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Call me a tin hatter, but if Senator Leahy is worried about it, then so am I. Truthout.org has picked up an article from The Progressive, and it's very troubling. Our military has taken on a new sphere of action.

Leahy worries about military unit

Go, read it, and tell me you're not worried.

Not worried yet? Let me briefly review what I see.

Like for example:

We've known for some time that the US military has been working on sophisticated "non-lethal" crowd control technology.

We remember that contracts were given out after 9-11 for building certain civilian containment camps in safe, secure red states.

And as the article reminds us, GWB quietly gave himself the authority to declare an emergency in which he can become the government.

And now there's a dedicated North American force in our military, one which was used to subdue Baghdad.

Every time I think my head can't spin around any faster, every time I think that I recognize the universe I'm in, something like this happens.

I've read "Shock Doctrine". I'm a student of history. There are no coincidences.

Originally posted to VA gentlewoman on Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 09:28 PM PDT.

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  •  Not tin hat, at all. (5+ / 0-)

    Look at the animals you're dealing with: Crazier than shit-house rats.  Does anyone fail to see that yet?

    We don't have time for short-term thinking.

    by Compound F on Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 09:35:19 PM PDT

  •  Been posted dozens of times. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Anne Elk

    Personally I think it's way overblown.  

    It's a Katrina artifact when the forces needed to get NO back up and running weren't available and didn't have any legal standing to do so.

    And it's only a brigade ffs.  A brigade couldn't take and hold a reasonable sized suburb, let alone a city in full-blown 'riot' mode.

    -- Hope is the adrenaline of the mind. --

    by Druid800 on Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 09:36:16 PM PDT

  •  I find this troubling too. (1+ / 0-)
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    Big Tex

    Ed Schultze was on this during his radio show today.

    I really have to wonder if US soldiers could really go after US citizens.  Duty and honor...?

    dissent not only welcome... but encouraged

    by newfie53523 on Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 09:37:24 PM PDT

  •  There's one major flaw with (4+ / 0-)
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    AbsurdEyes, Arken, newfie53523, Druid800

    this entire idea.  What makes you think the soldiers will actually carry out the orders to attack their fellow citizens?  Russian soldiers refused to do it in 1991.  I just have a hard time believing they would.

    "My sister in law is an oak tree. No she's a manhole cover. I've got a mind like a jukebox. Hey, didn't you kill my brother?" Alexei Sayle

    by lying mcliar on Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 09:37:32 PM PDT

  •  There's actually a different reason to be (5+ / 0-)

    disturbed by this. My conjecture is that this brigade was moved in because the various state National Guards are far too depleted and/or deployed to do what they should be doing.

  •  More info at Democracy Now (2+ / 0-)
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    Arken, Druid800

    Amy Goodman interviews Colonel Michael Boatner

    COL. MICHAEL BOATNER: And again, there has been some concern and some misimpressions that I would like to correct. The primary purpose of this force is to provide help to people in need in the aftermath of a WMD-like event in the homeland. It’s something that figures very prominently in the national planning scenarios under the National Response Framework, and that’s how DoD provides support in the homeland to civil authority. This capability is tailored technical life-saving support and then further logistic support for that very specific scenario. So, we designed it for that purpose.

    "I'm living in an age that calls darkness light" Arcade Fire

    by AbsurdEyes on Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 09:44:53 PM PDT

  •  Wow, look at how close our two diaries are. (0+ / 0-)

    Both in posting and in point.

    We need this kind of military to affect the "change" required for the supernational corporations to quell the inevitable uprisings. (Stomp our faces into the mud).

    "The Internet makes you stupid." Something Awful

    by I Art Laughing on Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 09:46:09 PM PDT

  •  I don't think we're there yet (2+ / 0-)
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    Big Tex, beeninthewoods

    but that sane people even have to worry about this says volumes.  We know by now how corrupt this administration is, and they have caused this country and it's people great harm.  

    But the country is rejecting them.  We can root out the rest of these bad actors as we go along.  We need to keep our heads up, and keep going.  Climbing back up the slippery slope.

  •  Conspiracy theories (0+ / 0-)

    are all over the place, but something is going on.  Bilderbergers, Annunaki, who knows.  In a few more months there'll be all these empty buildings and people wandering the streets because they're not allowed to go inside.  That's already started.  People are easier to manage when they're scared and sick and hungry.  Something's in the works.

    By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes.

    Democracy is comin' to the USA -- Leonard Cohen

    by slithytove on Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 09:51:19 PM PDT

  •  Everyone seems to be missing the point on this (5+ / 0-)

    The question should not be whether or not our military would actually carry out these orders. It should be why does the President have the authority to make such orders. More specifically still, why in the the hell did Congress grant this much authority to the Bush administration and why is there not a concerted effort to get the John John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" (H.R.5122)repealed. It is a non-issue in the MSM.
    This kind of power should never have been given to the executive branch and the Congress (and the American people) should not let this ticking time go unchecked.

    Now, it is true that most egregious aspects of the bill are related to Bush's notorious signing statements which have questionable constitutionality. But, if Bush-Cheney did decide to exercise the martial law option, just who would stop him - our wonderful Supreme Court who violated legal precedent to appoint Bush commander in chief? Okay, I feel better.

    Naomi Wolf just published a piece on alternet about very issue, Read it and you might feel a bit more concern that maybe it could happen here.

    http://www.alternet.org/...

    In the article, she conducts an interview with a retired US colonel David Antoon about the implications of Bush striking down the Posse Comitatus act. I will reproduce a portion of that interview below:

    NW: "If the President directed the First Brigade to arrest Congress, what could stop him?"

    DA: "Nothing. Their only recourse is to cut off funding. The Congress would be at the mercy of military leaders to go to them and ask them not to obey illegal orders."

    NW: "But these orders are now legal?'"

    DA: "Correct."

    NW: "If the President directs the First Brigade to arrest a bunch of voters, what would stop him?"

    DA: "Nothing. It would end up in courts but the action would have been taken."

    NW: "If the President directs the First Brigade to kill civilians, what would stop him?"

    DA: "Nothing."

    NW: "What would prevent him from sending the First Brigade to arrest the editor of the Washington Post?"

    DA: "Nothing. He could do what he did in Iraq -- send a tank down a street in Washington and fire a shell into the Washington Post as they did into Al Jazeera, and claim they were firing at something else."

    NW: "What happens to members of the First Brigade who refuse to take up arms against U.S. citizens?"

    DA: "They'd probably be treated as deserters as in Iraq: arrested, detained and facing five years in prison. In Iraq a study by Ann Wright shows that deserters -- reservists who refused to go back to Iraq -- got longer sentences than war criminals."

    NW: "Given the danger do you advocate impeachment?"

    DA: "Yes. President Bush struck down Posse Comitatus -- which has prevented, with a penalty of two years in prison, U.S. leaders since after the Civil War from sending military forces into our streets -- with a 'signing statement.' He should be impeached immediately in a bipartisan process to prevent the use of military forces and mercenary forces against U.S. citizens."

  •  Soldiers, orders, and crowd emotion (0+ / 0-)

    Under stress, under orders, and when caught up in a crowd (or a mob).....the human mind loses access to the rational part and reverts to animal instincts, more or less.

    Shock Doctrine is real.
    I hope you can contact Leahy, contact others, and help prevent this from advancing.

    Also, do become the police and/or make friends with them.

    I'm concerned about the safety of our uniformed services here in NYC because on 9-11 they didn't have what they needed to keep them safe.

    Media Reform Action Link http://stopbigmedia.com/

    by LNK on Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 10:18:59 PM PDT

    •  First responders (0+ / 0-)

      Our first responders got so little out of all the millions that flowed out of the shock of 9-11.

      We already had one disaster where troops came in with drawn weapons instead of water. We don't need another one. That's why I wrote this diary.

  •  I want to explore a different angle (0+ / 0-)

    Anybody even overcooked a hot dog in the microwave?

    We've known for some time that the US military has been working on sophisticated "non-lethal" crowd control technology.

    Living over the Potomac from Camp David, near the alternative landing at Hagerstown Airport, I remember this little mishap in a helicopter a while ago. The crew was killed, but described like that wrinkled hot dog. No fire, no explosion. In the wrong place at the wrong time? Overpowered electromagnets. We know that these interfere with current computer weapon systems

    Scalar EM is the brainchild of Lt. Col. (retired) Thomas E. Bearden, a systems analyst and wargames specialist who has been advocating a view of electromagnetics which is based on the notion of a vast, unseen background of scalar energies (as opposed to vector  energies) which underly all physical reality.

    What electrical engineers work with today, claims Bearden, is a subset of a higher-topology EM. Bearden claims that the four "Maxwell's Equations" taught today in electrical engineering are actually an over-simplified subset of Maxwell's original work.

    The Big Question is, Will the 21st century see the acceptance, development, and implementation of Bearden's ideas (in plain public view, mind you), or will Scalar EM be found to have been just another dead end?.... Do certain world governments have these devices NOW?... Bearden says at least "three other nations, not hostile to the U.S.," now possess Scalar technology.  

    Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the living~~Mother Jones

    by CA Berkeley WV on Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 10:30:40 PM PDT

  •  Prudence: cheaper than imprudence (0+ / 0-)

    When there is an abundance of evidence, even if no part of it constitutes proof, it's wise to be prepared for and alert to possibilities one finds uncomfortable.

    Thousands of people every day are surprised by scenarios and events they never believed could or would happen.

    I trust Congress and the American People to keep both those groups safe in the event that something IS planned.  

    Remember, this is the Administration with documented plans to goad Iraq into firing upon U2 plans painted in UN colors, and to goad Iran into war with a false flag attack on US warships BY US fast attack boats painted in Iranian colors.

    We should not assume there is anything they wouldn't try.

    Our Moment is... (ding!) Now.

    by Leftcandid on Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 10:36:00 PM PDT

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