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It is well known why Jewish Americans take a close look at the presidential candidates before casting their vote. They want to see how the candidates stand on Israel and their support for Israel.

UPDATED: with some changes/clarifications as they were innocent mistakes based on comments. j in "jewish" shoud be uppercase. :)
I was expressly talking about Swing Jewish vote in Florida and else where.

When John McCain chose a foreign policy neophyte Sarah Palin as his running mate, he probably thought that Jewish American vote is already in his pocket. He thought that voters in Florida and across elsewhere would take a look at him and his credentials and vote for him.

Jewish Americans need to think again very carefully about John McCain's foreign policy here. As a result of his foreign policy, Iran is much much stronger than it is in 2001. He single handedly forced Israel to negotiate with Syria to prevent any influence of Iran. Syria is already garnering support across the world. President Al-Bashar has traveled to Europe and Asia in the past year or so to court support for his country.

It is much clearer that it is going to be much worse if John McCain is chosen as president with his aggressive Russian policies. Iran is courting anti air craft missiles from Russia against any bombing from Israel. Iraq, now a major Shiite country will only enhance the security concerns of Israel. Without any peace in Iraq in near future, the conflict could raise its ugly head again and this time it may spill into Israel(Jordan not withstanding).

Jewish Americans understand what is needed at this point in white house is some cool headed thinking and intelligent minds to sort out these complex problems. Not trigger happy presidents and non-blinking vice presidents.

To evidence what a neophyte or dangerous neo-con teachings imparted to her by Bush's Advisors, the only bite many people got out of the Sarah Palin's mouth is that we can't second guess Israel.

What if Israel is wrong some times? Are they not human? You can't blindly decide what Israel does is always right. They always look for American point of view. So do you rubber stamp everything Israel says? What kind of thinking is this?

This article clearly enunciates the Israel's public opinion on Sarah Palin selection.

Asked during the interview if she had the ability and the experience to serve as president of the United States, she replied without hesitation, without reservation, without contemplation - and without knowing, on a profound level, what that would, in fact, entail. "I'm ready."

Here is the answer that is truly frightening. It lets us know that the nation may be in danger of electing another leader bearing the most profound of George Bush's shortcomings: blindness to one's own shortcomings.

Hubris has been the downfall of George Bush. If indeed this intervention will enable lasting peace in middle east through some unforeseen means cannot be envisioned for another two decades. In the near term, it has caused nothing but chaos and brought forth an incredible amount of violence and hatred. Not to mention , that caused an incredible amount of drain on U.S treasury. The economy stands on a precipice and it has ripple effects all over the world. Just look to the reaction of Russian markets.

If economy fails, it will set the world automatically back by 20 years to USSR era (by the best situation). It will look like as if bin Laden has achieved his goal of destroying the economy of America and he will probably have a last laugh.

Last, but not the least is the age and medical condition(dangerous skin cancer) of John McCain. There is a huge risk in assuming that he will lead healthy life for another 4 or 8 years(Excuse me:Cindy).
What about other pressures of the presidency and its grueling schedule? He is already taking his weekends off during his campaign.

Will Jewish voters think Palin can handle these issues on her own? I am not confident that they are that stupid.

As they say
"A known devil is much better than unknown Angel".
Some body in Jewish community may have already thought about this. Compared to McCain/Palin, Obama/Biden looks strong pair.

That's the last word.

Originally posted to schmendrik9 on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 10:12 PM PDT.

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  •  hat tip 4 truth (2+ / 0-)
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    yep

  •  Jewish Americans... (11+ / 0-)

    are not one homogeneous entity.

  •  Jewish Americans Never Vote Republican (5+ / 0-)

    ...or at least a vast majority of them don't.

    But as with any voting block, the question in our closely divided electorate is not who wins the Jewish vote, but by how much and in how great numbers they turn out.

    In fact, the Jewish vote is quite small (there just aren't that many of my co-religionists).

    But I agree that this is one demographic (of many) that Sarah Palin doesn't help McCain with at all.

    This nicely summarizes what's wrong with American political life today. (Source)

    by GreenSooner on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 10:15:18 PM PDT

    •  It's not absolute numbers, it's where they live (2+ / 0-)
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      In Florida, in particular, there are enough Jews to make a difference in a close election.  There might even be enough in Ohio.

      "If another country builds a better car, we buy it. If they make a better wine, we drink it. If they have better healthcare . . . what's our problem? "

      by mbayrob on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 10:20:59 PM PDT

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      •  You're right... (1+ / 0-)
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        there are a lot of Jews in Florida.  Same thing with Hispanics and blacks in Florida.  If they all go out to the polls, we might actually get Florida this year.
        •  Since Buchanan isn't on the ballot, we'll be OK (0+ / 0-)

          ON a similar topic -- I'd guess by your name that perhaps you are Moslem...

          In MI, there are definitely enough Arabs to be a significant voting block.  Do you know much about the Arab and Moslem communities in Michigan?  I'd guess they're breaking more for the Democrats than usual (8 years of Bush'll do that to anybody), but am I right about that?

          "If another country builds a better car, we buy it. If they make a better wine, we drink it. If they have better healthcare . . . what's our problem? "

          by mbayrob on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 10:50:36 PM PDT

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          •  They broke for Kerry in 2004 (1+ / 0-)
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            They were definitely in Bush's pocket in 2000.  The problem with the Muslim population in MI is that they're generally pretty conservative.  That's not just the religious background, either, it is also part of the Dearborn environment.  

            They should vote for Obama this year.  We had more Arabic volunteers in the 2004 campaign than we did in 2000, although I am not from a heavily Arabic area of MI.

            Also, a lot of Arabs who live in the area are Chaldean and Lebanese Christians, not Muslims.  

            "We're half awake in a fake empire."

            by Alec82 on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 11:46:59 PM PDT

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            •  I don't know about the MI Muslims (3+ / 0-)
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              However, I don't know a single Muslim that is going to vote for McCain.  They all LOVE Obama.  And you know what, Obama is the only candidate that wished us a happy Ramadan.  McCain on the other hand probably has no clue what that is.  I think what Muslims love about Obama is that he brings everybody together...regardless of religion, race, ethnicity, sexuality, gender, etc.  He might be a liberal (I am too), but he represents something a lot of Muslims like...peace!  Although, you might not think that if you watch the MSM...we are only portrayed as people that love to fight and kill...that sounds more like the description for Conservative Republicans though.

            •  I was talking to an Afghani after Barack's speech (1+ / 0-)
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              at the convention, at our local viewing party in Our Fair City.  He'd been a GOP voter for a while, and still considered himself a Republican. We made him right welcome.

              My impression is that religious Moslems tend to vote like Orthodox Jews on social issues and similar domestic issues.  And I think first generation immigrants tend to buy into some GOP frames with respect to small business as well.  I'm not as familiar with Arab Christians (I'm guessing Lebanese Christians can be quite conservative, although Palestinian Christians can be quite radically to the left -- in Israel, the core of the Communist Party is Palestinian Christian), but it would not surprise me if they were socially conservative.

              After the last 8 years, though, it's hard to imagine any self-respecting Arab American voting Republican.  Some things are more than anyone can be expected to bear.

              "If another country builds a better car, we buy it. If they make a better wine, we drink it. If they have better healthcare . . . what's our problem? "

              by mbayrob on Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 12:34:54 AM PDT

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          •  Yeah I'm Muslim (1+ / 0-)
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            But I know nothing about the Muslims or Arabs in MI haha...

      •  maybe even in Michigan n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      •  Jews are actually pretty poorly (2+ / 0-)
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        located for electoral impact.  Florida is the only swing state with a decent Jewish population.  Nevada, Pennsylvania, Michigan, perhaps enough to matter.

        Other than that, the list of states with big Jewish populations overlaps pretty strongly with the list of blue states.

        Yes, Santa Claus, there is a Virginia. And it's going Democratic.

        by Anarchofascist on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 11:47:29 PM PDT

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        •  Three of those states.... (0+ / 0-)

          ....are big enough to make a big difference in the outcome of presidential elections, though.  Particularly when you consider the fact that Jewish voters are much more likely to show up at the polls.  

          "We're half awake in a fake empire."

          by Alec82 on Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 12:16:18 AM PDT

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  •  Is is more the company that Palin keeps (2+ / 0-)
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    and they for the most part are not firends of Israel.

    "Proud to proclaim: I am a Bleeding Heart Liberal"

    by sara seattle on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 10:17:51 PM PDT

  •  Republican Jewish Committee goes to extremes (7+ / 0-)

    I think you're right, but my oh my, are the fringies out in Right-Wing Yechupitz putting money into trying anyway.

    That anti-Islam DVD that got mailed out in millions of copies appears to be RJC donors.  The polling in FL was RJC.  Huge amounts of money are getting put into this.

    The irony is that Palin is genuinely creepy for most US Jews.  She's close to the Pat Buchanan wing of the party (except for the foreign policy part of that deal).  The RJC is doing an ad attempting to tie Obama to Buchanan.  I'd like to think that there aren't a lot of Jews that are dumb enough to take that seriously, but obviously, the RJC thinks there are at least some.

    "If another country builds a better car, we buy it. If they make a better wine, we drink it. If they have better healthcare . . . what's our problem? "

    by mbayrob on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 10:19:25 PM PDT

  •  Is there a point here? (6+ / 0-)

    It is well known why jewish americans take a close look at the presidential candidates before casting their vote. They want to see how the candidates stand on Israel and their support for Israel.

    Um...

    When John McCain chose a foreign policy neophyte Sarah Palin as his running mate, he probably thought that Jewish American vote is already in his pocket.

    And why would that be?  Jooz tend to vote 75% for Dems.  Why would McCain assume he would get more Jooish votes than the shrub?

    Jewish Americans understand what is needed at this point in white house is some cool headed thinking and intelligent minds to sort out these complex problems.

    Starting to sound trollish.

    What if Israel is wrong some times? Are they not human? You can't blindly decide what Israel does is always right. They always look for American point of view. So do you rubber stamp everything Israel says? What kind of thinking is this?

    Starting to sound like a parody of a Joo.

    If economy fails, it will set the world automatically back by 20 years to USSR era (by the best situation).

    Please, lord, make it stop.

    Will jewish voters think Palin can handle these issues on her own? I am not confident that they are that stupid.

    Wish I had a similar confidence in the diarist.

    •  You're actually making the same error (0+ / 0-)

      I can give you a pretty detailed description of the internal politics of the Jewish community in the US.  Your 75% figure is a bit high (but probably not by much).  But there are Jewish swing voters, and the diarist is not doing a bad job describing them.

      You're also assuming they're a more homogeneous group that they really are.  You're just looking at a different section of Jews in the US, is all.

      "If another country builds a better car, we buy it. If they make a better wine, we drink it. If they have better healthcare . . . what's our problem? "

      by mbayrob on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 10:46:27 PM PDT

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      •  How far back ya wanna go? (5+ / 0-)

        Jewish Vote In Presidential Elections

        1928
        Hoover (R) 28
        Smith (D) 72

        1932
        Hoover (R) 18
        Roosevelt (D) 82

        1936
        Landon (R) 15
        Roosevelt (D) 85

        1940
        Wilkie (R) 10
        Roosevelt (D) 90

        1944
        Dewey (R) 10
        Roosevelt (D) 90

        1948
        Dewey (R) 10
        Truman (D) 75
        Wallace (Progressive) 15

        1952
        Eisenhower (R) 36
        Stevenson (D) 64

        1956
        Eisenhower (R) 40
        Stevenson (D) 60

        1960
        Nixon (R) 18
        Kennedy (D) 82

        1964
        Goldwater (R) 10
        Johnson (D) 90

        1968
        Nixon (R) 17
        Humphrey (D) 81
        Wallace (I) 2

        1972
        Nixon (R) 35
        McGovern (D) 65

        1976
        Ford (R) 27
        Carter (D) 71
        McCarthy (I) 2

        1980
        Reagan (R) 39
        Carter (D) 45
        Anderson (I) 14

        1984
        Reagan (R) 31
        Mondale (D) 67

        1988
        Bush (R) 35
        Dukakis (D) 64

        1992
        Bush (R) 11
        Clinton (D) 80
        Perot (I) 9

        1996
        Dole (R) 16
        Clinton (D) 78
        Perot (I) 3

        2000
        Bush (R) 19
        Gore (D) 79
        Nader (G) 1

        2004*
        Bush (R) 24
        Kerry (D) 76
        Nader (G)

        Linky

        •  Look at 1988 as a base (1+ / 0-)
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          and assume that New Deal generation Jews were more Democratic than the current average, and that all things being equal, higher income Jews are more Republican than average.

          Take 1992 as the low check point, and ignore Perot for now.  That suggests that 11% of the Jewish community will vote for the GOP even if the candidate is a double bagger, as Bush Sr. was.

          That still suggests that up to 30% of Jewish voters are at least potentially what we'd call "persuadables".  And depending upon the Jewish community, at least that much of the Jewish vote is up for grabs.

          I don't know how much you've seen as far as statistics and various studies, but I've seen quite a lot.  There is in fact a Jewish swing vote, which is why candidates from both parties try to capture it.

          "If another country builds a better car, we buy it. If they make a better wine, we drink it. If they have better healthcare . . . what's our problem? "

          by mbayrob on Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 01:02:32 AM PDT

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        •  Wow! Model citizens! (1+ / 0-)
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          It turns out that Bush IS a uniter... he united the good half of the country virulently against him.

          by fizziks on Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 01:58:43 AM PDT

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        •  In my parents' latest Moment Magazine (1+ / 0-)
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          I see a poll of their readership gave 69.7% for Obama, 27.3% for McCain, 3% undecided.

          -5.38, -6.97
          McCain Straight Talk: "I don't know enough about it to give you an informed answer ..."

          by AaronInSanDiego on Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 11:35:38 AM PDT

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  •  Please capitalize the j's- "Jewish", not "jewish" (2+ / 0-)
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    How can someone claim to speak for the Jewish community and not be Jewish?

  •  I think its a gross oversimplification (2+ / 0-)
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    to simply say that Jewish Americans stop, look at a candidate's position on Israel, and then vote. It's a consideration, sure, but Jewish voters take a lot of things into consideration. The knee-jerk "Israel Right or Wrong" voters are largely a figment of the far Right's imagination.

    The GOP has a history of flubbing completely when it comes to appealing to Jewish American voters because of social and economic stances that don't jibe with the priorities of many Jewish voters.

    The overwhelming majority of Jewish Americans tend to be more liberal in their voting habits than Fox News and the far Right pundits would have Americans believe.

    I would hope that we wouldn't be grossly generalizing about a community that has a lot of concerns besides what Charles Krauthammer and the NRO crowd think Jewish people think are important.

    I will stop calling John McCain and Sarah Palin liars when they just stop lying.

    by LeftHandedMan on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 10:22:20 PM PDT

    •  But then (1+ / 0-)
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      I have known a lot of Jewish people all of my life. What do I know?

      I will stop calling John McCain and Sarah Palin liars when they just stop lying.

      by LeftHandedMan on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 10:23:25 PM PDT

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      •  I'm sorry (2+ / 0-)
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        the more I read this diary the more I am flabberghasted that anyone could be this condescending and insulting and think they were being a fair advocate of any groups best interest.

        It's like the diarist pretty much sees Jewish people as a massive collective of naive children and stereotypes and it rubs me the wrong way.

        Do you actually know any Jewish voters?

        I would be shocked if they liked to be talked to this way.

        I will stop calling John McCain and Sarah Palin liars when they just stop lying.

        by LeftHandedMan on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 10:29:54 PM PDT

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        •  I know lots (0+ / 0-)

          The diarist is not right in general, but is correct for those Jews who are "in play".

          There very definitely are Jews who think that way.  In the end, I believe most of them will go for Obama. But there are folks in the GOP that are trying to find a strategy for reaching them, all the same.

          "If another country builds a better car, we buy it. If they make a better wine, we drink it. If they have better healthcare . . . what's our problem? "

          by mbayrob on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 10:35:08 PM PDT

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        •  Not condescending... (0+ / 0-)

          I am neither condescending nor stereotypical nor talking down nor advocating for any group. You are probably more offended than you ought to be.

          I am merely expressing my opinion on the swing Jewish voters. If you listened to news reports at the beginning of June,it definitely mattered to these voters because Obama is African American and the great publicity about his paster, Louis Farakkhan.

          I was merely opining that John McCain probably lost the vote because of Palin.

          Probably you seem to be more offended by word "Stupid" than any other sentences in my diary.

          •  The Jews who favor McCain (4+ / 0-)
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            tend to be very similar to the non-Jews who favor McCain. They are older, they are very religious, and/or they are very wealthy.

            Their support of McCain has far less to do with their Jewishness than it does with these other factors.

            "Leap, and the net will appear." -- John Burroughs

            by somtam on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 11:12:07 PM PDT

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            •  In addition, considering only 1.3% of (0+ / 0-)

              the voting age population of the US is Jewish, I'm not sure if this swings the election in either direction. The highest percentage Jews gave any republican was George W. Bush at 22%. Behind African Americans, Jews have always been the staunchest supporters of democrats in the nation. It's a red herring. Making this a heated debate is like saying that Vikings QB Jackson that just got benched is the reason why Dallas will win the NFC East this year.

              You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war..... Albert Einstein,

              by tazz on Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 05:54:52 AM PDT

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        •  What did you find condescending and insulting? (0+ / 0-)

          I didn't really see much in the way of that.

          "We're half awake in a fake empire."

          by Alec82 on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 11:38:58 PM PDT

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      •  Also... (1+ / 0-)
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        ....every year, Republicans go on and on about how Jews are going Republican THIS year. And then we vote Democratic with about 75% of our vote.

    •  Jews On The Edge (2+ / 0-)
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      You're right in general.  In particular, I'd guess that 60% of the Jewish vote is completely out of the GOP's grasp.

      That does leave about 40% to play with.  I'd guess that 15% (particularly those living in conservative states) are loyal Republicans.  These are mostly pretty libertarian/business oriented types, and right wing in their Jewish politics (i.e., they identify more with the Likud or the Israeli religious parties than they do with Labor or other parties of the left in Israel).

      That leaves about 25% you can play with.  I'd say that "identifying Jews" (i.e., ones that belong to a synagogue or give to Jewish charities) tend to be somewhat more to the right than Jews who do not "identify" in the same way.  Most of these folks act like other ethnics like non-Jewish Eastern Europeans or Italians.  They tend to be more Democratic than not, pro-choice, and somewhat more pro-labor than other ethnic whites.  They tend to worry about Israel.  They also tend to not be pro-war from a US perspective.

      These 25% is what folks are looking at, especially since they tend to be concentrated in urban areas in a number of swing states.

      "If another country builds a better car, we buy it. If they make a better wine, we drink it. If they have better healthcare . . . what's our problem? "

      by mbayrob on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 10:32:27 PM PDT

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  •  Most Jewish-Americans... (8+ / 0-)

    ....are not neocons. We strongly support Israel, but we're also pro-peace and support making deals with the Palestinians. We're definitely not for eternal war, like the neocons and their right-wing Christian fundamentalist allies want. Well, the neocons want eternal war and the right-wing Christians want to start Armageddon.

    •  Plenty of polls back this up, too (3+ / 0-)
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      US Jews are just about as anti-war as the Quakers and similar groups, it turns out.  They're also overwhelmingly pro-choice and economically fairly liberal.  And most care a lot about Israel, and want to make sure it continues to exist and is secure (although most probably aren't comfortable with the Israeli right).

      "If another country builds a better car, we buy it. If they make a better wine, we drink it. If they have better healthcare . . . what's our problem? "

      by mbayrob on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 10:39:00 PM PDT

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  •  Because... (1+ / 0-)
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    she's batshit crazy?

  •  I do not think the Jewish vote is going to move (1+ / 0-)
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    mbayrob

    the hardliners have made up their minds a long time ago.  Everyone else is voting for Obama.

  •  I am Jewish -- but we are only 1.7% of the US pop (3+ / 0-)
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    I don't understand why the "Jewish Vote" is talked about so much in the press.  It's one of the smallest minorities (5.5 million?).  Hispanics are 15%... I mean, I'd like to think we're a big group to be courted, but it just isn't true...

    •  But very unevenly distributed (2+ / 0-)
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      Jews as a group are much more urban than most groups, and they tend to favor larger cities.

      It's not that they're that numerous.  It's that they're very likely to vote, and some live in swing states.

      "If another country builds a better car, we buy it. If they make a better wine, we drink it. If they have better healthcare . . . what's our problem? "

      by mbayrob on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 11:03:26 PM PDT

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      •  And,of course, (0+ / 0-)

        we control the media and the government. Or so I've been told.

        "Leap, and the net will appear." -- John Burroughs

        by somtam on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 11:23:09 PM PDT

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        •  Not everybody who believes that are for McCain (1+ / 0-)
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          Since we can find the odd person around here that seems to think it's true.

          Still, Jews tend to be pretty politically aware, whatever their politics, and they are much more likely to give to political causes than most American ethnics.  This is also a reason why Jews are a bit more important politically than the pure numbers would predict.

          But in a world that's run by a corporate aristocracy, it's sad the nut balls believe these things.  In the corporate world, it's still very white, and very Protestant.  Folks that think otherwise don't know much about how their world is ruled.

          "If another country builds a better car, we buy it. If they make a better wine, we drink it. If they have better healthcare . . . what's our problem? "

          by mbayrob on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 11:33:33 PM PDT

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        •  And the blogosphere. (1+ / 0-)
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          Markos Moulitzawitz, Arianna Huffingberg ...

  •  I do not care (0+ / 0-)

    I am sick and tired of us catering to Israel.

  •  I'm sorry but this diary is (1+ / 0-)
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    arielle

    condescending and insulting. I seriously doubt the diarist has ever met a Jew in his or her entire life.

    We Jews are not a bunch of mindless automatons, thank you very much. Most of us would no more support John McCain for his Bush-like cowboy style support of Israel than would most women support McCain for putting a woman on the ticket who doesn't actually support women's issues.

    Most of us are liberals, some are conservatives, some are moderates. And while many of us, myself included, support Israel's right to exist, we each have our own opinions as to how America can best support Israel's existence, and which American president would approach the issue properly.

    And I'll speak for myself here when I say that as a Jewish American, I put America first. Because this is my country, and because a strong and healthy America, lead by a strong, healthy and thoughtful president, is best equipped to ensure a future for the Israeli people. And for Palestinian people as well.

    "Leap, and the net will appear." -- John Burroughs

    by somtam on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 11:07:25 PM PDT

  •   Are they not human? (0+ / 0-)

    where have I heard that......?

    oh yeah,

    " Hath not a Jew eyes; hath not a Jew hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer that a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that..........."

    ...A Shylock reference?

    schmendric9, you have some points, but maybe don't be a schmendrick!

  •  Looking at the demographics of Jews with an open (0+ / 0-)

    eye and mind is important in talking about US politics.

    I know that some of the Members Of The Tribe reading this diary find the description of the diarist annoying.  But the issue here I don't think is so much accuracy.  The issue is some of us are deeply embarrassed by the kinds of Jews that might support McCain, or that would even consider voting for him.

    Chill.  And remember, some of the choicest insults in Yiddish are used to describe other Jews :-)

    The issue isn't what some of us find comfortable.  The issue is how best to use information like this to win for Barack.  There are good studies and poll data on what Jewish swing voters are like.  We may think these people are idiots, and likely, some of them are. But especially in states like Florida (and perhaps Michigan and Ohio as well), it's worth understanding them well enough to see if we can squeeze out a few more thousand votes for Obama/Biden in key states.

    "If another country builds a better car, we buy it. If they make a better wine, we drink it. If they have better healthcare . . . what's our problem? "

    by mbayrob on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 11:27:50 PM PDT

  •  I find the diarist's approach offputting but... (4+ / 0-)

    I'd say this diary is a very inept presentation of something that's basically common sense.

    I'm Jewish; many of my friends are Jewish; most Jews I are die hard Democrats. Of course I'm also gay and most of my friends are as well, whether Jewish or not. There are a few--even among the gay ones--who tilt towards the middle or even the right--some are upper income entrepreneurs while others are decidedly blue collar.

    It is a gross oversimplification to assume that Jews as a block think first about a candidate's position vis a vis Israel, though there certainly are many who do. I do think it's safe to say that most Jews would be extremely uncomfortable voting for a candidate who they believed was hostile towards Israel's right to exist.

    Consider that the largest concentrations of Jewish voters are in New York (safely Blue), California (safely Blue), Illinois (safely Blue because of Obama and...Florida. Again it is simply common sense to realize that because Florida is such a crucial swing state, any significant voting bloc therein can have an enormous impact.

  •  for some other perspectives on (0+ / 0-)

    the Israeli and Jewish points of view.  

    http://www.israelenews.com/...

    This news source has many points of view, yikes!
    Pretty spicy stuff here!

    Excerpt from a pro Palin article titled, "Patriotism and Exceptionalism" written 09/19/2008
    http://www.israelenews.com/...

    For Obama, who refuses to wear an American pin or place his hand on his heart while singing the national anthem, “true true patriotism, .. is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security.” How uninspiring is that. Palin stands for everything the Democrats oppose.

    Excerpt, from a not that pro Republican, article titled, 'Did The Jews Kill Jesus? Ask the Republican Jewish Coalition" 09/19/2008
    http://www.israelenews.com/...

    Under the pretense of trying to better understand how Jewish voters feel about Barack Obama, the Republican Jewish Coalition is conducting a poll that resembles an approach used for years, by Anti-Semites who sought to make Jew hatred acceptable in our culture. Like their hate-mongering predecessors, the poll inquires about people's feelings on a topic, in this case Senator Obama, in light of things which others, have said about him. The premise being that if someone you like said something nice about him, you too should support him. If however, someone you don't like was supportive if him, perhaps you should fear him.

    Excerpt from an article warning of the dangers of Christian Zionism 09/18/2008
    http://www.israelenews.com/...

    Christian Zionism is an extremist movement which supports the claims of those who believe that the State of Israel should take control of all of the land currently disputed between Palestinians and Israelis. It views the creation and expansion of the modern state of Israel as the fulfillment of biblical prophecy toward the second coming of Jesus.

    "Israeli Citizen Attempts to Throw U.S. Presidential Election," regarding the distribution of "Obsession" propaganda film.09/19/2008
    http://www.israelenews.com/...

    What does the Israeli government think of one of its citizens attempting to insert himself into the U.S. presidential politics on behalf of one party’s candidate? If I were Tzipi Livni this would cause me some concern as the nation’s foreign minister. In fact, if I worked for the Obama campaign I think I might make a discrete phone call to the Israeli embassy to ask them a question or two about Shore’s activities and whether they have the approval of the Israeli government

  •  Palin is scary to US Jews not because of Israel (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    raboof, AaronInSanDiego, arielle

    US Jews live here. Palin has some weird ties. We will probably never know exactly what, but between Dominionists, the Jews for Jesus preachers, John Birch newsletters, and some off-color jokes, we've gotten glimpses that she may not be a run-of-the-mill fundamentalist. I think a lot of Jews have a pretty good radar for anti-Semites, and there is a suspicious blip on that radar emanating from Wasilla.

    Living as a Jew in the US with an anti-Semitic president would mean: quotas (like the old Ivy league quotas against New York), loyalty tests (1950s), lots of public prayers (just to make those who don't want to thank Christ stand out), exclusion from positions of influence, government funded efforts to convert Jews, demonization of some high-profile Jews, and then it gets worse from there starting with new Supreme Court justices who won't separate church and state. With the vindictiveness and lack of professionalism Palin brings to governing, it would be no surprise to see her gladly overstep the bounds to get at groups she despises.

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