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This is John McCain, in his own words, in his book "Worth the Fighting For."  Keith Olbermann showed the audio version with McCain speaking last night.

"I didn't decide to run for president to start a national crusade for the political reforms I believed in or to run a campaign as if it were some grand act of patriotism. In truth, I wanted to be president because it had become my ambition to become president. I was sixty-two years old when I made the decision, and I thought it was my one shot at the prize."

Game, set, and match.  

Play this audio in one 30 second commercial after another while showing McCain's flip flops.  Plaay this audio in one 30 second commercial after another and label this as the same old Washington politics.

This is the gift we've been waiting for.  Now it's up to all of us to promote it.

Originally posted to davefromqueens on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:59 PM PDT.

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  •  This is the decider (73+ / 0-)

    We blow McCain out if we run this in commercials.

    Get this all over the Internet.

    It was on Olbermann's show last night about halfway through.

    Also if you go to wikipedia, it's footnote 2 on the biography of John McCain.

    I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

    by davefromqueens on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:01:35 PM PDT

  •  When did he say this? (0+ / 0-)

    In God we trust. All others must pay cash.

    by yet another liberal on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:02:36 PM PDT

  •  Doubtful (9+ / 0-)
    It's cool for white men to harbor ambitions to lead the free world for no other reason than a mad need for power.  It is not cool for a black man to harbor the same ambition for even the most altruistic reasons.

    "I, Barack Hussein Obama, do solemnly swear, that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States..."

    by dlh77489 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:02:55 PM PDT

  •  If someone runs with it (9+ / 0-)

    it might give Obama a few points in the polls. There will be no landslide win; too many Americans are infected with the stupid disease.

    The weak in courage is strong in cunning-William Blake

    by beltane on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:03:17 PM PDT

  •  Excellent find (3+ / 0-)
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    Molly M, davefromqueens, allep10

    Let's get the focus on McCain. There's just so much to work with and just enough time to get it done.

  •  debbie downer sez: (3+ / 0-)
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    beltane, tbounnak, abarrenfuture

    it won't catch on.

    McCone voters keep their heads stuck in the sand.

    "is there anybody is-that's tired of paying four dollars a d-uh-d-a BUCK-four dollars a gallon for gasoline?"-John McCone

    by demoKatz on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:03:58 PM PDT

    •  F- McCain voters. (3+ / 0-)
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      rainmanjr, demoKatz, allep10

      Right now that's 40-45 percent of the electorate, tops.  It hasn't grown the whole campaign.

      All we have to do is prevent more people from becoming McCain voters.  We don't have to win over Sean Hannity.

      WARNING: There is a high probability that the preceding comment is snark. Use your best judgment (hopefully better than Senator McCain's).

      by Anarchofascist on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:15:27 PM PDT

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    •  You're right (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      demoKatz

      There are far worse quotes which would result in bigger swings in the poll. None of those will catch on either.

    •  There's also his admission, on video, (2+ / 0-)
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      demoKatz, abrauer

      that when he was advocating for "states' rights" in the NC Confederate flag brouhaha, he knew what they were doing was wrong, but he went states' rights because he was ambitious and knew that would help him in the election.

      I love the idea of showing his flip-flops with the ambition quote as background in an ad. Do a first ad that shows both admssions of ambition, and then from there on out, use them as background for a series of ads highlighting various issues.

      To John McCain, War is not a metaphor for Life; Life is a metaphor for War.

      by NWTerriD on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:26:44 PM PDT

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  •  Obama has been really weak lately. (0+ / 0-)

    He's letting McCain define him rather than the other way around.

    Common sense says that this quote would be perfect for an ad, but right now, I don't see the Obama camp being smart enough to use it.

    Bleh.

    John McCain does not speak for the John McCain campaign.

    by Namtrix on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:04:27 PM PDT

  •  Add it to the list of McCain's lies and (2+ / 0-)
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    SherriG, rainmanjr

    flops.  Maybe he'll blame it on Salter. . . since McCain isn't responsible for anything he says or does.

  •  Kinda thin for a diary. (0+ / 0-)

    More like an open thread comment.

    As to the substance, I don't see why naked ambition is gonna hurt him.  It never hurt Nixxon. I don't see the same smoking gun you do.

    •  you sound like a troll again (0+ / 0-)

      This is perhaps the best find of the campaign season and you are more interested in whether or not this should be in open thread or as a diary?

      Go to redstate already.

      I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

      by davefromqueens on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:05:43 PM PDT

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      •  Gee dave, I see you still can't take any (0+ / 0-)

        criticism like a grownup.  I was underwhelmed by your "find of the campaign season" therefore I'm a troll who belongs at redstate.  You really are a piece of work.

        •  Stop being belligerent (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          rainmanjr, davefromqueens

          or go elsewhere.

        •  you sound like a fool (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          rainmanjr

          First, it is NOT my find.  I did NOTHING to find it and I gave credit.

          It is NOT about me.  Again, I did NOTHING here other than use my keyboard for a few minutes.

          And yes it is without a doubt in my view the best and most useful quote of the campaign season to help Obama.

          Now let's see, helping Obama or not helping Obama?

          Yet you are more interested in open thread v. diary.

          Priorities?

          I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

          by davefromqueens on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:12:39 PM PDT

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          •  Part of this comment should have been your (0+ / 0-)

            first response.  

            it is without a doubt in my view the best and most useful quote of the campaign season to help Obama.

            You're allowed to defend that position.

            But alas it is partially about you, in particular your title:

            McCain Quote Hands Obama Landslide Win

            Do you really believe that this debating point you found is gonna change a lot of votes?  Most of this is inside type stuff that only us junkies care about.  Obama is gonna spend his air time talking about change, not McCain's ambition.  Just a prediction, YMMV.

            Next time howz about getting right to the substantive argument and skip the troll accusations.  BTW, one advantage of open threads is that a lot of people see them.  Makes sense to put some things there and it isn't an insult.

            •  then go put it there (0+ / 0-)

              if you think this is useful, you can post it in open thread as well.

              I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

              by davefromqueens on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:21:42 PM PDT

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              •  Don't waste your electrons on MajorFlaw, dave (2+ / 0-)
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                davefromqueens, Cobbler

                drive-by sniping of other people's work appears to be this person's reason for getting out of bed in the morning, as evidenced here, and the "thin diary" bit is made laughable by the thinness found here (as in zero DK diaries posted, ever).

                Tipped, because I think you're right about the importance of the quote, and recc'd, because it doesn't require 3 or more paragraphs to explain why.

                "I seek the truth, which never yet hurt anybody. It is only persistence in self-delusion and ignorance which does harm." --Marcus Aurelius

                by electric meatball on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:41:32 PM PDT

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                •  He's a turnoff troll (1+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  electric meatball

                  His job is to try and piss off Democrats and turn them away from the site.

                  I've been on to him for months.  I have his number, dozens of others do as well.

                  I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                  by davefromqueens on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:43:58 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  Word. n/t (1+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    davefromqueens

                    "I seek the truth, which never yet hurt anybody. It is only persistence in self-delusion and ignorance which does harm." --Marcus Aurelius

                    by electric meatball on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:45:09 PM PDT

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                    •  The big difference is (1+ / 0-)
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                      electric meatball

                      Most of us are here to try and make a difference.

                      Who found this quote? Not me.

                      And as you point out, I'd be quite capable of writing tons of fluff around the quote but that's not the purpose b/c this is not about me.

                      The point is to get this meme out here and sink McCain with it not to debate whether it should go in open thread or in a diary.

                      I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                      by davefromqueens on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:48:44 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                  •  Ya know, it's funny... (1+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    Karl Rover

                    You would TR me for that personal attack without thinking twice.  You've certainly never let the site rules stop you from dropping a d0nut.  Just wanted to drive home the point that one of us is playing by the rules and one of us isn't.  Over the long haul that's gonna be worth something.

                  •  Care to name those dozens? (1+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    MajorFlaw

                    you seem to have electric meatball on your side right now. I don't relish getting in the middle of a pissing match, for obvious reason, but as this is a user-mediated site, there's an obligation to speak up.

                    He's a turnoff troll..
                    His job is to try and piss off Democrats and turn them away from the site.

                    I call bullshit on that. MajorFlaw does more than anyone I've seen (except admin.) to help rid dKos of Trolls. Argue all you want with him, but no way is he a troll.

                    Correct me if I'm mistaken- politely.

                    by Karl Rover on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:44:06 PM PDT

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                    •  wrong (0+ / 0-)

                      Do I care to name the dozens and yes I mean dozens?

                      The answer is no.

                      But they include some long term users here and if you span through MFs comments over the past few months, many of the names reveal themselves.

                      Yes, he's a turnoff troll

                      I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                      by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 04:30:13 AM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                    •  For the record (0+ / 0-)

                      electric meatball is not on anybody's "side," per se. Electric meatball figured out MajorFlaw's game all by his own self, well before this diary or this particular pissing match ever hit the intertubes.

                      Electric meatball also did not use any sort of "troll" label in describing MajorFlaw as an individual. Electric meatball did acknowledge dave's comment, by replying "Word." This constitutes neither endorsement of, nor disagreement with, the label dave used in that comment. Just acknowledgment.

                      "I seek the truth, which never yet hurt anybody. It is only persistence in self-delusion and ignorance which does harm." --Marcus Aurelius

                      by electric meatball on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 09:50:49 AM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

        •  oh and you lied again here in your quotes (0+ / 0-)

          I said, "perhaps the best find of the campaign season"

          And it wasn't my find.

          This is typical of you Major Flaw.

          You take part of a sentence and claim it to be the whole quote.

          Is this the 500th or 600th time you've done this?  I've lost track.

          I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

          by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 07:17:37 AM PDT

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          •  You are just looking for excuses to call me (0+ / 0-)

            a liar.  My words:

            your "find of the campaign season"

            did not suggest that it was your find nor that you were claiming that it was your find. You described it as the find of the season and that characterization is what makes it yours.  But you knew that.

    •  Because (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Molly M, gabbardd, davefromqueens, Cobbler

      this is what he criticized Obama for. He said O. was running for Prez only because of his ambition.

      •  well excuse us (0+ / 0-)

        We're trying to get Democrats elected and he is more concerned about whether or not this should be a diary or an open thread.

        The nerve of us I say.

        :)

        I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

        by davefromqueens on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:18:53 PM PDT

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        •  Uh dave.... (0+ / 0-)

          I stayed out of your diary yesterday, ya know the one where you announced your intention to stalk Hannity at the convention. Quick question:  Did you clear that with anyone?  Do the Obama people know and approve of what you're doing.  As someone who recognizes how great the stakes are this year I'm sure you wouldn't do anything like that without coordinating directly with the campaign.  I mean they do want your help, right?  You aren't just doing it on your own?

          •  you are a jerk and a liar. (0+ / 0-)

            I won't be at the convention

            No one is stalking.

            And if you read the comments, you'd know that the people I"m coordinated with are not with the Obama campaign.

            Take your crap to Redstate already.

            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

            by davefromqueens on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:42:53 PM PDT

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            •  What part is a lie, dave? (0+ / 0-)

              The Stop Hannity Express (I'm the unofficial cofounder)

              we're not going to let him get away with harassing delegates

              I was under the impression that you were one of the:

              Two attendees to the DNC Convention, both with access to the convention floor WILL be watching and monitoring every move Hannity makes

              but I see where it's ambiguous.  You called me a liar once before, dave.  Remember that one?  How'd that work outfor you?

              •  I have your number (0+ / 0-)

                I listed your lies in the previous post

                Like I said you have no credibility at this site.

                You are here to turn people off and turn people away from this site.

                Here's a previous explanation of what you do.

                http://www.dailykos.com/...

                I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 04:33:06 AM PDT

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                •  You're big in the talking department, dave. (0+ / 0-)

                  You haven't listed any lies of mine, dave, not a single one.  You just keep saying that you did in the hopes that folks who aren't paying attention will assume it's true. You've only given me one opportunity to demonstrate that your "liar" accusation is wrong and I did exactly that.  Calling someone a liar and saying that you have demonstrated that someone is a liar is not the same as actually demonstrating that the person is a liar. You have demonstrated nothing other than your own willingness to smear without a shred of substance.  A good place for me to stop as it's where we started last year. Your methods and your targets. You just can't handle any heat, dave.  

                  •  your lie (0+ / 0-)

                    as pointed out above

                    is that I

                    1.  clearly stated
                    1.  I
                    1.  intended
                    1. to stalk Hannity at the convention.
                    1.  I never stated such
                    1.  I won't be there
                    1.  can't intend something I don't intend
                    1.  nobody is stalking, his behavior is being monitored for multiple purposes, including legit news.

                    How many hundreds of people at this site dislike you again?

                    I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                    by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 04:52:34 AM PDT

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                    •  Perfect, let's do it. (0+ / 0-)

                      Uh dave.... (0+ / 0-)
                      I stayed out of your diary yesterday, ya know the one where you announced your intention to stalk Hannity at the convention. Quick question:  Did you clear that with anyone?  Do the Obama people know and approve of what you're doing.  As someone who recognizes how great the stakes are this year I'm sure you wouldn't do anything like that without coordinating directly with the campaign.  I mean they do want your help, right?  You aren't just doing it on your own?

                      That's my comment in its entirety.  Now let's be lawyers, dave:

                      Here's your accusation:

                      your lie (0+ / 0-)
                      as pointed out above
                      is that I
                      clearly stated

                      Here's what I wrote:

                      you announced

                      If you want to convict me don't you have to use um, my words?  Yes, it wasn't clear to me from your diary that you were only coordinating from a distance rather than participating on the spot.  Bad on me, and I mean that.  I should have known there was no way you were getting into the convention.  You would have had to actually have done something for Democrats during your lifetime to get a ticket.  But this is typical for you, you don't want to discuss the propriety of your stalking Hannity at our convention without the approval of the Obama campaign so you attack me.  Folks are on to ya, dave.  Underestimating folks intelligence doesn't work over the long haul.

                      •  ah i'm not in Denver (0+ / 0-)

                        because I have to work and can not take off work right now.

                        Actually I had an offer to go with a press pass from a certain entity but had to decline.  

                        And again you make the smear of "stalking Hannity."

                        If you want to accuse me of stalking, go file police charges.  It's absurd.

                        As for "approval of the Obama campaign" I never represented such.  Plus, if what we have planned works, they benefit.  IF something goes awry, they can disown it.  It's win/win for them so the dumbest thing for me to do would be to try and coordinate with them.

                        People attack you because of you.  You are the most disliked person at this website because you are dishonest, nasty, hypocritical, and constantly accuse others of what you yourself do.

                        Again people have figured it out.  In addition to the above, you are simply a turnoff troll, here to attack people unfairly with the hope that they will dislike DK and Democratic politics.  Then you and your previous clique would label such people as "a troll" and then nuke them from this website before one even knows if they really are a troll.  Of course you get some right but you have turned away hundreds of legitimate Democrats.  The rest of us don't want you turning away any more.

                        You've turned away too many people and now many of us are putting a stop to it.

                        I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                        by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 06:11:47 AM PDT

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                        •  You are starting to sound delusional, dave. (0+ / 0-)

                          Actually I had an offer to go with a press pass from a certain entity but had to decline.  

                          Actually, I believe that.

                          If you want to accuse me of stalking, go file police charges.

                          That's an odd suggestion coming from you.  You have complained about being stalked yourself and used that to justify your accumulation of personal information about RW media types like Hannity and O'Really.  Wasn't it me telling you to refer your accusations to the gendarmerie?  

                          IF something goes awry, they can disown it

                          I'm sure it will be just as simple as that.  If something goes awry there are gonna be a lot of people pissed at you whether or not you are successfully disowned.  This is actually a pretty decent place to make the point that disowning you in advance has been my approach from the getgo.  I've known you would eventually do something irresponsible which would backfire on us.  

                          the dumbest thing for me to do would be to try and coordinate with them.

                          Because, among other things they would tell you not to.  But of course, as is always the case, you dave know better.

                          dishonest, nasty, hypocritical, and constantly accuse others of what you yourself do.

                          Quite a mixed bag there.  You keep calling me dishonest yet you have failed to provide a single instance of my alleged dishonesty.  The one time you gave me something tangible to work with I demonstrated beyond any doubt that you were wrong.  Did that change your tune at all?  Of course not, don't be silly.  You just keep repeating the meme that I'm dishonest, a mole, etc. with the hope that folks will take your word for it rather than doing the research.

                          you are simply a turnoff troll

                          You like to try and inject your own language into things.  I've never seen anyone refer to "Handy" Hannity or a "turnoff troll" other than you.  Whassa matter dave, the words we have aren't good enough.

                          The rest of us

                          Did I miss a sitewide election or something?  Looks to me like you are only able to speak for yourself.

                          now many of us are putting a stop to it.

                          Not sure who "us" is nor what exactly you believe you are putting a stop to.  Looks like more meaningless verbiage from you.

                          •  look at the other threads (0+ / 0-)

                            did not a whole bunch of people come forward and denounce you in strong terms?  All one has to do is look back at your comment history.  

                            As for your "concern" about whether I would make this site look bad, it just hasn't happened.  See although I may do things for attention, and although I wouldn't mind a bigger profile, or even profitting from my work or beliefs, what you fail to recognize is that I value the "cause" more than I do myself and if given the choice between the betterment of my country and my own personal gratification, the former ALWAYS gets chosen.  Whatever questions or stunts I may (or may not) have planned for MCcain between now and November will have the former in mind.

                            Plus you misunderstand the site.  I am a commentator/diarist who posts at DailyKos.  I am NOT Daily Kos nor speak for Daily Kos.  Check the FAQs to confirm.  

                            As for Handy Hannity I was not the first to use it.  Go search reddit.com where it first appears.  One of my "sources" relayed that info to me along with other info about Hannity's background in Alabama.

                            I'll give you a new nugget on Hannity, something I've never posted here.

                            http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/...

                            This too was given to me by someone else along with other Handy Hannity info.  Scroll down to paragraph 11.  Hannity has had homosexual affairs before in many different states.  Ask Hannity about a certain male broker in Manhattan.  Hint, I know something.

                            Now I've covered this ground and told you why I go after Hannity.

                            What media personality has John McCAin spent the most time with this year?

                            The answer is Hannity.  

                            ON whose radio or tv show have more elected republicans appeared on than anyone else's?

                            The answer is Hannity.

                            My belief is that it helps elect Democrats by

                            a)  highlighting Hannity's ridiculous remarks of the past
                            b)  highlighting his behaviors
                            c)  highlighting his crazy associations (Turner, Peterson, Coulter, etc...)

                            and then using all of this to sink the Republican Party.

                            In a more enlightened time people like Hannity would be sitting in an isolated booth in the diner and the only person listening to him would be the waitress who has to as part of her job.  However, he's the spokeshole of the GOP.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 07:13:42 AM PDT

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                          •  Much better. (0+ / 0-)

                            did not a whole bunch of people come forward and denounce you

                            A small but dedicated group have made a point of following me around, trying to provoke me.  You've done it yourself.  But I see a handful and not a bunch.  YMMV.

                            whether I would make this site look bad, it just hasn't happened.

                            First, that's debatable.  How is your lawsuit over being detained for ten minutes at a Hannity event going?  You did follow through and file suit, right?  I mean after all the noise you made about it and after telling me off so loudly for doubting your claim you must have filed suit.  So dave, what stage of the discovery process are you?  

                            Second, you haven't made the site look bad yet.  It's still early.

                            I value the "cause" more than I do myself

                            You keep saying that but your actions speak otherwise.  It's always about you, dave.

                            I'll give you a new nugget on Hannity, something I've never posted here.

                            That's another smear.  I have no idea whether Hannity is gay and I don't care.  Outing people isn't something I do.  Even if your "case" is airtight I don't know how you can use it for any good.

                            Ask Hannity about a certain male broker in Manhattan.  Hint, I know something.

                            I'm sure you do.  Not sure it's something to be proud of, though.

                            What media personality has John McCAin spent the most time with this year?
                            The answer is Hannity.  
                            ON whose radio or tv show have more elected republicans appeared on than anyone else's?
                            The answer is Hannity.

                            I'm gonna have to defer to your expertise there.  No question you are far more familiar with the RW noise machine than I am.  My approach is to ignore and avoid them,

                            using all of this to sink the Republican Party.

                            Even if you managed to sink Hannity there would be another ass (literally) sitting in his seat before the next sunrise.  Hannity is completely fungible.

                            he's the spokeshole of the GOP.

                            He's certainly a mouthpiece for them but it would be easier for McCain to disown Hannity than it would for Obama to disown whatever your colleagues do to Hannity at the convention.  If I thought that destroying Hannity would actually help us I'd be in favor.

                            In a more enlightened time people like Hannity would be sitting in an isolated booth in the diner and the only person listening to him would be the waitress who has to as part of her job.

                            Yup.  Nothing to argue with there.  Hannity is a complete nonentity.  Poor waitress.  

                          •  what my colleagues plan to do (0+ / 0-)

                            is NOT to do anything harmful and prevent others from doing anything harmful while monitoring Hannity for the harmful things he intends to do.  I'll have 1 last diary on this subject that I will post tomorrow morning.

                            Now you admit that in 2 years I haven't done anything to harm this site, why would year 3 or 4 be any different?  Perhaps I know what I am doing.  Perhaps I'm far more deliberative, strategic, discerning, and selfless than you've given me credit for.  

                            As for the lawsuit, I have a winning case but I'll actually share with you the legal analysis that took place. (it is my privilege)

                            1.  I meet all 4 elements of the tort claim.
                            1.  My chances of winning in court are very high, 95% range in the end.
                            1.  Damages.  What are my damages?  In truth, my damages would be about $25,000 for the 15 mins of false imprisonment.  However, the positive publicity I received offsets most if not all of it.  So if I sued the end result would most likely be an award of $10,000.

                            Is it really worth it of me to spend $20,000 worth of legal time and expenses to win $10,000?  Would I advise a client to do that?  Of course not.  See I think long term and actually analyze things. I'm a big boy, I can suck it up.  However, it's a legit question for you to ask since I did say I would sue.  So as to why I'm inclined not to, an explanation from me is proper.  Again, your question here is totally fair game and appropriate.

                            There's your honest legal analysis.  I've already won by exposing Hannity as a chickenshit who is afraid of debating me or answering real questions from a substantive liberal.  My bookstore incident and the Ron Paul Manchester incident serve as the 2 major talking points for anyone to use whenever Hannity claims that he will debate a liberal anywhere, anyplace, anytime.

                            Now you may ask (and this is fair too), why should he debate me.  The answer is simple.  He has attacked this site, attacked me, had his buddy Levin smear me for 42 minutes on his radio show, and makes numerous references to me through his use of the term "Daily Kooks."  My diary tomorrow also accepts his offer to debate a liberal anywhere, anyplace, anytime. (He said this yesterday)

                            Now rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, and other talking con heads have never called me out by name or implication. Thus although I'd gladly debate either one, it would be foolish of me to demand a debate with either of them unless they did. Just as it would be foolish of me to "demand" a debate with John McCain. (In fact this would be insane and it is equally insane for Hannity to demand that Obama debate him.)

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 08:01:50 AM PDT

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                          •  OK (0+ / 0-)

                            NOT to do anything harmful and prevent others from doing anything harmful while monitoring Hannity for the harmful things he intends to do.

                            One of the questions I had while reading that other diary was, why are you making this public?  I can make an argument for keeping an eye on Hannity without straining much. But how does it help us to announce in advance that you are gonna do so.  Do you expect that this foreknowledge will change the way he conducts himself?  That's a serious question as I really don't know.  It felt like reading a private memo.  I get a few of those, folks coordinating (real world) events and sharing strategy but it's understood that their strategy isn't to be shared.  Assuming I completely buy into the need to watch Hannity--why give him the heads up?

                            Now you admit that in 2 years I haven't done anything to harm this site

                            Now dave, let's not get sloppy with words.  I "admitted" that in your davefromqueens UID you have not done anything which has inured to the detriment of the site.  I also do not believe that anything you do is designed to cause trouble for this site or Democrats and Progressives in general.  What I've said all along is that some people aren't helping even though they are your ideological allies.  You complicated things by writing a couple of really good pieces, indicating that with a little editorial input you could be helpful.  I don't think the focus on Hannity helps us but you've done a better and more substantive job of explaining your approach today.

                            There's your honest legal analysis.

                            I share your overall conclusion that it would be more trouble than it's worth.  But I'm curious about one part.  I'm not real familiar with the statutory torts, doesn't the independent action of the police cover Hannity's ass here?  Perhaps if you post a link to the statute I might find something.  

                            I've already won by exposing Hannity as a chickenshit who is afraid of debating me or answering real questions from a substantive liberal.

                            True, but this isn't exactly news.  Hannity had no credibility even before you took him on.

                            Now you may ask (and this is fair too), why should he debate me.

                            Actually, no, I wouldn't ask that.  Undoubtedly that would be his response but you appear better equipped to debate the issues than he he ever was.  I'm sure he wouldn't debate me either and I can't really blame the little coward as the result would be brutal.  I just don't spend a lot of time thinking about him.

                            it is equally insane for Hannity to demand that Obama debate him

                            Um yeah, that one would be real close.  From what I've seen Faux likes the Sturm und Drang.  One of these days you might get your chance to debate one of them as they are gonna have an awful lot of airtime to fill and no Dems willing to fill it come January.  I don't see a debate between you and Hannity or O'Really as being terribly competitive actually.  You've managed to survive against someone infinitely more difficult.  Getting one of them to show up for the slaughter debate is three quarters of the battle.  Still not sure why you consider this so important but if you ever get there I'll be leading the cheers.  

                          •  let me go through (0+ / 0-)

                            The strategy is simple.  He has been promoting to his listeners that people at Denver are going to hurt him and he even implied the delegates would kill him.  So when he has no footage, he'll look like a fool.  Plus, if he tries to make up a false story, there will be footage to show he's lying.  There are two other reasons, I'll reveal those in due course.

                            As for NY tort law on false imprisonment, I'll provide you with a legal courtesy.  This is NY Court of Appeals and I shephardized. 100% good law.

                            Martinez v. City of Schenectady 97 N.Y.2d 78, 761 N.E.2d 560  N.Y.,2001.

                            A plaintiff asserting a common-law claim for false imprisonment must establish that the defendant intended to confine the plaintiff, that the plaintiff was conscious of the confinement and did not consent to the confinement, and that the confinement was not otherwise privileged.

                            I was confined b/c of Boyce's phone call and Hannity's approval.  That caused the confinement.  All 4 elements are met.

                            As for the police, any claim against them would fail because they had a privilege in this circumstance.

                            Trust that I researched this well although it didn't require much b/c it is straight forward.  And my legal analysis I believe to be spot on.  I'd win the case but spend just as much if not more to get to that point.  So what's the point unless there were other claims to go with it.

                            Now had I been actually arrested, the damages would be in the 6 to 7 digit range and that would have been pursued.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 09:09:43 AM PDT

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                          •  Fair enough. (0+ / 0-)

                            He has been promoting to his listeners that people at Denver are going to hurt him and he even implied the delegates would kill him.

                            I didn't know that as I wasn't joking about never listening to him.  Kinda silly on his part.

                            This is NY Court of Appeals and I shephardized. 100% good law.

                            come on, dave, you've only been out for about a year.  You know that causes of action are created by statute not caselaw.  We're not really arguing about most of that, my question is whether the intervention of independent actors--the police--breaks the chain of causation.  I'm sure that the Hannity side would argue that:

                            the confinement was not otherwise privileged.

                            means that if you are confined by a cop it's privileged.  If the cop then did anything wrong the PD would be liable but Hannity gets to walk, as it were.  There's got to be something directly on point.

                            As for the police, any claim against them would fail because they had a privilege in this circumstance.

                            Yes, that's the problem.  Hannity could have asked them to arrest, torture and send you down to Club Gitmo but whatever the police do is entirely on them.  If they chose to detain you it's between you and them.  

                            So what's the point unless there were other claims to go with it.

                            Depends on what you were looking for.  From a practical POV it wouldn't make sense nor would you advise a client to do it.  But if you felt that there was an important point to make sometimes it means more than money.  I'm not the best person to make that argument however.

                            Now had I been actually arrested, the damages would be in the 6 to 7 digit range

                            I don't know what the numbers would look like but it would be a different case.  False arrest would be easier to prove here--which is prolly why you weren't arrested.

                          •  statute cited in the case (0+ / 0-)

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 10:40:32 AM PDT

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                          •  Reading over this exchange... (0+ / 0-)

                            ...dave, I have to say, respectfully, that you're flat out wrong in your interpretation of False Imprisonment as it applies to your case.

                            Had Hannity or Boyce themselves (or via the actions of someone under their control...BTW, unless you have evidence Hannity directed him, wouldn't your COA be against Boyce?) detained you against your will, I'd say you might have a case.  But their liability does not extend to the actions of the police who, as you correctly pointed out, typically have immunity in such circumstances.

                            Now, I can't speak to NY law, but this has been established in Illinois and California law time and again.  And it's for a very simple, public policy reason...to do otherwise would discourage civilians from contacting the police.

                            Once the phone call was made, the police  had an obligation to investigate.  Part of that investigation is questioning you.  These are independent actions of the police, and have nothing do to with Hannity or Boyce.  While it's true that your "detention" would not have occurred but for the call made by Boyce, that fact does not mean they are liable for what happens in the ensuing investigation...and it's specious to suggest otherwise, and not supported by any case that I have ever seen.

                            Let me give you an example to illustrate.  Suppose it is 3 AM and you are woken by noise at your neighbors house.  You look outside and see someone trying to crawl through your neighbors window.  Being the concerned citizen, you call the police, who come out to investigate.  The police show up, and detain the suspect, only to discover it's the neighbors brother who locked himself out by mistake. After a few minutes of questioning the police let the guy go and are on their way.  

                            Now, are you liable for "false imprisonment"  because you made a call that caused this individual to be detained?  OF course not...even though BUT FOR your actions, the guy would not have been detained.  

                            Now, you may argue that you would have been acting in good faith in such a situation, and that Boyce/Hannity were not.  But that's irrelevant.  Public policy dictates that we want citizens to contact the police if they are concerned a crime has been or will be committed.  Do some people abuse this? Of course.  Did Boyce/Hannity?  Quite possibly.  But in this case, they would be liable for some kind of obstruction of justice citation from the police (depending on what the local ordinance says) and NOT false imprisonment.  

                            Let me give you another example.  Suppose the police had beaten you during their questioning, ala Rodney King.  Would Boyce Hannity, via your causation argument, be liable for that beating? Of course not.

                            From a public policy standpoint, cases like yours cannot be allowed to stand...otherwise people would be sued all the time for calling the police for some crazy reason.  Again, there MAY be some civil ordinance infraction here...but no tort liability.

                            Of course, if you can produce a statue or even case law that extends this kind of liability for false imprisonment (which you surely much have if you did due diligence in researching the case), I'd love to see it.

                            *Note, for the record of others who might tune in, this legal analysis was free of personal attack, name calling or invective.

                            Obama/Biden! O'Biden 08! (You heard it here first...and last)

                            by BraveheartDC on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 11:23:18 AM PDT

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                          •  As a follow up... (0+ / 0-)

                            I forgot to note, I agree that Boyce/Hannity may be liable for false imprisonment if they 1) Had no good faith belief that you had commited a crime, or were about to AND (it's a very important AND) 2) specifically directed the officers to arrest/detain you.  

                            IF you could establish both of these facts, you may have had a case.

                            As far as I know, the Supreme Court has addressed this issue in Wingate, and it's controlling:

                            Where a person merely directs the attention of a police officer to what he supposes to be a breach of the peace, or gives to such officer facts indicating such, and the officer, without other direction, arrests the offender on his own responsibility, the person who did nothing more than communicate the facts to the officer is not liable for causing the arrest, even though it is made without a warrant.

                            Wingate v. Postal Tel. & Cable Co., 204 S.C. 520, 30 S.E.2d 307

                            Emphasis mine.

                            Again, were you able to prove that they had NO reasonable belief that you had or were about to commit a crime (which you'd have trouble proving) AND they specifically directed the police to detain you, you might have a case.

                            In short...calling the police, not enough.
                            Directing the police to detain/arrest you...maybe.

                            If this were Mythbusters, I'd call your case "Plausible"...but far from proven.

                            Then there is the question of damages, and element in any tort, and I can't see what your damages are (different had you been arrested)

                            Obama/Biden! O'Biden 08! (You heard it here first...and last)

                            by BraveheartDC on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 11:45:21 AM PDT

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                  •  and also note (0+ / 0-)

                    that not a single person recommended your idiotic trollish comment about the open thread although I'm sure you'll email 2 or 3 people to go do so now 8 hours after the fact.

                    Oh I handle criticism quite well.  If you want to read through some of the criticism I received for my Earl Warren diary, you will note that the people criticizing parts of my diary on a touchy subject had an informative and civil conversation.

                    The problem is you, not me.

                    YOu have been exposed as a turnoff troll and dozens of different people (you already know many of them) are sick and tired of how you are hurting this website and we plan to keep speaking out.

                    You're losing this battle by the day.

                    I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                    by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 04:56:32 AM PDT

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                    •  Um dave... (0+ / 0-)

                      not a single person recommended your idiotic trollish comment

                      Are we going for substance or popularity?  You do understand that the site guidelines for diaries is three paragraphs of original work.  You also aren't arguing that your diary meets that criteria, are you?  No, you're making the same argument that everyone with a short diary does-what you have to say here is so important that the normal rules shouldn't apply to you.  Certainly you aren't suggesting that I singled you out for this trivial detail?  Do a site search "Open Thread Calling" and see what you find.  By reminding you of the site rules I am both idiotic and trollish?  That says more about you than me.

                      I'm sure you'll email 2 or 3 people to go do so now

                      I'm the least coordinated person here.  As this thread demonstrates I have no problem taking you on alone.  Even when you have the usual contingent of allies.

                      You're losing this battle by the day.

                      You're a big talker, dave.  But your words are empty.

                      •  lol (0+ / 0-)

                        actually you have a legit point on your first one about the substance.

                        two, you are full of crap about the coordination.  We've seen it time and time again where you appear 16 hours later or someone in the clique of yours does, to uprate banned comments or put a late HR rating.

                        Three, my talk is backed up.

                        four, look at what you have become at this site.  POWERLESS and laughed at.  Just a joke.

                        I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                        by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 06:13:54 AM PDT

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                        •  fdsa (0+ / 0-)

                          you are full of crap about the coordination

                          That's another accusation.  I don't suppose you're gonna back this one up either?  I know, stupid question.

                          We've seen it

                          "We"?  Who has authorized you to speak for them?    

                          you appear 16 hours later or someone in the clique of yours does, to uprate banned comments or put a late HR rating.

                          You see conspiracies everywhere, dave.  

                          my talk is backed up.

                          Yup, with more talk.  You never actually get around to proving your case.  Folks who watch you over time can see that.  

                          POWERLESS

                          Aren't we all sorta powerless here?  I mean, obviously I can't make you clean up your act or go away but you haven't done much anything to me either.  IIRC you've gotten a couple of hidden comments out of this but that's about all.

                          laughed at.  Just a joke.

                          I don't see that, dave.  Your pathetic attempts to discredit me have fallen flat.  Where are all these dozens of supporters you claim to be spokeshole for?

                          •  you are the spokeshole (0+ / 0-)

                            of the turnoff troll crowd

                            Again you are the most disliked person at this website a dishonor you earned with your behavior, actions, and writings.

                            Congratulations!

                            Do you not realize that this whole thread is just gathered as info demonstrating what you really are?

                            Oh I stand corrected.  You don't need me to expose your true colors, you do it all on your own.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 06:35:43 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  One thing we can agree on.... (1+ / 0-)
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                            Do you not realize that this whole thread is just gathered as info demonstrating what you really are?

                            this exchange between us has been typical and it does reveal both our characters and methods.  I'm comfortable with that.

                          •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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                            I am totally comfortable with it.

                            Have a rec.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 07:15:29 AM PDT

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  •  Yes KO had this on earlier. Not suprised one bit. (2+ / 0-)
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    Molly M, peraspera

    If other media people would just do their damn job, the maverick-straight-talk bs would be realized is indeed bs!

  •  McCain (4+ / 0-)
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    is a total hypocrite and the more people know about him, the better off the country will be.

    •  The problem is getting people to see the (0+ / 0-)

      hypocrite.  The media created McMyth and they don't seem to want to tear him down.  There are a handful who have turned - Cafferty, Alter, and Klein and a couple who seem close at times - Mitchell and Fineman, but they are lone voices out there.

  •  I hate diary titles like this (0+ / 0-)

    I know you want people to read it but c'mon

  •  but its ok if blind ambition (1+ / 0-)
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    is all that motivates McCain, after all he missed out on as a POW, we can't expect him to put country first.  Even if it is his campaign motto.

    Amazing how he can stick to a plan though, no policy, no patriotism, just whatever it takes to have his shot at the prize.

  •  IF Obama uses it (2+ / 0-)
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    I still haven't figured out why he hasn't taken McCain's "$5 million a year is middle class" quote and combined it with his "I don't know much about the economy" quote to make a killer ad.

  •  I don't get it... (0+ / 0-)

    it seems pretty clear that this is a set up for subsequent paragraphs to describe how 'wrong' that thinking was...perhaps he says he 'even deserved to lose' or something like that

    "Politics didn't lead me to working people. Working people led me to politics." Barack Obama

    by MLDB on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:05:47 PM PDT

    •  the getting it is (1+ / 0-)
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      he will SAY or DO anything for power.

      He is running for President now for the same reason - ambition.

      He does not care what he says or how he wins.

      He'll change any position

      He'll smear

      It gets to the heart of why he should not be President.

      I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

      by davefromqueens on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:07:06 PM PDT

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      •  Okay..so now (0+ / 0-)

        he will just say how much he has 'grown' and 'learned' from that...or that he 'sees some of his old self in Obama'

        "Politics didn't lead me to working people. Working people led me to politics." Barack Obama

        by MLDB on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:09:18 PM PDT

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        •  won't matter (1+ / 0-)
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          the fact that it is his own words.

          Plus what is he going to do, call it a "youthful indiscretion."

          He was 62 at the time.

          I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

          by davefromqueens on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:10:36 PM PDT

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  •  Naked ambition is okay if you are a Republican (0+ / 0-)

    "I thought it was my one shot at the prize."

    McCain is a revolting opportunist with no moral core. So says chumley. I agree.

    by alasmoses on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:05:53 PM PDT

    •  OH NO! Neocons will flash everyone! (1+ / 0-)
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      OH NO!  Neocons will start flashing everyone!  They'll run around Las Vegas wearing miniskirts without underwear!

      Neocons shouldn't even have bare-midriffed ambition!  Wearing a midriff-baring outfit is a crime against humanity!

      Neocons should not only be fully clothed, they should cover their faces with burkas.

      Don't call him McCain, McBush, or McSame. His name is McNicotine! Mr. "Smoke Smoke Smoke, Smoke Smoke Iran" has a tobacco lobbyist for a senior adviser.

      by jhsu on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:30:50 PM PDT

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  •  Ideals Born Out Of Selfishness (0+ / 0-)

    Will eventually collapse.

  •  But what does this have to do with McCain... (1+ / 0-)
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    being a POW?  Isn't that all that matters?

    /snark...

    Great find...

    How do you Digg this?

    George W. Bush... wiretapping the Amish since 2001...

    by ThatSinger on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:06:54 PM PDT

  •  I concur with the recommendation, especially when (4+ / 0-)
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    McCain's been accusing Obama of being the ambition-driven politician who'd rather lose a war than a campaign.

    However, this has been out there for awhile and Obama's team hasn't touched it. Is it already locked and loaded? We'll see. Things like this might be more potent in Sept or October, but I have a feeling that the post-Convention Obama is going to be a much different and more aggressive campaigner than we've seen since his return from the Middle East, Europe and Hawaii. I think he's just been treading water, waiting for the momentum of the convention to start keeping his promise on fighting back hard against the attacks and such. Once the Convention is over, I think things will start to heat up. Your suggestion here could really throw a BIG log on the fire.

    I love the smell of impeachment in the morning!

    by gabbardd on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:07:11 PM PDT

  •  Best quote of the campaign. (3+ / 0-)
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    I saw this on KO, too, and thought the same thing.  I do think that Obama will run with it--he'd be a fool not to.  Especially after McCain's speeches about Obama being unpatriotic, ambitious, and a traitor (but one McCain solidly respects).  It's time to unleash on the old bastard and make him cry.

    "I am here because of Ashley." - Unknown Obama supporter.

    by rainmanjr on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:08:07 PM PDT

    •  Better -- make him lose his temper. :-) (1+ / 0-)
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      To John McCain, War is not a metaphor for Life; Life is a metaphor for War.

      by NWTerriD on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:35:51 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  That's all I want... (0+ / 0-)

        ...just one time, for a journalist (a real one) to get under his skin with a series of very inconvenient questions. McCain doesn't even have to refuse to dignify them, as long as he pops a fucking cork.

        I really want to see the guy just go right over the edge. He teeters there most of the time...

        T.

  •  I don't agree that it's a game ender. (5+ / 0-)

    But it does make McCain look like even more of a callow, hypocritical creep, and that can't hurt.

    JOHN McCAIN = George W. Bush's 3rd term.

    by chumley on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:09:33 PM PDT

    •  A full court press is needed... (2+ / 0-)
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      This should be a constant drumbeat of the campaign. Couple that quote with McCain's dastardly (in his words) cowardess regarding the Confederate Flag issue and people will see the REAL John McCain.

      When asked during the 2000 Republican presidential primaries about his thoughts on the Confederate flag, McCain gave the answer that many South Carolina conservatives wanted to hear: "Personally, I see the flag as a symbol of heritage." After the primaries, when the need to curry favor with conservatives had passed, McCain admitted during the October 15, 2002, broadcast of CBS' The Early Show that he believed in 2000 that "the Confederate flag should be taken down," but that, in an "act of political cowardice," he "didn't say so" because "everybody said, 'Oh, look out, you can't win in South Carolina if you say that.' "

      And by constant drumbeat I mean ads that run from now until election day. Don't let up. This has legs. When discussing McCain, EVERY Democrat with access to a public forum should be framing McCain in this way. This man ADMITTED political cowardess WELL INTO HIS SIXTIES. This must be emphasized. Full Court Press.

      Come on, Barack. Just like on the school yards.

  •  He wants to be President because (4+ / 0-)
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    he wants to be President.

    Now...isn't that special!?

    It's the fascism, stupid!

    by lastman on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:11:47 PM PDT

  •  Game Ender is When Media Quits Giving Him (4+ / 0-)
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    access in favor of this and similar negativity.

    That's possible for a Democrat. For example, this year's Haircut Candidate who if he'd somehow been nominated, would have become The™ Adulterer.

    It isn't possible for a Republican.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:11:49 PM PDT

    •  that won't happen (1+ / 0-)
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      We have to keep relying on alternative media.

      We can reach just as many people through the Internet but we just have to be more creative about it.

      I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

      by davefromqueens on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:19:39 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Actually it's a rare moment of honesty (8+ / 0-)

    for McLame to admit that all he gives a shit about is himself and his blind ambitions.

    This might be the first quote of his that I believe is true.

    I'm far from convinced it's game set and match though. I hate to say it but too many Americans are morons. Bush's second term is proof.

    This ain't no party. This ain't no disco. This ain't no foolin' around!

    by Snud on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:13:21 PM PDT

    •  Jeez, that's the truth (1+ / 0-)
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      I was absolutely certain, even living in Dallas at the time, that no one would vote to re-elect Bush. The only people I knew who were voting for Bush were my neighbors who were members of his church.  

  •  McCain (0+ / 0-)

    Too Pooped to pop and to be president.

  •  T'd and R'd. McCain = Spoiled Brat, who (1+ / 0-)
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    is fixated on that latest PS2, never mind the price or the consequences. And he has the temerity to accuse his rival of ambition.

    Put this spoiled brat in his dark corner.

    "Republicans pee on your head and tell you it's raining. Democrats, at least, hand you an umbrella!"

    by amk for obama on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:45:07 PM PDT

  •  sorry but..it (0+ / 0-)

    means nothing...

    "Do not go where the path may lead, but go instead where there is no path - and leave a trail " -Epicitetus

    by JadeZ on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:06:30 PM PDT

  •  What else do you expect from McNicotine! (0+ / 0-)

    Don't call him McCain, McBush, or McSame. His name is McNicotine! Mr. "Smoke Smoke Smoke, Smoke Smoke Iran" has a tobacco lobbyist for a senior adviser.

    by jhsu on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:32:08 PM PDT

  •  DFQ Tipped and rec'd (1+ / 0-)
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    davefromqueens

    I'm Exxon John and I approve this message---McCain's Scumbags

    by Obamacrat on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 12:23:55 AM PDT

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