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Now that Michael Chabon's wonderful The Yiddish Policemen's Union has copped this year's Hugo Award, I guess contra-historical fiction will be all the rage for awhile.

And look who's getting an early jump on things, none other than deep-thinker Howard Wolfson:

Clinton Advisor Blames Edwards for Her Nomination Loss

Hillary Clinton’s former campaign communications director on Monday said if John Edwards had been honest about his affair or if the news were public before the Iowa caucuses in January, the New York senator could have been the next presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, not Barack Obama.

Seriously? Is a Democratic strategist really giving Fox (and the rest of the dog pack) another angle, another reason to continue yapping on about the Edwards thing? Does Sen. Clinton's communications guy really want another adultery story to be all about her?

Howard Wolfson told FOX News on Monday that playing the what-if game doesn’t change the outcome. Still, he said he would like to have had the information earlier about Edwards’ affair with aspiring producer Rielle Hunter.

Uh-huh. And maybe I'd have liked to spend this past weekend in a hammock, eating peach pie with Scarlett Johansson, but doggonit, that didn't happen either.

"My gut tells me that had Senator Edwards dropped out of the race or had this become public prior to Iowa that we would have done better in Iowa," said Wolfson, whose candidate placed a close third behind Edwards in the Jan. 3 caucuses. "At the end of the day you can play the what-if game endlessly, and you can play both ways you know. If Senator Clinton hadn’t gotten teary eyed in New Hampshire I think Senator Obama would have won New Hampshire and he would have been the nominee in January. So there are a thousand different ways you can play the what-if game but I do believe that the result would have been different had this become public a year ago."

My gut tells me that if I have to read much more about this, I'd better run for the porcelain news analysis office.

Remember when the people who lost in the primaries would have the good grace to go back home and play these "what-if" games quietly, with a few bitter friends and a bottle of whiskey? And shut up for a few months. Maybe make a cheerful visit to the convention, smile and wave for the cameras, and then go fishing until after the election?

No. Neither can I. But if I can't have Ms J, the hammock, and the pie, couldn't somebody at least go drop in on Mr. Wolfson with a bottle of Jack Daniels and take him fishing?

Someone, please, tell me that all this Clintonist PUMA stuff will be over before the end of the convention!

Originally posted to dryfoo on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 03:17 PM PDT.

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  •  notice he also says that Clinton's (2+ / 0-)
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    not this time, NMDad

    moist eyes won her NH?  

    I am from MN and if you think our caucuses are undemocratic I have a lake to introduce you to.

    by edgeways on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 03:20:25 PM PDT

    •  Tips for this phrase alone (0+ / 0-)

      deep-thinker Howard Wolfson

      Thanks for making me laugh, and for reminding me what complete water-carrying tools the Clinton campaign staff were. I almost miss their slobbering, maniacal faces screaming hysterical nonsense every night with their special math formulas, explaining how Clinton could still get enough superdelegates.

      Sigh....I miss the good ol days.

      Vote Bush in '08: "You don't switch leaders in the middle of a war!" -George Bush 2004

      by voracious on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 05:53:08 PM PDT

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  •  Indeed (3+ / 0-)
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    gfv6800, Fixed Point Theorem, MizKit

    And maybe I'd have liked to spend this past weekend in a hammock, eating peach pie with Scarlett Johansson,

    Naked. WIth ice cream.

    Wolfson is a thug. A thug who is probably jobless unless Hillarity can run again in 2012 so it is probably sour grapes and wishful thinking.

    If at first you don't succeed, your name is not Chuck Todd.

    by Larry Madill on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 03:21:01 PM PDT

  •  If Edwards wasn't in (11+ / 0-)

    Obama would have just adapted and beat her anyway.

    She might have done better had she stopped stabbing away at Obama's back with her "threshold" comment.

    "Only the PTA? You know what the PTA stands for? Three things I respect and fear: Parents, Teachers, and Associations." [Rob Petrie]

    by eroded47095 on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 03:21:07 PM PDT

    •  I agree, and that's what I say when people say (7+ / 0-)

      ...if it was winner take all, yadda yadda...

      Obama has a smart campaign, whatever the rules were, Plouffe daddy would've mastered them, Axelrod would've helped to streer the near perfect execution. Barack's campaign does not get nearly enough credit for how amazing its turned out to be

      Save Cindy McCain -- Vote Obama!

      by LoLoLaLa on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 03:27:02 PM PDT

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      •  Everything is choreographed (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm even silly enough to think the Edwards revelation was.

        Just a hunch.

        "Only the PTA? You know what the PTA stands for? Three things I respect and fear: Parents, Teachers, and Associations." [Rob Petrie]

        by eroded47095 on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 03:28:12 PM PDT

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        •  omg! conspiracy twin! I was thinking the same! (0+ / 0-)

          But, my thought was, it gave the Rethuglicans someting to attack other than Obama while he was on vacation, and it gave the Dems a reason to talk about McCains adultery

          Save Cindy McCain -- Vote Obama!

          by LoLoLaLa on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 03:34:03 PM PDT

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      •  Also, when Obama takes office (1+ / 0-)
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        I think I might just stay away from politics.

        I'll be able to trust him to run things.

        Obama and my new Democratic Congress.

        That will be Liberty.

        I'll send my representors off to Congress, after electing my good Democratic Candidate, and then go about my life ignoring Washington until the next election.

        That's how Liberty in our Representative Democracy was set up by the Founders.

        It would be sweet Liberty if I could just ignore Washington between election cycles.

        "Only the PTA? You know what the PTA stands for? Three things I respect and fear: Parents, Teachers, and Associations." [Rob Petrie]

        by eroded47095 on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 03:34:22 PM PDT

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        •  Heck no! (0+ / 0-)

          That's when you gotta stay on their asses.

          There was never any point in trying to lobby "Tubes" Stevens or "Not-Even-Worth-a-Disparaging-Epithet" Lieberman, but if we do elect a real working majority of dems, then that is exactly when we have to keep after them.

          The lobbyists aren't going to give up and go home. Your representative needs to know that you still care, that you're paying attention to what she does in this session, and that the groundswell of real public support and true public financing will only be available next time if she sticks to the promises and makes some hard choices, and gets the work done.

          You've got to stay in touch, and you've got to continue to organize: online virtual communities and your actual meat-world neighbors, too.  The best speech a President Obama could give would be, "Now that we're here, you gotta keep after us!"

          Wouldn't it be great if they taught classes about this stuff in public school?  Oh yeah, they did used to, it was called Civics, and they dumbed it down so much that nobody minded when they finally made it go away.

          Apocalypse? I'd prefer Wax Lips.

          by dryfoo on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 10:38:26 PM PDT

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    •  If Edwards wasn't in (1+ / 0-)
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      Maybe Clinton would have been even more thrashed and had to drop out sooner. Then she wouldn't have done so much damage to the pary and the candidate with her lying negative advertising and the bullshit "math" that Wolfson and McCaulliffe screamed nightly.

      In case there are more people wondering why Clinton won't be VP, it is because her psycho staff makes everyone sick.

      Vote Bush in '08: "You don't switch leaders in the middle of a war!" -George Bush 2004

      by voracious on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 05:55:53 PM PDT

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  •  He didn't notice HIllary came in a distant 3rd? (4+ / 0-)
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    And after JRE dropped out, Obama won 11 primaries in a row

    Save Cindy McCain -- Vote Obama!

    by LoLoLaLa on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 03:25:42 PM PDT

  •  If Clinton hadn't voted (9+ / 0-)

    for the war I think there's a good chance she'd be the nominee today. And that's something she actually had control over.

    Rock out with your Barack out! Wear your Obama gear at least once a week.

    by NMDad on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 03:26:46 PM PDT

  •  So I guess we have Edwards narcissim to thank (0+ / 0-)

    for the fact that Obama is our nominee??  Well, whatever it takes.

  •  I don't think it will end even after election... (2+ / 0-)
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    However much Obama wins by, Wolfson will be out there saying that Hillary would have gotten a bigger majority and therefore be able to manage the government more effectively with a stronger mandate.  IF, gods forbid, Obama does NOT get elected--rephrase: if the Republicans are able to pull off another nation-wide fraud and slip McCain into office--then Wolfson will be sniggering in the background like a little boy hearing a flatulence joke, and chortling about Hillary coming to save the day in 2012.

  •  Comparison (4+ / 0-)

    Edwards: A candidate with an out-of-control dick who lost the primary.

    Wolfson: An out-of-control dick whose candidate lost the primary.

  •  Howie, the two biggest reasons she lost... (6+ / 0-)

    are you and Mark Penn.

    The lesson of that history is that you must not despair, that if you are right, and you persist, things will change. -Howard Zinn

    by blueyedace2 on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 03:29:18 PM PDT

  •  All Hillary has to do is pick up the phone (4+ / 0-)
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    And she would be able to stop the Wolfsons, the Ferraros, but she hasn't done so. Which begs to question are these people speaking on behalf of Hillary? This is the same woman who said no matter what the Democratic Party would be unified yet all the division comes from her campaign and associates. This is yet another big fail on team Clinton and I'm tired of it.

    •  Maybe not (1+ / 0-)
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      This isn't helping her. How much does she want to focus on adulterous behaviour by a politician? It actually makes her appear to be a weaker candidate. I'm sure she's not happy with this.

      Wolfson and Penn lost this for her. I'm taking nothing from Barack, but she entered the race with all the natural advantages. If she had the team that Obama put together, no one could have caught her. Political fact is political fact.

      Wolfson has taken a beating for being an idiot and a douche and he's licking his wounds and trying to blame everyone but himself for his epic fail. Clinton doesn't get good from this and I bet she wishes he would shut up.

      There still are two Americas. I live in the other one. John McSame wants me to stay there.

      by high uintas on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 03:56:33 PM PDT

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      •  I could buy that... (0+ / 0-)

        Except for the fact that Hillary needs to take responsibility for the team she decided to surround herself with. If Obama hadn't run, Hillary would have won. If Hillary had Obama's team and focus she would have won. She chose her staff, her campaign decisions and with that she lost. It does make her look weaker which is why I don't understand all these calls to respect her 18 mil or to see her as strong when it seems she couldn't do much with her own campaign and now that it's over her voice isn't even strong enough to control those who allegedly believed in her. It's quite maddening.

  •  as i have been saying since May (2+ / 0-)
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    planetclaire4, Earl3

    Obama cannot win this election unless he cuts ALL ties with the clinton clan.

    Afterlife? Why would I want that?

    by irrationalbutsane on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 03:36:53 PM PDT

  •  Oh Howard, (5+ / 0-)
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    I forgot you were such an asshole.

  •  God I wish I had this guys (0+ / 0-)

    person email address or better yet his cell phone number.

  •  Ugh. I hate these people (2+ / 0-)
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    voracious, MVgirl they are pathologically obsessing about alternative versions of reality in order to add another layer of victimhood to their failure.

    It's pathetic!

    "An inglorious peace is better than a dishonorable war." -Mark Twain

    by humanistique on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 04:26:40 PM PDT

    •  what do you mean (0+ / 0-) they are pathologically obsessing about alternative versions of reality in order to add another layer of victimhood to their failure


      They did exactly this throughout the primary. Do you not remember their "Clinton Math" that they used with straight faces to claim she still had a chance and thus justified her bullshit flag pin, fit to lead, 3 a.m., lies and ads?

      Vote Bush in '08: "You don't switch leaders in the middle of a war!" -George Bush 2004

      by voracious on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 05:59:16 PM PDT

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  •  Let's see...he gets a gig on Faux. Hmmm, they (0+ / 0-)

    are desperate.  Wonder who's paying him now? And what will the Clintons say? Cold day in hell might bring a response. But why would they even get close to stories about mistresses and sexual mores. The bottom line is we lucked out.

  •  And you know... (0+ / 0-)

    ... bringing up adultery and Clinton only makes people think of... Bill.

  •  correct me if i'm wrong but (0+ / 0-)

    didn't Edwards only get 26 Delegates? in the hell would she have won? Explain this to me?

    •  Their theory I guess is that... (0+ / 0-)

      ... all the racists that wanted to vote for a white person who voted for Edwards would have voted for Hillary, because she's white. This of course ignores the non-racist Edwards voters who were voting for change, people who wouldn't vote for a woman, and people who were voting on the theory that the Clintons and their baggage couldn't win the general. I think those different types of votes probably canceled each other out or probably broke Obama's way, if you figure that the latter 3 categories certainly outnumber outright racists, particularly in the Democratic party.

      To sum up: Wolfson is a fucking idiot.

      "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent". - Thomas Jefferson

      by bobscofield on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 05:05:44 PM PDT

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      •  Wasted their vote on the wrong cracker... (0+ / 0-)

        this would make Edwards the Ralph Nader of "White Working white America".

        A motorbike has got two wheels and handlebars to steer it, you sit astride, its fun to ride, and everyone can hear it.

        by qi motuoche on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 05:22:46 PM PDT

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  •  Wolfson and Penn... (0+ / 0-)

    ....need to be bound and gagged and locked in a cellar until mid-November.

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