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In yesterday's Hill, I wrote up the Election Day deliverables we need to break their spirits:

Electoral College: Based on poll aggregates at Pollster.com, Obama leads with 320 electoral votes, while another 63 are toss-ups. Can Obama get to 369? That would leave McCain at 169, a crushing 200-electoral-vote margin. An eight-point or greater margin in the popular vote would be gravy, the largest since 1984.

Republican strongholds: People mocked Obama’s primary-era promise to expand the presidential map deep into places like Montana, North Dakota, Indiana, North Carolina and Georgia. Yet those states remain competitive today. Losing states that George W. Bush won big in 2004 would signal a stunning repudiation of the GOP.

Kentucky Senate: Republicans rejoiced at the ouster of then-Senate Democratic Leader Tom Daschle (S.D.) in 2004. Democrats now have a genuine chance to return the favor, with Bruce Lunsford running a vigorous challenge to Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. Winning here wouldn’t just get Democrats closer to 60 — the victory would decapitate GOP leadership.

Georgia Senate: Democrats haven’t forgotten how Republican Sen. Saxby Chambliss won his seat, shamefully smearing Vietnam hero and triple-amputee Max Cleland. Jim Martin is poised to deliver payback.

North Carolina Senate: Ousting Sen. Elizabeth Dole, one of the highest-profile members of the Senate, would serve notice that no one in GOP ranks is safe, not even their "celebrities." Democrat Kay Hagan leads in the polls.

California Proposition 8: With Connecticut recently joining the ranks of enlightened states allowing same-sex marriage, the march toward equality is making inroads nationwide. Conservatives hope to reverse momentum by eliminating that right in California.

Colorado "right-to-work": Defeating this Republican-backed "right-to-work," or free-rider, referendum would be the first time in over a decade that one of these anti-worker measures was beaten back at the polls.

Arizona 3rd: Rep. John Shadegg was the dogmatic right’s choice for House Republican leader in 2006, garnering support from the Club for Growth, the National Review and conservative bloggers. If challenger Bob Lord has his way, conservatives would lose one of their strongest voices in Congress.

California 4th: California conservative icon Tom McClintock has carpetbagged 400 miles to try and win this heavily Republican open seat. If Charlie Brown wins, it would be the sixth-most conservative district held by a Democrat — a real blow to California Republicans.

Connecticut 4th: Christopher Shays is the last Republican House member from all of New England. Jim Himes aims to make the region pure blue.

Wyoming At-Large and Texas 7th: These districts, once held by Dick Cheney and George H.W. Bush, respectively, are being heavily contested by Democrats Gary Trauner (Wyo.) and Michael Skelly.

Florida 18th, 21st, and 25th: Winning these seats held by Cuban-American Republicans wouldn’t just break the hard-line Cuban stranglehold in the region, but also leave the House Republican Conference 100 percent lily-white.

This is called "raising expectations", because simple victory is not enough. If you want a radical departure from the governments we've suffered the last several decades, we must deliver a whipping the likes Republicans haven't seen in ages.

I realize there are people uncomfortable with aggressive language and action. That's the difference between liberal weenies and movement progressives. Liberal weenies sit around thinking that "the truth" is enough for victory, and that if we simply explain to voters why Democrats are better, why, we can't possibly lose any elections! That's the crowd that wants to keep the "high ground" and doesn't want to go down in the gutters and fight the GOP where they live, lest we get a little muddied ourselves.

Movement progressives realize that we must do everything necessary allowable under the law to win because elections have consequences. This isn't about who is most pure, but about taking the fight to the enemy and aggressively embracing progressivism, offering clear contrasts between us and them, and fighting fire with fire. There's no ambiguity about where I belong.

So to my fellow movement progressives, embrace that killer instinct and let's finish the job. We've got conservatives demoralized and on the run. They are retrenching around their most important voices. So let's pick off those they've left exposed and go after their best defended leaders as well. Let's get rid of John Shadegg and Mitch McConnell and Liddy Dole and the rest of them. Leave them leaderless, and susceptible to takeover by the Evangelical Right that so freaked out Wall Street conservatives during the primaries (when Huckabee was briefly in the lead).

Let's run up Obama's margins in the Blue states and narrow them in the Red states to give Obama a huge, unmistakable national mandate. Let's win states Bush won by 20 points or so in 2004, like Indiana, Montana and North Dakota, to rub salt in their wounds. Let's keep forcing them to go more and more into debt, so that they emerge from the election with their coffers drained, heavily in debt.

Some of these races are featured on our O2B page, most are not. We can only do so much in our little corner of the political world. But there are a lot of people out there fighting the good fight, in a movement that spans online, offline, union and non-union, wealthy and not-so-wealthy, professional and volunteer, black, white, brown, and every shade in between, male and female, in all 50 states and DC.

So if you can give, give to your favorite campaigns. If you can't give, donate an afternoon of your time and help out at the local political office phonebanking or canvassing or however else you can contribute to the cause. If you can do both, do both.

Leave everything on the road.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:45 PM PDT.

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  •  Does this make Obama a liberal weenie? (6+ / 0-)

    Liberal weenies sit around thinking that "the truth" is enough for victory, and that if we simply explain to voters why Democrats are better, why, we can't possibly lose any elections!

    I believe that's at least 69% of Barack's tactics.  "You lie about me, I'll tell the truth about you."

    The Obama/Biden Inaugural -- the exact moment when the world goes from gray to colorful.

    by alkatt on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:48:56 PM PDT

    •  Obama's truth is pretty muscular (5+ / 0-)

      He doesn't beat around the bush or act apologetic. He just speaks.

      I trust the Obama-Biden campaign. These folks know what the hell they are doing.

      by Jennifer Clare on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:58:01 PM PDT

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      •  Obama knows the power of narrative (3+ / 0-)
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        mcmom, Old Gardener, dotalbon

        Instead of listing facts, Obama knows to tell stories, compelling stories that match the pre-existing templates in people's minds already.

        Latest brain science indicates this is the only way to reach people. Rational part of brain is fragile, moves slower, has to catch up with the gut reactions and emotional response.

        For Example:

        An American Boyhood: Barack Obama, Raised in Hawaii, USA
        http://video.yahoo.com/...

        Media Reform Action Link http://stopbigmedia.com/

        by LNK on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:33:21 PM PDT

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    •  Yeah, I think so (5+ / 0-)
      And I think that's a better model than Kos's "must do everything necessary allowable under the law."

      Obama's fought every step of the way. Fought hard and tough. But he's still kept the moral high ground. And it's worked. Many here have clamored for him to get down and dirty with attacks against McCain. He hasn't and so McCain's attacks look like bitter flailing.
      Would we be better off if Obama had run a nasty bitter attack campaign, especially given the easy target McCain would make? Maybe, maybe not. All we can say is that he's winning without it.

      More philosophically, the means matter, sometimes as much as the ends. Do we really want people in office who'll do anything to win? Even if they're Democrats?

      So, yes, the larger point stands. Fight. Make this a landslide. Canvas, phonebank, donate, whatever you can do. But don't use Rovian tactics. We can't just sit around and assume the truth will win, but we don't need to lie and smear. If we work hard enough the truth will be enough.

      The Empire never ended.

      by thejeff on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:10:32 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Obama became a state senator (2+ / 0-)
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        mcmom, Old Gardener

        in part by getting one of his possible primary opponents taken off the ballot for lacking enough good signatures. That's a completely legal tactic that when Republicans use it against Democrats, many around here call a dirty trick, an outrage, etc.

        I'd say Obama plays hardball.

      •  Where did Markos say to go Rovian? (0+ / 0-)

        I think, therefore I am. I think.

        by mcmom on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:57:14 PM PDT

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        •  He didn't, of course (2+ / 0-)
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          But it was lines like:
          "wants to keep the "high ground" and doesn't want to go down in the gutters and fight the GOP where they live, lest we get a little muddied ourselves."

          "must do everything necessary allowable under the law to win"

          "fighting fire with fire"

          that sparked my little rant. Along with the constant calls here, that have abated a bit lately, for Obama to go on the attack, which he really hasn't and that has worked for him.

          All of those quotes imply doing a lot of things we get outraged about when Republicans do them. Some of the worst Rovian tactics were illegal, so they would be out, but plenty of the slimy stuff wasn't, so should we follow his example, but just make certain to stay just within the law?

          The Empire never ended.

          by thejeff on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 05:48:41 PM PDT

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          •  The problem with "doing everything that is ... (0+ / 0-)

            ... necessary because election results matter" is that once you fully accept this way of thinking, you don't stop after the election. You just go on compromising your principles because after the election other issues come along. For example a certain law that has to be passed because it's passage is too important to play the "liberal weenie" ... and then it's some other issue that's too important, and suddenly you might realize that you have compromised so many principles that you are just acting like a Republican and have not really changed anything.

            Hm ... I guess I should have posted this in response to another reply further up, but anyway, my problem with kos' proposition in the original diary is that the means DO matter because you never really reach the ends, there is always something new coming up. And along the way, your means define who you are.

            •  Good thing Kennedy and Johnson (1+ / 0-)
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              mcmom

              did recognize those constraints, because a whole lot of the Democratic legacy would be non-existent, and many peoples lives would be a lot worse then they are today because of it. The ends often do justify the means. All movements corrupt eventually, all parties corrupt, all governments, etc. A newly minted Democratic majority, or progressive majority will do the same eventually. Look at most of the old liberal lions, doing their best to cut secret trade deals, gut ethics reforms, defeat fuel efficiency standards, etc.

              What's the old joke-- politicians are like diapers, they need to be changed often and for the same reason. Moments of progressive action tend to be short, very short. You grab as much as you can, as quickly as you can, by whatever means necessary before the inevitable reaction, which is as natural as evolution. I fear most progressives don't understand this, they've been duped into believing that liberal change is a glacial process, it never has been, incrementalism is not a liberal's friend, it's a conservative's. Don't delude yourself into thinking the Democratic brand will keep going up up up, that means to an end, if by definition a corrupt means, will terminate when the majority does, it's an equilibrium. The legislative fury that was the Great Society lasted about 4-years, and terminated about 40-years ago, there has not been as much important legislation passed in the succeeding four decades. Just as the first four-years of the New Deal achieved more important legislation then had been achieved in the 100-years before it. Ask Roosevelt if the ends justified the means, if even just for a few years.

  •  Don't Let Drudge Know This (4+ / 0-)
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    He is blasting that this race is two points. I guess anything to make the right's day and to drive the narrative.

  •  where do I sign-up? n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  Kos.. (3+ / 0-)
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    housesella, mcmom, beatpanda

    you're so sexy when you're gunning for Republicans...(figuratively of course....)

  •  FBI investigating ACORN (2+ / 0-)
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    TomP, notquitedelilah

    possibly violating DoJ rules.
    See Talking Point Memo.

  •  YES! How do you spell landslide? (6+ / 0-)

    O B A M A

    Let us work to make this a landslide.  The prospect of which will shake the rotten GOP corpus to its core.

    Kos, why is no one on any network or debate mentioning Keating 5, which is directly related to ethics and the financial crisis?  Even 527's are not hitting on this.

    Obama--A Bridge to Somewhere

    by venezia on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:50:35 PM PDT

    •  heard that fake plumber "Joe" was a Keating (0+ / 0-)

      he'll need to pass the plumber licensing test to be in business as a plumber (so a real plumber told me).

      Has there been any more information on the Keating link to the latest "Joe"?

      Joe Bozo, has yet to decide, because, he is Joe Bozo!

      •  No - it's a right wing rick roll (1+ / 0-)
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        dkosdan

        2008, the Year the Republican Party dissolved into a puddle of goo

        by shpilk on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 09:01:58 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  thanks, that's right, Keating was McCain's friend (0+ / 0-)

          and he has and will seek advice from his good friend Graham, who brought us the rationale for the deregulation that has set back so many retirement accounts.

          Glad they used the latest Joe to remind us of that.

          Perhaps, they were hoping it would be like Dan Rather getting too close to GW's delinquent behavior in the reserves (which I still believe he was, based on recollections of the folks the media slandered). Then fooling him with a bogus document, but here we know the author of the rumor (or, has this apparent Republican Institute thrown McCain under the bus too?).

          It all seems unfair, for fake plumbers and documents, remember the fake intelligence report on the African yellow cake that was used as a pretext for invading Iraq.

        •  sorry, meant Phil Gramm (0+ / 0-)

          enough misinformation already :)

  •  Correct me if I'm wrong, but (13+ / 0-)

    I believe what kos meant to say is break their fucking spirts.

    McCain housing policy shaped by lobbyist

    by Nonconformist on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:50:57 PM PDT

  •  My favorite comparison (6+ / 0-)

    made so far was of McLame as Wile E. Coyote, tattered and torn, limping back to the drawing board while Obama as the Roadrunner suavely "meep-meep"ed  on his way by.

    Zoom! See-ya! CHANGE!

    Of course the king of visuals is the ranking of trains, if I take nothing else from this community (and I've already gotten so much) I'd always have that.

  •  How's the race against Inhofe playing? (5+ / 0-)
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    Woody, LNK, twigg, TheUnknown285, nathguy

    I'm thinking about donating some cash to Andrew Rice.

    •  Give him all you can (4+ / 0-)
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      Woody, pontechango, LNK, TheUnknown285

      He needs it.

      We do not forgive our candidates their humanity, therefore we compel them to appear inhuman

      by twigg on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:57:52 PM PDT

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      •  Ugh. Inhofe is up by 14 points (0+ / 0-)

        http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/...

        My money is probably better spent in NH.

        I don't have that much to spread around.

        •  rice needs name recognition (2+ / 0-)
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          Woody, pontechango

          the thing that hurts is nobody knows him

          George Bush is Living proof of the axiom "Never send a boy to do a man's job" E -2.25 S -4.10

          by nathguy on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:03:48 PM PDT

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          •  Same's true of Kleeb (1+ / 0-)
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            nathguy

            -14  but he's been making up ground fast.

            The fundamental business of the country... is on a sound and prosperous basis. Hoover, 1929 The fundamentals of our economy are strong. McCain, 2008

            by ogre on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:45:20 PM PDT

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        •  Look again! (1+ / 0-)
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          pontechango

          If the popular former Governor Jeanne Shaheen can't win without your lousy $200 -- hey, hasn't she led in every poll taken this year? Hasn't she raised a few million herself already? * NH is a state that gets its TV broadcast signals out of the huge and expensive Boston market. * NH is a state that turned out both its Repub House members in '06 and is set to reelect the two good Democrats put in their place. * NH is a state with a Democratic Governor and in '06 the voters swept out a hundred or more Repubs from its Lege to give control to the Democrats. * No one has ever said on these blogs that Jeanne Shaheen needed money for this high-profile race in deep blue New England. If you really want to make a difference with your $200, New Hampshire is NOT the place.

          In Oklahoma, the other choice you mentioned, electing the young progressive Andrew Rice over climate change denier Inhofe would probably be the single greatest qualitative change in any Senate seat this year. (Yeah, GA is a close #2.) * OK has only one Dem member of the House delegation, against four Repubs, and two Repub Senators. * OK has two medium-sized, not too expensive TV markets, Oklahoma City and Tulsa. * OK rarely supports Democrats for federal offices, and most of the state and local Dems avoid supporting the national party. * If the DSCC borrows $20 million, they will decide where to spend it based in part on fund-raising success of the various candidates. You have a chance to help tip the balance toward Andrew Rice. Your money could go a long way in OK.

          •  what is it about oklahoma... (1+ / 0-)
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            pontechango

            Will someone explain why Oklahoma is like this?  I don't know much about their political machine beyond what an idiot/a-hole Imhofe is...

            •  oil and gas industry brainwashing n/t (2+ / 0-)
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              Woody, pontechango
              •  "Takes one to know one" (2+ / 0-)
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                pontechango, twigg

                West Texas Dem knows whereof he speaks! A disease endemic to the Oil Patch. (See also Louisiana. And Alaska. Also.)

                If we could carve out the three Congressional districts centered around Amarillo, Lubbock, and Midland-Odessa and put them aside, the rest of the state of Texas would shift at least two or three points to the left on every political meter.

                But let me add a mention of the Oral Roberts ministries and university and the likes to elaborate on the "why is it like this" problem. What's considered a cult where you live, in these parts has a fine church building on Main Street.

                To be fair to Oklahoma, I have to wonder who was the last  nominee to go to the Sooner State to preach the Democratic word? LBJ? Harry Truman? This is 50-state strategy, contest-every-race territory indeed.

                •  You don't have to be fair to Oklahoma (2+ / 0-)
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                  Woody, pontechango

                  OK is a political nightmare.

                  Recently Inhofe had a 30 point lead. Get it below 10 and that would be money well spent.

                  Tulsans bitch all day about jobs, roads, schools, the Mayor .....

                  Quite frankly, they get the Govt. they voted for.

                  Oh, and I live there.

                  We do not forgive our candidates their humanity, therefore we compel them to appear inhuman

                  by twigg on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 04:55:45 PM PDT

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                  •  And to think one of the most liberal senators (0+ / 0-)

                    I can remember came from Oklahoma, Fred Harris. He was a quasi-socialist. Then again, the senator that occupied Orrin Hatch's seat before he did, Frank Moss, was just as liberal. As was Frank Church in Idaho. Mansfield and Metcalf in Montana. Gale McGee in Wyoming. McGovern in South Dakota, etc.

                •  He's a she, but point well-taken n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  I'm with ya! (3+ / 0-)
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    LNK, mcmom, TheUnknown285

    No swing state voter not called, no blue-state coworker not nagged, no Republican family member not educated.  Let's do it!

    Let all the dreamers wake the nation.

    by Nancy in LA on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:51:30 PM PDT

  •  CNN is trying to throw the election. (2+ / 0-)
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    TheUnknown285, elsibiades

    link

    Can we "break" them, too?  
    .

  •  Break their spirits for their own good. (12+ / 0-)

    This country needs an opposition party that is not a bunch of corrupt monarchists.

    The future will be better tomorrow. -D.Quayle

    by word player on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:52:15 PM PDT

  •  Movement progressive here... (13+ / 0-)

    ...who will be working the phonebanks again tonight to defeat Prop. 8 in CA.  It's good to know that so many people are working so hard to make this type of progress happen -- all across our country.  Whatever your issue, whomever your candidate -- get out there and make it happen!

    [I]n the secret courts of men's hearts, Atticus had no case.

    by TichMarie on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:52:38 PM PDT

  •  Boot Cornyn (2+ / 0-)
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    TheUnknown285, dconrad

    If you really want to knock of a biggie, support noriega against cornyn.  

  •  I have no problem with the language of (22+ / 0-)

    these posts.  We must make the most of this once-in-a-lifetime chance to restore our constitutional government.

    Give me a hand with this

  •  Don't forget popular vote. (5+ / 0-)

    If Obama wins with an outright majority of the popular vote, he would be the first Democrat to do so since Carter in '76 (correct?).

    %1% doesn't sound very impressive to the average person, but it would be a big deal and should be framed and trumpeted as such.

    And for every % point above 50 it becomes exponentially a bigger deal (or at least Obama partisans ought rightly portray it as so)

    •  Our Friend (0+ / 0-)

      Pat B. announced last night that no percentage will be high enough to give That One a mandate - a  true "WTF moment"!

      •  but but but (0+ / 0-)

        Bush had a "mandate" with less than 2% Pat...

        I mean come on... oh yeah IOKIYAR -- silly little liberal.

        Proud supporter of Barack Who's Sane Obama

        by Blue VA on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:14:18 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I believe tha crazy "logic" (0+ / 0-)

          comes from his mantra "It's only because of the Wall Street timing!"; the Republicans were ahead on the day it tanked (also during their convention bounce but ... hey), so they would've stayed ahead (or broken even at worst). Palin would have net positives otherwise, too.

      •  PAT B is a hustler (0+ / 0-)

        He's trying to cut you guys off at the pass and you should stuff it back down his throat (on what program did he try this line? was there a response?)

        Obama has a good chance to win with

        more states
        more electoral votes
        a greater percentage of popular votes
        a greater total number of votes cast
        a greater percentage of eligible voters
        a greater number of congressional districts popular vote...

        than George Bush's 'mandate' re-election in 2004.

        Buchanan can say anything he likes.. Every time he does so is a perfect opportunity for soomeone from your side call him on his bullshit and knock him on his ear.

  •  Kentucky closes early; we will have an early (10+ / 0-)

    indication of how sweet Nov 4th may turn out to be.
    Getting rid of Mcconnell will be very nice.

    The White House will be The People's House--B.Obama

    by Phil S 33 on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:53:50 PM PDT

    •  Careful what we wish for (1+ / 0-)
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      Tomato Observer

      I'd be thrilled if we get rid of McConnell, but then again, I worry that that may be just what the Republicans need.  When they got rid of Daschle, that was probably the best thing that happened to the Dems in 2004.  I love Daschle, but Reid was much more of a fighter.  I know people have their problems with Reid, and many of those are justified, but he was a real fighter in early 2005 when things were not looking good for us.  He raised a lot of our spirits and I think played a big part on getting the Dems back on their feet for the big, big win in 2006.  

      I am not voting against Hillary, I am voting for Obama

      by NewDem on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:20:56 PM PDT

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      •  Look over their bench... (0+ / 0-)

        and then ask, who would replace him as minority leader?

        Their choices suck--either moderate (far too moderate for GOP tastes, particularly after getting an electoral baseball bat in the teeth) and distasteful to the energized losers of the rabid religious right and the neocon über alles crowds, or wildly bizarre and deranged... throwing kerosene on the 2010 elections for us.  Say... Inhofe.

        The fundamental business of the country... is on a sound and prosperous basis. Hoover, 1929 The fundamentals of our economy are strong. McCain, 2008

        by ogre on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:49:42 PM PDT

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  •  Roll music from Mortal Kombat! Finish them!!!!!!! (4+ / 0-)

    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself - FDR. Obama Nation. -6.13 -6.15

    by ecostar on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:54:12 PM PDT

  •  CA-04 (6+ / 0-)

    Tom McClintock is on the ropes in the fourth district and Charlie can win this thing. But the folks out there working for him need help. Contact them to volunteer, but if not, send some cash their way.

    Volunteer for Charlie Brown

    Contribute to Charlie Brown

    •  The Republicans are in more trouble then they (1+ / 0-)
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      dkosdan

      realize, especially in California. In 2002 the California legislature, at Nancy Pelosi's request, essentially passed a redistricting plan that was an incumbent protection act. The Democrats had opportunities to eliminate many more Republican districts then they did, they instead choose to create these super-Democratic, and super-Republican districts. The Republicans were willing to go along with it, even though it would consign them to permanent minority status, because the other option was even worse, complete annihilation would have followed.

      These super-Republican districts were supposed to be safe, even in a tidal wave election, that was the whole point, but even in these districts they are looking at potential losses now. Many of these districts were considered so safe little polling had been done until recently, and it has now scared the shit out of the GOP. CA-03, 26, 46 and 50 are all possible losses! Dan Lungren, one of the nuttiest, bat shit crazy types in the House, a six-term Congressman in a super-Republican district is only 3 points up with 30% of voters still undecided! Lungren beat Bill Durston by 21-points in 2006! Rohrabacher, Drier and Bilbray all once considered untouchable in their super-Republican districts are now in panic mode. These are not just stock Republicans, they've been important cogs in the GOP machine for a long time. But it underlines a real big problem for the California GOP, what were once considered safe districts just six, or eight-years ago, have changed so dramatically with an influx of liberals from the Bay Area, or LA, that their districts, like Pombo's in 2006, are decreasingly Republican. We may not have to wait until after the census to kill off the GOP in California, it might happen in three weeks!

  •  to borrow a phrase: "we'll whip their asses" (2+ / 0-)
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    and that's just for starters...

    We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.

    by Lepanto on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:55:08 PM PDT

  •  Frankly (16+ / 0-)

    I think the only way to break their spirits is to dismantle the infrastructure the Republican party put in place with Nixon, Reagan, and Bush the elder, and Bush the younger.

    The only way to do this is to hold the executive branch accountable with an Obama administration and NOT sweep the crimes and wrongs done by the Bush administration under the White House carpet.

    Bill Clinton and the Congressional Democrats made this mistake in 1993 and it allowed for the 1994 Republican gains in Congress and the 2000 election of Bush the younger.

    The only way to break the spirit of the Republicans is to destroy the imperial executive by holding the previous administration accountable to the full extent of the law.

    If this is not done, then we just set the table for the next Republican imperial unitary executive. Bush was bad, and unless we dismantle and discredit their infrastructure, the next Republican president will be worse.

    •  Yup (9+ / 0-)

      I want to see:

      Anyone who resigned out of conscience gets their old job back.

      All DOJ appointments get immediately reviewed, and serious house-cleaning done.  Freeze all data for 2 weeks, archive everything and start new systems up for data collection.  It will be expensive, but get the records before they're lost or shredded, if possible.

      Prosecute anybody not pardoned.

      Reopen the 9/11 Commission, enact the already agreed-to response, investigate the hell out of it.

      Remove every prisoner in Guantanamo Bay, bring them to the US for justice.

      Reopen the Padilla case.

      Here's a tough one.  Clean up Congress - Democratic and Republican.  

      Appoint a new FCC chief.

      Enact regulation.

      Renew any bans that were allowed to end.

      Prosecute hate speech on the radio.

      Bring back the Fairness Doctrine.

      Take back the airwaves (or in TV's case, the digital cable waves).

      Start anti-monopoly proceedings...

      Man, there's a lot to do...

      The MSM...excuse me, the Traditional Media is propaganda.

      by mmuskratt on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:07:49 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Joe, aka, Old timer, and I were talking about (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Magnifico

      the unitary executive last night, and how important it is to end the practice, regardless of party.

      I think, therefore I am. I think.

      by mcmom on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 04:03:40 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  What to make of these (0+ / 0-)

    pieces about the internal polling of McCain camp

    McCain camp strategy (from Politico)

    A Republican familiar with McCain’s internal polling contends the campaign’s positioning in Iowa, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin is "much better" than public surveys indicate.

    And this post from Redstate

    •  it may be true (4+ / 0-)

      i can also imagine them being complete lies, just so they can limp through the next 3 weeks without losing all their supporters.

      Tell me, if you have 10 polls saying Obama is ahead 15 points in PA, and 1 poll saying it's close (McCain's internals) which one might be the outlier?

      All extremists are irrational and should be exposed

      by SeanF on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:58:29 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  exactly... (0+ / 0-)

        there is no magical secret formula that campaigns employ in their internal polling that shows the Real Truth. All the public polls are showing one thing, McCain's poll is not gonna show something else if done correctly either.

        This is exactly what it appears--throwing some hope to the GOP base so they aren't as demoralized as they've been lately.

        "People place their hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution. They don't put their hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible." --J.R.

        by michael1104 on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:04:59 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Obama did ask us to remember New Hampshire (8+ / 0-)

      in the primaries...

      Joe also urging us to work hard in his latest donation email

      Anyone who tells you this election is already decided is dead wrong. Let's not forget the 2000 election, when Al Gore was up by double digits in October.

      The surest way to lose a race is to slow down with the finish line in sight.

      Proud supporter of Barack Who's Sane Obama

      by Blue VA on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:03:44 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Right on, Markos! (7+ / 0-)

    I want the Republicans to emerge broken, beaten to a pulp, and forced to reform their own party from within. Unable to win any more elections for a generation. We need to heal this nation after what they have done to it.

    I trust the Obama-Biden campaign. These folks know what the hell they are doing.

    by Jennifer Clare on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:56:00 PM PDT

  •  Good post, Kos. (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    frisco, mcmom, jnhobbs

    Elections do have consequences and working people need the crushing of the Republican Party.

    "What we've seen the last few days is nothing less than the final verdict on an economic philosophy that has completely failed." -- Barack Obama

    by TomP on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:56:03 PM PDT

  •  Pride cometh before a fall (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

    I pray we don't end up with a ton of egg on our face.  Rasmussen, Gallup and many other polls are tightening.

    After 2004 and after some of the primary elections, never again do I assume anything, much less the ability to break their spirits.

  •  Agressive Language? Gimme a Break (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    The Raven, mcmom, beatpanda

    I am in their face 24 / 7. Don't believe me. Check out my website. http://www.RepublicansAreADisease.com

    Get your free anti republiconvict signs.

  •  Fuck yes. (10+ / 0-)
    Thanks to Kos, I'm now volunteering for 3 (and possibly 4) different campaigns.

    A year ago, if you told me I was going to change my registration to Democrat and volunteer for Dem candidates other than Obama, I would have called you crazy.

    Now look at me.

    Curse you, Netroots, CURSE YOU!

    Ron Fournier is on the wreck list.

    by beatpanda on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:57:39 PM PDT

  •  The Untouchables (10+ / 0-)

    I want you to get this fuck where he breathes! I want you to find this nancy-boy Eliot Ness, I want him DEAD! I want his family DEAD! I want his house burned to the GROUND! I wanna go there in the middle of the night and I wanna PISS ON HIS ASHES!

    Oh wait, that sounds like a McPalin rally...nevermind...

    The MSM...excuse me, the Traditional Media is propaganda.

    by mmuskratt on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:58:39 PM PDT

  •  Definitely possible. (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    ogre, Woody, frisco


    (Stats from fivethirtyeight.com; I put Obama in negatives for sorting)

    McCain needs to reclaim West Virginia, North Carolina, Missouri, Nevada, Ohio, Florida, New Mexico, Colorado and Virginia to win (the bracketed states). Obama, if he has WV (listed as tied, last two polls were Obama+8/McCain+2), would be at 369-169. Then, a little over a two point swing in Indiana makes it 380-158.

    An 8 point swing to McCain and he barely wins. An 8 point swing to Obama and he wins 419-119 and his coattails bring in... well, pretty much everyone we'd like to see win.

  •  19 days (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Woody, TheUnknown285

    19 days til Bush is gone,
    19 days to go,
    send some money to Obama,
    19 days to go,

    19 days til Bush is gone,
    19 days to go,
    send some money to Biden,
    19 days to go,

    19 days til Bush is gone,
    19 days to go,
    send some money to Dr. Dean,
    19 days to go,

    19 days til Bush is gone,
    19 days to go,
    send some money to a candidate,
    19 days to go,

  •  The Civil War Analogy (9+ / 0-)

    Students of the civil war can cite numerous examples of battles in which the timid Union armies failed to pursue the confederates, prolonging the war for years and killing thousands of soldiers on both sides. Elections have consequences, as do wars.

    We can't allow any conservatives to leave the battlefield untouched. They will come back even stronger in the next battle. Slaughter them, staying within the law and with morality on our side. But don't let them hold any part of the battlefield that we can capture. The liberal dems will be quick to withdraw (like Gore and Kerry in 2000 and 2004). This time, led by progressives, we have to fight and win every battle, on the field or in the courts. Show mercy, but yield nothing.

  •  right fucking on (10+ / 0-)

    as usual, markos, with your posts about movement progressivism.  (Which, incidentally, makes me laugh when I think about the anti-DK blogs that claim to this day that markos is a centrist Republican plant...lol).

    Regardless, I'm flying up from LA to Washington to keep a promise I made to Darcy that I would walk neighborhoods for her before this election was over.  Of all the races that we didn't win in 2006, hers stung the worst, and I'd be beside myself if I didn't know that I was doing all I could to rectify that situation.

    Darcy's race, in my mind, is crucial for putting the fear of God into the Republicans, and signalling that we mean business.

    oops. I hope the gate wasn't too expensive.

    My blog. Come visit.

    by Dante Atkins on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:00:20 PM PDT

    •  Doing my reunion tour (6+ / 0-)

      I realize that they all sting. I've spent time now with Darcy, with Gary, and with Scott. They all sting. They all came so damned close, and they are all so good.

      The thing with those three who I've spent so much time with and have come to know so well is that they are doing this because they have to. None of them ever had ambitions to be politicians, until it got so fucking bad that they realized someone had to do it, and that it had to be them.

      They're not looking for power. They're not looking for cushy lifetime jobs.

      Each and every one of them realized the awesome (in the real sense of the word) responsibility having the people of their districts and states put so much faith in them means.

      I saw it in Scott's face Monday night at a town hall in Holredge, where a 53 year old woman told her story about having half a kidney and being uninsured because she is uninsurable.

      Every one of them has these stories--and not just these three, but all of the candidates we have running who are doing it because they want to change the world.

      These are the people we need, for the next 8 years of a hopeful Obama administration, and for the two or three decades following.

      It's time to expand our thinking beyond Obama's campaign and to focus our efforts on all the other critical races out there.

      "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams.

      by Joan McCarter on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:16:23 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  When I came home today... (0+ / 0-)

      There was a Darcy sticker in my mail. What's that? "Pics or it didn't happen?" All right then...
       title=

      I'm a Darcy backer because she, like Bob Lord in Arizona, is one of those candidates that will really hurt them bad if we win. Very worth helping. Go Darcy!

      Every day's another chance to stick it to The Man. - dls.

      by The Raven on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 04:42:05 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  YES! (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    mcmom, TheUnknown285
    I love it when you talk like that!
  •  Not that I disagree with you (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    andrewj54

    And absolutely, let's give President Obama 100+ margins in the House and a filibuster proof Senate --

    But when we talk about something like movement progressives, I worry.

    Obviously, I support the agenda of the progressive movement - to the same extent movement conservatives support theirs.  

    Of course, I think we have the benefit of truly being "right" about a lot of basic issues -- from a progressive tax system to a woman's right to privacy in regards to her own health and so on...

    That said, how do we avoid becoming doctrinaire?  How do we avoid becoming non-thinking zombies, parroting party, party, party?  How do we avoid becoming liabilities when our chosen elected officials compromise when they should, even though we don't think they should.  How do we make sure we can always admit that there are such possible times?

    Cart before the horse and all - we ain't there yet, but I just hope it's something we think about after 19 more days of work... and maybe a few days of sleep :-)

    I guess everyone's got their own blog now.

    by zonk on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:01:39 PM PDT

    •  Give it about 40 years (4+ / 0-)

      Entropy forgives no one.

      All movements turn in to a racket.

      Right now, though, we have the wind at our backs. Let's do something with it.

      Ron Fournier is on the wreck list.

      by beatpanda on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:02:57 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  What I care about is the issues... (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      ssgbryan

      the Democratic Party is the vehicle for their enactment.

      You bet I will be mad when Obama slips (and he will) or sells us out on some issue or other. I won't shut up, and I think the way we have behaved since we took over Congress proves that we are not as sheepish as the wingnuts are. It would be incredibly false to say that we have been acting "party right or wrong" through the reign of Pelosi and Reid in Congress, in fact they have been blasted here far more often than defended or cheered.

      That's the spirit of progressives, and I have every confidence we will continue that under President Obama.

      "People place their hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution. They don't put their hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible." --J.R.

      by michael1104 on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:09:38 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  A massive win, huge majorities (0+ / 0-)

      Destroy the Repub Party, crush the so-called "conservatives," 64 seats in the Senate, 300 in the House. Add more in 2010.

      Then let Democrats do what comes naturally, divide and bicker, and soon enough we'll have a new party emerge from a faction of the Democrats. That way we'll see the two-party system restored --without one of them being batshit crazy and full of authoritarians.

    •  Kos is on a testosterone binge (0+ / 0-)

      he can't hear you.

      "No way, no how, no Palin war with Russia." --KariQ

      by andrewj54 on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 04:07:05 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Remember Bush Signed Away His Power (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Blackmamba1973

    George W. Bush signed away his power to facilitate transition.  

    19 days to go!!

    19 days to go!!

    Throw the bum out of office!

  •  Just put in another $100 to O2B nt (4+ / 0-)
  •  19 days, just 19 more days of giving it (2+ / 0-)

    everything you've got. Let's not throw it away now.
    19 day!

    John McCain "Beware the terrible simplifiers" Jacob Burckhardt, Historian

    by notquitedelilah on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:03:40 PM PDT

  •  Frank Kratovil (MD-1)! (4+ / 0-)

    This seat is open after the hardcore wingnuts decided Wayne Gilchrest (R) was not unhinged enough for them. Now they're running a wingnut named Harris from the Western shore.

    Frank Kratovil
    is a former prosecutor, and a candidate with a good head on the environment and children/education.

    Let's give Barack another vote he can count on in the House. BTW, Wayne Gilchrest has endorsed both Kratovil and Obama!

    I'm the plowman in the valley - with my face full of mud

    by labradog on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:04:34 PM PDT

  •  real wins would be TX, NE, OK, MS, GA (4+ / 0-)

    tear up the GOP Base in dixie and the southwest

    George Bush is Living proof of the axiom "Never send a boy to do a man's job" E -2.25 S -4.10

    by nathguy on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:04:37 PM PDT

    •  4 outta 5 ain't bad (0+ / 0-)

      Oklahoma - nope!

      Ain't
      Gonna
      Happen

      •  never say never. (0+ / 0-)

        George Bush is Living proof of the axiom "Never send a boy to do a man's job" E -2.25 S -4.10

        by nathguy on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:42:49 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Go for it! (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        nathguy

        Making a fight for it in Oklahoma will at the least position Andrew Rice for a race in 2010 against Coburn. But are we sure OK is lost this year? SUSA polls show Rice up 3 points and Inhofe down 3 points in September. There's still a big gap but that solid movement was before Wall Street's plunge got in the headlines and people began to get really scared. Now Obama has ramped up his national advertising, already appearing during NFL games and such, and Oklahomans have seen him in three debates. As the economy looks scarier and Obama looks less scary, the fundamentals of the race could change and voters could take in second good look at the Democrats, including Andrew Rice.

        Andrew Rice has a better shot than Scott Kleeb, who gets the Frontpage attention. FiveThirtyEight shows Noriega up against a 93% likelihood that the incumbent will win, Kleeb 98% and Rice 99%. But all these figures are obsolete against the rapidly shifting state of the economy and the mood of the electorate.

    •  MS, GA might happen (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      nathguy

      TX, OK will only come from Obama Tsunami, have to be like Reagan '84

      •  so make it happen (0+ / 0-)

        if GA and NC and FL go hard for Obama, that will
        totally dishearten the McCain GOTV efforts in the midwest.

        George Bush is Living proof of the axiom "Never send a boy to do a man's job" E -2.25 S -4.10

        by nathguy on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 01:43:24 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Invest America Send Money to Dem Candidate! (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    mcmom

    Invest in America send contribution to your favorite democratic candidate and give them the 60 seats!!

    Invest in America and send the republican a message.

    We will not tolerate them!

    Stand up and be proud!

    19 days to go!!

  •  An eight-point or greater margin... (0+ / 0-)

    ...in the popular vote would be gravy

    NO  NO  NO

    That's not nearly enough.
    Sixty Percent of the votes cast would still be fewer than 50% of those eligible - or registered.

    60% of the votes cast would create a mandate that even the centrist drifting Obama could not ignore.

    60% of the votes cast would also send a shot across the bow of the blue dogs.

    "...if I could change the future I would change the past instead." Danny Elfman

    by olo on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:07:08 PM PDT

    •  Eight Points? Historical Perspective? (0+ / 0-)

      Trivia question: when was the last time there was a presidential race, where there was no incumbent, and the margin was 8 points or more?

      I don't know the answer, but I've heard it's a pretty rare feat.  Can anyone verify?

  •  WA-Governor (7+ / 0-)

    Chris Gregoire needs all the help we can give her. We think she'll win, but we can't take chances. The race is is a statistical dead heat, and the right wing is trying to buy it.

    "Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835

    by Ivan on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:07:40 PM PDT

  •  We need to (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    RebeccaG, mcmom

    throw an anvil, an anchor and anything else we can find.  I want the Republican party in "roadkill" condition.  We can do better.  We can build a progressive majority.  We can elect Scott Kleeb, Larry LaRocco, and Rick Noriega to the Senate and then tell Joementum to stuff it. He can go caucus by himself.  McJoan posted a great diary about Scott Kleeb earlier today.  Show him some love. While you are doing that, show Larry and Rick some love too.  Let's get past sixty.  Let's get these guys elected.  

    "Patriotism is no more about signs or pins than religion is about reminding others how pious we think we are." -- Bob Schieffer

    by sable on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:08:37 PM PDT

  •  Yes. And then... (0+ / 0-)

    Wonderful post, man. I can only say yes. Yes. and Yes.

    And then... we go after the Blue Dogs.

    -- continuous ravings at: http://www.livejournal.com/users/burnunit

    by burnunit on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:09:47 PM PDT

  •  We want to beat them every election (0+ / 0-)

    Yes, obviously we want to defeat all Republicans. We want to do it every election. So what's the point.

  •  Right ON! (0+ / 0-)

    And this fight goes continues on after the election when it comes time to start making laws.  We need progressive laws that force states to adopt the best of the best in terms of registration and voting rights.  And little things like allowing felons that have served their time to prove they deserve their franchise back.  We need to break the back of K-Street and starve the GOP of the all their access to corrupt cash and bring corporations to heel... this is our government and our country, not their Banana Republic.  We need healthy public financing and access to the public airwaves.  We need laws that increase union organizing.   We need a DOJ that works to protect the American public, not RoveCo.

    We need mostly free markets and a tax policy the doesn't cripple the middle class, a humane health care system, a real energy policies that don't kill the planet and the best education system on the planet.  One that doesn't continue to turn out more uneducated ... well ... Republicans.  And most of all we have to fight corruption and evil in our own party.  We should have even less tolerance of corrupt Democrats that Republicans do.

    I'm not advocating a permanent Democratic majority, I'm just saying if we fight hard for the principles of progressiveism the Democratic majority will become self-sustaining.  

    The Democrats that brought us the New Deal got sloppy after their victories and allowed the country to fall under the spell of corporatism and we can't ever allow that mistake to happen again.  

  •  Himes is ahead in a recent poll (0+ / 0-)

    http://www.himesforcongress.com/...

    In the poll, conducted by SurveyUSA on Monday and Tuesday, Shays trailed his Democratic challenger, former investment banker Jim Himes, 48 percent to 45 percent.

    It's the constitution, stupid

    by CTMET on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:11:42 PM PDT

  •  Yo Kos! Great post! (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    dkosdan

    You guys are bringing the A game today.  Thanks!

    OBTW....were you at the Asheville rally?  I could've sworn I saw you in the press corps...

    And if you were...do you know the story behind the doves???

    "Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large. I contain multitudes!" Walt Whitman

    by Batensmack on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:11:52 PM PDT

  •  Nice work. (0+ / 0-)

    You just gave the RNC, the RSCC and the RCCC a roadmap for where to dump their resources for the remainder of the campaign.

    Yeesh.

    "When those who are accountable are right, they take the credit. When they're wrong, they take the heat. It's a fair exchange." - Lehman Bros ad ca. 1980s

    by Mehitabel9 on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:12:19 PM PDT

  •  Don't forget Jim Inhofe (0+ / 0-)

    Unfortunately, Inhofe has a 16 point lead over Andrew Rice. It shows just how red redstate Oklahoma is. McCain has a 26 point lead here. It is possible for Rice to defeat Inhofe. But we are running out of time. So suggestions to help turn the tide in his favor would be welcome.

    I hear how much Inhofe is despised outside this state, but I don't see much effort in that respect to help unseat that old troll. Maybe I'm missing something and if Democrats win big in other areas, defeating Inhofe becomes mute because he'll be even more neutered.

    Few senators voted with Bush more than McCain and Inhofe is one of them.

    "Never have so few taken so much from so many for so long."

    by londubh on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:13:07 PM PDT

    •  what do they get with more of the same? (0+ / 0-)

      do Bush no-bid contractors have a huge presence there, is it military base spending, homeland security spending, home of companies with rising rather than falling stock, a rural majority, shell shock from McVeigh?

      There must be a rational reason.

  •  We Need 60 Seats for Protection (0+ / 0-)

    We need to give 60 seats to the democrats to gain safety.  With 60 seats then congress can act on our behave and protect us.

    The republican will not be able to filibuster any protection democrats introduce to help the middleclass, the minorities, the black communities, the asian community, etc..

    With 60 seats the democratic congress can protect us and help enforce the law of the land to rain in these republican nut jobs!!

    19 days to go!!

  •  Mandate! (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Tomato Observer, Bulldawg

     The word for the next three weeks needs to be - - -

            M A N D A T E !

    "Don't be encumbered by history. Go off and do something wonderful." Bob Noyce

    by Arizona Mike on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:14:32 PM PDT

  •  Amen, Kos. I want these scumbags to be humiliated (3+ / 0-)

    I want McCain to lose AZ and go home in disgrace.

    I'm a white working class male, over 30, military veteran, small town gun owner, former Bush supporter, and I'm voting for Barack Obama.

    by InfiniteNether on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:15:40 PM PDT

  •  Democrats: Advancing by Leaps and Bounds (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Tomato Observer

    Democrats: Leaping Ahead

    By the way, I wrote a diary on Head Start today.

  •  "...aggressive language and action." (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Batensmack

    KOS: I realize there are people uncomfortable with aggressive language and action. That's the difference between liberal weenies and movement progressives.

    Most of us WELCOME THAT... the OPPORTUNISTIC F-WADS that comprise today's Republican Party absolutely DESERVE it.

    "I still think politics is about who's getting screwed and who's doing the screwing." -Molly Ivins

    by texaseditor on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:17:42 PM PDT

  •  Yes! Decapitate the leadership (0+ / 0-)

    Many here in KY cannot stand McConnell and his smarmy ways, but it's not gonna be easy:

    Lunsford had $1.24 million as of Sept. 30, according to his campaign finance report filed Wednesday with the Federal Election Commission.

    McConnell reported starting October with more than $5.7 million that he could tap.

    (Lexington Herald-Leader 10/16)

    Please consider helping Lunsford smack 'em down

  •  I would also suggest that Obama do one final (0+ / 0-)

    swing into WV, KY, TN, AR, and LA. I would have him go into those states, which voted for Clinton twice, to make his case.

  •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

    When you can say this:

    . "This isn't about who is most pure, but about taking the fight to the enemy and aggressively embracing progressivism, offering clear contrasts between us and them, and fighting fire with fire. There's no ambiguity about where I belong."

    then how can I believe that you really draw the line at legality, not to mention ethics.

    Thanks for an interesting few months.

  •  Make the republican party a political * (0+ / 0-)

    Whigs
    Do-nothings
    Republicans

    I was not lying. I said things that later on seemed to be untrue. Richard Nixon, discussing Watergate

    by roydoe on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:23:06 PM PDT

  •  Its important to get involved NOW (0+ / 0-)

    If there's spare time, make some calls on behalf of the campaigns. Help us raise money, come to a nearby district and volunteer-- we are so close to victory, but we need YOUR help to make it possible!

    -Neil
    Charlie Brown for Congress

    PS- Charlie just released his list of local leaders who have endorsed him in this race. It is important to note that 14 of those endorsements come from Republicans, and 10 from decline-to-state officials.

  •  Yawn. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Fatherflot

    Talk-tough, "are you with me or are you one of those wimps?" rhetoric generally has the opposite effect from the one intended.

    I do what I do (which has been a lot) based on what needs to be done, not out of fear that I'll be called a "liberal weenie" by anyone on my team or on the other side. Submitting willingly or involuntarily to such manipulation would really make me a wimp.

    John McCain: no health insurance for kids.

    by AlanF on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:23:51 PM PDT

  •  Kick 'em in the teeth, knock 'em down (0+ / 0-)

    ...and when they try to get up, kick 'em again harder.

    Never forget what these thugs have done to our country.

    Wars not make one great. - Yoda

    by Volvo Liberal on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:24:42 PM PDT

  •  Well said Kos (0+ / 0-)

    "I realize there are people uncomfortable with aggressive language and action. That's the difference between liberal weenies and movement progressives. Liberal weenies sit around thinking that "the truth" is enough for victory, and that if we simply explain to voters why Democrats are better, why, we can't possibly lose any elections! That's the crowd that wants to keep the "high ground" and doesn't want to go down in the gutters and fight the GOP where they live, lest we get a little muddied ourselves."

    Well said.

    Liberal weenies are exactly what cost us the 2004 election (didn't help that Kerry was a weenie too). A shame that a good chunk of members here can't see that.

  •  Liberal weenies. Tee hee, Kos! (0+ / 0-)

    Some of us remember when being a Liberal, being a Democrat could get you killed.....and it did.

    I hope it's safer now to show oneself as aggressive ..........

    ..........Maybe it even is good psychology that works against Republican bullies.

    ....There's room, though, for the Sherlock Holmes check and checkmate Plus A gentleman is never rude...unintentionally....way, too.

    Movement progressives realize that we must do everything necessary allowable under the law to win because elections have consequences. This isn't about who is most pure, but about taking the fight to the enemy and aggressively embracing progressivism, offering clear contrasts between us and them, and fighting fire with fire. There's no ambiguity about where I belong.

    So to my fellow movement progressives, embrace that killer instinct and let's finish the job.

    I'm in it for the long run, too. Kill them with kindness, convert them, win them over to our side, build Progressive institutions........I want us to have our own vast media empires!

    QUOTATIONS.

    "To knock a thing down, especially if it is cocked at an arrogant angle, is a deep delight to the blood."
           George Santayana (1863-1952), U.S. philosopher, poet. The Life of Reason, ch. 3, "Reason in Society" (1905-6).

    "Left-wing movements have tended to be unisex, and asexual in their imagery. Right-wing movements, however puritanical and repressive the realities they usher in, have an erotic surface. Certainly Nazism is "sexier" than communism."
           Susan Sontag (b. 1933), U.S. essayist. Under the Sign of Saturn, "Fascinating Fascism" (1980; first published 1974). This fact, Sontag parenthetically added, "is not to the Nazis' credit, but rather shows something of the nature and limits of the sexual imagination."

    The Columbia Dictionary of Quotations is licensed from Columbia University Press. Copyright © 1993, 1995 by Columbia University Press. All rights reserved.

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    by LNK on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:26:07 PM PDT

    •  How about Obama's way? (0+ / 0-)

      Isn't he showing how to be strong-willed, confident, powerful, effective, etc. without getting into the "gutter"?
      Does that make him a "liberal weenie"?

      Look, it takes all kinds to get things done, right?  Some people are more temperamentally suited to be street fighters, and god knows we need some folks like that to dish it back to the insane, hateful scumbags of the Right.  But we also need people who can work through finesse and coalition-building, like THE GUY WHO IS ABOUT TO DESTROY MCCAIN. Can we just admit that there are different roles for different types of people committed to the "movement"?

      And while we are getting all hot and bothered over militant righteousness, let's not forget that some of the most militant old Leftist streetfighters of the 60's turned into the David Horowitzes and Michael Savages of today.  Just beware how this kind of thinking and this kind of language can change you.

      Don't take my word for it, take George Orwell's.

      Dulce bellum inexpertis [War is sweet only to those who have no experience of it].

      by Fatherflot on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:40:09 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Crush Them!! Free Posters www.rabblerouzer.com (0+ / 0-)

    Go get 'em!!

  •  LET'S USHER IN THE ERA OF THE NEW PRO-MO (0+ / 0-)

    Let's usher in the era of the pro-mo (progressive movement). Kos, has it right. Let's shed the weak liberal skin and be the aggressors. Let's make sure that we not only win this election but keep the wingnut right in the minority for decades to come.  

    This is possible, considering that there is a new generation of voters who will vote in record numbers this year.  They identify with our political ideals by a 2 - 1 margin. Let's make sure that they continue to stayed fired up and that in 2010 and 2012 we increase our numbers and financial support.

    Again, let's usher in the new era of the NEW PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT!!!

  •  Huge Early Voting Turnout Today in NC (0+ / 0-)

    George Santayana: Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

    by Maaarrrk on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:29:08 PM PDT

  •  GOP group depicts Obama with watermelon (1+ / 0-)
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    Oct 16, 3:12 PM EDT

    GOP group depicts Obama with watermelon, ribs

    RIVERSIDE, Calif. (AP) -- A San Bernardino County Republican group has distributed a newsletter picturing Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama on a $10 bill adorned with a watermelon, ribs and a bucket of fried chicken.

    Linking Obama to demeaning racist stereotypes drew denunciations from various GOP officials after the illustration appeared in the October newsletter of the Chaffey Community Republican Women, Federated, the Riverside Press-Enterprise reported Thursday.

    Diane Fedele, president of the group, said she had no racist intent.

    "I never connected," she told the newspaper. "It was just food to me. It didn't mean anything else."

    The Obama campaign declined to comment, saying it does not address such attacks.

    The newsletter was sent to about 200 club members and associates last week by mail and e-mail. The club is a volunteer group that is not directly responsible to the state party, said California Republican Party press secretary Hector Barajas, who denounced the newsletter.

    Fedele said she had received the illustration in e-mails and decided to reprint it to poke fun at a remark by Obama that he doesn't look like other presidents.

    "It was strictly an attempt to point out the outrageousness of his statement. I really don't want to go into it any further," Fedele told the newspaper. "I absolutely apologize to anyone who was offended. That clearly wasn't my attempt."

    Sheila Raines of San Bernardino, a black member of the club, complained about the image to Fedele.

    "This is what keeps African-Americans from joining the Republican Party," she said. "I'm really hurt. I cried for 45 minutes."

    © 2008 The Associated Press.

    I was not lying. I said things that later on seemed to be untrue. Richard Nixon, discussing Watergate

    by roydoe on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:31:59 PM PDT

  •  Why think small? (0+ / 0-)

    Who says we can't take Tennessee and replace Lamar Alexander?

  •  Crushing their spirits, for me, would look like (0+ / 0-)

    electing Kleeb, too.

    All those map expanding victories, yes.  200+ EV margin, yes.

    And rip the heart right out of predictably red America.

    Johanns should be a target for all -- he's not just some GOP schmuck running for office, he's a god dammed Bush appointee who's been an active part of the problem and he's running for the Senate.  

    Donate to Kleeb!

    The fundamental business of the country... is on a sound and prosperous basis. Hoover, 1929 The fundamentals of our economy are strong. McCain, 2008

    by ogre on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:40:53 PM PDT

  •  Words from a Weenie.... (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    I love kos; he's one great guy, and I cannot imagine political life without him. He does not understand how to win an election, however.
    Fortunately Barak Obama does. Here is where they differ, and here is why Obama will be our next president:  Obama genuinely manifests respect for the Republican opposition. He talked with "Joe the Plumber" for five minutes; would McCain have talked to a similar Democrat for even ten seconds? Now, El Markos suggests we must crush the conservative spirit and really drive them into the ground. OK. Good luck. Tip: It ain't gonna happen. BushRepubliCon conservatism is a genetic disorder. It is a world view that quite a few people hold, and it is not subject to reason, nor in its political playing out - that is, in practice, in office, working it day-to-day - ever successful. Nocons are not, ever, in the long run successful because they are absent truth, they are missing a gene or a light bulb or an enzyme; some damn thing. Nobody really knows.
     YET, they are human beings and people with feelings, and we righteous progressives most often forget that; I think Kos has totally left any such notion behind. Sure, I want to win, and nothing would be sweeter than to kick KY's McConnell out of the Senate. I hope it happens, in spite of the fact the Democrat pretener to the KY senate seat is a bit of a horse's behind. [Medicine for profit - bad!]
     We are never going to break the spirit of or "kill" or "crush" neo-con Bushrepublicans. There are just too many of them. What we CAN do is come up with marvelous candidates like Obama who will give them to understand that he accepts their human nature, respects them, and then defeats them at the polls on merit and hard work. Not on some warlike crushing action -- that, in truth, only fires their limited imaginations, their ambition, further convinces them we are bad and they are good. If we approach those people the way Kos wants us to, they just dig in and are there forever. If we approach them the way Obama wants us to, we win!!!
      Mr Markos - I truly love and respect you and your work; you are marvelous and a treasure in the Democratic progressive stronghold. But you are, this time, way off base rhetorically and I beg you to consider the Obama model, study and understand it, and travel by its roadmap! See you at the Golden Gates to Pennsylvania Avenue in January!
    Cordially,
    JIMSantaFe

    •  How does one crush the eternal love of money? (0+ / 0-)

      The mainspring that drives the Republican Party = love of money without limits.

      You can only keep that kind of excess in check; you can never kill it.

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      by LNK on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:48:26 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  see my comment above (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
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      well said.  A little touchdown celebration now and then, a little macho pumping-up to rally the troops is OK, but let's not confuse it for effective political thinking.  It's the expression of a certain type of temperament in a highly emotional state and it's understandable, but it can become an intoxicant that hinders clear thinking and effective action.

      Dulce bellum inexpertis [War is sweet only to those who have no experience of it].

      by Fatherflot on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:48:55 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  exactly (0+ / 0-)

        I guess it's a question of knowing how to use your warriors, and knowing that everyone doesn't have to be one of them.

        Obama is a statesman, not a warrior.  Thank God.

        "No way, no how, no Palin war with Russia." --KariQ

        by andrewj54 on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 04:17:16 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  We see it differently then (0+ / 0-)

      It is a well-known fact that at this point in a campaign, the nominee for VP is supposed to be "the attack dog" (pun intended). The VP can fight hard and dirty and push the limit, so that the presidential candidate can remain presidential.

      Both Biden and Palin have assumed the mantle of that requirement.

      In a similar way, we partisan activists on the left are the troops who combat the right on the ground. We engage our neighbors, our co-workers, our relatives, and if necessary we rip up lawn signs, demoralize Redstaters, make fun of Freepers, Smurf polls, write letters to the editor, propagate memes, donate to our champions, canvass, phonebank, bring food and Staples gift cards to our local Obama HQs, toss anvils to our foes, and do whatever it takes to elect more and better Democrats.

      Weenies get to enjoy defeat and feel good about themselves. Warriors win elections.

      Every day's another chance to stick it to The Man. - dls.

      by The Raven on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 04:49:17 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  At the Al Smith Dinner Just Now..... (0+ / 0-)

        The Maddow show tonite was given over to live broadcasting of brief comic talks by McCain and Obama (among others) from the Al Smith Memorial Dinner at the Waldorf Astoria in NYC.  It was genuine comic relief, and it was simply marvelous.
          McCain was a new man - I actually liked him for 15-minutes. Sure, someone else wrote those highly amusing remarks for him, but he had rehearsed them and delivered them masterfully - good timing and he knew where in the room were the people he was joking with and looked up at them. He was hilarious. WHY isin't he this way on the campaign trail?  As for Barak Obama, he was also excellent -- his writing was not quite as good as McCain's but his delivery was fine, he had worked on it, and he was easier and more ebullient than I've ever seen him on the trail.
          So - why was McCain so good tonite as opposed to last night or otherwise? I had a friend sitting with me and his answer was:  "Easy, he's doing something he wants to do."  This is an in-joke that relates back to New Hampshire when McCain made a perfectly terrible speech and said a lot of dumb things (election night), and the same friend said to me, "It's a farewell address."
           In other words, his point is that McCain really does not want to run for president, he fell into the nomination sort of by default or accident, and now he has to carry it out to conclusion. He does seem old and miserable on the trail. At the Waldorf tonight he was ten years younger and having a fine time. He was very gracious to Obama and also very teasing and witty. Obama should get his writer. On the other hand, the best line belonged to Obama who said:  I always enjoy being at the Waldorf-Astoria; why, if you look out from the entrance you can see the Russian Tearoom." It took a moment to sink in, then the crowd went crazy.
           My god the Cardinal/Archbishop of New York - who is he? What a pig. He is just grossly obese; should be put in retirement. But, it's not my business so never mind :)
        JIM
        sfe

  •  Gallup poll down to +2??? (0+ / 0-)

    is this reason for concern???

  •  You've forgotten CO prop 48 (0+ / 0-)

    Proposition 48 would give personhood to a fertilized egg, which effectively outlaws IUDs and other forms of birth control that interfere with implantation -- because it would be considered murder.

    Please put this in the box above.  I can't believe it's not diaried every day -- it's the worst the radical right can give us.

    •  Amendment 48 currently failing (0+ / 0-)

      (Gentle correction; they're amendments here in Colorado, not propositions.) From a Denver Post article, 10/6/08:

      Of those surveyed, 48 percent opposed Amendment 48, 30 percent support it and 22 percent were undecided.

      And there are so damn many amendments on the ballot this year, undecided voters might lean heavier toward the "no" side out of exhaustion.

  •  Discouraged Repubs will vote for Paul and Barr (0+ / 0-)

    If it is clear on election day that McCain is out of it, many Republicans will cast a protest vote for Paul and Barr, enhancing Obama's margin and maybe pulling in Georgia & Montana.

  •  Markos on Youtube. (0+ / 0-)

    Fearless, he is...he is.

    How to take down Republicans:

    On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog.

    Media Reform Action Link http://stopbigmedia.com/

    by LNK on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:45:36 PM PDT

  •  Right on KOS - from an independant! (0+ / 0-)

    I frequently stress that I am politically 'independant' and not a progressive as I think there is much worth in the idea of a government that sticks to things it knows and can do well and stays out of things it doesn't or shouldn't. So this time it is interesting that I am just as angry about the GOP as the progressives are, and have been saying that 'we don't need to just beat these guys'; we need to crush their spine. Or, as I said to an acquintance who usually leans Republican, "sometimes you need to hit rock bottom before you can truly confront and heal your addiction, like 'Marcia Brady' becoming a crack whore before rehab really worked; I think the GOP is in exactly the same situation"
      Seemed to work.

    Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life." -Steve Jobs

    by MichiganChet on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:45:38 PM PDT

  •  KOS: why call us "movement" progressives? (1+ / 0-)
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    Markos, I agree with about 99% of this diary, but I strongly caution you about using the term "movement" progressives. My reasons are myriad for this. For instance, I don't want the negative connotation that the movement conservatives have because they subverted truth and intellectual honesty for Machiavellian goals. I also don't want us to make the same mistakes as movement conservatives have. IMO it will be harder to do that since most of us are not greedy or part of the K St. lobbyist culture so we really want to change things for the better. We must proceed to do this in a way that convinces others that things  actually will be better because we actually care about things like transparency.

    Nonetheless, we can't ask for every progressive wish list at once. I'm just going to mention one idea. Others can offer more comprehensive plans. I just think this one makes a lot of sense and would help fill the treasury.

    I resent the fact that our income that is taxed for Social Security is capped at around $109K. Income is income. It is patently unfair that Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are only taxed on the first $109K of their income for SS, but someone who makes say $104K or $2K a week would be taxed on their entire earning. IMO this is more important than raising the highest tax bracket from 36% to 39%.

  •  Thank you, Kos!! (0+ / 0-)

    These posts have been inspiring. This is the attitude that brought me to Daily Kos six years ago and the same spirit that caused many of us to rally behind Howard Dean -- at a time when the Democratic Party desperately needed it. It's been a long time coming, but it looks we're about to turn the corner in this epic battle.

    Our Republic and its Press will rise or fall together -Joseph Pulitzer

    by ryeland on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:48:04 PM PDT

  •  remember, the UNCONTESTED repetition from (0+ / 0-)

    the local talk radio blowhards blasting from the local limbaugh stations can undo the work of thousands of local activist citizens. listen call complain boycott pickett the local stations and their local sponsors when they lie about progressive causes and candidates.

    ignoring the talk radio monopoly continues to be the biggest political blunder in decades

    by certainot on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:49:08 PM PDT

  •  Join your DEM hotline (0+ / 0-)

    At HQ, I'm going to answer phone questions for a 4-hour shift from confused voters. After I took the training I wanted to curse all laws and reg's that have turned voting into something onerous like doing your taxes.

    But I did vote for Obama - Biden just now on my mail-in ballot! Now I must open my thick booklet on how to help the people in my state vote. Geeze. This is sweet and sour.

    Are you still registered to vote? http://www.votersunite.org/info/RegInfo.asp

    by mrobinson on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:49:18 PM PDT

  •  Slight Emendation on the Georgia 2002 Election (0+ / 0-)

    You are entirely correct that Saxby Chambliss conducted a shameless campaign of fear-mongering and smear against American hero Max Cleland.

    His Evilness, Chambliss, is doing the same thing now in Georgia (I live in the Peach Pit State) against Jim Martin-D.

    In the currect spot, the deep voice intones: "And Jim Martin was fired for failing to do his job" while on the screen you read the following:

    Jim Martin left office after children died.

    Wish I was joking.

    Regarding the 2002 election, there is now credible testimony that the election was very possibly rigged by Diebold employees. One of the lasest whistleblowers is Stephen Spoonamore. From Mark Crispin Miller's blog:

    Stephen Spoonamore, a cyber security expert and lifelong Republican, has also stated that he believes that the 2002 Georgia Senate race was rigged in favor of Chambliss.   "If you look at the case of Saxby Chambliss, that's ridiculous. The man was not elected. He lost that election by five points. Max Cleland won. They flipped the votes, clear as day," Spoon said in another exclusive interview posted on YouTube by VR at http://www.youtube.com/...

  •  Simply Inspirational! (0+ / 0-)

    Markos, your passion is incredibly inspiring. There's an energy, a passionate urgency to your voice that inspires the liberal base in ways similar to Obama...Thank you for being you.

  •  No weanies in our mcfamily! (0+ / 0-)

    I still call myself a liberal, however, as liberal is what I was, am, and forever will be, politically and personal.

    I think, therefore I am. I think.

    by mcmom on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:52:27 PM PDT

  •  "Joe the Plumber" don't have a licence! (0+ / 0-)

    This is so typical of republicans, they blame everyone for their screw-ups.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/...

    "Joe the Plumber" was lying on national TV.

    1.  Joe (Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, 34 of Toledo, Ohio) does not have a licence to practice plumbing in Ohio, no record of him applying for a licence to becoming a plumber in entire state of Ohio.
    1.  According to his divorce papers he only made $40,000 per year in 2006.
    1.  The Business Newell Plumbing for whom Joe works only made $100,000, with taxable income even less.

    This is what I mean by republicans living in a world of fiction.

  •  I'm with you on FL 18 and 25... (0+ / 0-)

    But sadly, as much as Lincoln Diaz Balart is a Bush, party-line toting Republican with a horrible voting record, as a Democrat and a Cuban, I don't want Raul Martinez representing my district.

    He has a criminal past and an embarassing temper that has been on diplay in public. I want more Dems in the house, but I also want better Dems than Martinez. And I want better Cubans than Martinez. Wish I could vote in Joe Garcia's district.

    Martinez, mark my words, would be an embarrassment sooner or later and for me it would be short-sighted to vote him in now. Better to wait 2 years and hope a much better Dem runs and finally takes the district from LDB.

    On every other count, hell yeah! Break their spirits.

  •  Going to Gore-Merkley fundraiser, Oct 24 (1+ / 0-)
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    Al Gore will speak in Portland, at a fundraiser for OR Senate candidate Jeff Merkley, on Friday, October 24.

    My fifteen year-old son and I are going, and he is so excited to see his hero!  I just got my two tickets online here.

    See you there on the 24th!

    Sweetness in the air and justice on the wind. Laughter in the house where the mourners have been. (Bob Franke)

    by rsmpdx on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:56:53 PM PDT

  •  Here's hoping (0+ / 0-)

    Dr. Steven Blythe (D-Progressive) takes Dave the Squid (R-Snotbag) Weldon's old House seat in FL-15, v. Bill Posey (R-Retread), now squatting in the FL Senate.
    It would give the Valley of the War Profiteers pause.

    OBAMA-BIDEN LANDSLIDE!
    McPalinCain - In yer gutz, you know they're nutz!

    by OleHippieChick on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:58:05 PM PDT

  •  Joe is blaming Mexicans (0+ / 0-)

    Joe is blaming Mexican.

    Now, was it the Mexicans that made him not apply for a plumbing licence?

    Was it the Mexicans that made him tell a big F'n lie on National TV?

    Was it the Mexicans that made Joe fabricate funny numbers for a fictional business?

    You have to watch this guy just lie and lie and lie and live in a world of fiction!!

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/...

  •  Because killer instinct (0+ / 0-)

    is a terrible thing to waste.

    That's actually my tagline for my business:

    http://www.utteracting.com/

    "No way, no how, no Palin war with Russia." --KariQ

    by andrewj54 on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 04:01:58 PM PDT

  •  How utterly insulting, KOS. (0+ / 0-)

    "I realize there are people uncomfortable with aggressive language and action. That's the difference between liberal weenies and movement progressives. Liberal weenies sit around thinking that "the truth" is enough for victory, and that if we simply explain to voters why Democrats are better, why, we can't possibly lose any elections! That's the crowd that wants to keep the "high ground" and doesn't want to go down in the gutters and fight the GOP where they live, lest we get a little muddied ourselves."

    Why don't you just call anyone who disagrees with your tone a faggot? Or a pussy? If you want to wallow in the mud like the republicans, don't hold back, man. Attack us in the same way as republicans attack liberals. You're falling into the same trap that they have - us and them.

    Seriously, Kos. "Break their backs!" is just fuel for the right. Is Obama a "weenie" because he refuses to stoop to that level? Maybe you could use a lesson in maturity from our candidate.

    •  I was going to pull out that same paragraph but (0+ / 0-)

      for a different reason.

      To me that paragraph apologizes for doing what is best for the country.

      There is no need to apologize.

      You're confusing being like Republicans with fighting to win.  If we had been fighting aggressively all along, maybe we wouldn't have had eight years of garbage.

      •  There's a difference (0+ / 0-)

        There is a difference between aggressive fighting, and using violent imagery while preaching to the choir in order to get a point across. "Break their backs", "Crush their spirits" - that all smacks of divisiveness in this country.

        Don't get me wrong - if we win, and win big this election cycle, I'll enjoy my measure of schadenfreude, but calling people weenies because they won't jump on board the new Markos hate train is insulting.  

  •  In a strctly metaphorical sense... (0+ / 0-)

    Gen. Decker: We have to strike now, sir! Annihilate! Kill! Kill! Kill! (note to Bill O'Reilly and other Reich Wing loons - this is not a call to violence or murder).

    Turn this into a total route. Get them on the run and keep them running. No party is as deserving to crash and burn as the GOP.

  •  Unnecessary division of the (0+ / 0-)

    broader progressive movement will only hurt the 'movement progressives' subgroup in the end. After all you need the votes of all those 'liberal weenies'. You can make a distinction between different types of progressives based on what tactics they prefer, but to call them names will only alienate a particular subgroup.

    Besides these kinds of distinctions are vague anyway. I believe in a high road to a certain extent, but fighting fire with fire is the proper course of action sometimes.

  •  Their most important voices (4+ / 0-)

    They are retrenching around their most important voices.

    Here's my nomination for the "important voices" category:  Steve King (R-IA5).  "If Obama wins, Al Qaeda will be dancing in the streets."  That Steve King.  He does not even have a campaign organization in his western Iowa district.  Obama is bombarding Council Bluffs with his Omaha ads.  SUSA has Obama up even in NW Iowa.  This is a an attractive target, I'm saying.

    Rob Hubler is not on the O2B list, but he should be.  He's a great progressive, and Steve King is one of the most ignorant bigots in Congress.

  •  In Mississippi And Grant Park, (0+ / 0-)

    and in a score of war plant gate brawls and gassed demonstrations, I earned my liberal "weeniehood" fair and square. Progressives just don't have the sand to wear a proud label ..... Republicans skeered 'em off'n it.

    This is MY dunghill, and I'll either keep them off it or be buried in it.

    by IrascibleFachna on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 04:10:20 PM PDT

  •  Lou Dobbs on CNN like Joe the Plumber (0+ / 0-)

    Lou Dobbs like the big fat lying idiot with no plumbing licence, "Joe the Plumber".

    Lou, hire him to plumb your house.  

    From all the fiction, I have heard from "Joe the Plumber", good luck Lou!  

    I hope you carry flood insurance after this guy gets done with your house!!

  •  158 for McCain at the most (0+ / 0-)

    Dole got 159 in '96, I'd love for McCain to get an even bigger drubbing

  •  The weenies are on the other side (5+ / 0-)

    Why won't Republicans debate their opponents?  Because they're chicken.

  •  kos, can I add NY-13 (0+ / 0-)
    to the list.  This is the last Republican district in NYC, encompassing Staten Island and parts of Brooklyn.  Staten Island has been the Orange County of New York.  Defeating the GOP here would also be demoralizing.

    Fox News -- All Wright, Ayers, and Rezko, all the time!

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 04:24:31 PM PDT

  •  I've been wondering what the paradigm shift would (0+ / 0-)

    be here at DKos.  I mean, we've existed entirely under the Bush/Cheney regime.  We've been attacking the status quo for so long, that the transition to governing, and retaining power, may be bumpy.

    Kos sounds ready for this.  He sounds like he's ready to lead the charge.  And we've got a community and a LOT of connections and resources saved up for this.

    In the immortal words of Bluto..........................
    LET'S DO ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room! - President Merkin Muffley

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 04:27:17 PM PDT

  •  Brilliant post (0+ / 0-)

    Some very stirring language.

  •  The Senate is Key (0+ / 0-)

    Not to be-little the importance of Obama-Biden taking the Executive Branch or increasing our majority in the House, but the Senate 60 seat mark is key to delivering a knock out blow to the Republicans.  Falling short will leaveour progressive agenda subject to Republican filibuster power.  That one Republican Senator can be the difference in whether we get our agenda implemented or wallow in stallmate.  The detrimental effects will go beyond the next 2 to 4 years, because if we can't get our agenda through and show the American people we can improve their lives, we willface their rath in thepolls no matter how much we beg them for another chance.

    Kos is right.  And as Obama says: "Our moment is NOW!"  We need to make it so the Republicans can't play the role of spoiler over the next 4 years.

    "Some men see things as they are and ask, 'Why?' I dream of things that never were and ask, 'Why not?"

    by Doctor Who on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 04:36:39 PM PDT

  •  Too bad we can't have firing squads.... (0+ / 0-)

    ...when this is over, 'coz that's what these mother#*&kers deserve. (I know, I know. We aren't like that in America, and that's what separates us from the rest. But I swannee, it'd be the best way to make sure these foul creatures never rise again).

  •  I don't disagree (0+ / 0-)

    with you statement about fighting but I am a liberal and I believe in fighting harder than anyone out there.  And there are plenty of progressive weenies who with their pragmatic policies are getting us all good and screwed too.

    Most of the liberals I know are fighters and fire breathing so I don't know what weak-kneed assholes you've encountered but if it was up to me, I would of have a bully club out a long time ago in these races. I believe in using truth as both a shield and a sword.  

    I think you have confused real Liberals with DLC freaks you like us to take it raw and become more like the other than fight.  If it would up to me, we would exorcise those fools out of the party a long time ago.  

    So I'll assume you not talking about me when referring to Liberals because it's bad enough having to deal with the right vilifying what I am and to have to come on this site and hear it again is a pain in the ass.

  •  Another good example: (0+ / 0-)

    Alabama's Second.

    A district that has been blood red ever since the days of Civil Rights now being seriously contested by the Mayor of Montgomery, Bobby Bright.  He is definitely not my favorite Democrat ideologically, but I'm a "take what you can get in relation to the district" kind of person.

  •  debbie cook (0+ / 0-)

    Kos, you have to add CA-46 to this list.  Internal Republican polls are showing this race inside the margin of error with 19 days to go.  Dana Rohrabacher is batshit crazy, and Debbie Cook is a great progressive Democrat.  The shift on the ideological spectrum in this race would be off the charts.  And it's in the unassailable Republican stronghold of Orange County.

    Draft Debbie Cook for O2B!

    D-Day, the newest blog on the internet (at the moment of its launch)

    by dday on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 05:23:19 PM PDT

  •  359 is good enough (0+ / 0-)

    That would make it 2-to-1.

    John McCain voted against health care for kids.

    by Land of Enchantment on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 05:23:29 PM PDT

  •  That is (0+ / 0-)

    how political activism works.  Through action and involvement.

  •  All of that is great (0+ / 0-)

    but we don't even have a candidate running against Peter King in a NY congressional district (NY-03).  Our leaders failed to recruit a candidate because they simply assumed that we couldn't win.  If you don't challenge then you can't win.  

    "War is a cowardly escape from the problems of peace." - Thomas Mann

    by Tom Paul on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 06:54:54 PM PDT

  •  Josh Segall - AL-03 (1+ / 0-)
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    lonelylefty

    Please please take a look at this race. We would have won Alabama 03 in 2002 had not the DCCC pulled out and the airways went black for the last two weeks.

    We have voter registration, AA turnout and an exciting young candidate in our corner.

    This should be on the hit em where it hurts list. To take three seats in Alabama and turn the tide (pun intended) 4-3 in a U.S. House delegation would be phenomenal.

    Act Blue page

  •  "Everything... under the law"? Sounds republican (0+ / 0-)

    Movement progressives realize that we must do everything necessary allowable under the law to win because elections have consequences.

    I'm all for winning, but not using "everything allowable under the law".  Lying is legal; so are character attacks, pandering, deployment of split-issue ballot measures (like gay marriage), rank hypocracy, and many other bad things.

    Ethical behavior is important. Even more important is winning because voters understand and agree with your polices and ideologies.. not because they are scared or ignorant or misled or greedy.

    Just my 0.02... let's keep an eye on WHY we think we're the good guys...

  •  We don't need that..... (0+ / 0-)

    You sound like the worst in the Republican party.
    As Obama said when speaking to a crowd who started to get nasty "we don't need that"....  

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