  Whatever. (1+ / 0-)
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    'nuff said.

    "I'm not negative - I'm ANGRY!" -- Howard the Duck

    by Roddy McCorley on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:56:44 PM PDT

  •  Let's cut this shit out. (3+ / 0-)
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    Char, Mlle Orignalmale, TampaCPA

    Look folks.  John Edwards may have indeed shown remarkably bad judgement in deciding to run for President with this skeleton barely hidden in his closet.  But if he were completely self-serving there were paths he could have chosen to take that would have been easier than championing the poor and taking on corporate America.

    Regardless of how we choose to view Edwards as a man, he did more to demonstrate the potwetial mass appeal of progressive ideas than any politician in decades.

    How about we stop looking for reasons to throw bricks at the guy and simply appreciate his contribution on that front?

    'I speak, therefore I act' is the great American illusion of politics.

    by snout on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:56:46 PM PDT

    •  Not entirely...some venting is needed (1+ / 0-)
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      Especially for those of us who once supported Edwards, and were so disappointed in Clinton.

      Those who want us to support them with our hearts and fortunes should also be prepared to suffer our ire when they disregard that assistance in favor of their penis.

      "No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government. Always hopeful yet discontent, he knows changes aren't permanent. But change is." -Neil Peart

      by Boisepoet on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:39:05 PM PDT

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  •  Who is John Edwards again? (3+ / 0-)
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    freespeech, TampaCPA, vets74

    And why is he relevant now?

    George W Bush - Plame Duck President

    by T u g on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:57:59 PM PDT

  •  Heeere's Vicki! (7+ / 0-)

    Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

    She's been locked up down in Guantanamo since February!

  •  Just catching up on the bru-ha-ha (0+ / 0-)

    Honestly, I began believing this was true when I heard Jay Leno making jokes about it.  Prior to that it was just confined to the tabloids so I ignored it.  Maybe it's weird, but I just didn't believe that Jay would make jokes about it unless he had some underground scuttlebutt that it was all true.  So ever since then I've been waiting for it to break in the mainstream media.  

    As he's not the nominee (thank goodness), I can happily leave this to John Edwards and his wife to deal with, though I do feel badly for the diehard supporters who are feeling hurt right now.

  •  sorry, dogg (1+ / 0-)
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    but this election is bigger than edwards. we're trying hard to break the grip of the republican party over the electorate and somebody running for president knowing full well that he's cheated on his wife does not fucking help.

    i gotta understand the stress of being an elected official (although it really isn't that hard to keep it in your fucking pants and remember your fucking vows for once) but when you do the sort of thing he did you put all the stuff you worked for at risk.

    edwards always made poverty a big issue. well, now his political career has a great black mark on it. great lot of good he's going to do in front of the cameras now, trying to bring attention to poverty as a disgraced pol.

    edwards is dead to me. his issues are not, of course, but we just lost a big fighter for the poor and its nobody's fault but his own. thanks a lot, john. way to put your own junk ahead of all the people you claim to want to help.

    anyone born after the McDLT has no business stomping around acting punk rock

    by chopper on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:58:23 PM PDT

  •  Overheard before the DemFather's FAMILY Vacation: (0+ / 0-)

    "Listen, John, I'm gonna go away on a little vacation, as far away as I can get from the stink of your betrayal.  I'll be with MY FAMILY TO WHOM I AM STEADFASTLY LOYAL and unavailable to the media.  You're going to get this out there on Friday afternoon and then you're gonna disappear for a long, long time, understand?"  By the time I get back, there'll be something else on the news menu and you'll be forgotten.  Just don't let me catch you within 1000 miles of Denver anytime this year.  

    And now I gotta turn my back on you."

    Dulce bellum inexpertis [War is sweet only to those who have no experience of it].

    by Fatherflot on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:58:33 PM PDT

  •  "The Lorena Bobbitt Story" (0+ / 0-)

    I am publishing this title.
    There will nothing but the book jacket and it will be empty inside.  However, all political wives who have to endure the Vitter/Spitzer news conferences can now carry a copy of this book with them and make sure it is quite visible for the cameras.

  •  SusanG :: OT question please... (2+ / 0-)
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    freespeech, Karma for All

    ...I need to ask an FPer.

    Senator Bernie Sanders just said on MSNBC that he was banned from this site.

    Is that true? If so, why?

    Thanks in advance for your response.

    The Multinationals and the Religious Right have identical goals: Profit from war, ignorance and fear...and the GOP is their Party.

    by dj angst on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:58:56 PM PDT

  •  Sex Scandal & White House (2+ / 0-)
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    ballerina X, Prairie Gal

    Let's face it, the people of Iowa made the right call in January 03, 2008. I am glad election process started in IA. They knew Edward was phony and Hillary Clinton is no better either.
    Obama/Keane '08.

  •  Let's make this as big as possible. (0+ / 0-)
  •  Gave a shit an hour ago. Not any more n/t (3+ / 0-)
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    cdiaz71, TampaCPA, vets74

    He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire ::Winston Churchill::

    by Jeremy10036 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:00:15 PM PDT

  •  So many people are (1+ / 0-)
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    liars and cheats and not compassionate about others... it doesn't matter what station in life they happen to be... many of them are rewarded as well as or better than those of us with integrity... I just want to know if he squandered my money over-paying this woman for whatever else she did for his campaign...

    If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison, fourth US president (1751-1836)

    by crkrjx on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:00:27 PM PDT

  •  I really like what Amanda Marcotte has to say (3+ / 0-)
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    decembersue, migo, vets74

    about this:

    My official stance is that unless it’s a matter of hypocrisy, it’s none of your damn business.  So, if someone has a history of dogging gay people, prostitutes, people who have sex outside of marriage, etc., their business is now public property because they treat your business like it’s public property.  Edwards, as far as I know, has never been a "sanctity of marriage" wanker, and so this is officially None Of Our Business, and anyone who dogged him on this story should be fired on the principle that they don’t know journalism from rooting around in the trash.  Hypocrisy is a story; human weakness is not.

    I’m not going to get on a high horse about his judgment, because he didn’t get on a high horse with me about mine.  That’s all I’m going to say about that.

    Fight the stupid! Boycott BREAKING diaries!

    by VelvetElvis on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:00:38 PM PDT

    •  Uh, don't forget (1+ / 0-)
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      "I think this President has shown a remarkable disrespect for his office, for the moral dimensions of leadership, for his friends, for his wife, for his precious daughter. It is breathtaking to me the level to which that disrespect has risen," - John Edwards, on Bill Clinton, 1999.

      Dulce bellum inexpertis [War is sweet only to those who have no experience of it].

      by Fatherflot on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:09:37 PM PDT

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  •  Edwards effed. But McCain effed AND dumped Carol. (3+ / 0-)
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    TampaCPA, OleHippieChick, NuttyProf

    The parallels are perfect.

    Elizabeth has cancer.

    Carol McCain had been crippled in a car wreck and needs her crutches to walk.

    At least John McCain wasn't injured in BOTH arms.
    Carol McCain and THE HERO waving in 1973
    McCain was 100 times worse than Edwards on his worst day. What McCain did was to dump his wife for a 24-year old blonde hottie and her $100,000,000 inheritance and a promised political career.

    Compared to Edwards gittin' his horn polished ???

    How does that even half measure up to dumping a crippled wife ??????

    Dixie Chicks, Amy Winehouse, Imus, and Rev. Wright. Overcome our evil with good.

    by vets74 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:00:40 PM PDT

  •  Traditional Media Is Serious Now (0+ / 0-)

    I remember, after 9/11, how traditional media proclaimed an END to trivial pursuit and fluffy tabloid journalism.

    I am unhappy about this story, of course, but I am more concerned about Georgia pulling troops out of Iraq, and what the consequences of THAT story far more than I do Senator Edwards' personal life.

  •  Let's not forget the comments made in the last (5+ / 0-)
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    miriam, BachFan, Catesby, vets74, NuttyProf

    couple of days attacking anyone who dared bring up this topic on DKos. It bothered me that so many people instantly dismissed the rumors out of hand and excoriated anyone who even hinted that Edwards might be at fault.

    I don't believe in jumping to conclusions based on tabloid gossip, but there was enough evidence there that I would have expected intelligent people to at least exercise some caution.

    Let the word go forth from this time and place...that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans--Obama '08

    by Azdak on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:01:08 PM PDT

    •  And the volcanic inactivity........... (0+ / 0-)

      related to smashing John McCain for doing far, far worse.

      Dumping a crippled wife ????????????

      You think it's impossible to take that message to the Christian community ???

      Don't the DKOS kossacks know where those churches are ?

      Dixie Chicks, Amy Winehouse, Imus, and Rev. Wright. Overcome our evil with good.

      by vets74 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:43:01 PM PDT

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    •  I was one who said shut up about it (0+ / 0-)

      because all we had until then was what the National Inquirer was saying.

      Now that Edwards has admitted it is true, I find it all very sad.  I have lost all respect for the man.

      But, some good may come from this because if the MSM starts going after Edwards 24X7, then I think we need to start talking about McCain and his affair while married to a crippled woman who stood by him for 5 years.  At least John Edwards didn't dump his wife like McCain did.

  •  Cripes (1+ / 0-)
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    Why do we even care about this crap? The only thing we should be asking of our politicians is "do they govern well?" The rest is between them and their family, unless of course they choose to make a career of moralizing (which to me falls into the question of governing well at that point.

  •  And this is why repubs get away with it and dems (1+ / 0-)
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    don't, despite both being part of the same fallible species. Dems shit their pants when stuff like this happens, make the situation bigger than it is, and basically encourage the media to overreport it. As this site is doing right now.

  •  TAKE AWAY HIS JET SKI (3+ / 0-)
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    keeplaughing, oscarsmom, ye ye ye

    Elizabeth gets to keep hers.

    "The concentration [of the legislative, executive and judicial powers] in the same hands is precisely the definition of despotic government." - Jefferson

    by El Payo on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:01:41 PM PDT

  •  BREAKING: DKos Civil War... Sickening Scolds vs. (7+ / 0-)

    Sickening Scolders of Sickening Scolds.


  •  McCain's entire career is based on his adultry! (4+ / 0-)

    Okay. Edwards' political career is over. Of course he was not actually in office and was no longer actually running for anything already.

    But John McCain's political career derives from his adultry!

    He was still married to Carol, the wife who stuck with him when he was a POW, who was raising his children. She was in a car accident and partially disabled and had gained weight.

    So he had an affair. With Cindy. While still married to Carol. Eventually he married into Cindy's money, into her connections, and into the state of Arizona... and the rest is history.

    Of course McCain is actually in office and running for higher office.

    I wonder if John McCain's adultry will be mentioned in the news today or over the next few days...?


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      AtomicWarBaby, prgsvmama26, abraxas

      Response when asked by CNN about the affair:

      "No comment"

      CNN will spin this that he's being dignified, but we know from his ads it's not true-

      He doesn't want this to come back to his own marriage.

      As I type this Wolf Blitzer and Gloria Borger are talking about how McCain "did the right thing."

      Now Borger is bringing up Edwards' endorsement of Obama-

      So it begins- Real issues, put off another week.

  •  I never loved YOU either, you class act (5+ / 0-)

    is that what makes Elizabeth feel better?  You didn't LOVE her?

    that doesn't make those of us who thought you should be the nominee feel LIAR   slimy frikkin LIAR!!!!

    May George Bush rot in hell for what he has done to Abdul Hamid Al-Ghizzawi

    by FilipinoMonkey on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:02:10 PM PDT

  •  Let's make this as big as possible (6+ / 0-)

    Eventually this brings out the McCain divorce details and that is a plus for us.  He didn't give a fuck about us and we shouldn't concern ourselves with him.  

    •  Fuck over McCain and the GOP ANY WAY YOU CAN. (0+ / 0-)

      Reduce these criminals to a Southern regional minor party.


      A home for liars, cheats, crooks.

      Every crime from a GOPper gets full attention !

      Dixie Chicks, Amy Winehouse, Imus, and Rev. Wright. Overcome our evil with good.

      by vets74 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:47:08 PM PDT

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  •  It's (3+ / 0-)
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    sad.  I'm waiting for them to talk about McCain's affair. Everyone should mind their own business.

  •  In October 2007 (1+ / 0-)
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    Pandoras Box

    Edwards denied the affair and during his Presidential race paid this woman from campaign dollars a salary.  Since he did this it is no longer a private affair it is as far as I am concerend fraud and the misuse of campaign dollars.

    If anyone here was planning to go to the convention to see Edwards speak they should sue.

  •  um, did someone really get banned for writing (1+ / 0-)
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    about this two weeks ago?  just saw lee stranahan (sp?)on msnbc.  

  •  Well, I know what you all will be doing (1+ / 0-)
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    Time Waits for no Woman

    this weekend. Enjoy the heaps of Ginger's pie, and the crazy chicks named after hens putting their dogs to sleep, and the burning ghost of Tim Russert writing messages to you on his dry-erase board from the lowest circle of the Inferno.

    I'm just sick and sad about this whole thing. I don't want to analyze it, or rub it into my cuts, or hear MSOC's pet leprechaun tell us that the Bat-boy photos were real.

    I'll see you rabid lambs later. Enjoy the bloody frenzy of your mass self-mutilation.

    "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran!" McCain doesn't need a presidency. He needs a Playstation.

    by The Gryffin on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:03:15 PM PDT

  •  The whole thing is just well, yuk (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Let's not forget...... (0+ / 0-)

    If it is true that he told Elizabeth about this and they went forward with his presidential campaign, I have to wonder about the wisdom of either of them.

    I realize that there are always 3 sides to every story, his/hers and the truth.

    Not to denigrate Elizabeth in any way, but if it is true about her knowing about this affair in '06, I find her involvement in his presidential quest as selfish and dangerous for our party as his.

    Until it is confirmed that she was informed about this nonsense in '06 I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.  However..............

  •  Congratulations (4+ / 0-)
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    TampaCPA, migo, OleHippieChick, NuttyProf

     To all of you moral referees without sex lives of your own. Good work. Way to keep it focused on the issues. I just caught Lee Stranahan on MSNBC (quit cutting your own hair, Lee). He once again made his completely nonsensical argument that this may hurt Obama? Some guy who's not Obama, and dosen't work for his campaign gets caught fucking someone other than his wife, and this impacts Obama how? Logic be damned! Pussy Police to the rescue! Be we are Betrayed, you cry. A guy who's spent his entire adult life fighting for you lazy bastards (and by fighting, I mean actually fighting, not plugging away at your laptop down at the coffee-house) gets caught in an entirely private, and utterly commonplace, moral lapse and you'd think this was a Moral Majority meeting. Get over yourselves....

    I've always admired the ability to bite off more than one can chew, and then chew it. -William DeMille

    by Kordo on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:04:22 PM PDT

    •  Bingo! n/t (0+ / 0-)

      In an insane society, the sane man would appear insane

      by TampaCPA on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:08:06 PM PDT

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    •  We don't live in a world (1+ / 0-)
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      Meteor Blades

      where the basic fairness that you envision (I have to add that I agree with you whole heartedly that this is a private affair and should have no bearing whatsoever on our politics) exists.  Nixon made sure of that when he taught the current crop of GOoPers how to practice divisive politics.  We are forever lost in the ongoing battle being waged by the Republican party where they paint their opposition as immoral, unpatriotic, treasonous, scum. For Edwards to wade into this campaign knowing full well that he had been caught dead to rights in what he must have known would have been a campaign killer were he to be elevated to our standard bearer is the height of recklessness.
      With all that is at stake in this election?
      And if it's true that he told his wife about this in '06, and she thought it a good idea to go forward, she is just as culpable.  

    •  By Lee Stranahan you do NOT mean (1+ / 0-)
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      Karma for All

      Bernie Sanders, correct?  Someone downthread asked a question that implied this.  I think there is some confusion going around.

      Never give up! Never surrender!

      by oscarsmom on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:22:06 PM PDT

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    •  Just for the record ... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...when Edwards was in grade school, I was registering voters in Mississippi. When he was a freshman at Clemson U, I was in a prison camp for refusing to fight in the Vietnam War. So stuff your talk about "actually fighting" where the sun don't shine.

      I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land. -- Mark Twain

      by Meteor Blades on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:46:18 PM PDT

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  •  Poor John. How put upon he must feel (0+ / 0-)

    to be castigated for the minor offense of porking some groupie tramp.  I mean, Elizabeth wasn't all that sick.  It wasn't like she had Stage 5 cancer.  And since we live in an age when the media looks away from the indiscretions of its politicians, there was really no chance that this would ever have come out if it wasn't for that pesky National Enquirer.

    Some of you are ridiculous.  Private matter?  Give me a break.  I suspect that many of you who seem inclined to give Edwards a pass are the same ones who were convinced, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that Edwards campaign was on the verge of breaking out in South Carolina. There was a lot of kool-aid around in those days.  And I suspect there's a new shipment.  You idolized the man.  I did, too.  But instead of just admitting that you're pissed that your hero let you down, you project your disappointment onto the "moralizing" comments of those who would dare point out that it's not exactly a nice thing to cheat on your wife.

    I'm very disappointed.  But he's getting exactly what he deserves.  

    It's not my fault if you're stupid.

    by Tootie on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:05:31 PM PDT

  •  Jeez- ENOUGH!!! (2+ / 0-)
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    Sandy on Signal, oscarsmom

    OK, he screwed up.  Get over it.  He's not going to be president.  Stop this crap now.

    I'd still take a guy with human flaws (on a personal level) over an asshole like Bush whose flaws have led to the death of thousands.

    Perspective folks.

    In an insane society, the sane man would appear insane

    by TampaCPA on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:05:33 PM PDT

  •  To Quote Rev. Jerimiah Wright (7+ / 0-)

    I've told you for over three decades now: God will forgive you for sowing wild oats. But God's forgiveness don't stop the crop. Them oats you sowed will bring a crop. You will reap what you [audience chimes in] sow.

    But stop calling your crops your cross. [mocking] "Well... that child is just my cross." No, that child is your crop. A cross is a sacrificial vehicle of redemption that you voluntarily pick up; a crop is the result of something you sowed. Our choices have consequences, our behaviors have consequences.

    Edwards crop has just been harvested.

    •  Very Good Hollowdweller! (0+ / 0-)

      I understand those that say it's between he and Elizabeth, but these are the consequences of his actions.  

      Thankfully, he's not the Dem nominee or the VP nominee or already tapped as AG.  His crops are only damaging to his family; but could have affected the country.

      Obama for President 2008 - Let's Go Change the World!

      by C Mac on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:23:12 PM PDT

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    •  MUCH LIKE REV. WRIGHT (1+ / 0-)
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      Obama will have to answer an endless media cycle of questions for something he had nothing to do with.

      Good old CNN, covering the issues as always.

  •  I would think that this would make the R's even (2+ / 0-)
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    vets74, AtomicWarBaby

    more envious of the Dems. I mean, from their point of view at least it was a hetero affair

    You can't beat that with a stick

    by InfraredRoses on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:06:42 PM PDT

  •  On a Psychological Level... (0+ / 0-)

    What the hell must be going on in Edwards' mind right now?  I suspect, as others do, that he still has not come clean about everything.  He is still in cover-up mode right now.  

    And also, this is giving the media carte blanche now.  I suspect we may start hearing some other stories soon that they've been holding back on.  They're all kicking themselves in the ass right now for not breaking this sooner.  They'll want to avoid that in the future.

  •  Big disconnect here: (0+ / 0-)

    People are expressing outrage that Edwards risked the future of the party by running for president knowing this could deep-six his election if he won the nomination.  

    Others are chastizing those people for making value judgments about the relative morality of Edwards' behavior.

    IT'S NOT THE SEX WE'RE UPSET ABOUT!!  Pay attention!  We're upset about his complete disregard for our party and his apparent ignorance or ignoring of the political realities of this country!

    I don't care if he had sex with a babboon!  He should not have run for president.  

    "We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America." Barack Obama

    by keeplaughing on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:06:54 PM PDT

  •  John Edwards made (8+ / 0-)

    the National Enquirer credible.  Neat trick.

    Every time history repeats itself the price goes up Mom Michelle

    by Pithy Cherub on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:06:55 PM PDT

  •  I only have one question (2+ / 0-)
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    vets74, NuttyProf

    Is Lee Stranahan reinstated - with apologies?


  •  OK, here's my perspective: (0+ / 0-)

    All the folks decrying our so-called moral scolding, why have you had such an interest in suppressing this story if it's "no big deal?" Why did diarists at dailykos get banned for wanting to explore the truth of these allegations?

    If we're acting shamefully now, then I would hate to hear the words people would use to describe this community's recent censorship.

    "I wouldn't trade one stupid decision / for another five years of life." -- LCD Soundsystem

    by tomjones on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:07:25 PM PDT

  •  The good and bad to come of this (0+ / 0-)

    The good:
    Traditonal media also mentions McCain affair. (Doubt it but may give it a line or two)
    The bad:
    National Enquirer claims Obama is anti-christ, kills puppies, is an alien...

  •  John Edwards is HOT. (5+ / 0-)
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    Subversive, Catesby, vets74, Tootie, abraxas

    I'd have sex with him.

    conscietious objector in the battle of the sexes

    by plymouth on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:07:49 PM PDT

  •  I ... DON'T ... CARE !!!!!!! (2+ / 0-)
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    TampaCPA, Subversive

    This is a family issue and they have to deal with it. It is too bad, but I don't care!

    Obama For America (Wesley Clark for VP or Sec. DEF. or ...

    by TekBoss on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:08:40 PM PDT

    •  It's not the family issue that's the problem (1+ / 0-)
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      If Edwards had come clean the moment he was asked, they wouldn't have any further to go.  The way he set it up, it created a media feeding frenzy.  He should have learned from what happened to Bill.  

      He was totally dumb in how he dealt with this.  His career is over.

      •  Hang on a sec (0+ / 0-)

        why should he have answered? It was none of the reporters business, let alone ours.

        I dont know a man that would not have lied in the same position.  Just ask Bill.


        by GlowNZ on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:12:58 PM PDT

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  •  choosing sides (8+ / 0-)

    I would like to be placed in the "Who the hell cares???" category, if we're choosing up sides.

    I asked my wife and she confirmed that it wasn't her that Edwards had the affair with. So...that pretty much marks the end of my concern.

    Last time I checked, he wasn't on any ballots nor was he serving public office, so he doesn't have to explain himself to me.

    •  He was always my third choice, and he always got (0+ / 0-)

      on my nerves, but I think it's sad to see people here slam the guy as if we were members of the Republican Hate PR Machine Auxilary Force.


      1. Edwards shouldn't have had an affair. The fact that he had an affair while in the media spotlight shows that he wouldn't be a good VP pick. Even if it turns out he had his wife's permission to do what he did, he ought to have realized that the National Enquirer, Karl Rove's spies, et al. were lurking in every bush. To me, all of this suggests that the guy just isn't devious enough to go head to head with Karl Rove.
      1. On the other hand: this was a dumb thing to do, but it's the same sort of foolish human error that many of us have made. It's not 1 percent as bad as Edwards voting for the Iraq invasion authorization. If you're an  Edwards supporter who found it in your heart to forgive him for the invasion vote, how can you be so cold toward Edwards just because he let his lizard brain produce a gorgeous, healthy baby? How can creating a lovely baby with the wrong woman be worse than creating a war that's killed thousands of children?
      1. The problem with Newt Gingrich is not really that he left his wife when she had cancer, but that, apparently, he did so in a cold, intentional way and (note: my memory is hazy here) may not have given her the financial support he should have given her. As far as I know (I might have missed something), Edwards hasn't made any moves to leave Elizabeth, cut off payments for her medical bills, etc.
      1. Along the same lines: what Edwards does with his romantic life with willing partners is not really that big of a deal. What he does with respect to any children he's fathered is a big deal. I would like to see Edwards take a paternity test, even if he doesn't think he's the father.
      1. If Edwards tried to cover this and up and he is the father: if he was really mean to the mother of the baby, then that's awful. If he just made futile attempts at trying to keep this from leaking into the media, that's 's just normal human foolishness.
      1. Obama: If, for example, it turns out that Obama has knowingly fathered children out of wedlock and knowingly stiffed the moms and babies, that would be a big problem. If it turns out that he's had an occasional affair, or even an affair that produced a child he never knew about, that's life. We know that the Republican Hate PR Machine will figure out how to spread -- or CREATE -- a huge Obama scandal in the next couple of months. If any of us are going to vote Republican or stay home in November simply because Obama is a flawed human being, then we deserve to see McCain end civilization as we know it. But there are many innocent people who do not deserve that fate.
      1. The Other Women: I've just started reading the comments, but I've already seen several that seem to be trashing the woman that Edwards had sex with. Maybe I missed something, but I don't see any evidence that she's done anything hateful. If all she did is get a little too close too a charismatic guy that she worshipped, why get medieval on her?
  •  It's Kind Of Funny (0+ / 0-)

    How so many people here are surprised about this.  When I heard about the Edwards affair, I shrugged and said, "Well, figures."  But not because he's a politician, and all politicians play a little loose with the truth.

    You see, Edwards is a special kind of politician, and a special kind of person.  And if anyone had paid attention to the life he lead, from his career as an ambulance chaser to his final run for the Presidency, he could easily see this guy was so full of shit it was hard to tell what color his eyes really were.  

    What's actually sad is how so many on the left fell for his song and dance.  

  •  I've never thought of running for office... (2+ / 0-)
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    georgia10, MKSinSA

    for numerous reasons, not the least of which being all the stupid shit I've done in my life... TWENTY FUCKING YEARS AGO...

    How someone with a straight face could attempt the kind of charade John Edwards attempted just defies logic...

    George W. Bush... wiretapping the Amish since 2001...

    by ThatSinger on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:09:39 PM PDT

  •  I just swam 20 lenghts of the pool (2+ / 0-)
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    TampaCPA, vets74

    I was so angry.  Angry at John, angry at some of the pathetic comments I have seen here, and angry at myself

    Maybe I was a fool for defending John, but I am not sorry for doing it.  I will still defend him even though he lied.  

    I know what its like to have lied to loved ones.  I have done some things I am not proud of and they still don;t know about.  

    So I can't slam him.  I would be a hypocrite if i did.

    by GlowNZ on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:09:52 PM PDT

  •  The Diary We Probably Need To Write & Read (2+ / 0-)
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    RainyDay, slaney black

    Why hero-worship and deification of political candidates is foolish.

    Only I'm too busy watching all the fish trying to jump out of the boiling sea where once they swam so happily in warm waters.

    Let us political junkies take a lesson today, and apply it.  Elsewhere.

    They burn our children in their wars and grow rich beyond the dreams of avarice.

    by Limelite on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:10:10 PM PDT

    •  hero worship (1+ / 0-)
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      I know! Who would ever think that a politician could behave in such a narcissistic and reckless manner??

      Next thing you know, you'll be telling me that rock stars and professional athletes aren't always nice people.

      I'm sorry, I just can't make myself give a damn who you have sex with. As long as their a willing participant, have fun!

      David Vitter gets off on dressing up in a diaper, fouling himself and having a prostitute "discipline" him. Gov. Spitzer apparently liked being on the receiving end of the rough stuff as well. Not only do I not really care, I think the people who participated in outing them ought to be punched in the face.

      Hell, Vitter's wife was probably GRATEFUL he took his diaper fetish somewhere else. My wife is a kind, considerate, giving woman. And I bet that she'd be willing to indulge me in a number of ways if my tastes tended towards the....exotic. But that road dead-ends a long way before we get to where Vitter was going.

  •  The ho-bag in question was banged by JE (3+ / 3-)
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    Ms Johnson, Tootie, Born aDem
    Hidden by:
    blueness, GlowNZ, prgsvmama26
    but knocked up by a JE staffer. She's like the village bicycle... everybody's had a ride!

    Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

    by bigtimecynic on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:10:11 PM PDT

    •  Should this be TRed? (2+ / 0-)
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      blueness, AtomicWarBaby

      I hate giving O's, and I haven't read enough of the comments to know for sure whether this is snark or somehow something other than it seems.

      If the commenter is really calling a woman a "ho bag" because she happens to have had sex with two different guys during a single year, I think that's a really unfortunate way to refer to the woman in question.

      •  Done. (4+ / 0-)

        I dont care how many men this woman has slept with thats not a term anyone should call a woman,

        Noone calles Bill Clinton a ho bag.

        by GlowNZ on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:17:43 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  You're right, I am sorry (0+ / 0-)
          I didn't mean to sully the woman who slept with a married man and helped ruin the marriage to his cancer stricken wife.  That poor sweet little thing... She's just practicing her freedom. She doesn't deserve to be harshly judged like that BASTARD JOHN EDWARDS!

          Ummm... snark.

          Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

          by bigtimecynic on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:37:07 PM PDT

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      •  At least two. (1+ / 0-)
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        And I think the term "ho bag" applies equally to Senator Edwards and that other married man she was porking.  

        Don't tell me about the "new politics" if you're an asshole.

        by Ms Johnson on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:21:40 PM PDT

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      •  Only on Daily Kos (0+ / 0-)
        would this become a women's rights issue. She slept with a married man and then began making her way through the staff. Would you prefer 'home wrecking slut' instead? Or are only men responsible for their actions? Something tells me that the first words out of Elizabeth Edward's mouth were much closer to my choice of words. I gleefully accept you donut.

        Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

        by bigtimecynic on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:26:44 PM PDT

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        •  howzabout... (1+ / 0-)
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          ....what two grown adults do in the privacy of the bedroom (or a hotel room) probably ought to remain free from the judgement and cheap and easy jokes?

          I'm not cutting Edwards the SLIGHTEST bit of slack. But the only thing if we boil this thing down to its ACTUAL essence -- what we've got is two adults having consensual sex.


    •  doesn't it violate dKos rules (0+ / 0-)
      to TR someone who uses a quote from Austin Powers? No? Hmm, maybe next time I'll try Blazing Saddles...

      Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

      by bigtimecynic on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:41:47 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Idiots on Hardball (13+ / 0-)

    just discussed when Obama will be forced to answer question of potential infidelity.

    I don't have a problem with that.

    BUT it did not occur to anyone to ask whether McCain has been unfaithful during his current marriage.

    What is wrong with these people?

  •  He wanted us to trust him with nukes... (2+ / 0-)
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    RainyDay, IndianaDemocrat

    but he couldn't even control his own dick.

    I am so disappointed in these 'gentlemen' who ask us to trust them to make decisions that impact our lives, and they can't even control their own sexual impulses. Morality plays no part in my anger, disappointment in another man, who I thought could make a difference, does.  

    "No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government. Always hopeful yet discontent, he knows changes aren't permanent. But change is." -Neil Peart

    by Boisepoet on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:14:07 PM PDT

    •  We trusted Kennedy, Clinton with nukes (2+ / 0-)
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      cdiaz71, GlowNZ

      neither one of them controlled their dicks either, and yet here we are safe and sound. Blow your two bit moralizing out your ass fool. It's a personal issue for Edwards, nothing more.

      Fight Back! If they send one of ours to the hospital, we send one of theirs to the morgue.

      by Phil In Denver on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:27:08 PM PDT

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      •  F.O. (0+ / 0-)

        No two bit moralizing...personally I don't care if he has orgies with sheep. We are trying to stop a destructive movement in this country called conservatism, and not controlling your penis hurts that movement. It also happens that a lot of people in this country buy into a mythology called 'christianity' that perpetuates this kind of sexual hysteria. Now if you want to advocate that dis-enfranchising large blocs of these people doesn't matter, well that's another issue.

        And no, it's not a personal issue, not when you put yourself in position to be an important figurehead in the Democratic party.

        "No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government. Always hopeful yet discontent, he knows changes aren't permanent. But change is." -Neil Peart

        by Boisepoet on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:57:08 PM PDT

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      •  Okay, let's calm down.... (2+ / 0-)
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        cdiaz71, Phil In Denver

        I've never cheated on my wife or any girl I've dated...but I know people who have. But that doesn't mean that I expect them to come into my house and kill me.

        The part of the brain that encourages you to get laid and the part of your brain that encourages you to kill thousands of people at once are in seperate corners and rarely talk.

  •  stupid (2+ / 0-)
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    0wn, slaney black

    Edwards was always a slimy politician. A poor mans feingold - the great pretender. It is amazing how he snookered so many progressives with his centrist record.

    Guess progressives aren't as smart as they think they are.

  •  It's called denial (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm not justifying Edward's behavior. However, I think there was obvious denial involved.

    He wanted to have his cake and eat it too. He believed in his progressive agenda and loved his wife. Initially, he hoped to keep it secret from her. He definitly wanted it kept secret from the american public. He fooled himself into believing  that he could keep this under wraps.

    Of course, in today's world, that was impossible. It's actually amazing that it was private for so long.

    Why did he do it?

    He is a mammal, as we all are, and has instincts. We are not logical beings, even us women.

    That said, I'm glad he didn't get the nom...

    thank god (or random chance, more likely).

    An eye for an eye and the whole world will be blind.

    by rini6 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:14:22 PM PDT

  •  Poor Elizabeth (3+ / 0-)
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    iowabosox, sandblaster, NuttyProf

    I just want her to be okay. She deserves so much better.

  •  We are usually filled with glee here when (5+ / 0-)

    a rethug goes astray.  Now, it is one of our own.  Mr. Edwards made a vow to his wife to forsake all others.  If he could not keep that vow, how could we trust him to defend and protect the Constitution if he had been the nominee.  That is a vow, too.
    I am not cutting him any slack.  If he wants to do the horizontal mambo with some bimbo, fine.  But, he does not get to screw over his Democratic supporters the way he did his wife and get a pass.
    John Edwards is dead to me.  Bill Clinton has also been dead to me for years and the reason I could not support Hillary's candidacy is because she let him publicly humiliate her, much as will be done to Elizabeth now.  Ambition is a strange thing.  Morality seems to fly out the window in many cases when ambition rears its sometimes ugly head.

    The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all - JFK- 5/18/63-Vanderbilt Univ.

    by oibme on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:16:12 PM PDT

    •  LET's NOT PRETEND... (2+ / 0-)
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      Subversive, oscarsmom

      That being faithful in marriage has anyhting to do with how you do your job.

      Alot of guys cheat.

      The real problem was that we would have lost the race had he been the nominee.

      Let's not get on a highhorse about family issues.

      The reason I celebrate when Rethugs have a sex scandal is because they're on a high horse about all social issues.

      •  Keeping your faith to your marriage (0+ / 0-)

        denotes character or lack of the same.  IMO, character is all.  Evidently, you do not feel the same way.  You are entitled to your opinion.

        The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all - JFK- 5/18/63-Vanderbilt Univ.

        by oibme on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:42:11 PM PDT

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        •  EXCUSE ME (1+ / 0-)
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          I am aware of how being honest reflects on your character.

          But don't try to tie that to him doing work.

          I guess you think JFk, and Clinton were bad presidents? And Thomas Jefferson too?

          I'm not married, but I get it.

          Still, how many men have done great things and cheated? Countless.

      •  Do you really believe that? (0+ / 0-)

        That someone who would cheat on their wife will ONLY cheat in marriage?  If your ethics allow that kind of moral relativism in marriage, its gonna carry over.  I don't see that much difference between "I didn't have sexual relations with that woman..." and the Marc Rich pardon.  An ability to suspend your morality in one area of life, to me, predisposes you to being able to make that leap in other areas of life.  I have a hard time believing that a guy who will cheat (especially when the chips are down for his partner) would somehow be a paragon of virtue on all matters of public policy.  

        Frankly, if Elizabeth had just felt really sick and gave him permission to get his physical needs met elsewhere I wouldn't have a problem with it.  Between them - its the hiding from her and lying about it when caught and risking all we have fought for these last two years that shows the true measure of the man.

    •  seriously (0+ / 0-)

      affairs are not for outsiders to judge. it's between the couple.

      I think our energy is better focused on the lying our country into war by Bush co.

      The White House needs a new tenant. Barack Obama '08.

      by michele2 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:28:43 PM PDT

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      •  If these people were not public personages, (0+ / 0-)

        it would not be our business, but when they flaunt their morality as being above the rest of the crowd and then they are found wanting, it is our business.
        As I said above, it is a lack of character.

        The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all - JFK- 5/18/63-Vanderbilt Univ.

        by oibme on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:44:38 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Hardball Commentary Edwards Apology (1+ / 0-)
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    Edwards releases apology.  It actually sounds hearfelt.  Sucks to be him.  

  •  You cant just fix stupid (0+ / 0-)

    You cant just fix stupid.......

  •  I tell ya, the priorities.... (0+ / 0-)

    I've been reading a lot of comments stating that Edwards's decision to run for president in spite of this skeleton was a selfish move.  Excuse me?  I thought that we wanted presidential candidates with ambitious goals and a tenacity to see them through.  If you're serious about changing the direction of this country, you're not going to let an extra-marital affair interfere with that.  And when the family-values nitwits attack you on it, the Democrats should say "they attack me on my personal life because if they talked about my policies, I would crush them.  We're engaged in two wars, an energy crisis, a health-care crisis and an economic crisis, yet we're obsessing over Jon Edwards' love life?".

    I'm not faulting anybody for being bothered by this story, but we also have to stop with this tabloid mentality.

  •  George Bush today, (1+ / 0-)
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    While Pres. Bush was being briefed today on the Russia/Georgia war, was quoted " They had best leave Atlanta alone , I,ve got some baseball tickets. I'll put some sanctions in place" . Later he was heard by A NYT reporter " you know, sanctions , like no more Onion exports for those assholes for picking on my soul mate Putin. This is really pissing me off, just leave me alone. I only want to spend the next six months riding around in this real nice 747.

  •  Don't put us in the middle of this (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm annoyed that a politician I liked and respected cheated on his wife.  I have faced this in my personal life, when a well-respected friend confessed an affair to me.  It ended our friendship.

    I'm not a prude, I've had multiple girlfriends.  So have my other single buddies.  But there's just something sleazy about an affair, especially in someone you like and admire.  To be honest, I don't like being put in the middle of it, either by my former friend or by John Edwards.  This announcement kinda put us ALL in the middle of it.

    And yes, I know 50% of all marriages end in divorce, and that about half of those divorces are about infidelity.

    It's still sleazy.

  •  Cast the first stone much? (2+ / 0-)
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    Subversive, GlowNZ

    You can say one thing about the Republicans: they pull together during a crisis. They don't nuke themselves and start finger pointing.

    When the Vicki Iseman story came out they got on their Blackberries (except McCain, of course) and got to work on damage control. Hell, they even applauded David Vitter...

    I know the old quote about the Democrats not being an organized political party, but can we at least try? Otherwise we're just handing the Republicans ammunition on a silver platter.

    "Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."

    by faster democrat kill kill on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:20:03 PM PDT

  •  I would like to toss my hat in the... (5+ / 0-)

    ..."what the fuck ever, I don't care" camp.


    In case anyone was wondering.

    Thank you,

    You are entitled to express your opinion. But you are NOT entitled to agreement.

    by DawnG on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:20:28 PM PDT

    •  About his affair? (2+ / 0-)
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      keeplaughing, Born aDem

      Or about how this would have played out had he won the nomination?

      I'm with you on the former, but not the latter, if that's what you meant.

      Sic transit gloria mundi - ancient Roman proverb

      by kovie on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:23:14 PM PDT

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      •  He didn't have a chance (2+ / 0-)
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        ever to win the nonmination so that point is mute.

        Not with Hillary and Obama in the race.  And this is comingfrom a huge edwards supporter.

        by GlowNZ on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:24:38 PM PDT

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        •  GMTA. (2+ / 0-)
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          I really liked Edwards, and I still do.  I think a person can have a flawed intimate life and still be genuine in wanting to do good for the world.

          And no matter what he's done behind closed doors, I still think he does want to do good for the world.

          You are entitled to express your opinion. But you are NOT entitled to agreement.

          by DawnG on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:29:34 PM PDT

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      •  about his affair. (0+ / 0-)

        If I had to be honest with myself (as someone who supported Edwards early on), he didn't have a chance at the nomination.

        I don't like that he ran, knowing this had happened but he wouldn't be the first man who THOUGHT he could keep something like this secret.

        I'm glad he didn't get the nom, and I'm also glad he came clean.  give it 72 hours for this to blow over and we can get back to business.

        You are entitled to express your opinion. But you are NOT entitled to agreement.

        by DawnG on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:27:39 PM PDT

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  •  Elizabeth Edwards is a DKos reader/diarist (1+ / 0-)
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    ...y'all, might imagine that Elizabeth Edwards is reading all of this before you hit that Preview/Post button. Just sayin'.

    Elizabeth Edwards for VP!

  •  I feel bad for my Dad (1+ / 0-)
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    Local Edwards precinct supporter.

  •  Mike Barnicle calls Edwards a "total fraud" (3+ / 0-)
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    Still waiting for Newt Gingrich and Larry Craig to weigh in...

    Sic transit gloria mundi - ancient Roman proverb

    by kovie on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:22:05 PM PDT

  •  Outrage from puritanical trolls (2+ / 0-)
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    for my own part, I say: Who gives a shit? It's his problem not ours.

    Fight Back! If they send one of ours to the hospital, we send one of theirs to the morgue.

    by Phil In Denver on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:24:25 PM PDT

  •  Isn't it curious that the corporate media (1+ / 0-)
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    says hardly a word about John McCain's affair with his first wife, but as soon as this story breaks about one of our also rans it's on the front page of all the corporate media pages, and it's all that is being talked about.  We need to call the corporate media on this double standard.

    Recommend this diary which call on us all to call the corporate media and demand that they cover John McCain's affair.  We all know about it, but the all important swing voters (i.e. low information voters) have never heard about this affair because it's never been covered by major media sources.

  •  Our fucked economy, our fucked healthcare-less (2+ / 0-)
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    system, our fucked soldiers, our fucked students with college rip-off loans, our fucked environment, our fucked world reputation, our fucked prisoners, our fucked....

    Huh...whatcha say? Edwards had an affair?

    I don't fucking care - I can barely pay my grown son's medical bills for a brain injury.  

    Our right fucking wing fucking media fucking Pisses me Off!  Fuck them!

    You can't choose sides on a round planet.

    by IamLorax on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:26:02 PM PDT

    •  I am a ZAX & I don't care either! (0+ / 0-)

      I hope you son's brain surgery goes well or went well? I know having your kid operated on is hell. My son's baby boy was born preemie, had to be flown TWICE by Helicopter to Children's Hospitals, without his UNION good Health Insurance, my son would NOT have been able to afford to pay, altogether, about $12,000 for the 2 Helicopter trips alone. We've gotta get OBAMA elected, so we can get the stupid f*cking HEALTH CARE system fixed, esp. because all the Baby Boomers are going to be retiring!

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    I don't really care about sex scandals, not a big deal for rethugs or dems.

    What pisses me off, Is I know that the MSM will make this Obama's fault somehow.

    This will translate into, " Sould we raise further questions about Obama'

    and it will make Obama a defacto adulterer.

  •  Edwards is dead to me. What about Andrew Young? (1+ / 0-)
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    What about HIS marriage? What about him and his wife being dragged through the ringer to cover up for Edwards not being able to use a freaking condom?

    Edwards should never have allowed Andrew to take the fall.  What a nasty character.  This is not about 'it taking two', or 'it's only between John and Elizabeth', because a hell of a lot more than two people are currently involved in this!

    Ugh.  People making excuses for Edwards behavior sicken me.  Yeah, he has the right to privacy, but he also has to take on the responsibilities of POOR ACTIONS -- and forcing another man to fall on his sword for you because you want to be president is POOR.

    Edwards, those 9 minutes better have been worth it.

    •  sigh. (0+ / 0-)

      well since he doesnt know you exist im sure his being dead to your is of no concern.

      by GlowNZ on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:28:23 PM PDT

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      •  Obama would 'know I exist', (0+ / 0-)

        I am a small person, a nobody to all these so-called 'important people'; but Obama has repeatedly shown he cares about those little gestures to us little people, and makes the little personal gestures.

        Again, to me the worst angle of all this is NOT Elizabeth; my personal life experiences tell me that enough wives look the other way and ask only to not know and not to be publically embarassed, at that level.   No, the worst angle is Andrew Young and his wife and what THEY'VE been saying, for the benefit of John Edwards political ambitions, all this time.  All John had to do was be a man.  Instead, he ran -- and allowed someone else to fall on his sword for him.  Over what?  Unprotected sex and the presidency.  That is DISGUSTING and VILE and REPULSIVE to me.  Perhaps I am in the minority in feeling that way, but that's how I was raised.  It's not about what happened privately between people in love and people out of love.

        It's about the gross abuse of power that the Andrew Young angle presents.  I am completely floored, with this story being true.  Is that not harassment of a sort?  If that happened in the real world among us little people, how would that be described?

        If someone is willing to do that -- manipulate an underling's private life to cover up for a mistake in one's own private life -- over just sex, what else are they willing to do?   This is much worse than the Lewinsky coverup, with making Bettie Currie pull wingman duties with the 'pizza delivery' stories.

        I have to be completely honest: I would have felt VERY weird about voting for a man like this.  This goes beyond just an affair.  There's enough talk here about what a jackanape John McCain is for the things he's pulled in his life, and Cindy McCain is for the choices she has made; in a neutral world that has to apply to 'one's own' as well.  I really, really wish Edwards would have said something about this being a private matter, instead of letting Mr. Young, his subordinate, be a scapegoat.

    •  WTF is Andrew Young? (0+ / 0-)

      Other than working with John Edwards campaign, should I even care?

      The problem with the Party of the Party...not Lincoln

      by Ghur AtteH on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:29:52 PM PDT

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      •  Democrats should care about abuse of power (1+ / 0-)
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        Democrats should care, in my opinion, even if the one abusing power is one of their own.  Democrats should care especially if it's one of their own.

        I hope the official stance around here is NOT that this is irrelevant.  That would be a bit of hypocrisy.  Abuse of power should not be condemned in the 'other side' and winked at among one's own.

        Times Online UK:  John Edwards admits to having an affair, today's date:

        A former campaign aide, Andrew Young, a married father of three, has said he is the father of the baby girl.

        That's the only thing stated in the Times Online UK article about Andrew Young.  But this is a former campaign aide. That is big, to me.  Again, if this were real world, to me there would be questions of abuse of power... and I'd want to know a heck of a lot more than just one sentence.

        WHY would a former campaign aide, a married former campaign aide, be allowed to come forward and say that he was the real father of someone's child?  while the real father is allowed to make the impression that the woman making the claim is a slut who sleeps around and the father could have been anyone?  That's going into Jerry Springer/Maury Povich Paternity staged reality show nonsense.  But this was not a reality show, and it was not staged for entertainment purposes; it was the presidency.

        Flashback, December 19, 2007 -- Big Head DC website: Enquirer Update: The Rielle Strange Confrontation — And Her Odd Denials:

        And when asked for a comment about her relationship with Edwards by an ENQUIRER reporter, Rielle responded: "I have no idea what you’re talking about."

        Asked why she was living in Young’s gated community, she answered: "I have no idea what you are talking about."

        When asked who fathered her baby, she answered: "I have no idea who you’re talking about or what you’re talking about."

        OK, flashforward, now that Edwards has confessed, 9 months later -- why WAS she living in Young's gated community?

        Same website, the day before mused:

        Both Edwards and Hunter (who used to go by the name Lisa Druck) have denied they ever had an affair, but she was closely involved with his campaign in its early stages and then just sort of oddly disappeared. Reports have also indicated that she was paid above average fees for the work she performed.

        Hunter allegedly told a confidante that she is six months pregnant and that Edwards is the father of her unborn child. She also relocated to live in Chapel Hill, NC about a month ago. Her new home is just a few streets away from the residence of Andrew Young, who had been a key official in Edwards’ campaign — until he left the campaign about a month ago. Since then, Young has been in charge of looking after Hunter, according to Enquirer sources. Some are saying that Young, a married father with children, is claiming to be the father of the unborn child in an effort to protect Edwards.

        This is why it matter's, Ghur. Why did Andrew Young really leave the campaign?  The National Enquirer reported 'some saying' that Young was trying to protect Edwards.  People dissed the National Enquirer for making up a story.  Well, this unfortunately turned out to be one of the true ones instead of the legions of false ones.   Why did Edwards allow Young to 'protect' him, at the expense of Young's own marriage and Young's own relationship with his own three children.

        That bothers me.  It bothers me in a primal way.  It bothers me like someone being sexually harassed at work.  It bothers me because of the abuse of power -- nevermind that it's an abuse of power between two men, it's still an abuse of power.  And it bothers me that Mr. Young's family relationship was not important enough to the man he worked for, that he was allowed to sacrifice himself, his wife, and his children, for Edwards.

        Again, Edwards had to do was be honest, or say 'it's nobody's business'.  He didn't do that.  Again, the Andrew Young angle brings this from 'this is sad, but things happen in life' to 'abuse of power'.  

        But if it does not matter, Ghur, can you explain why? I've tried to explain my opinion.  I would like to hear your own. Perhaps I am in the minority on this one.

  •  And this lie is so much bigger than.... (2+ / 0-)
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    Bush Cheney lies? don't think so. The affairs of politicians is so frikkin' yesterday. The absorption and moralizing about politicians' affairs is also oh so last decade.

    By the by, Edwards dropped out - this is why. We all wondered and now we know.

    Whatever. Next.

    The White House needs a new tenant. Barack Obama '08.

    by michele2 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:26:48 PM PDT

  •  OMG (1+ / 0-)
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    John Edwards is human and fallible too? Just like the rest of us?

    As someone who has never cheated on my wife, I still think Edwards is a fine American who has done good work. He's also done some dumb things, like voting for the War in Iraq.

    Infidelity does not mean Edwards cares not for the poor.

    Cheating on his wife does not mean Edwards doesn't support the Constitution.

    Being unfaithful to Elizabeth does not bring Edwards down to Bush's level.

    Edwards is a man. He admittec his fault and he's takin' his thumpin like a man.

    Can we talk about getting Obama, Burner, Frankin and the rest elected now?

    "I think this President has shown a remarkable disrespect for his office, for the moral dimensions of leadership, for his friends, for his wife, for his precious daughter. It is breathtaking to me the level to which that disrespect has risen."  -- John Edwards, Feb. 12, 1999

    John Edwards didn't cheat in 1999. He had the high ground back then.

    John Edwards also isn't President then, and he isn't now.

    If democrats like Rostenkowski, Lieberman, Hoyer, Jefferson, etc. weren't elected in the first place maybe this would be important. However, my daughter's future hangs in the balance of the American Voters' hands.

    The problem with the Party of the Party...not Lincoln

    by Ghur AtteH on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:27:02 PM PDT

    •  One more thing (0+ / 0-)

      Benjamin Franklin was a 'randy old reprobate' as my wife likes to say.

      He was probably a bigger horn-dog than even the Big Dog.

      I looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooove Benjamin Franklin anways.

      The problem with the Party of the Party...not Lincoln

      by Ghur AtteH on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:31:20 PM PDT

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      •  We never elected Ben Franklin (0+ / 0-)

        as our president.  We sent him to the French where these things are not looked at askance.  And Jefferson was hurt by rumors of his infidelities.  America has always considered the Presidency to be held to a higher standard.  You may not like it, but its a fact.

  •  I'm with Meteor Blades (1+ / 0-)
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    This is not some old lapse of judgement.

  •  He's one selfish (0+ / 0-)

    Not that I care. Dems really dodged a bullet there, though. Whew.

    Passenger on the long train of abuses.

    by OleHippieChick on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:27:28 PM PDT

  •  We dodged a bullet (2+ / 0-)
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    Every passing day reinforces my belief that in choosing Obama, we really did pick the best candidate available.  While Edwards was always good on paper there was something about him that I resisted.  Perhpas it was his willingness to totally do an about-face on his Iraq war vote. Both the vote itself and the too easy disavowal struck me as being opportunistic.  He also was a crappy VP candidate for John Kerry - the ticket didn't even come close in North Carolina or pick up a single Southern state.

    Needless to say, we have all been down this road before and while it is true that this is a private matter between John and Elizabeth, it is also true that had he been nominated this would've been a disaster of Eagleton proportions.  

    When will these guys learn?  The press and the public WILL find out - eventually.  I would have had a lot more respect for him if he had owned up to the affair before asking for our votes. It still would've hurt his efforts, but at least he would've put all his cards on the table and let the chips fall where they may.

    He loses extra points for cheating on a spouse in the midst of waging a very public battle against cancer.  

    •  Moral: If you're running for president. . . (0+ / 0-)

      Keep your pants zipped. Show a little self-discipline, fergoshsakes.
      And in the alternative, if you can't keep your pants zipped, at least be European and grown-up about it.
      To me, he loses points for the "I didn't love her" details. Don't give us the insulting denials, but don't give use too much information, either. Do give us some credit.
      A simple "yes," when the question was first brought up, would have spared a lot of people a lot of trouble.

  •  Hardball Commentary (0+ / 0-)

    Okay, so they just basically kept saying that the media needs to ask Barack Obama about any infidelities.  

    I really really really hope that there aren't any skeletons in that closet.  I don't know if I could take that.

  •  Let Us Not Forget the 1000s of "Little People" (0+ / 0-)

    who put their lives on hold or relative hold to go to work for their candidate whom they believed in.

    What character the man's apologists would claim for him crumbles before the force of the public impact his private affair had.

    They burn our children in their wars and grow rich beyond the dreams of avarice.

    by Limelite on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:28:20 PM PDT

  •  Barnicle just said reporters are going to ask (1+ / 0-)
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    Obama if he ever cheated on his wife.

    Seriously?  That's fucked up.

  •  politicians are liars (0+ / 0-)

    I am always amazed at how disillusioned people are with politicians. the primary trait of a politician is how good a liar they are. that is why actors do well in the role. these people have big egos and seek power and they think they can lie their way out of anything. most voters are so easily duped.
    that is why Obama is so refreshing. he is honest and tells the truth. he is not a liar.

    Henry Dribble "if all you have is a hammer, then everything looks like a nail." Phish/Wittgenstein

    by henry dribble on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:28:43 PM PDT

  •  David Bonoir, Edwards' campaign manager: (0+ / 0-)

    David Bonior, Edwards' campaign manager for his 2008 presidential bid, said Friday he was disappointed and angry after hearing about Edwards' confession.

    "Thousands of friends of the senator and his supporters have put their faith and confidence in him and he's let them down," said Bonior, a former congressman from Michigan. "They've been betrayed by his action."

    Asked whether the affair would damage Edwards' future aspirations in public service, Bonior replied: "You can't lie in politics and expect to have people's confidence."

    "We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America." Barack Obama

    by keeplaughing on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:30:33 PM PDT

  •  I saw Lee... (0+ / 0-)

    ...on MSNBC today.  It was about self-promotion, I see.

  •  Good god, (1+ / 0-)
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    the local media is going nuts over this.  But this is Los Angles, the hometown of sex and celebrity.

    I feel sick.

    by GlowNZ on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:31:17 PM PDT

  •  My biggest disappointment with John Edwards (2+ / 0-)

    was and always will be his vote on the Iraq War Resolution. Because there was a chasm between his hawkish talk on the war and presenting himself as someone who cared deeply about those who couldn't help themselves in this country. It didn't wash.
    His hawkish indifference to Iraqi victims and our soldiers did not jive with his populist message here at home.

    And I have, perhaps, a special take on that because I was calling all the Senators who had presidential aspirations to ask them to vote "no" for reasons that were realized as the months went by.

    Feingold announced early he would vote "no".
    Biden, Edwards, Dodd would not release and I was unable to reach Clinton's office.

    Then a couple of days before the vote Biden announced publicly that he would vote "yes". Then the others - Edwards, Dodd, Clinton - in lockstep with one another, as though they had consulted a political guru, announced at the same time, maybe a day before the vote, that they would vote "yes".

    I knew from what my neocon Congressman Culberson told me that "we were going to war" and I believe that the Congress knew it too and didn't do anything to stop it.

    I will always be grateful to people like Barack Obama, Russ Feingold, Wes Clark, Paul Wellstone and others who spoke out against it.

    Edwards seemed a little flaky to me. He acted like he was surprised about the disaster in Iraq even though responsible voices warned the Congress what would likely happen.

    So an affair while running for president, jeopardizing his party and taking unnecessary risks?   Not particularly surprising either way.

    What's suprising to me is that at a time when we need the strongest possible candidates to lead this country, there were plenty of people fawning over Edwards on this blog and attacking a rock solid candidate, Wes Clark.

    I'm counting on Barack Obama to be seriously considering asking General Clark to be his running mate. We need character and leadership to turn this country around.

    I've been criticized for repeating this message in diaries and comments...all I can say is that I am not particularly surprised about John Edwards.

    I would be incredibly surprised if either Barack Obama or Wes Clark found themselves in this uncomfortable position.

    They both have character, independence, judgment, and a strong public commitment.

    This may sound mean, but John Edwards strikes me as a narcissist. How irresistable it must have been for him when a video photographer wanted to work on remaking his image for his campaign.

    I'm sad for Elizabeth.

  •  What if Kerry had won? (1+ / 0-)
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    The Kerry Edwards ticket was a few polling machines in urban centers short of taking Ohio in 2004 and winning the presidency. Every day I wonder if we would have Barack Obama now if Karl Rove didn't cheat and things turned out differently.

    While we would have all avoided 4 more years of the Bush regime, the Kerry Edwards ticket would most likely be running against McCain this year and this announcement would have been a bombshell, possibly hurting the entire Democratic Party, even in Congressional races. Edwards would have had to resign and the Republicans would be a gorilla to tranquilize all over again.

    Instead, call it fate or luck or karma, but little John Edwards is far from the presidency, Barack Obama is our unstoppable man, and the Repugs risk being a minority party for the next 50 years. Make that 100 since that's how long McSame plans on losing in Iraq.

    •  this is really way out (1+ / 0-)
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      if kerry won would edwards have been at that bar at that time to meet that woman? and we should be glad we had four additional years of bush because it gifted us with obama??

      •  Gifted is way too strong a word (3+ / 0-)

        I think the Rolling Stones put it best: "You can't always get what you want, but you just might find, sometimes, you get what you need."

        I don't think it's too far out there to say that Fuhrer Bush's second term was the worst thing to happen to the Republican Party. It hasn't been pretty for civil rights or world peace, that's for damn sure, but it has helped move this country back toward sanity, the Dems, and Barack Obama.

        It's true, you can play the what if game until you're blue in the face. I always thought Edwards was kind of phony, I could never put my finger on it, just something always irritated me. I feel sorry for his family more than anything else. Barack is the real deal.

        •  I agree. (2+ / 0-)
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          There was always something about Edwards that just didn't sit right with me.

        •  remember what bob dylan said, "don't follow (0+ / 0-)

          leaders and watch your parking meters"...i think obama will be an amazingly wonderful improvement over bush as would daffy duck and i think kerry would have been a even better improvement than obama will be.

          kerry knew his shit, had been a prosecutor, war hero, war protester, senator, environmentalist, civil rights supporter, pro-choice liberal for decades but in amerika he was able to be labeled a coward and fop...with any luck obama can avoid such bullshit and become the first person of color ( and mixed race at that ...but then aren't we all?...) to win the white house. i will work real hard for him but there is no delusion in my mind that the bush years brought anything but horror and that we would have been infinitely better off with kerry ( just think, with kerry there would have never been a chief justice roberts and a justice alito)....but in any case lets take back the country and demand our democrats get to work building a sane world for future generations.

  •  Why I am not outraged-- (2+ / 0-)
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    John Edwards showed me, back in 2004, that it was possible to name--to call out, to speak about--the terrible inequality of our society. He, more than any other person, somehow--and for the first time in decades--showed me that it is possible to speak clearly and effectively about the terrible injustices in our country.

    And he did this with fervor--with passion and with energy, reminding me, also, that we can be outraged about what is wrong.

    So, for me, Edwards restored these two things, clarity and fervor, which somehow were sadly lacking from our discourse about social and economic justice.

    This naming, and this outrage, are, for me, the precedents for effective action. They motivate me and they help set me on a course toward change.

    So, for me, Edwards, in a sense, made Barack Obama possible. He made me believe that someone like Barack Obama was possible and so he made me able to hear what Obama said when Obama entered the center of the political stage.

    This is why John Edwards is important to me. This is why he'll always be important for me. He made me feel and he made me think about things in a way I thought I had forgotten.

    Nebraska: Who knew it was a hotbed of activist trust-funded latte-drinking Prius-driving brainwashed caucusers? It's not just about the corn.

    by cultural worker on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:33:38 PM PDT

  •  The only way this could be better news for Obama (1+ / 0-)
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    Is if JRE had been indicted for corruption.

    Oh, wait, those are the Republican rules. My mistake!

  •  repukes are happy if one has sex with a human n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  Well I think I will be (0+ / 0-)

    watching the olympics tonight.  Screw the news.  We all know what it will be about.

    by GlowNZ on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:37:39 PM PDT

  •  I think this is enough. (2+ / 0-)
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    We run into serious trouble with ourselves when we expect our politicians to be squeaky clean, and then project onto others our indignation.  Admittedly, I am relieved (so far) that Edwards is not running, but there seems to be a shortage of compassion both here and elsewhere in this country and blogs to accept in a heartfelt way our frailty as humans.  On the whole, I would prefer Bill Clinton or Edwards as president than someone who committed over 120,000 acts of premeditated murder in Iraq (and NYC?) on behalf of big oil interests any day.

    Get some perspective, folks.  Who has not felt the need for love beyond a primary relationship, or when you have had more than you can handle?  The problem isn't the act, it is the fear of the truth that hurts more.

    I say let's be glad of where we are at right now, and pray that John and his families find a path to healing.

    We all have work to do.

  •  Shoe's on the other foot... (1+ / 0-)
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    I remember, back during the clinton impeachment/ lewinsky SNAFU, Edwards talking about how he would not have had Clinton appear with him during his campaign if he had known about it.

    My stomach churns just thinking about the situation we'd be in had he clinched the nomination. As someone who grew up in North Carolina, I must admit he was my first pick out of the big 3 for this election; now I consider him the jerk who could have lost 2008.

  •  Disappointemnt in BOTH Edwards (1+ / 0-)
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    I agree that the situation is a private one between John and Elizabeth.  

    But when John denied the affair (i.e. lied)during the primary, Elizabeth was complicit as well in her silence in response to a known lie.

    Disappointment :-(

  •  Bill Clinton was a serial adulterer (1+ / 0-)
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    Prairie Gal

    and ran for president twice and won both times.  If y'all are going to come down on Edwards like a ton of bricks, let's at least be fair.

    I'm already against the next war.

    by deoll on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:41:29 PM PDT

  •  We eat our own. (1+ / 0-)
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    Republicans don't.

    Guess who wins the election.

    Republicans are laughing all the way to the White House.

  •  Get down with the sickness! (0+ / 0-)

    Men have been straying from their main squeeze since testicles were invented, thus it is no big surprise that a young, handsome politician gets some leg on the side. Is anyone truly shocked by this news? In 2008? Really?

    However, it IS possible to resist the call of the wild, leave that phone on the hook, keep your stick on the ice. And keeping your nose clean is especially important in the supremely sexually repressed United States of America, where any hint of having fun in foul territory is considered a hanging offense. Enough metaphors yet?

    Cheating is bad if you're a Democrat, anyway. If you're a Republican like McCain, the media seems poised to forgive forever. After all, my friends, Hanoi Hilton, Hanoi Hilton, Hanoi Hilton, knowing chuckle, my wife should enter the boob contest, have some more ribs.

    That said, Edwards is making me sick now. Where's the discipline, Johnny? Couldn't you hold your fire until you were in office? Apparently not.

    Men. They cheat. Especially the good looking ones.

    Watch out, Barack...

    Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine!

    by jimbo92107 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:43:10 PM PDT

  •  Yeech! Pitiful!! Sad!!! n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  He did it because he could (1+ / 0-)
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    That was the one thing Bill said that was the truth, and its the one thing that leads to other power-hungry politicians having affairs.  And while an affair doesn't make one a bad president, it certainly should make voters question the veracity of other statements a politician makes, especially if he has a history of election-year changes.

    •  He did it because she liked sucking him. (0+ / 0-)

      An enthusiastic cocksucker..........

      All the other bull didn't mean a damn thing.

      BTW: you think Bill has stopped getting his horn polished ????

      Really ???

      Dixie Chicks, Amy Winehouse, Imus, and Rev. Wright. Overcome our evil with good.

      by vets74 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:58:05 PM PDT

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  •  Democrats make love, Republicans make war. (1+ / 0-)
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    My how little has changed.

    And the pious little hypocrites of this country come out of the woodwork to build a cross for anyone who has an inappropriate sexual affair, but you can piss on the constitution, thumb your nose to wolrd opinion, conduct an unjust war and fuck that up too, and you'll still be a hero to half the country.


    Now you all know why I'm an atheist, because to have priorities like these and think that's what the almighty, all-knowing, all-powerful ethereal force in the universe really wants just makes me wish I was still hanging out with the apes.

    George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

    by snafubar on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:44:14 PM PDT

  •  All laws and morals apply to anyone who is (0+ / 0-)

    not a Republican.  Republicans - and only republicans - need privacy, compassion, understanding, forgiveness, and a media "we've already discussed this now move along" attitude.

    You can't choose sides on a round planet.

    by IamLorax on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:45:26 PM PDT

  •  Most polls here showed you supported this guy... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...before he dropped out.  And now everyone (well most everyone) is so quick to throw him under the bus with this feigned disappointment.

    I say so what - he had an affair. Big deal.  It doesn't impact whether he's fit to lead one bit.

    Though I admit, it does impact his "electability" - but the notion he'd be a terrible President because of it is BS.

    Frankly, Im surprised at the level of venom being spewed around here because of this.  

    •  if i believed for one minute (0+ / 0-)

      that JE was unable to control his passions I would not have supported him for one minute. Not because I am holier than thou, but because the GOP would shred him to pieces and we the people would be the ones that paid the price: another 8 years of republican in the WH. I fiercely supported JE, but man am I glad the people of Iowa saw things differently.

      And this, I might add is why the Clintons aren't the candidate either, because this shit would have been thrown at them too. There are rumors galore that Bill is still a philander and even if he isn't, they would try their best to remind us of when he was.

      Obama doesn't have this issue and all the GOP can do is  try to put his image next to 2 dumb blondes, it's as close as they can get to making him out to be some sleazebag.

    •  What's The Big Deal? (0+ / 0-)

      The big deal is for the last eight years the American people got fucked...but that's not what our media wants us to discuss.  No, they tell us the economy isn't that bad.  WTF!

      I pass a new subdivision all the time.  The front gates were put in less than two years ago.  Not one house was put in.  They couldn't sell one.  My husband commented to someone how rich these folks were to put in a fancy subdivision and this economy not affect them.  Well the man stopped him and told them that the head of the company who was the builder committed suicide the day before.

      Yep, another sign our economy is fucked but the story is who is fucking whom is Washington.  Unbelievable.

      You can't choose sides on a round planet.

      by IamLorax on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:55:46 PM PDT

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  •  Oh for fuck sake... (6+ / 0-)

    Get a grip people.

    On a day when Russia has invaded Georgia (I'm sure Fox News is saying Florida and South Carolina are next), the United States has two more carrier groups steaming to the Middle East, our deficit and debt are nearing all time highs, unemployment numbers are the highest they have been since the great depression, and we have a potential global environemtal distaster on the horizon, we give all of this coverage to John Edwards???  

    It is no wonder the rest of the world shakes its collective head at America, we can't prioritize the things that matter and deserve our attention.  Who really cares if John Edwards is banging some woman on the side?  It doesn't matter and really is none of our business.  If we ignored this sensationalistic garbage and forced the media to focus on the issues that matter we might actually become the world leader we once were.

  •  OMG (4+ / 0-)
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    I was not an Edwards supporter, but everyone so angry at him has me confused. He would have given the election to McCain???   What are you people thinking? McCain had an affair while he was married to his first wife. I haven't seen one diary or comment about how that will cost him the presidency.

    How come when Edwards has an affair it's a betrayal of "us and the Democratic Party" but when John McCain does it it's ho hum. You mean the party of 'family values' cares less about extra-marital sex than the Democratic Party?  Geez, folks.

    No distractions. Not this time.

    by royce on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:47:16 PM PDT

  •  I'm amazed (0+ / 0-)

    Hardly no one is talking about the $100,000+ of campaign contributions that was essentially given to her as hush money.  I want my $50 back.

  •  I'm just sad (0+ / 0-)

    He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone

    No more to say

    Barack Obama will be President, John Edwards will send George W Bush to The Hague

    by vanguardia on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:52:17 PM PDT

  •  I'm Only Concerned About His Wife And Children (0+ / 0-)

    John Edwards I could care less if he gets hit by a MACK truck, or two...

    McCain/(Hagee+Parsley) '08 "We Hunt Jews and Muslims So You Dont Have To. Straight Talk"

    by DFutureIsNow on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:52:38 PM PDT

  •  So that's why he quit... (1+ / 0-)
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    I was wondering why one day he was saying he was going to take it all the way to the convention, and the next day drops out.

    Nobody ever explained the sudden switch, I figured it had to either be 1) Donors all pulled out, or 2) Someone had something on him.

  •  Lost my respect (0+ / 0-)

    ...and it basically has to do with his asinine selfishness, not just for getting his rocks off outside of marraige, but of course for running for the nomination and thinking that this would not come out. Stupid and selfish.

  •  It's days like these where (0+ / 0-)

    being an atheist really relieves an individual from a lot of guilt and anxiety.

    On my personal reaction radar, this is about a one on a scale of 10.

    This is between Edwards and Mrs. Edwards.

    End of story.

    With money, all things are possible. <---- me

    by that sucking sound on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:56:38 PM PDT

  •  Lee Stranahan (1+ / 0-)
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    So, has the Daily Kos apologised to Lee Stranahan for the way in which they treated him?


  •  Try this exercise (0+ / 0-)

    Imagine Edwards was the Presidential candidate for the Democratic Party.  Close your eyes and really try to imagine it.  Now what kind of comments and diaries wouldyou be writing?

    •  None because (0+ / 0-)

      that is not what is happening.  he is not the candidate for president.  Hypotheticals are bullshit and pointless.

      by GlowNZ on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:15:02 PM PDT

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    •  Imagine Republican attack ads (0+ / 0-)

      that graphically represent the Dem pres. candidate cheating on his wife as she battles cancer.

      Sure, it's hypocritical considering the GOP track record but since when did that ever stop the GOP from diving as low as they could? They wore purple band-aids to mock Kerry's purple heart for crying out loud. There's not anything they wouldn't do.

      Edwards's apology seems genuine, but so did his earlier denials. His performance makes me want to retch.

      Henry Wallace (1944): "The American fascists are most easily recognized by their deliberate perversion of truth and fact."

      by TNThorpe on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:27:03 PM PDT

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      •  reading that just made me (0+ / 0-)


        by GlowNZ on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:31:50 PM PDT

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        •  Have you been paying attention to the political (0+ / 0-)

          culture here? Have you any idea how vicious it is?

          Do you think that GOP strategists schooled by Rove and Atwater wouldn't go there?

          Look at WcCain's "THE ONE" ad. He's picking on Obama for being popular. Character destruction is all the GOP has apart from "drill here, drill now" and "be very very afraid, but don't stop going to the mall."

          I'm sick of being called puritan or moralist for knowing how this would be used to derail what ought to be a huge political realignment in November if Edwards had gotten the nomination. I was an active volunteer for him as well and still think that on positions he's the best candidate of the three.

          I've seen GOP character assassination work time and again here and I'm furious with Edwards for being so stupid.

          It's not a question of "sex obsession" as you've so blithely put. It's a matter of judgment and personal arrogance, to which Edwards admits in his apology.

          You should go read it, though its moral tone might make you vomit.

          Henry Wallace (1944): "The American fascists are most easily recognized by their deliberate perversion of truth and fact."

          by TNThorpe on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:46:31 PM PDT

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      •  Are they that stupid? (0+ / 0-)

        Implying the first viable black candidate might be oversexed as well?  Geez, then we could rightfully claim racial politics.  I hope they don't though.  I would hate to see BO have to go down that ugly road.

        •  Rove's "country club comment" (0+ / 0-)

          is close enough as makes no difference.

          The fancy guy with the hot date. I mean, really, there is no bottom for the GOP's slime and hypocrisy.

          Henry Wallace (1944): "The American fascists are most easily recognized by their deliberate perversion of truth and fact."

          by TNThorpe on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 11:32:24 PM PDT

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  •  Did David Gregory just say this "casts a (1+ / 0-)
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    shadow over Obama's campaign?"

    yes, sadly, he did.


    John McCain: America Can't Afford Healthy Children

    by Chrispy67 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:01:33 PM PDT

    •  Really! This is all about the right wing media (0+ / 0-)

      that's leading a "cause"

      It's fucking funny that they don't say shit about killing innocent people over lies the Bush Administration created...but this this is a moral outrage.  Toot the horns!  Wave the flag!  Democrats heads should roll!  

      Fuuuuuuuuck the media.

      You can't choose sides on a round planet.

      by IamLorax on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:09:13 PM PDT

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  •  Perfect Timing (1+ / 0-)
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    If you ask me, it's perfect timing. At the height of this scandal, there should be an ad about the candidate who is the adulterer. How about a shot of a woman in a wheel chair and a 40 something year old guy with his arms draped across a 20 year old blonde behind?

    Caption something like: Would you vote for an adulterer who left his crippled wife during her greatest need for her husband? McCain has been playing dirty. It's time for a dose of his on medicine. Maybe someone could get Paris to be the Cindy. After all, payback is H.

  •  ENOUGH! Come on guys (0+ / 0-)

    I will immediately apologize for yelling, but I'm sick of "wide stances," illegitimate babies and sex on the side by Republicans and Democrats alike.

    I do believe Edwards could have single-handedly sunk the party had he won the nomination. He owes everyone an apology for that. Beyond that, his wife has cancer and we don't know their arrangement. That part is non of our business. This is true for McCain, Bush, Spitzer, Barney Frank and others.

    Let's get a grip.

    I'm at least he glad he didn't make her stand next to him when he issued his statement.

    "Never was so little asked of so many by so few"--Stephen Colbert

    by EMorgan on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:02:26 PM PDT

  •  John Edwards is an... (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm surprised by some of the total outrage.  I mean, what's the big deal?  He's not the nominee or currently holding any other political office.

    While I think adultry is wrong, I guess I don't understand the name-calling and such.  I do think it's necessary for the public to know since we don't need to have people of questionable ethical/moral judgement in our government, but beyond that... so what?  

    I also think anyone who classifies this as a 'mistake' really is mischaracterizing the situation.  Affairs aren't mistakes.  The "I'm sorry" doesn't usually come until after they are caught.  I'm a big believer in the "cheater is always a cheater" saying and I highly doubt that this is the only 'mistake' Edwards has had along the way.

  •  Nothing faux about my outrage, thank you (0+ / 0-)

    You can rant all you want to about our "puritanical society", and how we hold politicians up to one standard and movie stars to another, etc. etc., but the point is these men know exactly what they are doing, the risks they're running, and who will be hurt when the secret comes out.  

    Maybe Europeans laugh at our political scandals, but this isn't Europe.  If you're a political figure in America,  you'd better keep your pants zipped until you're out of the public eye. If you can't wait to screw someone you're not married to, find a lobbying job.  

    "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." (Frederick Douglass, 1857)

    by dotalbon on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:05:09 PM PDT

  •  I was an Edwards volunteer. (2+ / 0-)
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    moira977, GlowNZ

    I spent countless hours volunteering for the Edwards campaign. His ideas, his vision, his love for this country touched me. Every time he made a speech about the uninsured, those one lost paycheck away from poverty, he was talking about me and my family.

    I'm disappointed that he would cheat on his wife. I'm disappointed that he lied about it, even though it's no one's business. I'm sad that this could have cost the Dems the White House in November, even though McCain is an even bigger rat. It's like a kick to the stomach and my heart hurts.  

    But what makes my heart hurt even more is the venom I'm seeing thrown in his direction.  All of the work the Edwards' have done to help families in need, all of the work they've done to help low income kids go to college, all of the years they devoted to making this country a better place, is ignored in the face of this.  Those of you name calling and just being simply base-nasty need to take a deep breath, for God's sake.

    "Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek." Barack Obama

    by Sarah Ann on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:09:31 PM PDT

    •  Yes. (1+ / 0-)
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      Im actually disappointed at John myself but i think hes probably feeling quite a bit of pain so I dont feel the need to hurl insults at him as others have done/

      Express your anger and disspointement but name calling and telling him to fuck off are  just sad.

      by GlowNZ on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:13:49 PM PDT

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  •  Hello. IUD? Babykiller. (0+ / 0-)

    But please, don't let me interrupt everybody's paeans to their own virginal purity.

    I don't give a 3-second fuck what you think about Edwards' affair, because you are distracted.

    What I'd rather see you focus on, because many of the people playing holier-than-thou are folks I'd otherwise respect, is how you feel about having just been made a target of those scary Army of God motherfucking fascists and their Republican-terrorist minions, because you dared to exercise a little responsibility about protecting yourself and your partner from unwanted pregnancy.

    I even made a diary about it, but it will pale in comparison to the furious masturbation going on in threads like these, as the luminaries of Kos get blockquoted and front-paged for telling us they'd never go there.

    Wake me when the burning in effigy is over. I don't want to miss the Olympics.

  •  Democrats have to hold themselves to a higher (0+ / 0-)

    standard.  We already went through this with Bill and it hurt.  No need to go through it again...

    Hubris is right!

    -6.0/-6.21 John McCain: he's not change you can believe in!

    by doctorgirl on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:14:56 PM PDT

  •  I just don't understand how such smart people.... (0+ / 0-)

    ...who want jobs in politics can be so stupid as to engage in a affair like this. He did not fall in love, this was just a stupid thing to do.

    As many have already said, thank god he is not our candidate, we do not need crap like this right now. It is too important for Democrats to win this one.

    01-20-09: THE END OF AN ERROR

    by kimoconnor on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:15:07 PM PDT

  •  A Plea to Elizabeth (1+ / 0-)
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    Do us all a favor and refuse to play the good political wife and stand there like a deer in headlights while he does the media mea culpa. Instead, divorce his sorry, deceitful ass, run for political office and WIN. There are many of us out here that will happily support you. And not because he did you wrong, but because of your ideas, your passion and your intelligence.

    "They always say time changes things, but you actually have to change them yourself" - Andy Warhol

    by leslieb310 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:15:48 PM PDT

    •  Bullshit (3+ / 0-)
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      That is entirely her choice not yours.  One she onvisouly has made already since this happened 2 years go.


      by GlowNZ on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:18:15 PM PDT

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    •  You know... (1+ / 0-)
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      There are plenty of relationships that survive affairs. Just because a woman chooses to stay try to make things work doesn't mean she's a kept woman or without a backbone. Same goes for women who cheat.  It's so easy to say 'leave leave leave' but the reality of such situations is rarely so black and white.

      "Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek." Barack Obama

      by Sarah Ann on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:20:55 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  You know what is sad. (0+ / 0-)

    is this story made NEW ZEALAND news.  I did not realise they even knew who he was.  

    I guess America has exported its obsession with sex stories to new zealand.

    by GlowNZ on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:17:11 PM PDT

  •  McCain was worse (1+ / 0-)
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    And second: what if he had become the nominee and this came out?  He would have basically handed the presidency to the Republican nominee.

    I don't buy that.  McCain dumped his first wife for a trophy heiress, after she stayed faithful while he was away at war.  Edwards may have screwed up (sorry) here but he salvaged his marriage and tried to atone to Elizabeth (if not to us).
    Merely having bothered to get divorced first DOES NOT make McCain's behavior MORE honorable.

    "You can't nice these people to death."-- John Edwards

    by ge0rge on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:18:38 PM PDT

  •  Make a donation to Susan G. Komen... (0+ / 0-)

    I just checked the FAQ regarding diary pimping because I wasn't sure; I interpreted it as saying that diary pimping in recommended diaries (such as Meteor Blades' and david mizner's) is not cool, but doing such in a relevant front-page story is ok.  If I'm wrong, feel free to let me know and/or HR this comment.

    My response to the JRE scandal was to make a donation to the Susan G. Komen for the Cure breast cancer charity -- as I diaried here, but my diary fell off the recent list in Olympic-record time.  I'm attempting to have my donation to JRE's campaign returned or donated to charity; if returned to me, I'll then donate it myself on behalf of Elizabeth, but even if it's not returned, I still pledge to make an equivalent donation when I hear back from the campaign.

    There were no winners today with this news, but I can only hope that SGK is able to make a few tomorrow.

    "Is it possible that we should prepare against other threats besides terrorists?" - Al Gore

    by Simply Agrestic on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:19:34 PM PDT

  •  This reinforces (1+ / 0-)
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    Doggie269 staunch support of Mike Gravel

  •  Shall we BURN HIM?...done already........ (0+ / 0-)
  •  What pisses me off now.... (2+ / 0-)
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    gleniris, skillet

    is that it is going to be non-stop coverage and analysis of this shit, when there is a friggin war breaking out. Leave it to the MSM to go supermarket tabloid. I guess I will stick with BBC to get decent coverage of anything important today.

  •  I'd like to see a poll. (2+ / 0-)
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    GlowNZ, Obama Amabo

    Had John Edwards been the presumptive Democratic nominee for President, how many people here who last week would have been planning on voting in the fall for Democrat John Edwards over Republican John McCain, would now be planning on instead voting for Republican John McCain instead of Democrat John Edwards?  

    Let's put this in perspective.  For instance, is admitting to having had an affair two years ago and then patching things up with the wife long before making it public, worse than, say, when Obama blinked and capitulated on FISA?  I know what sort of things matter most to me, and yet I still support Obama.  And John Edwards.

    Vote John Edwards and break the corporate media stranglehold on American politics.

    by Subversive on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:44:50 PM PDT

    •  That's a very generous interpretation of events (0+ / 0-)

      If the affair was over that long ago then why was he visiting her in a hotel room at 2 AM just recently?

      We sink or swim together.

      by BrighidG on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:51:33 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Answer: Enough people nationally that... (0+ / 0-) would give the election to McCain, and sentence the world to at least four more years of Bush policies.  Not to downplay Obama's FISA vote, but the above is the reason that what Edwards did is so reprehensible.

      I really don't care if he had sex with barnyard animals -- but if he knew that stories of him and Buttercup might surface and be verified during the campaign, he'd have no right to ask Democrats to support his candidacy.  

      "He who fights against monsters must see to it that he does not become a monster in the process."

      by Obama Amabo on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:22:18 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Pure speculation. (0+ / 0-)

        It didn't hurt Bill Clinton, when he was running for office.  And it barely scratched him when he poked an intern in the White House, even after a coalition of Republicans and Democratic purity trolls like the ones who have recently surfaced on DKos to blow 40 bajillion dollars on bringing semen-stained clothing to the TV screens of the world.  And it doesn't seem to be hurting John McCain.

        Vote John Edwards and break the corporate media stranglehold on American politics.

        by Subversive on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 09:33:08 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Come on people... (2+ / 0-)
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    1.  I don't care that he had an affair...
    1.  It's none of my business (just like w/WJC)
    1.  Sexual behavior (legal) as a marker of a person's       intrinsic worth is a crock.
    1.  It's not your business either
    1.  However, lying is a bad thing and that is germane to a person's suitability for leadership.
  •  Just what do Democrats think that FISA bill was (0+ / 0-)

    for? Why is there the ability to sweep up everything, have no oversight?

    People, they are listening to anyone they want to. And who they really want to listen to is the opposition party.

  •  thank goodness he wasn't the nominee (0+ / 0-)

    because our goose would be cooked.  Also, thank goodness Obama didn't pick him for VEEP.

    That's all I have to say about that.

  •  Edwards IS a Bastard, but MCCAIN is WORSE (1+ / 0-)
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    McCain had an affair with his disfigured wife and then left her for an heiress

    Edwards is a bastard, but keep in mind that John McCain did the SAME damn thing!!

    tell that to Fox

    The Seminole Democrat
    A blue voice calling from the deep red

    by SemDem on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:07:09 PM PDT

  •  My letter to the Edwards campaign (2+ / 0-)
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    TNThorpe, Prairie Gal

    Dear ----

    When Edwards entered into his affair, he did so knowing that he was placing his Presidential campaign at risk, given the realities of America today. He was thus not totally committed to his campaign and as such, I feel he collected donations under false pretences. I want my money back.

    Maybe there are enough angry Edwards voters out there to file a class action law suit.

    Very angry,

  •  If the Democrats were a party (0+ / 0-)
    based on principles rather than just a group of like-minded individuals/careerists, this wouldn't happen so often.  

    In the (unlikely) event that a person like Norman Thomas, let alone Big Bill Haywood had done something like this, their party would simply have named another person who equally well represented the party platform, and the campaign would have continued.

  •  This mean he won't be getting the Jetski? n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    Doggie269, TNThorpe

    Vote John Edwards and break the corporate media stranglehold on American politics.

    by Subversive on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:19:46 PM PDT

  •  Scarface sez ........ (0+ / 0-)

    "That piece of shit up there, I never liked him, I never trusted him."

    Tony Montana, ca. 1983

  •  Why was Edwards the DKOS favorite? (1+ / 0-)
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    That is a more interesting question. A one term Senator with an undistinguished term, a relatively conservative voting record, unable to win re-election or carry his home state as VP, an Iraq war sponsor.

    Easily the least accomplished, most conservative Democratic candidate running yet he was touted here as the "most progressive" candidate despite the hard facts of his record.

    It was worth one's virtual life to question Edwards record or qualifications on DKOS.

    Perhaps the Edwards affair (the one between the Edwards and DKOS not his illicit affair) should give the DKOS community a bit more perspective and humility in its judgments.

    •  Something I always wondered. (0+ / 0-)

      It was him, not Obama, that was the all talk and no action candidate.

      We sink or swim together.

      by BrighidG on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:48:34 PM PDT

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    •  He actually drove a lot of the attention to issue (0+ / 0-)

      s that were so important, such as health care and poverty. He did a service in that way but I still will not ever forgive him.

      IT TOOK five years, the deaths of 4,100 US soldiers... to make Iraq safe for Exxon. ~ Derrick Z. Jackson

      by Gorette on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 08:20:57 PM PDT

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      •  Edwards actually did nothing for those issues (1+ / 0-)
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        while in office.  He had a conservative voting record in comparison to Biden, Clinton, Dodd and Obama.

        Edwards SPONSORSHIP of the disastrous Iraq war drained $1T that could have gone to health care, education, jobs but he chose otherwise.

        Edwards decision on Iraq was emblematic of his entire career. He chose to sponsor the Iraq war out of pure political self interest. He thought it would benefit him politically and he did not care about the cost to the nation.  Same is true of his entire political campaign, knowing he was a "dead man walking" politically due to his admitted affair in 2006.

        Just as with Iraq, Edwards was willing to trade the nation's best interests to further his own political career.

        •  during campaign, he did......... (0+ / 0-)

          I am not defending him. I resent it terribly that he ran despite this affair, knowing full well what it would mean if/when it was discovered. He thoroughly disgusts me for this dishonesty while asking us to contribute to a "new morality."

          I hate feeling I was gullible. And that's a terrible thing to do to progressives who want to believe improvements can be made.

          IT TOOK five years, the deaths of 4,100 US soldiers... to make Iraq safe for Exxon. ~ Derrick Z. Jackson

          by Gorette on Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 09:02:53 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  I was an Edwards supporter back when.... (0+ / 0-)

    And I'm dismayed and disappointed.
    Who knows why people do the things they do?
    I'll bet even John couldn't tell you!
    Certainly there have been many examples of what can happen when you, as a politican, engage in such behaviour and get caught.
    John would have been aware of those. He made the choice anyway.
    And right now he is going to pay the price for his hubris. As he see things exploding in his face he says stupid things, that only make him look worse.
    But unfortunate as this is, I am more concerned about doing whatever we can to get Obama elected. I do not want to dwell on John Edwards. I do want to focus on John McCain (and why he is unfit to be president).
    The issues facing this country are so great we can't allow but a minute to pour out our angst againt John Edwards. We must move on and keep fighting for A Democratic President, and a Democratic majority in Congress, in November.

  •  I guess we can't throw rocks anymore (0+ / 0-)

    at least in the adultery glass house

    I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat. Will Rogers

    by thestructureguy on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:54:10 PM PDT

  •  I was a big Edwards supporter (0+ / 0-)

    and donated money to his campaign I could barely afford -- and I don't regret it one bit. I don't feel betrayed. I am a little bit angry though at all the people piling on him. Though I understand why some do, I've already been down that road with loved ones and friends, and now just feel very much sadder-but-wiser.

    What I really don't get is the people who say Edwards is through. If you're going to write off every cheating Democratic politician you won't have many left to fill the halls of Congress or the White House offices. I think a lot of folks here never liked Edwards anyway and this justifies them. Fine, but why take down a man who stands for a lot of Democratic party ideals?

  •  I'm with Meteor Blades & we need Elizabeth (0+ / 0-)

    It isn't the affair - it's that he knew this was lurking in this background when he ran for the nomination.

    I expect Elizabeth will remain in seclusion for a while if only to avoid the media. But I hope she emerges and fulfills the promise she showed in her own right and becomes a voice for universal health care. I hope Edwards' actions haven't robbed us of that.

  •  Is this our business - people in glass houses (0+ / 0-)

    My initial reaction was he's through.  But after thinking about it - LIKE US, HE'S HUMAN and therefore allowed to mess up.  

    He said he messed up.  Clinton didn't do that until it got way out of hand and look how he came back.  Clinton, Kennedy, Roosevelt how many great presidents were in affairs?  

    This is not our business it belongs to the family, ONLY.  The media just needs some gossip to make some money on and we're all eager to put someone down so we buy it.

    He's a good man who messed up.  His career is not over unless he gives up to the MSM.  He better not give up.  That would be the bad that comes out of this.

    So all you trashing him - you'd best watch those stones on YOUR glass houses!

    Signed, an Edwards Delegate who has faith in a good guy who makes mistakes - just like the rest of us.

  •  Elizabeth Edwards (1+ / 0-)
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    Wish the media would leave them alone.  The media loves a good sex story.  More was made of this so far than every law Bush has broken.

    John Edwards unlike Bill Clinton wasn't under oath.  And hey Larry Craig is still in Congress.

    I just pray for Elizabeth's sake, the media calms down or there'll be blood on it's hands if she takes ill with the stress of this.  You can say fuck john edwards all you likle, but Elizabeth is married to him, forgave him.  So such words only hurt Elizabeth.  That's my two cents.  (PS I know alot of Republicans who are big fans of John Edwards and would have given serious thought to voting him to be president.  Woulda been interesting if he had gottan the nod.  I don't think his career is done.  To quote Jesus, (which most republicans ignore)  He that is without sin, throw the first stone.  Does the left need to start acting like the Right.  Please say it isn't so.  :(

    •  Well said! (0+ / 0-)

      His career isn't over  The MSM is only a set of gossip mongers who are ignoring real stories - they aren't true journalists

      This is between him and his family not us

      The only thing his coming out today did was to prove he is a strong person - he has to be to live with this and so eloquently and honestly come forth about it.  He's human - who among us isn't

      He's gained more of my respect today

      Too many great presidents messed up and still did good things - the true crime will be if this affects Elizabeth or if John lets this stop him

      His causes are still real and his career is far from over - unless he chooses it to be

  •  Greetings, lizardoids. (0+ / 0-)

    Would one of you goose-stepping Busholaters (wingnut site warning) kindly explain why the private life of a non-candidate is even news?

    The disappointment must be even sharper because Edwards was the farthest left candidate in the Democratic Party (save for Dennis "UFO" Kucinich),

    Hey, waitafugginminute, I thought that was B. Hussein Osama.

    and made deliberate attempts to pander to the leftist blogosphere by hiring one of the nastiest Nutroots bloggers, Amanda Marcotte. Who he subsequently fired.

    This is Amanda Marcotte's blog.  And yes, she is "nasty".  Gay bashers, Bible-thumpers and sexists deserve nothing less.

    Osama has killed his thousands, and Bush his tens of thousands.

    by Sura 109 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 08:18:00 PM PDT

  •  Asshole is right, MB, and ditto, Georgia10! (0+ / 0-)

    Just goes to show that politiciansare aces at pulling the wool over our eyes. We can almost never be sure of anyone.

    He was my pick. I was going to vote for him in the FL primary but but at the last minute switched to Barack, wanting my vote to count. I almost went to another state to work for the guy but couldn't do it. I am appalled at this bastard's hubris.

    As MB said, no, he deserves no forgiveness by us. Damn!!

    IT TOOK five years, the deaths of 4,100 US soldiers... to make Iraq safe for Exxon. ~ Derrick Z. Jackson

    by Gorette on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 08:19:33 PM PDT

  •  Take Two indeed (0+ / 0-)

    So, people aren't being banned for posting about this anymore?

    What about those who were already banned? Gonna make amends, or what?

  •  The Typical Democratic Idealogue (0+ / 0-)

    Yes, John edwards, There are two Americas. The America of the immorals and the America of the righteous. Guess you were on the wrong side afterall.

  •  I really didn't trust him (1+ / 0-)
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    I have been for Obama, posting long diaries begging him to run since before the mid-term elections.  And this proves boy did I make the right choice.

    What was Edwards thinking??  If you're going to run on a morality, law abiding platform, don't do so lying about an affair when your wife has cancer.  He had to know he was incredibly vulnerable over this, yet he pressed on.

    The hedge fund thing, along with his giant McMansion and $400 haircuts should have been the clue.  Anyway, thank goodness he's gone.  And this means he's gone for good.

    PS  Now is the time to stick it to McCain for behaving far worse - actually dumping his wife because she was disfigured for a newer, much younger, much richer, much prettier, much better connected model (literally).  McCain has always dumped on women.  Obama is relatively strong.  I have no problem holding McCain up to the magnifying glass now that the Republicans have set the standard with Monica.  McCain wants to dump on women?  Fine.  There is no law against that.  There is also no law that says Americans have to vote for McCain.

    •  and who would want to vote for bams (0+ / 0-)

      Obama is an egotistical selfish lost-in-space loser who hasn't a positive achievement under his belt to speak of.

      He's lied to all you ostriches repeatedly and you all ignore it - what is wrong you people?

      Oh and BTW they were $200 haircuts, not 400.

      What sin haven't you commited that you can pass judgement so easily on someone else' mistake?

      •  Your guy is a liar (0+ / 0-)

        This is huge.  He lied to our faces.  He had to know he was hiding a huge problem that could sink his Presidential chances at any time should he become the nominee.  He's slime.

        And get your facts right.  He paid $800 for two haircuts.  And yes he did stare at himself in the mirror endlessly as he combed his hair into the perfect configuration.  

  •  Love to Elizabeth (0+ / 0-)

    This family has had a hard time with the death of a child , cancer and a public beating over a private misery.

  •  Edwards Put Self Above Party/Country (1+ / 0-)
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    I totally agree with others who think John Edwards was selfish to run for President as our nominee with this conveniently hidden fact waiting to rear its ugly head and give us another 4-8 years of Bush-stle governing.  I would characterize this affair as John Edwards' "Audacity of Selfish Ambition". Thank God he didn't get our Democratic nomination.

  •  etc. (0+ / 0-)

    Somewhere between the condemnation of Edwards' hypocrisy and the over-zealous reportage of what's essentially a tabloid issue dwells the truth.

    Part of me wonders how this could possibly be more salacious than Hart/Rice or Clinton/Lewinsky, which involved the downfall of a candidate and the shame of a sitting President, respectively. What was at stake here that could not be repaired by the Dem convention (which will probably now be more carefully planned)?

    Yeah, Edwards is a skunk. It's not really my business. You may go back and comb his past statements to point out his hypocrisy and I couldn't disagree about it.

    But really, why is this happening the way that it's happening? Can we really expect that Repubs do NOT have these kinds of affairs in their private lives? It's like the lesser of two evils, which is sadly what most of our political choice has been reduced to. Isn't it possible that Repubs are much better at concealing their private indiscretions because their policy involves more of a morality stance?

    I just find it fascinating that anyone's discussing how the Edwards situation will fuck up Obama's campaign. When Democrats sin, the media holds the entire party accountable in some abstract way. When Republicans do the same (Larry Craig), it's always written off as being an isolated incident. And I can't figure that out. Which sequel of The Matrix explains this little incongruency?

  •  Chalk one up to the wisdom of crowds (0+ / 0-)

    The majority saved us who those of us certainly attracted to him policy wise. And moreso as someone whom we thought was genuine.

    But enough people simply never warmed to him and it looks like they were right. He makes this kind of a mis-calculation during his presidential campaign? All Edwards had to do, was early on, talk to everyone about the '06 affair. Before throwing his hat into the ring would have been perfect. So simple. Why did he not do it?

    Let me guess.

    The bumper sticker came off tonight. Sorry John, until today I still thought you were our best hope. I only hope now that you and your wife, if she can, will still be able to do some good.

    You've got to be cou-ra-geous, to play the odds that love will win. Whatever city you're in. Was / Not Was

    by Noodles on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:20:56 AM PDT

  •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

    When the NE came out with this (especially the Hotel tryst part) they only claimed an encouter with Edwards without any photo or video proof. Of course I didn't believe it because it could just be two people on a campaign who spent hours working together. Now, this affair took place BEFORE the presidential campaign right? This means that Edwards carried on through the primaries with the knowledge of the affair with Ms.Hunter in his head. Hard to fathom how a lawyer of his stature could not understand what kind of damage this could do to his Family if it "got out". Edwards must have thought either he had all the bases covered or he thought, the hell with it, i'm going for it. Despicable decision on his part.  Also it was a selfish move to try and ignore it. If Edwards was the Dem nominee at this juncture McCain could have obliterated him.

    Human weakness is a powerful force, yet it should not have overpowered his loyalty for his Wife.

  •  BED ROOM (0+ / 0-)

    When is the CORPORATE CONTROLED MEDIA going to stay out of the peoples BED ROOM, I am of the opinion that all stops at the BED ROOM DOOR. So QUIT sniffing JOHN EDWARDS shorts or his wifes panties, there is alot more of greater of inporatince going on then us looking into EDWARDS BED ROOM. Like lieing us into a war that has cost MILLIONS of dollars and Lives, and going to cost more of both money and lives.

  •  the last action hero (0+ / 0-)

    yes, lots of people have affairs.
    including those in office and running for office.
    including those with sick wives.

    but john edwards whole message was he wasn't that guy. he was the two americas rich guy fighting for the small guy. he seemed like the last honest politician out there. the affair is a private issue, but it sucks anyway. when will obama's come out? it's a shame that the people who get to make the big decisions are usually the worst among us, but i guess that's what it takes in today's world.

    dean for america, hope not fear

    by herooftime on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 05:58:06 AM PDT

  •  Slow news day, or what? (0+ / 0-)

    It's a non-issue.  Or should be.

    And will be as soon as those accused, and their supporters, start saying, America, this is none of your GD business.  Loudly.  Obnoxiously, even.

    And in the meantime, as an interim step, for God's sake, quit having conniption fits that you justify along the lines of, "well, I'm not a Puritan, but there are a lot of people out there who are, and..."  Change "puritan" to "racist" and see how that reads.

    Cast first stone if sinless, else shut piehole.

  •  Edwards: And there's more (1+ / 0-)
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    Full disclosure: I am not a physician. But I remember reading that after the Edwards' son was killed at 16 and John Edwards was so depressed that for a while he was nonfuctional, Mrs Edwards agreed to undergo hormone therapy to facilitate late-age pregnancies so they could have more children and that there was a good chance that hormone tx had something to do with her getting cancer. If that is true, she qualifies for the adjective "noble". At this point the chrononology becomes uncertain but, whether or not the hormone tx caused the cancer, she had cancer while her husband was in the primary and continued to show up when she was on chemotherapy, which I cannot even imagine doing and which surely this shows the woman's character. Under ordinary circumstances I would not condemn Edwards for having an affair, but those circumstances were extraordinary, and I find his conduct reprehensible. NOW ADD TO THAT, this man looks back at the woman he had the affair with and says, "Oh, but I didn't love her". Isn't the man supposed to have enough gallantry to say something nice about the woman he slept with? Basically he is saying that she was just a **** or a %%%% or a #*&!. This is no gentleman. Now, let's talk about judgment. You are revving up to run for president? Every breath you take is under surveillance? You jeopardize your reputation for a quick fling? Finally, I fear that Edwards' actions may sway some Independents who, hearing about Edwards, will be reminded of Bill/Monica/cigar and draw conclusions about Democrats in general...and vote for McCain, neatly forgetting M's own marital history, which is even worse than Edwards'.  

  •  John Edwards lied? (0+ / 0-)

    The only thing that I don’t understand is why John Edwards lied about having an affair. As liberal democrats, we believe we can do what we want, when ever we want. After all, if we wanted to believe in morals, we would be conservative Republicans! I think that we can screw whoever we want. If we want to boink your wife, or your mother, that is our choice! If we want a quick blow job in the restroom at the airport, or under our desks at work, whose business is that!? We have the right to be narcissistic, sociopathic liars, if we feel like it! We are liberals. That’s who we are! If we choose to use our positions as senators and congressmen to spend millions of taxpayer’s money on our own personal real estate ventures, or extra-marital escapades, that is our business! Get over it! We’re liberals! We can do what we want! So, leave us alone and stop expecting us to have integrity!

  •  I realize he's only human... (0+ / 0-)

    ...and we all make mistakes, but I'm still disappointed in John Edwards.  I always thought his love for and faithfulness to Elizabeth rang true.  

    I feel he jeopardized his supporters and the future of our country by moving ahead with the presidential campaign.  All those supporters who volunteered their time and money...they were duped by this man.

  •  Elizabeth E. - why didn't she save the situation (0+ / 0-)

       Why is it that Democrats go on and on about how Republivcans are sanctimonious hypocrites and then don't apply the same standards for themselves.
       I like to do a test where I switch the name in a story and see how I feel, what call to action I would have.

       As I think about it, what really bothers me is about Elizabeth Edwards, who I also had a lot of respect for. Didn't she know also that this would bring down the party if he had been the Democratic party
       candidate? Why did she let it happen? Why did she go along with his public lying?

       Just because it really is a private matter doesn't mean that is the way the country will react to it. She knows that.

       The whole thing stinks.

       Obama was so clever to air all of his dirty laundry in his books before his candidacy.

       I hope he keeps his zipper zipped. I wonder if it is possible with the type of person it takes to run for president.

    •  I'm a Democrat (0+ / 0-)

      and today I think John Edwards is a sanctinonoius hypocrite.  I've supported him in both presidential campaigns and I'm sorely disappointed in him right now for going ahead with the 2008 campaign.

      At first, I felt disappointed in Elizabeth for going along with it, but I think he's been lying to her since he "confessed."  He's probably tried to smooth things over and she may not have realized the situation was as dire, as likely to be uncovered, as it turned out to be.  

      I think John Edwards got himself tangled up with a real doozie in this Rielle Hunter.  She seems to be a total wackadoo and I don't believe she's going away any time soon.

      If Edwards hadn't hidden out in that hotel bathroom, like a total idiot, who knows what might have happened?  What a fool.

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