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Today I sent out an email to friends and family detailing the lies and deception of Barrack Obama's record by the McCain campaign.  I received the usual responses.  Including one from my uncle with a link to politifact.com and a note "it's a two way street."

I replied to my uncle "thanks for the link.  It is a two way street, so let's take a look at both sides of that street."

Below the fold are the numbers:

• Barack Obama has 30 statements that are rated by politifact as either "barely true" or false statements.  None of these are rated as "lies"

• John McCain has 47 statements that are either barely true, false and five outright lies "pants on fire."

• John McCain has 45 true or mostly true statements.

• Barrack Obama has 62 true or mostly true statements.

To sum it up, John McCain lies more often than Barrack Obama and Barrack Obama tells the truth more often than John McCain.

In the final analysis, we can't know with complete certainty how someone will govern, we have to take them at their word and I always find it easier to take the word of someone when that word is truthful.   For my vote, too much is at stake to vote for someone who has a record of being dishonest.  Obama's been more truthful.  That's the ultimate mark of a man to me.

Below is an image summarizing the ratings from politifact.com

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Originally posted to gossamer on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 07:16 PM PDT.

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  •  tips for making truth THE campaign issue (7+ / 0-)

    "We are the ones we've been waiting for"

    by gossamer on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 07:16:56 PM PDT

  •  Why does the truth matter again...? (3+ / 0-)
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    gossamer, vertexoflife, AxmxZ

    I am confused...wait I understand because I am a Democrat and not a Republican...

    Obama/Biden'08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

    by dvogel001 on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 07:18:42 PM PDT

  •  can you post a link? (1+ / 0-)
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    gossamer

    I want to figure out what the 18 "false" of Obama were.

    Politics is highschool drama taken to a new level.| 08ama! | -5.50 -6.26

    by vertexoflife on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 07:29:45 PM PDT

  •  That site is a joke (0+ / 0-)

    Looking through the "False" column for Obama, half are only false if you place right wing opinion as fact, and the other half are some basic errors on statistics that have nothing to do with McCain or Obama's plans for America.  McCain's falsehoods are either direct lies about what his plans will provide or baseless smears about Obama's platform.

    Like most of these fact-check sites, they feel the need for some balance and of course have to find little digs against Obama of no importance.

    •  yet Obama *still* ranks as more honest (0+ / 0-)

      should we really level an adhominem attack on a factcheck site that ranks Obama as more honest than McCain, and plainly calls McCain a liar?

      "We are the ones we've been waiting for"

      by gossamer on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 08:26:43 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  yeah but (0+ / 0-)

        Obama is not 50% more honest than McCain, he's about 1000 percent more honest than McCain, and an undecided low information voter could pretty easily take a quick look at that and say "Wow both these guys are total liars, who cares about the election."

        •  question: (0+ / 0-)

          Obama is not 50% more honest than McCain,

          Who said he was?

          and an undecided low information voter could pretty easily take a quick look at that and say "Wow both these guys are total liars, who cares about the election."

          That's certainly your supposition and you're entitled to it.  I'm not pretending to know what a low-information voter would do with that information.  I'm illustrating how even the information our opponents throw at us as evidence of "lies" implicates their own candidate as the dishonest person.  At the same time, that information shows our candidate as never having lied, and being more honest and forthright in their statements.

          When information from your opponent proves your point and you proceed to undercut that information, you will lose campaigns.

          "We are the ones we've been waiting for"

          by gossamer on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 08:43:44 AM PDT

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          •  the 50% is from (0+ / 0-)

            the 47 vs. 30 barely true/false/pants on fire statements cited in the diary.

            I still think you're putting a ton of weight and merit into how this site defines a lie and a falsehood, but I see your point.

  •  When someone quotes talk radio as a source (2+ / 0-)
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    gossamer, scott on the rock

    I know that the conversation is at a dead-end. I had this happen with a family member and we have agreed to disagree, avoiding all talk of politics.

    All evidence that contradicts their world view is suspect and probably faked anyway. Anything that confirms their belief becomes a unshakable fact.

    "When the powerful say that the price was worth the blood and treasure, you can bet your ass it wasn't their blood, nor their treasure."

    by sceptical observer on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 07:40:27 PM PDT

  •  McCain's average = 1.918; Obama's average = 2.469 (1+ / 0-)
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    gossamer

    I've been keeping tabs on this site's numbers. If we taken the scale to be:

    True = 4
    Mostly True = 3
    Half True = 2
    Barely True = 1
    False = 0
    Pants on Fire = -1

    then Obama right now averages just above halfway between "Half true" and "Mostly true" and McCain can't even make it to the "Half true" line.

    FAIL.

    Crescat scientia; vita excolatur

    by AxmxZ on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 07:40:38 PM PDT

  •  Half the truth is often a great lie -Ben Franklin (1+ / 0-)
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    gossamer

    Half the truth is often a great lie. - Ben Franklin

    Folks, these Truthiness meters are...

    WORTHLESS, compared to your minds.

    •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

      but when someone sends you that site as a rationale for voting for McCain and you can quote it right back at them as proof that McCain lies (proving the assertion of my email) and prove that Obama is more honest than McCain, it seems prudent not to undercut the site's credibility.

      "We are the ones we've been waiting for"

      by gossamer on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 08:28:53 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Then you should diary that fact. (0+ / 0-)

        Otherwise, I'll trust my own mind just in case the St Petersburg Times goes Republican (if they haven't already).

        •  Did you read the diary to which your resp? (0+ / 0-)

          Then you should diary that fact.

          Are you being sarcastic?  Because I DID.

          "We are the ones we've been waiting for"

          by gossamer on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 08:37:14 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

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