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If you think that Joe Biden is going to make mincemeat of Sarah Palin in a debate or that she is going to stumble in interviews with journalists, think again.
My cousin wrote me this morning:

(My husband) spoke to his brother in Virginia last night and he is concerned that Obama isn't forceful enough. C-SPAN carried the Alaska gubernatorial debate (from 2006) yesterday. Biden better watch out. She never tells the truth and she never blinks.

After watching the second video here, I would have to agree. (I couldn't get the first one to work.) She's smooth and composed and well-spoken.
The Obama team should beware. She was up on the issues facing Alaskans during the gubernatorial campaign.
She is out of touch with most Americans in that she is far to the right on religious and social issues. That is her Achilles heel.
And remember, Obama is running against McCain, not her.

Originally posted to plankbob on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 08:30 AM PDT.

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  •  They will stoop to levels we won't. (1+ / 0-)
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    deep

    The solution is to fight them on the truth. And fight with the truth..HARD. LOts of money, lots of repetition and don't rely on free press to do it.

    Sorry, this is the reality. To win we have to fight with the truth like a bat or a hammer.

    The greatest gift you can contribute to the goal of world peace is to heal.

    by wavpeac on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 08:32:20 AM PDT

  •  Don't up-play her either... (3+ / 0-)

    never in the history of modern elections has a VP choice swung an election--evah.

    Geraldine Ferraro was chosen at the height of the women's movement...there was a great furvor for the Equal Right's Amendment to the constitution.

    It didn't help the ticket in the least.

    Sarah Palin is a gimmick candidate and she has been given way too much credence here.

    •  Not sure I agree (2+ / 0-)
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      SarahLee, Katie71

      Yes, VPs rarely swing elections.  But they can and have done so.  As to your statement:

      never in the history of modern elections has a VP choice swung an election--evah.

      Maybe it's a generational thing, but I consider 1960 to be part of the modern era.  And unless we are careful 2008 could be similar.  In 1960, Kennedy was nominated but his nomination did not produce excitement in much of the democratic base in the south.  Indeed many southerners saw him as a person who 'wasn't one of them' on social and religious issues.  Kennedy chose LBJ as his VP.  While many argue that all LBJ did was shore up Texas, but in fact he did much more than that.  He provided reassurances to those southern voters and helped energize the southern democratic base.  In the end, Kennedy won one of the closest elections in history and did so carrying 6.5 of the former confederate states.  (Alabama split its electoral votes (thus the .5)).

      This election in 2008 could be very much like 1960 as McCain too is not trusted by much of the republican base,  Palin is helping him there in much the same way LBJ helped Kennedy.  Thus it is important that we show Plain's ;ack of readiness to be VP to counter this potential help she provides.

      Non, je ne regrette rien

      by alexnovo on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 08:55:20 AM PDT

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  •  She is well spoken and smooth (3+ / 0-)
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    Treg, kkjohnson, Julia C

    and I think she will come across fine in the debates. But Biden's expertise and statesmanship will be demonstrated as well. It will be a wash. But we have to work not to lower the expectations around Palin. I read too many "Biden will DESTROY her in the debates!!" comments around here. No he won't, for the simple reason is that - you all know this - they aren't "real" debates.

  •  I for one do not. (2+ / 0-)
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    FischFry, berryberry

    She is out of touch with most Americans in that she is far to the right on religious and social issues. That is her Achilles heel.

    As a red state resident, I can say with some confidence that she is exactly where most Americans are on these issues.  Those that freqeunt liberal blogs, that is, us, are the ones that are out of the mainstream.  I used to live in liberal bastions on the East Coast, and it is far too easy to get lulled into the sense that all of America is just as progressive and tolerant as we are...

    No politician ever lost an election by underestimating the intelligence of the American public. PT Barnum, paraphrased...

    by jarhead5536 on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 08:41:36 AM PDT

    •  I don't think "most Americans" (0+ / 0-)

      I think "most of the most vocal Americans in red areas" is more accurate.

      I think most Americans are actually appalled with people like Sarah Palin. (We need to point out just who she is and not be cowed like the likes of NBC. But who she is... is creepy. Especially the secessionist shit.)

      And I come from a very very red place, although I don't live in one now.

      What people shouldn't underestimate is the degree of anger and energy among the blue parts of the nation. The media exist to trumpet the triumphs, pathetic though they are, of the right wing. What is being ignored this time around is the level of animosity toward the red areas of the nation.

      We are divided as always, but this time both sides are angry and energized.

      You got no fear of the underdog. That's why you will not survive. - Spoon

      by brainiacamor on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 08:49:29 AM PDT

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      •  Ummm.... (1+ / 0-)
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        SarahLee

        "I think most Americans are actually appalled with people like Sarah Palin. "

        If one of you is overstating their case, my money is on you. I don't imagine that most Americans are appalled by people like her -- and the polls show that at least half of Americans actually have a favorable opinion of her.

        Coming Soon -- to an Internet connection near you: Armisticeproject.org

        by FischFry on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 09:10:09 AM PDT

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        •  When I say people like her (0+ / 0-)

          I mean people like the real Sarah Palin - not the media image of the faux Sarah Palin quickly solidifying in people's minds.

          The real Sarah Palin is not even respected in her own party in Alaska. The real Sarah Palin was probably once a member of a radical separatist group; if it were left wing it would be on a terrorist watch list and infiltrated by the FBI (which it may be anyway). The real Sarah Palin goes to a church that would even scare most people in small town Texas, and that takes some doing.

          And this doesn't even get into her whole family thing - how popular is Lynne Spears with most Americans you know?

          You got no fear of the underdog. That's why you will not survive. - Spoon

          by brainiacamor on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 09:18:49 AM PDT

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          •  You may call it faux Palin (0+ / 0-)

            But you are in your reality, which is different than the one experienced by the "most Americans" you wrote about.

            Coming Soon -- to an Internet connection near you: Armisticeproject.org

            by FischFry on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 09:52:22 AM PDT

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            •  I disagree (0+ / 0-)

              There's more Americans out there than just red America. I live in a very red state and I come from a very red part of it. The entire Northeast is as lost to the GOP as the South is to Democrats. Even Texas Democrats are looking at taking back the state legislature. There's more of us out there than I think you are allowing for.

              I call it Faux Palin because it's a media contrivance that is at odds with the facts of her personal history. Unless of course you are convinced she is maverick who will reform Washington.

              The polls are all over the place today, but we'll see where we are in a week.

              You got no fear of the underdog. That's why you will not survive. - Spoon

              by brainiacamor on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:33:47 AM PDT

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    •  I disagree that (1+ / 0-)
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      SarahLee

      Most Americans think if you're raped you should be forced to carry the fetus to term or that they go to churches where people speak in tongues or that God smiles if a gas pipeline is built across your state and that it will be built if you pray hard enough.

      John McCain: Running for Attila the Hun's 666th term

      by plankbob on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 08:52:24 AM PDT

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      •  Of those of you that mock me now, (0+ / 0-)

        how many of you were struck dumb with horror, apalled that the American people re-elected George Bush in 2004?  How many of you said to yourselves, surely Americans are smart enough and evolved enough to see through the hate and fear being vomited out by the Right?

        It could happen again.

        No politician ever lost an election by underestimating the intelligence of the American public. PT Barnum, paraphrased...

        by jarhead5536 on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 09:58:18 AM PDT

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    •  Umm.... (0+ / 0-)

      So most Americans want birth control to be illegal?  Because Sarah Palin does.

  •  Everyone thought Obama should have been (0+ / 0-)

    tougher on Clinton too.  Remember?  I think he and Biden are choosing their words and actions carefully.  I'm glad they aren't attacking since the media are.  Also, if they bring out the guns now, the ammunition is going to be used up come late October.  That's when they need to come out guns ablazin'!!!

    God, I guess it's obvious I'm from Texas . . .

  •  new phenomenon: candidate and women's magazines (1+ / 0-)
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    SarahLee

    THis NYT piece explains how Palin is

    an archetype of women's magazines

    "Rachel Ray with a 4 x 4" is one description.  Your neighbor down the street is another.

    I would also say, don't underestimate the power of women's magazines to drive a narrative now, whether positive or negative.

    We are not just dealing with our usual "traditional media" here--the usual suspects in covering politics.  

    We are dealing with the narratives in magazines that many women buy for "non-political" reasons--because they like to read about other women's issues, again whether positive or negative.

  •  If it were a substantive debate (4+ / 0-)
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    SarahLee, Treg, deep, alexnovo

    She would get creamed.

    The format will favor the snide, the snippy, the victimized, and the maudlin.

    So Sarah Palin can possibly do very well.

    You got no fear of the underdog. That's why you will not survive. - Spoon

    by brainiacamor on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 08:44:29 AM PDT

  •  Yes, Palin should not be underestimated. (3+ / 0-)
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    SarahLee, alexnovo, fabucat

    While she is a lightweight wingnut political hack, she is a shameless and convincing liar. She has also shown herself to be extremely ambitious and ruthless in her pursuit of power. It seems that she will do or exploit anything for political advantage.

  •  We win if America understands this (1+ / 0-)
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    alexnovo

    An AP analysis here clearly lays out the difference in Obama's and McCain's economic plans.

    John McCain: Running for Attila the Hun's 666th term

    by plankbob on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 08:49:06 AM PDT

  •  Really Plankbob? She NEVER (0+ / 0-)

    ...tells the truth.  Quite a start to your diary.  Announce that she is a congenital liar.  Hard to take you seriously when you come out of the chute with that.

  •  Kossacks have undersestimated her from the start (3+ / 0-)
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    SarahLee, alexnovo, fabucat

    AS soon as I watched her introduction, I sat down to pen this diary, essentially saying McCain had made a fantastic pick that was going to give him a huge boost. When I call her a 'fantastic pick', I don't mean that it affects my vote. I don't agree with anything she says and would not vote for her. I'm just acknowledging that she will provide a greater lift to the McCain campaign than almost any other choice I could imagine.

    Folks here pooh-poohed my points, but I think events have proven me right. If you read my diary, you will see that I don't expect her to fall completely on her face -- I don't expect Biden to land a knockout punch. Nor do I expect it to matter much. Vice-Presidential debates really don't matter. Lloyd Bentsen humiliated Dan Quayle, and it didn't make a winner out of Mike Dukakis. Anyone who is expecting that debate to be a huge help for Obama is really hoping against all history.

    Coming Soon -- to an Internet connection near you: Armisticeproject.org

    by FischFry on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 09:07:03 AM PDT

  •  the lies are her reality (0+ / 0-)

    after reading some of your comments, you are completely underestimating her if you don't believe what plankbob says here. She is a pathological liar. The mainstream press isn't going to say that, but Charlie Gibson knew it and for the most part didn't let her get away with it. when someone who doesn't know you calls you "Charlie" more than a dozen times while she lies to your face the whole time, she is being her real self. Patronizing and lying manipulatively.

    We have 6 weeks left and they are out to destroy obama with Palin and McCain lies. Six weeks!!! Everyone who cares, get busy and fight these lies and please volunteer for obama's campaign.

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