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At the Saddleback Faith Inquisition, err, Forum, both McCain and Obama were asked, "Who are the three wisest people that you know, and that you would rely on heavily in your administration?"

Obama:

His Wife
His Grandmother
Too many valid perspectives to limit to three

McCain:

General Petraeus
John Lewis
Meg Whitman

Fair enough and true to form, Obama was truthful and tactful; McCain was truthful and shooting from the lip.

The contrast in approach and thought process aside . . . Meg Whitman? The General and John Lewis were typical examples of McCain's pandering/bolstering version of straight-talk. No real surprises there – though Mr. Lewis may disagree. But Whitman? Really? OK, I'll play along.

What, then, are the economic implications of wise EBay CEO Meg Whitman's insistence that U.S. tech firms cannot survive without foreign workers obtaining H-1B visas to come here to work in the technology sector? (see clip below)

What happened to the Knowledge Economy? What happened to college? Skills development? What happened to developing your own website to resell your out-of-style shoes – and economic advisors?

Lord, help us.

Originally posted to Public D on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 02:31 PM PDT.

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  •  The questions were fundamentally different (6+ / 0-)

    Obama was asked a two-parter:

    1. Who are the three wisest people you know in your life, and
    1. Who are you going to rely on heavily in your administration?

    McCain was asked only one question:

    1. Who are the three wisest people that you know that you would rely on heavily in an administration?

    They resulted in two very different answers, but the Freepers will keep saying Obama will ask his grandmother what to do about the conflict in Georgia.  We know that's not what was asked, and Obama's answer that he would have a wide table of opinion was a million times better than McCain's default to Petreaus.  

  •  Give them the comfy chair!!! n/t (3+ / 0-)
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    SeekCa, TDreamer, pateTX

    "He was a drinking man with a guitar problem." James McMurtry

    by lzyltnin on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 02:38:47 PM PDT

  •  Here is the deal (3+ / 0-)
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    gfv6800, TDreamer, Public D

    Obama used nuance and gave thoughtful answers. McCain on the other end of the spectrum, gave short thoughtless answers (some even stolen from others). When the question about evil came up, Obama's answer was full of actual adult statements and details and how its not a yes or no, black or white, good or bad scenario. Meanwhile in McCain land..."I will defeat it." "We need to drill and drill NOW!" He sounded like a moron. Answers were terrible it was if he consulted Bush before going out there.

    Bush - "Stay dumb Cainny, 'Mercans eat dat up, hehe"

  •  Who the Eff Is This Warren Moron Anyway (2+ / 0-)
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    TDreamer, Public D

    And who asked me whether or not I gave a fuck about him and his little mock christian debate.

    This should have been ignored completely.

    •  I don't like it either but (0+ / 0-)

      he seems to be some kind of really popular guy that lots of people send money to and pay attention to.

      My choices are deal with it or emigrate to Europe.

      •  All right for YOU to say! SOME of us have (1+ / 0-)
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        Public D

        already looked into emigrating (2000 and 2004) and there's no place that will take us/me!  (Oh, if only I had been smart enought to start learning French in 2000 I could probably have been acceptable in Canada; but, oh no I thought, this clown can't take us all the way to perdition during what will surely be a single term since the people will be outraged at the Supreme Court putting a demonstrated idiot in charge.  WRONG!)  Sorry....little excitable nowadays....I'll be better in November.  (PLEASE, let it be better in November!)

        •  Finally (1+ / 0-)
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          gfv6800

          somebody who actually responded to the real point of the post. Personally, I believe that America's defining characteristic is and should always be the welcome home to all those seeking freedom to make a new, or old, beginning. I also know that that position offends many nationalists, tax fanatics, puritans, and misguided American union members. I just think it's striking that McCain's 'wisest' economic adviser feels ONLY immigrants have the skills to excel in a complex techno-digi-sphere . . . like eBay. The reality is that they know they can pay them less – which drives down wages for all 'knowledge workers.'

          "And I guess I'll die explainin' how The things that they complain about Are things they could be changin', hopin' someone's gonna care." - K. Kristofferson

          by Public D on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 07:35:38 PM PDT

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      •  So your answer is (0+ / 0-)

        Rick Warren ... love it or leave it?

    •  He wrote some book telling Jebus people (0+ / 0-)

      to stop sitting around on the couch all the time reading books written for Jebus people.

      "They stick it in your face and let you smell what they consider wrong." E: -5.62 S: -5.13

      by demotarian on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 05:18:15 PM PDT

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  •  This is not a tip jar... (1+ / 0-)
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    gfv6800

    If you compare from the transcripts, Warren posed many questions just a little bit differently to the two candidates, including this one:

    [to Obama]
    "Who are the three wisest people you know in your life, and who are you going to rely on heavily in your administration?"  -- A 2-part question, really.

    Obama says "there are so many people that are constantly helping to shape my views and my opinions..."  and describes WHY he includes his wife and his grandmother as two of the wisest people he knows.  In his administration he couldn't restrict himself to just three, and mentions several Democratic AND Republican congressmen, and ends with "what I've found is very helpful to me is to have a table where a lot of different points of view are represented, and where I can sit and poke and prod and ask them questions -- so that any blind spots I have or predispositions that I have -- that my assumptions are challenged, and I think that's extraordinarily important."

    to McCain:

    "Who [are] the three wisest people that you know that you would rely on heavily in an administration?"   Just one question, as opposed to Obama's.

    #1 - General Petraeus, "who took us from defeat to victory in Iraq."  Uses this as an opportunity to mention going to Baghdad with Senator Graham.  "Only someone like General David Petraeus could motivate [soldiers] like that."

    #2 - "John Lewis was at the Edmund Pettis Bridge, had his skull fractured, continued to serve, continues to have the most optimistic outlook about America. He can teach us all a lot about the meaning of courage and commitment to causes greater than our self-interest."

    [I had to look him up.  Democratic Congressman John Lewis is a hero of the civil rights movement. In 1965, he led a march for voting rights across the Edmund Pettis Bridge in Selma, Alabama.  Wish McCain had mentioned any of that -- from context, I thought he was referring to another soldier.]

    #3 - "Meg Whitman, the CEO of eBay. 12 years ago, there were five employees. Today, there are 1.5 million people that make a living off eBay...It’s one of these great American success stories. And in these economic challenges times, we need to call on the wisdom and knowledge, the background of people like Meg Whitman..."

    Now remember, the question was about WISEST people you would rely on heavily in your administration.  Not bravest, not the ones you most admire, not successful CEO's. Is McCain's economic plan to get advice from CEO's and fund innovative companies that MIGHT be wildly successful in 10 years?  For every eBay, there were dozens of failed dot-com companies who rode high for a few years and then crashed.

    Even more telling is that the candidates were informed of the first 2 questions prior to the debate (probably so things would start off smoothly without pausing to ponder for too long).  And this is what McCain came up with for the 3 wisest people WHO HE WOULD RELY ON HEAVILY in his administration?

    Feh.

    •  Wow (0+ / 0-)

      The candidates were really informed of the first two questions ahead of time? Guess that brings down the degree of difficulty some – and really makes ol' John Sidney McCain look bad on this question in particular.

      "And I guess I'll die explainin' how The things that they complain about Are things they could be changin', hopin' someone's gonna care." - K. Kristofferson

      by Public D on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 03:15:01 PM PDT

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  •  Petraeus (0+ / 0-)

    Even if Petraeus is the wisest person who ever lived, it seems wrong for McCain to be exploiting him, since he's still in active service.

    If he said MacArthur or General Custer or Tojo or Genghis Khan it would be a different story.

  •  Saddleback Forum (1+ / 0-)
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    philimus

    Guys, I think we are really going a bit to far. Yes, we want change but I have to admit, Obama was NOT on his game and I'm gettin worried.
    McCain was on point, precise, and wide awake (believe it or not). Fortunetly I was probably 1 of maybe 100 people watching, but that won't be the case during the debates.
    The debates are really worrying me now, he's got to do much better

    •  Jesus Christ! (1+ / 0-)
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      TDreamer

      I watched all of Obama, and felt pretty good about how he did. I watched the first 2 questions of McCain and had to turn it off out of embarrassment for him! One of us must have been possessed, Thor.

      "And I guess I'll die explainin' how The things that they complain about Are things they could be changin', hopin' someone's gonna care." - K. Kristofferson

      by Public D on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 03:19:50 PM PDT

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      •  Forum (1+ / 0-)
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        gfv6800

        Thats the whole point, you didn't see the whole thing. I to was very impressed by Barack, but I think he needs to get to the point on questions, no matter who they are from.
        New here and just thought I'd comment. The debates now worry me

        •  I guess (1+ / 0-)
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          gfv6800

          you're right. Obama's trick will have to be demonstrating his command of, and appreciation for, the complexity of issues (which most supporters believe are real assets) – but to reveal the result of his deliberate judgement more succinctly. Be thoughtful – and convey thoughtfulness – without losing snap. Or something like that.

          "And I guess I'll die explainin' how The things that they complain about Are things they could be changin', hopin' someone's gonna care." - K. Kristofferson

          by Public D on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 03:35:25 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Rick Warren and W. A. Criswell..... (2+ / 0-)
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    sfgb, TDreamer

    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    CNN luv him just like Tony Perkins...CPAC...AIPAC...

    Actually, I'm starting to think of CNN in the same category as all the Basic Cable + stations that have 24/7 megachurch preachers of 'one dimension' on and the local stations that fill many time slots with all the Dominionists/Rapturists.

    "...fighting the wildfires of my life with squirt guns."

    by deMemedeMedia on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 03:18:06 PM PDT

  •  Our chief elements are: (0+ / 0-)

    Fear, Surprise and a fanatical devotion to Rick Warren!

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