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I have already written about the need for Senator Clinton to forcefully criticize Governor Palin -- to call Palin out for what she is: a radical social conservative that Clinton's' ideological opposite; someone who absolutely cannot be a heartbeat away from the presidency, especially if that president is a 72-year-old who has had four bouts of melanoma.

Senator Clinton was apparently on vacation last week and was not heard from.  Monday marked Clinton's first day campaigning for the Obama-Biden ticket during the postconvention stretch run.  So how did she do?  According to the Boston Globe, "Campaigning for Barack Obama yesterday in the toss-up state of Florida, Clinton barely uttered Palin's name."  Yikes.

This is a major problem; The Globe explains why:

Clinton, analysts say, is the only Democrat with the national stature and the relationship with white working-class and rural women to blunt the excitement Palin is generating, and to make the argument that the GOP vice presidential nominee is an extremist on the issues.

Senator Barbara Boxer firmly criticized Palin immediately after the McCain campaign announced Palin's selection; so have other prominent Democratic women.  The Globe notes:

In the last several days, leading Democratic women including Governor Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas and Senator Barbara Boxer of California have drawn sharp contrasts between Obama's and Palin's positions on abortion, global warming, and other issues, but Clinton has only done so obliquely.

Why is Clinton laying off Palin?  The Globe points to a blog post from Howard Wolfson, her former campaign communications director, entitled "No 'Cat Fights'."  Declares Wolfson:

I have been asked repeatedly over the last several days to respond to the idea that Hillary Clinton will soon be dispatched by the Obama campaign to "take Palin on."

The questions are fair, but what undergirds them is an obsession in our popular culture with the "cat fight," an offensive term that describes the spectacle of two well known women fighting with one another.

Huh?  Like many Democrats, I have been waiting for Clinton to set the record straight since the moment Palin brazenly tried to paint her candidacy as the successor to Senator Clinton's campaign.  However, I am certainly not looking for "catfight," as Wolfson suggests.  

Rather, I want to see Clinton criticize Palin on the issues.  I want to see Senator Clinton firmly state that Governor Palin opposes virtually everything Clinton has fought for during her career -- like offering universal healthcare, fighting global warming and developing alternative energy sources, and protecting women's reproductive rights.

To assume that Senator Clinton criticizing Governor Palin's record on the issues would automatically devolve into a "catfight," as Wolfson suggests, is just plain wrong.  

But Wilson states that Clinton will not attack Palin directly:

Don't hold your breath.  It's not going to happen

It's not in Hillary Clinton's interest, and its certainly not in the interest of Barack Obama and the Democratic party... You may not remember, but Hillary Clinton is at her best staying positive and contrasting with her opponents on issues...

Secondly, and most importantly, Democrats are running against John McCain, not Sarah Palin.  Running against Gov. Palin instead of Senator McCain would be a mistake is... Every day we are focused on Palin is a day we are not amplifying the Obama campaign's message that Senator McCain simply represents four more years of President Bush.

Call me crazy, but why can't Clinton pointedly criticize Palin on the issues for essentially being an ideological clone of George W. Bush?  Doesn't pointing out the fact that McCain's choice for a running mate is an ideological clone of Bush help the Obama campaign tie McCain-Palin to Bush?  

Certainly, I am not suggesting Senator Clinton spend the next eight weeks attacking only Palin, at the expense of criticizing McCain or promoting the Democratic ticket.  However, the selection of Palin -- and the subsequent media lovefest -- may very well have changed the dynamic of the race.  Most Americans are still just learning about who Sarah Palin is.  Unless Democrats get the truth out, many voters will only have the false portrait of Palin painted by the McCain campaign.

On national television, Palin made a blatant play for the Caucasian female demographic that overwhelmingly supported Clinton in the primaries.  Declared Palin:  

It was rightly noted in Denver this week that Hillary left 18 million cracks in the highest, hardest glass ceiling in America.  But thankfully, as it turns out, the women of America aren’t finished yet, and the voters will shatter that glass ceiling once and for all.

Senator Clinton must respond directly to make it clear to voters that Palin is not grabbing the baton from Clinton, she is grabbing the baton from Bush.  As a Democrat who voted for Senator Clinton in the primary election, I expect Clinton to do everything she can to help the Democratic ticket win in November.  Ignoring Palin is not going to cut it.  

We are waiting, Senator Clinton.

Originally posted to The Progressive Pen on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 03:35 AM PDT.

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  •  Palin's selection was so absurdly transparent.... (13+ / 0-)

    ...that Senator Clinton doesn't need to mention her name.  Most voters have some brains, the MSM aside.  

    In fact, it might even backfire to use Clinton in this way, because it will be seen as just as politically calculated....and it would be.  Besides, she isn't winning over voters who supported Senator Clinton.  She's rallying the base, which was one of two reasons she was chosen.

    "It may be true that the law cannot make a man love me, but it can keep him from lynching me, and I think that's pretty important." Martin Luther King, Jr

    by Alec82 on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 03:43:38 AM PDT

    •  Thank you for the good analysis... (11+ / 0-) you've nailed it. Sending Clinton after Palin would be so transparent, and I'm thinking she's quite above being played that way.

      No Way, No How, No McCain-Palin.

      by Larry Bailey on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 03:51:14 AM PDT

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    •  Wonder why the diarist, Progressive Pen... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...never comments in his/her own diaries. Do you think it's because he/she is a relatively new user of Daily Kos (163K UID) and doesn't understand the culture of diarying here?

      No Way, No How, No McCain-Palin.

      by Larry Bailey on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:17:22 AM PDT

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      •  I dunno (1+ / 0-)
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        Larry Bailey

        My userID is almost as low. How long does it take to get it?

        "It may be true that the law cannot make a man love me, but it can keep him from lynching me, and I think that's pretty important." Martin Luther King, Jr

        by Alec82 on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:25:48 AM PDT

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        •  I mean, would you do a diary and then... (2+ / 0-)
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          ...just walk away from it?  No, you wouldn't.  You'd want to stay and participate and "tend your diary", as we're all told here from Day 1.  On the other hand, if you're cross-posting not for participation in a community, but to drive traffic to another blog or to create disagreement, then maybe one would post it up there and walk away. I'm always wary of a non-participating diarist.

          No Way, No How, No McCain-Palin.

          by Larry Bailey on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:29:02 AM PDT

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      •  Only A Few Months (0+ / 0-)

        I have not been posting here that long, so I'm still getting acquainted with the site.  I will definitely try to respond to some of the comments here.

        •  Understood. Then, maybe some advice... (0+ / 0-)

          There's an old rule-of-thumb here that a diarist who has written a diary to engage the community closely tends their diary, while those merely cross-posting or issuing opinions from on high do not.  

          No Way, No How, No McCain-Palin.

          by Larry Bailey on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 12:20:30 PM PDT

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    •  If it's so transparent to these low information (0+ / 0-)

      voters who happen to decide the election, then why has McCain surged ahead in the polls.  I mean I agree that it's transparent to you and I, but to these folks who don't pay attention and cast their votes on sound bites, they love her for some reason.  Hillary needs to "throw the kitchen sink" at McCain & Palin.

    •  Except McCain has gained 20% with white women (1+ / 0-)
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      in Gallup poll just released...from being double digits down to being ahead of Obama with them. That isn't all his base. If he has that many new women supporting him some were surely her supporters.

      I say WTF??? Why would they go Palin with her pretty extreme views? Why go republican because there is a woman when unless they are rich they and their children will lose out on so much with their policies?

      I'd heard Clinton would not attack her, just McCain. I hoped she would still compare and contrast Palin's positions with her/our positions on key issues. (I guess that is considered attack though)

      Those who said she would not attack Palin said it was for the same reason Obama needed to hit McCain and not Palin, you don't lower yourself.
      I think she could have done the comparison in a dignified way and she's the only one who could. These are unusual circumstances...

      But she did not.

      •  because people like this blog.... (2+ / 0-)
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        raboof, SnowCountry

        have orchestrated personal attacks, so women are defending Palin.  Over labor day weekend, this blog was embarrassing in their accusations, which turned out to be false.  People here wasted ammunition which would have been better spend on issues like- why are you getting per diem when you work from home?  Why are your children getting per diem when they travel with you?  How did your children contrubute to the business of the state?

        You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

        by murrayewv on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 05:28:47 AM PDT

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  •  That's okay (3+ / 0-)
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    because when we win in the Fall, she can't take the credit because everyone will know she didn't help. Reminds me of that story my dad used to tell us about the little piggy , I think, that was going to bake a cake , I think , and asked who would help through out the process.

    And each other little animal he asked to help said "not I......" Well, the little piggy , I think , make the cake and was getting ready to eat it and all the other little animals who didn't help him gathered around and was like "That sure looks good. Can we have some?" And the little piggy, I think , was like

    "No, you didn't help me bake it so you're not gonna help me eat it". And she gave it to her little ones.



    And that includes Hillary Clinton.

    "Let us find that common stake we all have in one another, and let our politics reflect that spirit as well. " Barack Obama:A More Perfect Union

    by WeBetterWinThisTime on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 03:43:58 AM PDT

  •  I do too (5+ / 0-)

    Obama needs to WIN HIS OWN DAMN ELECTION. Repeatedly castigating Hillary for not doing enough to help him only makes it look like he's hiding behind her.

    He's perfectly capable of running - and winning - a campaign against a woman.

    "I can't come to bed yet! Someone is WRONG on the Internet!" - XKCD

    by SingularExistence on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 03:45:07 AM PDT

  •  This obsession (6+ / 0-)

    with attacking Sarah Palin is a sideshow. We've seen new ads, Obama and Biden are calling her out. I don't think they need to do much more than that by tieing her to the Republican brand. Hillary Clinton would be much better at rallying wavering Democrats. She knows it. Obama knows it.

    •  I agree (3+ / 0-)
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      It is a distraction. Obama and his advisors know damn well that people vote for President, not Vice-President. He's wisely keeping his focus on McCain, even if we are sort of obsessed with Palin. I think this was one of the reasons why she was picked- to distract us, particularly due to her right-wing views. Fortunately, it hasn't distracted the Obama campaign and his supporters.

      •  McCain's age makes the VP pick.... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...a little more important for him.  He has entrusted the presidency to another Jesus cheerleader.  I never imagined he would pick someone as crazy as Huckabee, but he managed to find a slightly less charismatic female version who, before her selection, was only notable to me because she had successfully primaried a Republican.  

        "It may be true that the law cannot make a man love me, but it can keep him from lynching me, and I think that's pretty important." Martin Luther King, Jr

        by Alec82 on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:13:02 AM PDT

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  •  CNN: Clinton Hits Trail For Obama (7+ / 0-)

    here (saw this yesterday & was impressed)

    SEN. HILLARY CLINTON, (D) NEW YORK: No way, no how, no McCain, no Palin... What do Senator McCain and Governor Palin offer for you and your families? More of the same. Barack Obama is my candidate and I hope he is your candidate, as well.... Choosing a Republican to clean up this mess is like asking the iceberg to save the Titanic. It is not going to work.

  •  She needs to focus on McCain (3+ / 0-)

    He's running for president, not Palin (thank God!), so the focus needs to be kept on him.  However, I don't think Hillary should be totally silent on Palin.  It'd be nice if she asked Palin to stop using her name in her speeches, or something like that.  

  •  This is the right move by Clinton (2+ / 0-)
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    Now, if Palin was running for President, I'd damn well hope that Clinton would tear into her. But she's not. She's running for Vice-President and she's not a game changer. People do not vote for Vice-President. She might not even deliver McCain Alaska. By attacking Palin, Clinton would elevate her. Instead, Clinton is rightfully attacking McCain, who is the real target. Palin is a distraction.

    •  Well I Guess I Missed All The News Reports (4+ / 0-)

      of her going after McCain today.

      "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit." - Aristotle

      by webranding on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 03:49:57 AM PDT

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    •  I disagree with one thing you said (0+ / 0-)

      Palin is a game changer and the base....this time, is voting for vice president. Notice how her and McCain are basically attached at the hip now.

      If McCain sent her out on her own it would make him look ridiculous because her crowds would be huge compared to his. So now they're doing this team partner thing and I doubt if we see them campaigning apart from here on out.

      Barack Obama, Shift Happens!

      by New Earth on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 03:57:07 AM PDT

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      •  Which is a disadvantage for him (4+ / 0-)

        I think people are going to eventually notice that he's babysitting his VP. Obama/Biden haven't campaigned together since the weekend after the convention. Obama can confidently send HIS running mate anywhere. I think he doesn't turn her loose more because she doesn't know what the hell she's doing/talking about more than anything.

        If John McCain thinks we're on the right track, that's not a train I want to be on!
        ~ Joe Biden
        Obama/Biden '08!

        by Muzikal203 on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:02:10 AM PDT

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        •  She's the gift that keeps on giving... (4+ / 0-)
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          ...if sarcasm is your game.  

          We just found out that one of the books a Wasilla resident wanted banned in 2005 was John "Steward" Stewart's America.  

          It really is almost too cruel, like taking candy from an obnoxious, acidic right wing, moose-eating baby.

          "It may be true that the law cannot make a man love me, but it can keep him from lynching me, and I think that's pretty important." Martin Luther King, Jr

          by Alec82 on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:04:24 AM PDT

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  •  We all want to take a (1+ / 0-)
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    metaphorical baseball bat to Palin, or at least have someone do it. But it may not be in our best interest to do so and for Hillary to do it will diminish her. She will be perceived as following rather than leading. I don't blame her for handling it this way, it elevates her position by sticking with McCain and the issues.

    That doesn't mean that we don't need to get a whole lot tougher on McPhail'n though. We just need to be smart about it....and soon too.

    I think that we should unload an army of surrogates to challenge and attack the lies about McPhail'ns record. We don't have enough people out there talking about this on Obama's behalf.

    Barack Obama, Shift Happens!

    by New Earth on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 03:48:59 AM PDT

    •  The best way to diminish her (0+ / 0-)

      is to raise expectations. I think her speech was a smashing success because we were expecting a train wreck but it didn't see one.

      •  I don't see it as a smashing success (0+ / 0-)

        How hard is it to read a speech someone wrote for you on a teleprompter. Then all the credit goes to her...just don't get it.

        I do get your point though and I know you're not saying it was a success but the MSM won't shut up about it and they're giving her ALL the credit.

        Barack Obama, Shift Happens!

        by New Earth on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:29:04 AM PDT

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        •  Well why don't you write letters (0+ / 0-)

          saying that her speech was a failure because it was divisive therefore more of the old politics rather than new politics. Or that her speech was riven with contradiction because she is railing against elitism but there was no message of unity just condescension towards those who are different from her.

          •  I think it would be a waste of time (0+ / 0-)

            to write letters to the MSM. If they listened to any of us ...ever. Then we wouldn't have so much to criticize.

            I do find it very puzzling though the way they have characterized that speech....your comment is the obvious and correct analasys.

            Barack Obama, Shift Happens!

            by New Earth on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:59:37 AM PDT

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  •  I think it was (10+ / 0-)

    most effective for Hillary to barely mention Palin.  It shows Palin isn't worth Hillary's valuable time.  As Biden said -- what's to attack, no body knows what her policies are.  McCain Palin are imploding -- the press is all over the lies because they've been snubbed.  

    Obama and Biden were effective in their own town halls this week in attacking Palin's speech.  I am not a believer that it is Hillary's job to go after Palin -- she was the Presidential candidate, not VP candidate.  Those here who think the chicks should take Palin on may want to rethink things.

    My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. Barbara Jordan 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 03:49:42 AM PDT

  •  The Obama Campaign (5+ / 0-)

    I actually think the Obama campaign would prefer she leave Palin alone.  I don't think it's a good idea to have the media focused on a fight between Palin and Clinton - it's Obama and McCain that are the Presidential candidates.

    •  Even though we all know that's what they want (4+ / 0-)

      I think Obama's better off using people like Wasserman-Schultz, Sebelius, and McCaskill to go after Palin if need be.

      If John McCain thinks we're on the right track, that's not a train I want to be on!
      ~ Joe Biden
      Obama/Biden '08!

      by Muzikal203 on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:03:35 AM PDT

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      •  I agree (2+ / 0-)
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        I think it's great that Clinton is campaigning for him and I have tremendous respect for her.  But I think if the Clinton's come in too far, it will bring up old feelings from the primary.  I have to say I have new respect for Wasserman-Schultz.  Couldn't stand her during the primary, but she is a class act.

        •  I agree with your agreement (0+ / 0-)

          Sending Clinton to attack Palin is like sending the incredible Hulk to attack the local school bully.
          It gives too much credibility to the bully. Clinton does well to assimilate Palin to ALL rethuglicans: As she put it: "to think that any of these republicans can effect change is to think that the iceberg can save the Titanic"

      •  I agree (2+ / 0-)
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        Clinton is far too high-profile- it elevates Palin, which we don't want to do.

      •  And people here may forget (1+ / 0-)
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        Clinton is popular with Dems, but there is a core of indies and GOP leaners who may be willing to vote Dem this year, but dislike Clinton in a visceral way and do not like watching her attack.

        The media would turn a Palin-Clinton dispute into something which would absolutely benefit Palin.  I'm not a big fan of Wolfson by any means, but he's right.  A sensationalist circus does not benefit Barack Obama at all.  At all.  And Clinton would risk raising her own negative ratings for no reason.  The GOP mentions Clinton almost daily; they want her center stage to produce a drama, eat her up and spit her out.  There is no reason in the world to play the GOP's games.

        "If you don't have a record to run on...You make a big election about small things." - Barack Obama

        by GN1927 on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:52:53 AM PDT

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  •  IF HRC doesn't (2+ / 0-)
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    do what is needed, we'll just have to keep being mean to hher.

  •  I am seeing Kerry campaign redux. (3+ / 0-)

    As much as I hate to say it, this campaign refuses to turn Biden, Clinton, or anyone else loose and let them define the regressive ticket.
    Kerry stomped an obviously wired dumbya in the debates and proved only that winning debates is NOT ENOUGH.
    Kerry even let the bloviators say the debates were a draw and run with it.
    I heard Obama's staff studied the Gore and Kerry campaigns; to what end?
    To repeat them?

    St. Ronnie was an asshole.

    by manwithnoname on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 03:56:02 AM PDT

    •  Big difference - Obama has the Electoral (0+ / 0-)

      College votes all but sewn up, Kerry didn't.  

      "Man's life's a vapor Full of woe. He cuts a caper, Down he goes. Down de down de down he goes.

      by JFinNe on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:04:23 AM PDT

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    •  I don't think you've been paying attention (10+ / 0-)

      If John McCain thinks we're on the right track, that's not a train I want to be on!
      ~ Joe Biden
      Obama/Biden '08!

      by Muzikal203 on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:04:27 AM PDT

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    •  Um, no (2+ / 0-)
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      They've been pretty fierce in attacking the real target, McCain. Not Palin. Letting Palin off isn't some sort of act of mercy or letting Republicans off the hook. It's about attacking in a smart way, not a wild way. If we attack Palin too much, that's losing focus. We need to focus on McCain and tear him down, which I think Obama, Biden, Clinton, and others have been doing a pretty good job of. They just need to keep it up and keep it narrowed to a few themes.

    •  Did you read Al's diary (0+ / 0-)

      And besides if the media allows itself to be manipulated  by the GOP then it will be very hard to tear down Palin. Moreover, the way the media and left bloggers attacked Palin regarding the baby backfired, etc. Initially Burton  messed up but then Obama handled the whole thing well. He ignored her. But we got tripped up about salacious stories that could not be proven. We may have gotten played by the Rightwing. I noticed that many Kossacks didn't take the bait with another story that came out last weekend which I won't go into detail.

    •  You have got to be kidding (0+ / 0-)

      "You can't just make stuff up" "You can't just recreate yourself; you can't just reinvent yourself; the American people aren't stupid."

      Who said that, Mickey Mouse?  There's so much 2004 PTSD that people are failing to credit Obama.  He controls the message because he doesn't want to create a situation which benefits the GOP, period and end of story.

      Why do you think the GOP is always talking about Clinton?  It's not merely attempting to spread resentment among her voters; IMO they want to peel off Indies by sparking a big sensationalist dispute where mean nasty Hillary says something elitist to poor Sarah Palin who Hillary hates because Sarah is pregnant every year and has small town values blah blah blah.  Think about it.

      "If you don't have a record to run on...You make a big election about small things." - Barack Obama

      by GN1927 on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:58:10 AM PDT

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  •  until Palin entered the scene (0+ / 0-)

    McCain was drawing yawns and small crowds. Be honest, McCain headlines were BOR-ing.

    Now she has energized the right and if they win it will be because of her and/or election fraud.

    I don't know how Clinton can ignore this.

    If we cannot elect this man, we don't deserve him.

    by lisastar on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 03:56:54 AM PDT

  •  Wait a second (3+ / 0-)

    I've read here repeatedly that Clinton's influence was over, that Obama didn't need her, that this is the new millenium. But ever since the convention started it seems she and her husband are the go-to people whenever Obama hits a rough patch.


  •  Clinton's Gender Analysis is Wrong (1+ / 0-)
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    here.  To take another person on on the issues is NOT a cat fight.

    Hillary continues to disappoint me.  I suspect she is thinking of her own career here and the election be damned.

    I feel very discouraged here.

    "As long as space abides, so too shall I abide, relieving the suffering of sentient beings." Santideva

    by Percheronwoman on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:02:46 AM PDT

  •  This is a Daily Kos diary isnt it? (0+ / 0-)

    Some of the comments here...make me not so sure.

    Also, I can kill you with my brain.

    by Puffin on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:04:28 AM PDT

  •  Plus Palin is giving the same speech (0+ / 0-)

    over and over. It's going to make her look like a one trick pony (or moose)

    She keeps spouting the same lines (lies) over and over again. Got to be getting old to the repubs and it makes her look real shallow.

    Barack Obama, Shift Happens!

    by New Earth on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:04:48 AM PDT

  •  My Freaking God, Morning Joe (1+ / 0-)
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    I know I shouldn't do this, but Pat is slamming us or saying if folks in her church "speak in tongues" or if they can "turn gay" people shouldn't be a topic for debate (did this w/ Rachel last night BTW).

    Yet when asked about all the comments he had to say about Obama's church, that is just different.

    I have fallen down a rabbit hole and looking for a "lifeline."

    "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit." - Aristotle

    by webranding on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:05:13 AM PDT

    •  They Played This Wrong (0+ / 0-)

      As soon as the 527s or Fox News even grunted "Rev. Wright", Carville or Begala should have hinted that if the card is going to be played the deck would be exposed.

      Crazy black preachers is entertainment, crazy white preachers scare people.

  •  I love this approach ... (1+ / 0-)
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    she's hardly worth a mention, and certainly Hillary Clinton has better topics to discuss. Palin is just another Republican and nothing special.

    I would have said I agreed with you on the Hillary making bold attacks, but this is so much better.

  •  What is with these white women going to McCain? (2+ / 0-)
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    Last week I posted that I thought the men who were drawn to Palin were thinking with their d**cks instead of their brains but what is with these women?  They are voting against their own self interest on every issue on the table from the environment (and I thought mothers like me would be more concerned about Palin's anti-environmental record) to health care to the economy to choice.  Is it because they would rather have a "hockey mom" in the White House than someone whose positions on every issue are 1000% more pro woman and pro family than Sarah Palin's and John McCain's.    I thought women were supposed to be more risk averse than men. Don't they see that Sarah Palin and John McCain are the really risky choices in this election?

    For what it's worth, I don't know one single white women in my family or among my friends who would even consider voting for McCain/Palin.

    Middle Aged White Jewish Mom for Obama/Biden '08

    by nycmom on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:15:57 AM PDT

    •  Is there any indication.... (0+ / 0-)

      ...Palin is attracting white women at a rate that is higher than Republicans traditionally attract them? I haven't seen it.  She shores up the base pretty well (they are accustomed to being tossed a VP pick to appease them...see the senator from Indiana), but I've seen no indication she is pulling away women who would otherwise vote for the Democratic ticket.

      "It may be true that the law cannot make a man love me, but it can keep him from lynching me, and I think that's pretty important." Martin Luther King, Jr

      by Alec82 on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:21:33 AM PDT

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  •  Why make Palin seem more relevant? (2+ / 0-)
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    McCain is the one to defeat.
    Hillary has it right.

    I'm the plowman in the valley - with my face full of mud

    by labradog on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:21:56 AM PDT

    •  You put your finger on it perfectly... (0+ / 0-)

      ...and I'd add that all this obsession with Palin is NOT doing us any good at all. It is a complete distraction from what should be our goal: making John McCain appear to be as out-of-touch, small-minded, and policy-limited as he truly is.

      No Way, No How, No McCain-Palin.

      by Larry Bailey on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:34:42 AM PDT

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    •  The media is looking (1+ / 0-)
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      for a catfight. They will try to make Hillary look bad, and pump this woman up. I didn't support Hillary in the primaries. But I think she is doing the right thing.

      The only thing it would do is show how hypocritical the right is. Remember how they all wanted Hillary to be the nominee? How many thinks if she went after Palin, they would not be cutting her to pieces.

      Again, I think Hillary is right not to give into a catfight. It will be a side show, one we can ill afford at this time.

  •  if she... (0+ / 0-)

    doesn't come through then all bets are off in the next ny election.
    tung sol

    'cause you're the green manalishi with the two prong crown--Peter Green, Green Manalishi

    by tung sol on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:32:29 AM PDT

    •  Okay, even assuming that she was as freakishly... (0+ / 0-)

      ...evil as some people believe her to be, SHE KNOWS THIS!  Do you think that Senator Clinton got where she is by being extraordinarily naive about politics?

      "It may be true that the law cannot make a man love me, but it can keep him from lynching me, and I think that's pretty important." Martin Luther King, Jr

      by Alec82 on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:38:46 AM PDT

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      •  no... (0+ / 0-)

        but bill and she are still pissed and they need to get the fuck over it. it's not evil it's pettiness. everyone recognizes that this was her time, until obama came along. to quote a notorious black women "who knew that obama would upset the apple cart." she's my senator and while she's better than chuckie who can take a flying leap, she's not making friends this way.
        tung sol

        'cause you're the green manalishi with the two prong crown--Peter Green, Green Manalishi

        by tung sol on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:57:38 AM PDT

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  •  diary is a valid viewpoint, (1+ / 0-)
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    but MANY MANY comments are trollish. Democrats are united now, Obama and Hillary are on the same page. Whenever you see the forming of a "circular firing squad" you can BET that it is REPUBLICAN DIRTY TRICKS (aided and abetted by DUPES).

    Be SMART. Friends don't let friends shoot at other friends.

    Harmony and Community, Locally and Globally, through Harp Music

    by arper on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:38:40 AM PDT

  •  Actually I remember Hillary hitting her stride (0+ / 0-)

    when she "threw the kitchen sink" at Obama.  I wish she would now throw the kitchen sink at McCain/Palin.

    •  Define "kitchen sink".... (1+ / 0-)
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      as I recall, she called him "inexperienced" (and compared to her he is)......and was accused of racism.
      He made fun of her "ambition" as if ambition is evil, especially when it is a woman and she countered with a joke about his "kindergarten" dreams and he and his supporters whined and cried.....

      PLEASE, get over the MSNBC (or Gergen) myth of the kitchen sink.  There is so much the Clinton campaign could have talked about, starting with the Chicago machine, and they didn't.  

      This "mean Hillary" and poor Obama is a pathetic myth.
      And NOW, the same people want to blame Hillary for Obama's campaign weakness.  Do you ever take responsibility for anything?

  •  I have no issue with the diary... (0+ / 0-)

    but I am sure that Hillary is delivering a message that Obama wants her to this should be directed at Barack Obama not Hillary Clinton....

    Obama/Whoever He Chooses '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

    by dvogel001 on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:45:30 AM PDT

  •  Because the Obama campaign told her not to, idiot (1+ / 0-)
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    Let Obama run his own campaign.
  •  2012: Clinton v. Palin (0+ / 0-)

    No other reason needed for HRC taking a muted approach to supporting the Obama campaign.

  •  It's Obama's job to hit Palin, not Clinton's. (0+ / 0-)

    After all, she "lost" the primary battles. If Clinton wants to talk up Obama, that's fine, but it's either Obama's or better yet, Joe Biden who must take on Palin.

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    I better find some other reason to criticize her, since all the doomsday predictions of her perfidy have proven to be wrong.

    SHE'S A WITCH!!  

    BURN HER!!


    Done with politics for the night? Have a nice glass of wine with Two Days per Bottle.

    by dhonig on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 05:13:21 AM PDT

  •  She was very tepid yesterday from what I saw n/t (0+ / 0-)


    John McCain would rather lose his integrity than lose an election.

    by PrometheusSpeaks on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 05:34:11 AM PDT

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