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In his radio show today, Lush Rimbaugh constructed a mocking list of questions that Sarah Palin could answer - said questions coming from  Obama.  Among the gems were questions such as:

  1.  What's it like to live so close to Russia?
  1.  Do you bait your own hooks when you go fishing?
  1.  Did you teach your son to shoot?

It was another effort to eviscerate Obama's masculinity and paint Obama as 'elitist'.  But what a trap Lush set for himself, and his foot is poised above the steel jaws of a intrepid caller.

What needs to be pointed out to Lush is that - in all fairness - Lush's list includes the only questions that Sarah Palin can definitively answer.  Unfortunately for the GOP, none of the questions appears high on the list of questions that America will have for our future leader.

I don't believe the constitution sets out roles for VP that includes baiting hooks - although McCain may very well need that assistance before too long (and that concern will now be on voters list of questions).

IMHO, I feel that the selection of a mother with young children is not appropriate.  There are far too many presidential tasks that require a more aggressive posture than that which can be provided while estrogen is coursing through a woman's veins.  It's simple biology, a mother has too much in the way of hormones pushing her towards a nurturing role - and that could come at a time that said president must deal with a situation far worse than that of Putin and Georgia.

Does that make me sound horribly old-fashioned?  

By my thinking, it's realistic:  a mom's job is very difficult and demanding and my wife finds it difficult enough to transition from being momma to being artist even when I'm helping with our 10 month old son.  The presidential job is even more demanding and unrealistic of what it asks of a human.

However capable the woman is, the transition from child care to president is asking way too much.

More so, it's even the international perception of Palin that counts as much as the reality.  Foreign countries and leaders (Putin and Middle East types come to mind) would feel that they could take advantage of a momma president.  That could lead to avoidable conflict.

Update:  To those who call this sexism....

Are you saying that there is no link between biology and psychology?

If you say there is no link, that would make you rather old-fashioned and it would be quite the attack on science.

If you acknowledge that there is a link, then please explain why motherhood hormones would not affect aggressive behavior.  Nature has constructed biology and the estrogen hormone spike during motherhood to influence psychology in such a fashion that a woman can handle the demands of motherhood in a non-aggressive fashion (e.g. to prevent shaken baby syndrome and ensure the survival of progeny).  

Dispute this argument in a non-ignorant and knee-jerk fashion.

Originally posted to BOknows on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:23 AM PDT.

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  •  Yeah, Rush (7+ / 0-)

    You're a real man of the people with your South Florida home and your golf clubs and cigars.

    "It's time for them to own their failure." (Barack Obama, Aug. 28, 2008)

    by Shelbyville Manhattan on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:24:56 AM PDT

  •  Does she love her kids? (2+ / 0-)
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    allie123, RethinkEverything

    then why isn't she breast feeding her baby?

    Republicans are not a national party anymore. Read My Lips: One Spouse, One House.

    by jalapeno on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:25:01 AM PDT

    •  Her baby has Down's Syndrome (1+ / 0-)
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      Katie71

      As a mother, she's filled with love and concern for her newborn.
      As a Republican, she's ready to dismantle the ADA.

      She's clearly torn.

      Seriously, why a mother of a newborn infant with special needs would want to be vice president (or president!) is totally beyond me. As if her life weren't challenging enough!

      But don't forget that most men without property would rather protect the possibility of becoming rich, than face the reality of being poor. (1776)

      by banjolele on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:41:25 AM PDT

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    •  one of the talking heads said (2+ / 0-)
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      TexasDemocrat, pvmuse

      she went back to work the day after having her baby.  What kind of family values are those.  i mean this for both fathers and moms.  take a little time to bond with your kids.  contrast with Joe Bidens.  Democrats own family values!

  •  Tip Jar (5+ / 2-)

    To DailyKos I'm a troll, Naderite, right wing conservative. Fortunately, I like dissent...just shake, stir and serve it cold or warm.

    by BOknows on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:25:37 AM PDT

  •  I heard this as well (Ed Schultz went to a break) (0+ / 0-)

    Rush also stated flat-out that there was NOTHING that Palin would be able to learn from Obama.

    "If the good Lord had intended for us to walk, He wouldn't have invented roller skates." - Willy Wonka

    by RethinkEverything on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:25:47 AM PDT

  •  Living close to Russia? (2+ / 0-)
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    allie123, browneyes

    I guess kind of like when I lived next to Canada, except that you can't go across the border to drink when you turn 19.

    "You know, God bless him, bless his heart, president of the United States, a total failure."

    by RandySF on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:27:23 AM PDT

  •  Kay Baily Hutchinson (4+ / 0-)
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    Nedsdag, BobTrips, kat68, Amber6541

    she worried me. She could draw older women from Obama.

    Palin on the other hand is the kind of woman who "got the promotion" because the boys think she's cute. This won't play terribly well with a lot of older women, especially Hillary type voters.

    The Book of Revelation is not a foreign policy manual.

    by Dont Just Stand There on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:27:40 AM PDT

    •  She's a whistleblower (0+ / 0-)

      Republicans just love mavericky "snitches".

      For what it's worth, it seems like the Republican talking point regarding Palin's experience is that she's "not in big oil's pocket".

      But don't forget that most men without property would rather protect the possibility of becoming rich, than face the reality of being poor. (1776)

      by banjolele on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:35:47 AM PDT

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  •  OK. WTF?? (17+ / 0-)

    IMHO, I feel that the selection of a mother with young children is not appropriate.  There are far too many presidential tasks that require a more aggressive posture than that which can be provided while estrogen is coursing through a woman's veins.

    Uh, seriously??  I'm fighting for working mothers and equal rights.  And you come up with this crap?

    A hard on doesn't count as personal growth...

    by browneyes on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:27:50 AM PDT

    •  don't allow ourselves to be diverted by these (7+ / 0-)

      kinds of chauvinistic pseudo intellectual questions. They are just versions of 'I believe in equality but women really belong in the bedroom and the kitchen taking care of the kids'.

      Call it for the bullshit it is.  Ask Sarah Palin if she believes women fishermen deserve equal pay.

      •  Women and men are not equal (0+ / 0-)

        Women and men are distinctly different.  I think the point of the enlightened feminist movement is that they are different, but the ways they are different does not preclude them from being CEO, etc.  

        For the record, I don't believe women belong in the kitchen or bedroom - and that type of statement itself smacks of the lowest ignorance.

        To be clear, I do make a distinction between civilian and military capabilities of the sexes.  If that makes me chauvinist, so be it.

        Women are much better than men at many things, being a 'general' is not one of them.

        On another point, if women and men are in all things equal:  Do you want women to try race Usain Bolt or Michael Phelps?  Does that mean I value them more than a woman?  No, but it does simply mean that the fastest men runners are faster than the fastest women runners.  It's a simple matter of biology, and biology extends to motherhood.

        Acknowledge reality.

        To DailyKos I'm a troll, Naderite, right wing conservative. Fortunately, I like dissent...just shake, stir and serve it cold or warm.

        by BOknows on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:45:13 AM PDT

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    •  U fighting for a mom to deal with nuclear bombs? (0+ / 0-)

      Maybe I am wrong...but being a CEO is distinctly different from being commander-in-chief.  One involves ordering loss of human life, the other doesn't (unless you bring in food or toys from disreputable foreign manufacturers).

      I think there's a inherent conflict between being a mother and being an aggressive figure.  Maybe a person could do that, but it's asking too much of a person to do that without going insane.

      I don't think a woman's only role is as a reproduction machine.  There is a biology to being a mother, and it does include estrogen (a very non-aggressive hormone by the way).

      Plus, it's even the perception that counts as much as the reality.  Foreign countries would feel that they could take advantage of a momma president.  That could lead to avoidable conflict.

      To DailyKos I'm a troll, Naderite, right wing conservative. Fortunately, I like dissent...just shake, stir and serve it cold or warm.

      by BOknows on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:35:33 AM PDT

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    •  This is Exactly (5+ / 0-)

      the type of thinking we've been fighting against for 35 years.  A similar, although clearly different, line of attack would have been used against Clinton if she was the nominee.  Let's not stoop so low and ignorantly.  Palin's politics suck; that's all we need.  

      •  What's ignorant about estrogen? (0+ / 0-)

        Hillary is post-menopause.  Estrogen has far less impact on her life.

        To DailyKos I'm a troll, Naderite, right wing conservative. Fortunately, I like dissent...just shake, stir and serve it cold or warm.

        by BOknows on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:38:28 AM PDT

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        •  So then you're saying (3+ / 0-)
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          arielle, kaolin, browneyes

          the only woman that should be President is an old one?  This is the exact same argument as saying a woman couldn't be trusted with the nuclear button because they'd do something stupid because of their period.  It is offensive and, yes, ignorant.

          •  It's science... (0+ / 0-)

            I am not saying a woman president could only be an older woman, but a post-menopausal woman usually has less estrogen so I would be more comfortable with that type of leader (as much for the international perception thing as anything else).

            As to the period argument, during a period a woman has more testosterone, which explains the tendency towards more aggressive thinking and behavior.  So no concern there.

            Usually a period is a once a month thing, whereas motherhood is 24/7 for a few years.  That's long term stress.

            To DailyKos I'm a troll, Naderite, right wing conservative. Fortunately, I like dissent...just shake, stir and serve it cold or warm.

            by BOknows on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:51:10 AM PDT

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      •  That's why it's so upsetting to me. (4+ / 0-)
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        arielle, kaolin, BraveheartDC, Aviva032

        Coming from MY side!  I'm only 36.  I'm still fighting some of the battles that others before me have fought.

        And just when I think we're making progress, supposed "progressives" believe this kind of stuff.  /sigh

        A hard on doesn't count as personal growth...

        by browneyes on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:38:33 AM PDT

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    •  totally agree (3+ / 0-)
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      kaolin, browneyes, Aviva032

      Mothers can be vp's.  A talking head said she returned to work the day after giving birth. My issue with that is with moms and dads, take some time to bond with your baby, practice some family values.  Look at Joe Biden. he demonstrated real family values.

  •  That's it - the children... (0+ / 0-)

    McCain saw the delight the Obama children generated and that was the only way of getting "young" children in his campaign.

    I feel that the selection of a mother with young children is not appropriate.

    Someone's sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago. Warren Buffett (1930-, American Investment Entrepreneur)

    by Amber6541 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:28:05 AM PDT

    •  It's actually an insult! (2+ / 0-)
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      Amber6541, Junah

      To put this woman forward as a credible VP is insulting.  It makes the assumption that women will vote for women just because.  It does matter whether or not this woman can lead.  

      They are using this woman which is the most insulting aspect of all.  As a mother with a 3-year old who is healthy, I am confused as to why this woman would accept and separate herself from her child.

      Do children matter to her???

  •  Maybe Sarah and Cindy can compare (1+ / 0-)
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    Nedsdag

    "lip plumpers"

    She's no hippie pie wagon!

    Don't lend your hand to raise no flag atop no ship of fools.

    by mojave mike on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:28:43 AM PDT

  •  If it takes estrogen to exercise (2+ / 0-)
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    browneyes, W Z Foster

    military strength, then please, God, give me a mother as a president.

  •  I doubt Rush will be so bellicose ... (0+ / 0-)

    ... after Biden cleans her clock in the debate.

    "It does not require many words to speak the truth." -- Chief Joseph, native American leader (1840-1904)

    by highfive on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:30:51 AM PDT

  •  This is a troll diary (6+ / 0-)

    It is posted so that links can be made to "Daily Kos" engaging in sexist attacks against Palin.

    Lobbyists are just the piano players in the whorehouse; you could abolish them and the girls upstairs would still be doing business.--al Fubar -6.50 -5.69

    by Dvd Avins on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:40:35 AM PDT

    •  I think so. (3+ / 0-)
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      kaolin, BraveheartDC, Aviva032

      Unfortunately, though, I've seen similar diaries today be respected kossacks.  

      If this is the desired effect, it's working.  Limbaugh just announced that the "liberals" are at it; being hypocrites for attacking Palin this way.  Pisses me off.  We're better than this!

      A hard on doesn't count as personal growth...

      by browneyes on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:43:29 AM PDT

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    •  No it's not...but call it what you like (0+ / 0-)

      In my experience here, if someone disagrees with my diary but can't think of anything intelligent to say...they just say 'troll'.

      If that makes you feel better, great!  Glad to do my part to keep you in your cocoon of opinions.

      To DailyKos I'm a troll, Naderite, right wing conservative. Fortunately, I like dissent...just shake, stir and serve it cold or warm.

      by BOknows on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:52:51 AM PDT

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  •  By the Time He's Finished with Her (0+ / 0-)

    Limbaugh will have America believing Palin's an Inuit.

    [Please.  No "rhymes with 'idiot'" remarks.]

    They burn our children in their wars and grow rich beyond the dreams of avarice.

    by Limelite on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:42:24 AM PDT

  •  Did you really... (4+ / 0-)
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    arielle, kaolin, soms, browneyes

    Just say this on this site:

    IMHO, I feel that the selection of a mother with young children is not appropriate.  There are far too many presidential tasks that require a more aggressive posture than that which can be provided while estrogen is coursing through a woman's veins.  It's simple biology, a mother has too much in the way of hormones pushing her towards a nurturing role - and that could come at a time that said president must deal with a situation far worse than that of Putin and Georgia.

    Does that make me sound horribly old-fashioned?  

    By my thinking, it's realistic:  a mom's job is very difficult and demanding and my wife finds it difficult enough to transition from being momma to being artist even when I'm helping with our 10 month old son.  The presidential job is even more demanding and unrealistic of what it asks of a human.

    However capable the woman is, the transition from child care to president is asking way too much.

    More so, it's even the international perception of Palin that counts as much as the reality.  Foreign countries and leaders (Putin and Middle East types come to mind) would feel that they could take advantage of a momma president.  That could lead to avoidable conflict.

    I don't see "snark" in your tags.

    This is not the only diary/comments going on here like this.

    We need to step away from this sexism RIGHT NOW folks.

    The Lone Wolf, climbing up trees, pulling down hate...and running with 0'Biden in '08! (Maddow/Buchanan '16...so say we all) Protect the Polar Bear.

    by BraveheartDC on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:50:19 AM PDT

    •  Why is it sexism? (0+ / 0-)

      Please refute my arguments.

      To DailyKos I'm a troll, Naderite, right wing conservative. Fortunately, I like dissent...just shake, stir and serve it cold or warm.

      by BOknows on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:54:05 AM PDT

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      •  Oh, you've got to be fucking kidding!?!?!! (4+ / 0-)
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        IMHO, I feel that the selection of a mother with young children is not appropriate.  There are far too many presidential tasks that require a more aggressive posture than that which can be provided while estrogen is coursing through a woman's veins.

        This isn't sexist??  Give me a break!

        A hard on doesn't count as personal growth...

        by browneyes on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:57:40 AM PDT

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        •  I'm presenting it as a biology-psychology link (0+ / 0-)

          Are you saying that there is no link between biology and psychology?

          If you say yes, that would make you rather old-fashioned and it would be quite the attack on science.

          If you acknowledge that there is a link, then please explain why motherhood hormones would not affect aggressive behavior.  Nature has constructed biology to influence psychology in such a fashion that a woman can handle the demands of motherhood.

          To DailyKos I'm a troll, Naderite, right wing conservative. Fortunately, I like dissent...just shake, stir and serve it cold or warm.

          by BOknows on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 12:01:17 PM PDT

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          •  Let me tell you something, pal. (6+ / 0-)

            As a mother, raising a little completely on my own for a time, there is nothing harder.  

            I fight too damned hard to have equality in the workplace to have some bullshit like this to creep up here where I am among like minds.  Usually.

            I give fewer fucks whether Palin is a Republican, Democrat, or Independent.  This is bullshit.  And your line of thinking will set us back 35 years.

            A hard on doesn't count as personal growth...

            by browneyes on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 12:04:39 PM PDT

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            •  Don't bother browneyes... (2+ / 0-)
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              ...and dignify this with a response.

              Not worth your time.

              Leave this "scientist" in the 19th century.

              The Lone Wolf, climbing up trees, pulling down hate...and running with 0'Biden in '08! Protect the Polar Bear...it's just the tip of the iceberg.

              by BraveheartDC on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 12:06:57 PM PDT

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            •  Your workplace has nuclear weapons? (0+ / 0-)

              I don't think so.

              Ask yourself a question...could you push to button to start a war that results in thousands of civilians - many of them just like your child?  To make it a more difficult decision, what if there was a chance that 'your war' could save even more children's lives - but there was no guarantee of that.

              I think if you made a scientific study of women, the very difficult command decisions would be far more difficult for mothers.  The environments of being mom and being general don't mix.

              Note the distinction I make between mothers and women.

              To DailyKos I'm a troll, Naderite, right wing conservative. Fortunately, I like dissent...just shake, stir and serve it cold or warm.

              by BOknows on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 12:10:44 PM PDT

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            •  He calls me a Republican above (1+ / 0-)
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              browneyes

              (as well as uncouth) and questions my moral clarity.

              I know someone from another several boards who used to discuss "moral clarity".

              Of course, this could hardly be Gator from Conservative Underground.  Nawwww.

              Every time Obama speaks, an angel has an orgasm. - The Daily Show Aug. 28, 2008

              by arielle on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:47:18 PM PDT

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          •  Hi, welcome to the 21st Century (5+ / 0-)

            You must be new here.  We have women (and yes, mothers too) who are soldiers, police, and all kinds of other "aggressive" occupations.  They have been serving proudly and competently, without interference from "estrogen," and the sky hasn't fallen.

            Palin is incompetent, but not because she's a woman.  Your argument is a fail.

            •  How many mothers in heavy combat roles? (0+ / 0-)

              In my opinion, it's not progress to make our mothers into warriors - or any other aggressive role for that matter.

              What's the point of doing so?  Do you think there's no effect?

              To DailyKos I'm a troll, Naderite, right wing conservative. Fortunately, I like dissent...just shake, stir and serve it cold or warm.

              by BOknows on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 12:13:26 PM PDT

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          •  Hence the word "hysterical". (1+ / 0-)
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            Because G-d knows, everything that women do or don't do is tied directly to the fact they have a uterus.

            You're an ass.

            Every time Obama speaks, an angel has an orgasm. - The Daily Show Aug. 28, 2008

            by arielle on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 01:30:39 PM PDT

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            •  Only being general (0+ / 0-)

              You say...
              Everything that women do or don't do is tied directly to the fact that they have a uterus.

              Firstly, I am speaking specifically of mothers - not women.  Furthermore, where have I said anything of mothers that carries such a spiteful tone?  Please don't make broad statements that are not supported by what I have actually said.

              To be clear, I think mothers are better leaders than men in all respects, with the exception of being 'general'.  I don't think mothers should be in charge of weapons of mass destruction if we rely on the threat of using such weapons as a part of our defense.  

              In general, I believe women would be stronger CEOs, managers, product designers and virtually any occupation requiring empathy and teamwork.  

              War is not about empathy.  For better or for worse, biology has made men the aggressors.

              To DailyKos I'm a troll, Naderite, right wing conservative. Fortunately, I like dissent...just shake, stir and serve it cold or warm.

              by BOknows on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:20:03 PM PDT

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  •  Gimmicks! The McCain Campaign Is All Gimmicks! (0+ / 0-)

    And this latest one is simply opaque. Not to mention offensive!

  •  Good G-d. (4+ / 0-)

    There are far too many presidential tasks that require a more aggressive posture than that which can be provided while estrogen is coursing through a woman's veins.  It's simple biology, a mother has too much in the way of hormones pushing her towards a nurturing role...

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    Every time Obama speaks, an angel has an orgasm. - The Daily Show Aug. 28, 2008

    by arielle on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 12:02:11 PM PDT

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