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Watch Lauren Ingraham's "voter fraud" lies get absolutely debunked by John Flannery, a great legal mind:

Ingraham isn't stupid. She clerked for Justice Thomas. She knows the difference between voter registration fraud and voter fraud. But she willfully is blind to any logic or sense of integrity as she spews forth GOP lies, without any regard to truth. In other words, she clearly demonstrates in this clip why she is so qualified to work at FOX "News".

Ingraham, like others looking to set up some excuse for a possible McCain defeat other than the failure of conservatism, claims that there are 200,000 "questionable ballots" in Ohio (there are 200,000 names which do not match exactly with government databases). I can also claim that I look like Angelina Jolie. It ain't gonna be true.

Just because your name doesn't match up letter to letter to massive government databases does not mean that you are attempting to perpetrate a fraud or that your ballot is "questionable."  It means that along the way in the registration process, someone screwed up.  Either the handwriting on the registration form was sloppy, or the government employee keying the name in had a slip of the finger. In either scenario, it's carelessness, not a criminal mind that is the root of the problem.

Mary Pat Flaherty reports in the Washington Post today that the glitches are random and widespread:

It is impossible to know how many voters are affected nationwide. There are no reports of large-scale problems in Virginia, Maryland or the District, but the trouble is cropping up in many states.

In Alabama, scores of voters are being labeled as convicted felons on the basis of incorrect lists.

Michigan must restore thousands of names it illegally removed from voter rolls over residency questions, a judge ruled this week.

Tens of thousands of voters could be affected in Wisconsin. Officials there admit that their database is wrong one out of five times when it flags voters, sometimes for data discrepancies as small as a middle initial or a typo in a birth date. When the six members of the state elections board -- all retired judges -- ran their registrations through the system, four were incorrectly rejected because of mismatches.

The widespread nature of the problem is exactly why the GOP is clinging so tightly to this voter suppression tactic.

Sure, Republicans get caught up in the problem as well (see Exhibit A, Joe "Joseph Wurzelbacher" Worzelbacher). But note the trick here.  The GOP in Ohio didn't ask for all name mismatches to be crosschecked and challenged.  No, the Ohio GOP merely insisted only that those who registered since January 1, 2008 be targeted. And the numbers are clear:  by vast margins, new voters who registered this year live in highly Democratic areas.

The tactic is both ugly and unfair, which, of course, makes it a perfect lie to be spewed forth on Fox News, 24/7.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 09:45 AM PDT.

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  •  Conservatism is on the ropes. (7+ / 0-)

    Conservatives will say or do anything to protect the precious Conservative brand.  Or what is left of it.

    "There are no more battleground states. Just battle won or battle winning!" Me

    by givemhellHarryR on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 09:47:38 AM PDT

  •  Anything to push the narrative .. (8+ / 0-)

    anything.

    2008, the Year the Republican Party dissolved into a puddle of goo

    by shpilk on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 09:48:46 AM PDT

  •  The only solution (18+ / 0-)

    is to make sure we fix it when Democrats get elected. Bring a shovel (to clean up after the elephants leave town.)

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson

    by ezdidit on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 09:48:52 AM PDT

  •  The Problem with the ACORN smears (22+ / 0-)

    is that they can be debunked in 30 seconds and the Right needs the lie not to be debunked at all. If this were 2004, or 2000, they might have gotten all the way to election day without a serious debunking being allowed on TV.

    Sadly, CNN did exactly what the Right wanted for days. Just repeating "ACORN" evil, try steal election. BAAAAD. Like Frankenstein's monster in an old movie.

    Lou Dobbs has been particularly odious on covering ACORN.

    You know its going badly for wingnuts when they denounce the Politico as liberally biased.

    by LeftHandedMan on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 09:49:10 AM PDT

  •  Cue Greg Palast (6+ / 0-)

    Too bad his reporting of voter purges and suppression in Florida in 2000 didn't gain more attention.

    There was a piece on PBS NewsHour last night about voter registration problems in New Mexico, and it didn't mention this side of the picture at all.  Even on such a "liberal media" bastion.

    I just don't get why this story can never get any traction.

    •  You know what scares me? I'm starting to think (12+ / 0-)

      that Americans are almost convinced we can't do anything right anymore---which is at the root of why the citizenry isn't apoplectic about how stupid this really is.

      Does anyone seriously believe that the United States couldn't fix voter registration if we tried?

      It has always been in Republicans best interests to keep us stupid, and keep our guvmint' looking even stupider. The fact is, it EMBARRASSING to any first world nation to be even talking about something so easily fixed.

    •  Too bad also that Palast (6+ / 0-)
      started adopting a hysterical "every allegation is 100% true" tone to his reporting that has almost completely discredited it. I just delete his emails now. Sad. I used to really respect him. He's Exhibit A for why we cannot go into half-cocked overdrive just because someone somewhere reports that something MIGHT have happened.

      We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14: http://www.oneill08.com/

      by anastasia p on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 09:57:34 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Yes (2+ / 0-)
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        AaronInSanDiego, Lava20

        I was so frustrated that no one was paying attention to his research & reporting back then, and I sought out his work.  He has gone further into hyperbole, I fear.  I don't read him much now, either.

        But to be charitable, I can understand how he might have lost it a bit after being ignored and seeing what's happened in the past 8 years.  I've been over the edge myself on more than one occasion!

  •  "If Republicans were benefitting" (9+ / 0-)

    "you and the NYT would be all over this."

    But let's face it, Laura: you wouldn't.

    Fox News at its finest: skip the research investigation, and move straight into outrage.

  •  I'm "questionable" (15+ / 0-)

    My street name is misspelled on my driver's license, and it's correct on my voter registration. I can't wait to commit some fraud on Nov. 4.  

  •  I saw on the news last night that the GOP (4+ / 0-)

    found a Plaintiff and refiled their lawsuit in the Ohio Supreme Court claiming that the registrations would cause fake votes which would "dilute" the real votes. It's a really stupid argument. The Sec. of State hadn't responded when I saw the story.

    But didn't the Ohio Supreme Court side with Brunner earlier?

    Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
    ~~ Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by Muzikal203 on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 09:52:07 AM PDT

  •  The kool-aid is being handed out (7+ / 0-)

    in record numbers.  The sad part is that these people have had their "messiah" in power for 8 years and after all Bush has done, they fear a Democratic WHite House.  My god, how much more damage could Bush do (rhetorical question)?  It's frightning to see the lengths they will go too to win this thing.  I mean, they would destroy this country to stay in power.  They would undermine democrazy to stay in power.  Shame on them.

    "He's a warped, frustrated old man". ~ It's a Wonderful Life

    by lostinamerica2711 on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 09:52:49 AM PDT

  •  Republicans Conflating Clerical Errors (4+ / 0-)

    and other inherent difficulties that impede complete accuracy with criminal abuse of the voting registration records.

    I diaried about the perils of maintaining reliable and accurate voter rolls just prior to the Republicans stinking up the election with their contrived concern trolling actions, which Kossacks can read here:

    Thousands of Secret Voter Purges in 2008.

    They burn our children in their wars and grow rich beyond the dreams of avarice.

    by Limelite on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 09:53:08 AM PDT

  •  Why the hell did she even have him on? (9+ / 0-)

    She wasn't going to let him talk.

    She is such a shill.  In Philadelphia, 1700 rejected ballots out of 85,000.

    If people who were registered by ACORN are denied the right to vote, they should march on the Supreme Court and occupy that building until democracy is returned to America.

    Republicans cannot admit that the Democrats have legally registered more people this year.

    In Maryland, the percentage of registered democrats as a percentage of the population went up nearly 10%.  And Laura Ingraham would say these are all fraudulent.

    Fox New should have its broadcasting license pulled.  When does that campaign start?

    John McCain's vision: Having your own steamgrate to sleep on between shifts on your two jobs.

    by captainlaser on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 09:53:49 AM PDT

    •  Rejected BALLOTS? (3+ / 0-)
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      Clem Yeobright, captainlaser, Lava20
      Can you clarify what that means? Were people turned down and not given ballots? Were ballots that were voted thrown out for some reason? Or are you referring to registration forms altogether? I'm confused here.

      We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14: http://www.oneill08.com/

      by anastasia p on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:04:26 AM PDT

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      •  Sorry, registrations (3+ / 0-)

        according to Philly Enquirer, ACORN has registered 250,000 over the last few years.  This year it is 80+k and only 1700 are rejected.

        That is less than 3%.  If you have registered voters, you'll know that a 5% error rate is pretty good.

        Sorry about the mistake above, I'm typing too fast.

        John McCain's vision: Having your own steamgrate to sleep on between shifts on your two jobs.

        by captainlaser on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:12:04 AM PDT

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    •  Exactly! (0+ / 0-)

      All she did was spew forth the newest Republican talking point about "tears in the fabric of democracy."  They look more deparate day by day.

      She hurt my head with her anger.

  •  Real fraud is right here .. and you'll never (7+ / 0-)

    hear about it on the corp media  ..

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    the Los Angeles Times printed a story entitled
    Voters contend they were duped into registering as Republicans.

       Dozens of newly minted Republican voters say they were duped into joining the party by a GOP-hired contractor with a trail of fraud complaints stretching across the country.

       Voters contacted by The Times said they were tricked into switching parties while signing what they believed were petitions for tougher penalties against child molesters. Some said they were told that they had to become Republicans to sign the petition, contrary to California initiative law. Others had no idea their registration was being changed.

    2008, the Year the Republican Party dissolved into a puddle of goo

    by shpilk on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 09:54:26 AM PDT

    •  Other than the LA Times piece, this has nearly (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Brooke In Seattle, Lava20, Floande

      ZERO penetration into any other media, at all.

      Here's the Google news agreggator results for a search of 'YPM', the name of the Rethug organization that duped these people  ..

      http://news.google.com/...

      *** crickets ***

      The corporate media is complicit in lies about the nature of truth in this country, and Congress needs to address this as soon as they take power in 09.

      2008, the Year the Republican Party dissolved into a puddle of goo

      by shpilk on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 09:57:23 AM PDT

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    •  Additional information (2+ / 0-)
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      Clem Yeobright, Lava20

      http://www.californiachronicle.com/...

      The 'Young Political Majors' is just one of many small seed Republican driven organizations running wholly criminal operations in this country.

      No doubt, there are a number of these small 'advocacy groups' operating throughout the country.

      They must be located, the perpetrators held accountable and jailed.

      We have got a lot of cleaning up to do: the filth started at the very top in NH [phonegate 2002], and the Executive Director of the Republican Party of the State of NH went to jail.

      The Republican Party must be fully investigated  nationally, and it's operatives held responsible for all the crimes they have committed.

      Perhaps the Libertarians or something can start a new Party. The Republican Party is clearly guilty of massive fraud, from the very top to the very bottom, and must be wiped from existence.

      2008, the Year the Republican Party dissolved into a puddle of goo

      by shpilk on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:05:08 AM PDT

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  •  And in Ohio,m they won't let go (3+ / 0-)
    Despite a defeat in the US Supreme Court over their voter suppression tactics, the GOP is now going back to the 100% republican Ohio Supreme Court with a NEW argument, hoping to put a crushing burden on elections officials TWO WEEKS before the electionand create inherent inquality in early voters, given the huge number who have already voted, to ssay nothing of logjams at the polls , angry voters and possibly delayed results. Their lawyer is a guy who worked on campaign for some of these "justices." It's beyond insulting. The worst of it is that papers like Cleveland's Plainly Republican (Plain Dealer) will undoubtedly frame this as "Well, the Republicans just want to make sure no one cheats and aren't they diligent iand caring n pursuing this." This is BULLSHIT of the highest order. the number of verified VITER fraud cases in Oiho in the last DECADE is in the single digits. These people are beneath contempt.

    We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14: http://www.oneill08.com/

    by anastasia p on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 09:54:38 AM PDT

    •  I still haven't found (4+ / 0-)

      how this case went directly to the OH Supreme Court -- is it the court of first review for election issues?  If briefs are due on Oct. 24, that means a hearing can't be held until the 27th at the earliest.  It is rare for a Supreme Court to rule from the bench right after oral argument.  Ergo, a ruling will come down on the 28th at the earliest, meaning one week before Nov. 4.  I think there will be extreme outrage if they rule for the repugs.

  •  Flannery did well. Ingraham high heat, low light (4+ / 0-)
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    larryrant, Clem Yeobright, KenBee, Lava20

    so debunking her is especially hard to do in that brain-frying environment.  He missed some minor points here and there, but did a very effective job.  Fox probably wishes they hadn't had that segment on.

  •  As Bill Maher says - (5+ / 0-)

    It's the Republicans who know better, but say it anyway (i.e. John Fund, Steve Moore, Michael Steele, et.al.) that make the Reublicans Repugnant.

    Auntie Em: Hate you. Hate Kansas. Taking the dog. Dorothy

    by haremoor on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 09:55:11 AM PDT

  •  That was awful (7+ / 0-)

    What the hell is a guest supposed to do if the Ingraham TALKS OVER the guest? Should they walk out? Having the facts meant nothing in the presence of her steamrolling empty-headed aggression.

    McCain insisted [no union member] would [pick lettuce for $50/hour] for a complete season. "You can't do it, my friends."

    by grrr on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 09:55:13 AM PDT

    •  I agree it is obviously her tactic, I actually (4+ / 0-)

      thought Flannery could have done better. He never once corrected her when she kept saying voter fraud instead of registration fraud, and he should have demanded the right to finish his answer without interruption.

       After the election we need to find a way to further discredit Fox news in a more organized way. It seems to me their obvious bias is more obvious now than ever and we can't discount the posssibility that not all Fox viewers are die hard conservatives and beyond hope. Some people I think are watching Fox news without realizing how misleading they are.

      We have a lot of power here, why can't we take these guys down a few pegs.

      "The fundamentals of my economy are strong" ...John McCain

      by polticoscott on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:00:57 AM PDT

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    •  "steam-rolling empty-headed aggression"!!! n/t (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Lava20

      "We must become the change we want to see." -Gandhi    PublicChristian.com

      by larryrant on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:01:48 AM PDT

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    •  No. (0+ / 0-)

      But he should, at a minimum, insist that she give him the chance to actually answer the questions. That way, at a minimum, her filibustering will make her look bad. As it was, this interview made Flannery look terrible.

  •  Jesus the racism is astounding. (6+ / 0-)

    ROLL THE B-ROLL OF BLACK ACORN MEMBERS SHOUTING!

    Yes, Santa Claus, there is a Virginia. And it's going Democratic.

    by Anarchofascist on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 09:55:49 AM PDT

  •  My first and last name were switched (5+ / 0-)
    So I guess I'm going to jail for voter fraud.
  •  I'd definitely be tossed (6+ / 0-)

    if I had to have names match a government database.  I have used my middle name since birth.  My first and middle names are on my SS card and passport.  My tax returns consistently reflect first name and middle initial.  My driver's license reflects only my middle name.  I registered to vote under both first and middle names, yet, when I received confirmation, only my first name appears.

    Thankfully, I vote in a non-stoopid, un american blue state and have never had a problem.

  •  What a joke. But it plays, I guess. (3+ / 0-)
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    larryrant, Lava20, Floande

    It's just one more bit of evidence that all parts of our education system is fucked up. If Mickey Mouse doesn't show up at the polls, then what's the problem?

    Florida governor Charlie Crist, and the winger Supreme Court doesn't see a problem with "voter fraud" nonsense, why should anyone else?

    "Half of the American people never read a newspaper. Half never vote for President. One hopes it is the same half." - Gore Vidal

    by sapper on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 09:56:46 AM PDT

  •  I wish (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    alou73, Brooke In Seattle, Lava20

    when Ingraham had asked "Is requiring a driver's license voter suppression?", he had replied with the example of the non-driving nuns who were turned away from the polls in Indiana.

    Reality is just a convenient measure of complexity. -- Alvy Ray Smith

    by John Q on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 09:56:55 AM PDT

  •  They know they can't win anything if (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Friend of the court, Lava20

    a majority of people actually get out and vote.

    Americans overwhelmingly side with progressive ideals.

    The GOP should be the third party and elections coming down to the Greens v. the Dems. If people only really grasped what was in their best interest.

    McCain, Republican Party, Palin = Captain, Sinking Ship, Anchor.

    by Pescadero Bill on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 09:57:02 AM PDT

  •  I'm sorry, but how can she be "debunked" (10+ / 0-)

    when the poor guy can't even get a word in edgewise?

    The good guys won nothing on this one.  The harpy just shouted Flannery down, is all.

    That was six minutes of my life I'll never get back.  Thanks for nothing.

    "When those who are accountable are right, they take the credit. When they're wrong, they take the heat. It's a fair exchange." - Lehman Bros ad ca. 1980s

    by Mehitabel9 on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 09:57:13 AM PDT

  •  It may not be a data entry error (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    SilverWings, Lava20

    But a function of the field length for names in the voter database vs DMV of Social Security Administration. I have a very long, compound last name. It is entered in different ways for SSA and the DMV because the database for the DMV doesn't have a long enough field for the last name. I'm registered to vote in my full legal last name as the SSA has it. But last year I was called for jury duty twice due to the discrepancy. The court clerk told me I should re-register to vote using the DMVs misspelling in order to avoid that in the future.
    I'm sure the GOP would love to disenfranchise me because the DMV can't hand a 16 letter last name.

  •  Why is McCain looking smug(er)? (4+ / 0-)

    He knows the ACORN thing is a smokescreen. Acorn has to submit every registration they collect, so they tagged the suspicious ones.

    McCain is looking smug because he knows the GOP machine is going to disenfranchise millions of votes through purging other challenges.

    Our response? ENOUGH! GET OUT THE VOTE! Forget this landslide stuff, get enough votes so they can't steal this one.

    Remember, Bush "won" by a couple of chads here and there. How's that working for you?

  •  Waiting to be disenfranchised (4+ / 0-)

    Depending on whether you are

    The State of New Jersey
    Google Maps
    UPS
    A local resident

    I live on

    John F. Kennedy Boulevard
    John Fitzgerald Kennedy Boulevard
    JFK Boulevard
    Kennedy Blvd.

    etc.

    and no computer seems to be able to recognize that these are one and the same streets

    Keeping my fingers crossed that I'll be permitted to vote in the next election.

    "Thanks, Dubya, for turning my 401-K into a 50.125-K." Cynthia Pierce

  •  Flannery was weak (4+ / 0-)

    There were lots of things Ingraham said that he didn't rebut.

    She kept saying "to the benefit of Democrats." Easily rebutted, as no party is benefiting from registration fraud. The only people benefiting are the employees who are defrauding Acorn. He never explained that well enough.  

  •  Obviously there are two arguments here (2+ / 0-)
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    One argument is voter registration fraud and the other is "actual" voter fraud and the two aren't interchangeable.

    The other problem is, if the interviewer would just shut up and listen to what is being said the public would know what the issues really were. The louder and ruder you are don't necessarily make you right.

    •  You're talking about Laura Ingraham here. (1+ / 0-)
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      Over the Edge

      She gets paid to drone on and interrupt people who disagree with her.  She is not going to shut up, no matter what.  Even if she did (or were bound and gagged), what was said would go in one ear and out the other.  You'd get your point across more effectively whacking her upside the head with a 2x4.  You may as well be arguing with your cat, or with an inanimate object.

      Half-baked ideas for sale - cheap!

      by Steaming Pile on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:57:50 AM PDT

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    •  That's why interviewers (0+ / 0-)

      like Ingraham, Hannity and Limbaugh don't shut up.

      McCain senior economic advisor Douglas Holtz-Eakin: "I have no comment on anything, to anybody."

      by Over the Edge on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 11:07:30 AM PDT

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    •  three discussions (0+ / 0-)
      1. Voter registration uncertainty.
      1. voter registration fraud.  
      1. voter fraud.
      1.  your name on the registration doesn't match your SSA record, your

      MVA record, your real estate records,

      For instance.  Your Voter record may say John Smith,  your MVA Record
      may say John W. Smith, and real estate may say John Wilson Smith.

      To a computer those are mismatches,  to a human, they are trivial entrys.

      Things get compounded, when the entry is jon smith or johnson smith.

      1. Voter Reg Fraud is when you register dead people, people in hospitals,

      people with  known felony records, etc, etc, etc,,,,,  That creates
      a real issue, because then you can have

      1. Voter Fraud, where people impersonate other people to vote multiple

      times.  

      George Bush is Living proof of the axiom "Never send a boy to do a man's job" E -2.25 S -4.10

      by nathguy on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 11:23:43 AM PDT

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  •  This is typical of Fox broadcasters (6+ / 0-)

    Notice how when Laura first realizes she going to be challenged on this, you see that slight look of panic, followed by continual nonsensical talk, in order to not let the gentleman make his point. Even after she ask a question, she almost immediatly, again interupts to not let the guy make his point. I noticed all the talking heads on Fox due the same thing when they're loosing an argument. You'll see it in Sean, Bill, all of them. Apparently, Fox is only interested in spewing they're propaganda. And, they go into panic mode if a guest is on and starts to do a good job of presenting the other side.

  •  Rupert Murdoch craps his pants regularly. (0+ / 0-)

    Enough! Rise and Shine!

    by JerichoJ8 on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:02:42 AM PDT

  •  You DON'T look like Jolie? (0+ / 0-)

    All my illusions are shattered.

    Auntie Em: Hate you. Hate Kansas. Taking the dog. Dorothy

    by haremoor on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:02:50 AM PDT

  •  Is McCain registered as "Mc Cain" or "McCain?" (2+ / 0-)
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    Professor Fate, annominous

    Or is it "MCCAIN?" or "MC CAIN?"

    If his Driver's license says, "McCain" and the voter registration says "MC CAIN" is that voter fraud?

    I'm voting for "That one."

    by mungley on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:02:50 AM PDT

  •  This acorn is a non story really. (0+ / 0-)

    Over the last few years I have been reading a lot of things about voter suppression and fraud, always to the benefit of the Repubs. And rarely do these things appear in the trad media. Sure, stories flit across the public consciousness. For about two seconds, and then someone yells "THERE'S A SHINY THING! OVER THERE!" and that same trad media runs that way like a herd of elephants.  American Idol and Paris Hilton's underwear deficits.....etc.

    So. Where was Ms Laura then?
    If she's SUCH a stickler for voter rights, why wasn't she on those stories?

    Such bulls*it as usual.

    Her mama didn't teach her proper manners either. Seems to be an issue at FOX, Bill O, Hannity......they never let their guests speak without being hollered at.
    TSK TSK.

  •  You said... (3+ / 0-)

    "Ingraham, like others looking to set up some excuse for a possible McCain defeat other than the failure of conservatism".

    Although this may also be true, this nonsense has been going on for quite some time  -  the basis of the entire DOJ scandal.  This strategy was hatched and pushed by Rove several years ago, I think, to defuse the actual vote suppression and stealing the Republicans have been, and are, carrying out.  This is typical Rove  -  accuse your opponent of the crimes you're actually guilty of.  Then when the shit really hits the fan, the MSM narrative is that "it's just politics, both sides do it".

  •  Did you ever notice? (1+ / 0-)
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    OrangeMike

    The Republicans give reasoned argument a pass.

    If they can't interrupt and be rude, the truth might actually be spoken and they can't have that.

  •  I hate Laura Ingram - Bitch School valedictorian (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    nathguy, OrangeMike

    This is just to say Forgive us victory tastes delicious so sweet and so cold

    by Dave the Wave on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:03:45 AM PDT

    •  Nigel Tufnel..agrees. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      nathguy

      ou been bad
      Don't do what I say.
      You don't listen.
      And you never obey.
      Try to teach you.
      But you just won't be good.
      You won't behave the way
      A big girl should.
      It's time to give the whip a crack.
      I'm gonna have to send you back to
      Bitch School.
      Bitch School.
      You're a beauty.
      You're the best of your breed.
      You're a handful.
      And I know what you need.
      You need training.
      Gonna bring you to heel.
      I'm gonna break you with my will of steel.
      Discipline's my middle name.
      And no one comes back the same from
      Bitch School.
      Bitch School.
      No more sniffling strangers, or running free at night.
      You think my bark's bad, honey - wait till you feel my bite.
      You got problems.
      You whine and you beg.
      When I'm busy,
      You wanna dance with my leg.
      I'm gonna chain you.
      Make you sleep out of doors.
      You're so fetching when you're down on all fours.
      And when you hear your master,
      You will come a little faster, thanks to
      Bitch School.

      I went to a klan rally and a McCain townhall broke out.

      by president raygun on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:08:02 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I was going to say this but you beat me to it (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Thomas Twinnings

      She is a perfect mouthpiece of the far right who continuously spew "their" version of the truth.  They know this is not voter fraud, it's a very low-level issue, at best.  

      How it is Acorn's fault that they have to submit all registrations, regardless of the whether they know some are wonky.  I understand they are obligated to flag suspect ones that were subsequently ignored by the election boards in some states.

      FOX News makes me want to scream.  That clip almost had me vaulting through my computer screen.

  •  Violence By Right Wing If Obama Victory (0+ / 0-)

    is narrow. You think the Ingraham, Hannity and O'Reilly have the "Can't we all get along" speeches ready. Tyhey are only concerned with which cable station will get the best ratings during a period of national unrest.

    It is in our national interest to have Obama win in undisputable landslide.

  •  Gallup: Obama 50 McCain 42 (2+ / 0-)
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    edwardssl, annominous

    "We don't throw the first punch, but we'll throw the last." Barack Obama, October 6, 2008

    by jessica69 on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:04:56 AM PDT

  •  She was louder and interrupted more... (2+ / 0-)
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    Over the Edge, OrangeMike

    that makes her right.

    I really hate how the neo-con media machine associates emotional vitriol with being right. They all do it. Start losing an argument, start shouting, start interrupting. Wow they are so passionate, they must be right.

    I went to a klan rally and a McCain townhall broke out.

    by president raygun on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:05:30 AM PDT

  •  terrible (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    bakenjuddy, your neighbor

    wow that was a horrible video. first of all, the racism of the selected videos was blatant and unapologetic. and then ingraham saying "did you SEE those videos?!" horrifying.

    also, someone needs to tell her the difference between registration fraud (which could happen unintentionally--i canvassed last week in NoVa, and one man wasn't sure if he was still registered. he was from central america, and a citizen now, and he registered last year, but thought that for each election you need to register again. if we hadn't talked to him, he may just have re-registered--fraud!!) and voter fraud. it's NOT the same thing.

    this sickens me. sickens. i am a grad student and am working part time at a restaurant and do not have expendable income, yet i just donated $50 to obama. can't afford but can't afford this BS either.

  •  This is what Fox calls an INTERVIEW??? (3+ / 0-)

    I haven't watched Fox in heaven only knows how long (don't own a television and so basically only download my news) and I'm appalled by the lack of ANY attempts to actually let the interviewee speak or complete a simple sentence. Honestly, this disgusts me. That anybody could consider this journalism to ANY degree (other than mudslinging) is beyond me. He tries time and time again to negate her statements and give the facts, and she bulldozes over his sentences before he can even finish. This is absolutely appalling reporting!

    And yes, if this were a more liberal station bulldozing over a right-wing Republican, I would be just as upset! News is about letting people from BOTH sides of the line have their says and presenting a broader picture. THIS attempts to force the broader picture into a narrow, hand-picked view.

    Disgusting.

    http://www.rivkah.com/

    by Little Rivkah on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:06:08 AM PDT

  •  Then, you're better off: (0+ / 0-)

    I can also claim that I look like Angelina Jolie. It ain't gonna be true.

    These tactics are:

    both ugly and unfair

    They are light years beyond unfair.  They are anti-democratic.

    Thank you Michele Bachman for making the 'anti' prefix trendy.

    Please donate more to
    Blog Media Star Elwyn Tinklenberg to thank Michelle for her great service to prefixes.

    Never get the mothers too angry.

    by pvlb on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:06:11 AM PDT

  •  Wasn't it Ingraham (3+ / 0-)
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    imabluemerkin, bakenjuddy, OrangeMike

    who inspired voter fraud via her radio show in '04? She encouraged people to jam voter info phone lines.  Vague memory, but she stirred something up.

    Huffpo links to LA TIMES article on GOP fraud in CA and elsewhere via national young republicans group.  Where is the hysteria about that, CNN et al?

  •  she just talked over him (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    biscobosco, OrangeMike

    the poor sob never stood a chance, he kept trying to draw the distinction between voter fraud and registration fraud but she just changed the subject as he was talking.  this is not discourse.  it's pathetic, he should have told her to STFU for thirty seconds so he could speak.  what a rude person...

  •  Ingraham and O'Reilly... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    OrangeMike, your neighbor

    Even if someone's kicking their ass, I find it very difficult to watch them.  I couldn't get all the way through the video.  She just made me want to vomit.

  •  Ingraham is nothing but O'Reilly in a dress (2+ / 0-)
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    OrangeMike, annominous

    She got in four words for Flannery's every one.
    Problem is, Flannery was talking substance and Ingraham was just blowing the Fox/RNC Company line out her ass.
    Another tool.

    Obama/Biden, '08 - Because the failure of America as a democracy is not an option!

    by WSComn on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:07:45 AM PDT

  •  also (0+ / 0-)

    has anyone blogged about this yet? i looked for one but couldn't find it?

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/...

    Seeking to portray law enforcement investigations into reports of fraudulent voter registrations in several states as an extension of the controversial firings of United States attorneys, the Obama campaign on Friday called for a review by a special prosecutor.

  •  New in Florida...No Match, No Vote Law (0+ / 0-)

    "We are a Plutocracy, we ought to face it. We need, desperately, to find new ways to hear independent voices & points of view" Ramsey Clark, US AG

    by Mr SeeMore on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:07:53 AM PDT

  •  He did a poor job (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Blutodog, the awful truth

    he may have explain some of it, but he was weak and should have attacked her directly by saying she knows legally you cannot commit voter fraud unless someone tries to vote twice and make her admit that.  She went on and on ranting.  We need better representatives who fight back on these shows.

    •  Invited (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      the awful truth

      That's why he was invited. Fox loves weak kneed liberals as guests. They're fun straw dogs for the Faux bullies to kick around and be rude too.

      "It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees" E. Zapata

      by Blutodog on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:12:15 AM PDT

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    •  He didn't seem like a sharp legal mind (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      the awful truth

      He seemed overmatched by Ingraham.  

      These out-of-touch guys are flattered into thinking that if they appear on the TeeVee, it means they're being publicly recognized as a smart guy.  Mostly, when they ask you to be on TOX it's because you've already been identified as an exemplar of the ineffectual, effete, elite left.  This lawyer looked like a silly, pleasant, doof who thought his role on the TeeVee was to have a conversation, not to vigorously demand the time to make his point in 10 seconds or less.  

      You send a lawyer onto TOX News who thinks he's going into a courtroom with rules that apply to both sides, and what you are really doing is sending a lawyer into a police interrogation where he's the target and all the rules, except the right to remain silent, favor the cops.   Jeebus, when will any of these "guests" learn?

  •  Laura = Coulter clone (0+ / 0-)

    She's just another hack Coulter clone that Murdoch over pays because she's a nasty blond bitch. These are the same kinds of women who beat inmates at Auschwitz.

    "It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees" E. Zapata

    by Blutodog on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:09:06 AM PDT

  •  The best example of the letter for letter match (0+ / 0-)

    up problem is Joe (Sam) the (non) Plumber.  Under the way the Republicans want it, he shouldn't be allowed to vote because his name doesn't match up.  Talk about hypocrisy.

    "There's only three things [Rudy Giuliani] mentions in a sentence: a noun and a verb and 9/11." -- Sen. Joseph Biden

    by waters96 on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:10:41 AM PDT

  •  GALLUP: M- 1 (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    annominous
    O 50 M 42

    So much for "tightening"... (But Obama is right! Don't get complacent!!!)

    Youth and Truth VS. Old Age and Rage

    by OReillysNightmare on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:11:12 AM PDT

  •  Living in a progressive county... (0+ / 0-)

    in a progressive state, today I proudly cast my vote (by mail!) for Barack Obama.

    "Say it ain't so Joe!" Sarah Palin

    by Joe Six Pack on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:11:52 AM PDT

  •  Names often don't match on ID's (2+ / 0-)
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    Sparhawk, neighborm

    I work in a reservations call center for the travel industry.  Passengers are often confused about which name to put on their reservations.  

    "Should I use the name on my
    --birth certificate,
    --or my passport,
    --or my driver's license,
    --or my credit cards?"

    There are many people who use their middle names --even in legal documents -- and once they are known by those names, they are hesitant to use any other ones. They can't remember which ones they have used on which documents. They aren't trying to get away with anything; they just don't like their legal names.  The computer may not recognize J. Robert Doe as John Doe.

    In some cases, the tags of Jr or Sr have to be added as part of the last names.  The computer then does not recognize John Doe as being the same as John Doe Jr.  To avoid the confusion, some people just leave the tags off -- in which cases, hundreds of John Doe's show up in a computer search and it can be difficult to know the right ones.

    Sometimes names are misspelled even when sounding them out with "alpha, beta" words.  There are people who can look at printouts and still not recognize that their own names are spelled improperly because the differences are so subtle.

    It is frightening to think that people may be dropped from the rolls and denied their right to vote based on entries in a data bank.

    Investigate! Impeach! Indict! Incarcerate!

    by Cato come back on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:12:04 AM PDT

  •  I have a double last name, and nightmares (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Brooke In Seattle

    every time I try and check into an airline

    pick up the bike my wife dropped off at the bike shop

    or register on some online form

    sometimes they put a hyphen
    sometimes they take it out
    sometimes the take the space btwn out

    this is not fraud it is binary based computer analysis

    to a human

    O'Hare = O'hare = O Hare = O hare = OHare = Ohare

    to a computer or a Republican

    one person is about to destroy the fabric of democracy

    Tax Paradigms, Feed Imaginations

    by jhpdb on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:13:21 AM PDT

  •  Whatever the Republicans accuse (0+ / 0-)

    others of is what they are guilty of. Voter fraud and tampering? You betcha!

  •  GOD, she has THE MOST ANNOYING voice... (0+ / 0-)

    it just grates, grates, grates, like chewing aluminum foil or scratching an old-fashioned chalkboard.  Now I remember why I don't have a TV, and only do YouTube...

    •  As the old saying goes... (0+ / 0-)

      She has a voice for the silent screen...

      To the GOP, change means doing a 360.

      by kovie on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:25:05 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Sarah Palin is worse.. (0+ / 0-)

      now THAT voice would cut glass.

      Imagine being married to THAT, I can see why Todd takes long trips away from her, racing snowmobiles, fishing, doing ANYTHING to not be with THAT.

      I keep expecting Palin to stop, take off her glasses, pull one pin to release and spool out her hair, and start to unbutton her blouse. Ah, the beginning of so many porn flicks.

      If Ingram and Hannity mated, their spawn would have cloven hooves and speak in a metallic voice of Colossus. JMNSHO.

      L.

  •  Laura Ingraham is not a good debater (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    OrangeMike

    She's talking over her guest.

    She's bringing up non-issues.

    She's not listening.

    And as the guest said, she's repeating the same story 100 times and making it sound like there are 100 examples of this.

    This is Ken Blackwell's chickens coming home to roost.

    Justice, mercy, tolerance, hope, love, grace, and redemption are all Judeo-Christian values.

    by Benintn on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:14:45 AM PDT

  •  Tax them. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Brooke In Seattle

    Republicans want a flawless voter registration and verification system?  Okay; sure.  Let's raise taxes and earmark the tax increase for overhauling and integrating Social Security databases and driver's license databases.  We'll raise it, say, 5% or so the first two years to get the capital to do all of this overhauling.  Then we can knock it down 3% to cover maintenance of this labyrinthine system.

    Republicans like to bitch about government inefficiency?  Well- point out that the government needs money to modernize.  And it gets money through taxes.  They need to put their money where their mouth is.

    "and the people bowed and prayed to the neon gods they'd made" The Sound of Silence

    by electricgrendel on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:14:45 AM PDT

  •  Has the rule, about the election being held (0+ / 0-)

    on the first tuesday after the first monday, been changed?  If not, can the election be called invalid?

    We can have the Constitution or we can have Bush but, we can't have both.

    by Friend of the court on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:14:46 AM PDT

  •  i think you look better than angelina jolie (0+ / 0-)

    and laura ingraham is nothing but an ann coulter wannabe

  •  You know what the real problem is.... (0+ / 0-)

    Most Republican right wing hacks are not as educated as the smart people they bring on and when they collide the Republicans just try to talk over the smart one.  Its unreal.

  •  Flannery got owned (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    the awful truth, gmarasco

    I'm sorry, but any low-information voter watching that would most likely think that Ingraham absolutely destroyed Flannery. If you think he owned her you are being incredibly naive. She dominated the conversation. Never let him get a word in edgewise, and he let her do it. He look hapless and hopeless and totally unable to answer her (leading) questions.

    He desperately needs to go see Ari Melber to learn how to deal with these kind of interviews. First things first, don't let the other side filibuster, which is exacly what Ingraham did. She kept throwing out new questions without ever letting Flannery have a real chance to answer them. He should have said, "Laura, if you want us to have a real discussion of this allow me to answer the questions without interruption.". Then he should have turned the questioning of her by asking her if she knows the difference between registration fraud and voter fraud.

    He never once did either of these things and therefore this interview as an awful one for our side.

    I love you georgia10, but you are 100% wrong on this.

    •  Isn't 100% a bit severe? (0+ / 0-)

      Although personally, I prefer exploiting the other person's attempt to dominate the discussion to my advantage, by letting them do most of the talking and only asking enough questions to tie them up in logical knots and let them hoist themselves on their own petard. I.e. the Socratic method (which I suspect Georgia approves of, for many reasons). It's very passive-aggressive, very annoying, and very effective.

      Now tell me again, how exactly did you arrive at this 100% figure...

      To the GOP, change means doing a 360.

      by kovie on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:29:23 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Why does anyone go on FoxNews? (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Subversive, maizenblue

    When I see stuff like this, that's all I can think of.

    And the final insult is McCain and the rest of the wingnutosphere calling out MSNBC for being "biased."

    I really want to know what kind of mind can look at Fox as "Fair and Balanced" and see MSNBC utterly out of bounds.  Jesus, they've got TWO explicitly liberal shows!  They fired Phil Donahue when he had the highest rated show. They gave shows to Michael Savage and Alan Keyes.  They gave Tucker Carlson a show!  Chris Matthews gushed over "Mission Accomplished" and described Bush as having "sunny nobility."  But because they have two successful liberal shows they are beyond the pale?  And Fox is down the middle and fair?

    Dulce bellum inexpertis [War is sweet only to those who have no experience of it].

    by Fatherflot on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:17:53 AM PDT

  •  Database management (3+ / 0-)

    For several years I did voter matchups for my union.  The method, get a union member's name address and zip code, then line it up alphabetically.  Then take the voter list for the county, already lined up alphabetically.  And do a compare.  For members not on the list of voters, a new list is printed.  Those are the ones we worked on.

    Here's the problem.  Some voters were listed as Mrs Husband's name in the voter list, but her own first name in the union records.  Others registered by First name, middle Initial, Last name on the voters' list, but middle name and last name on the union records.  Then of course, more rarely, was a typo of a letter or two.  Street names and house numbers gave new possibilities of a false positive because many street names have inconsistent spellings, from the computer's point of view, with spaces and added letters.

    When it came time to send out mail encouraging a member to register to vote, we ALWAYS had about a 20 percent error rate.  We had to apologize in advance, knowing that someone would have hurt feelings.  But it was still worth doing.  Too many people think they are registered to vote when they are not.  

    This is not to say anyone did anything wrong.  It is simply not possible, even with IRS records, to have a 99 percent accurate database.  (Witness the IRS problems with married women putting a name on the tax return that is not the same as her social security card.)

    •  As I commented elsewhere here (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Clem Yeobright, alkalinesky

      I just finished up a major project at work doing precisely this sort of thing, and it was a nightmare, trying to match up names and addresses and standardize them, while both avoiding false positives and finding false negatives. It was very painstaking and time-consuming, with lots of manual inspection, and you can never get to 100% accuracy.

      There needs to be a 95% or so threshold for likely matchups for a voter to be allowed to vote. Most will match up 100% after some analysis, but some will never quite get there. But so long as it's close to 100%, that shouldn't keep anyone from voting.

      Dem OR Repub.

      To the GOP, change means doing a 360.

      by kovie on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:34:14 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  What can be said about that? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    alkalinesky

    The lies, half-truths, exaggerations all to try and make some false point. Every time I see a Fox news video I am reminded why I NEVER watch that repulsive network.

  •  Her evidence is that everyone is (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    alkalinesky

    talking about it.  From what I could tell that's what her argument hinged on.  That and her claim that if it were Republicans doing it, Democrats would be up in arms.  I guess clerking for Thomas didn't teach her about making a case using facts?  I guess it wouldn't, though, would it.  I'm not a lawyer, but I thought facts were important in legal arguments.  Shows what I know.

  •  Well that was useless waste of blogspace. (4+ / 0-)

    They are both idiots.
    Vacuous blonde shill posing as informed lawyer and useful idiot bowtie representing librul appeasement.

    Perfect Faux News framing.

    Ugh.  I could make better arguments than idiot bowtie.

  •  That bitch (0+ / 0-)

    barely let him get a word in.

  •  I'm about to date myself: (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Brooke In Seattle, alkalinesky

    I'm so glad I don't watch TV.  Every time I watch one of the YouTubes such as the one in this diary, I'm left scratching my head about what the heck happened to civility.  Or even just basic manners.

    All these pundits who continually interrupt their 'guests' are nothing more than a bunch of brutes.  If one met a person socially who did this kind of thing, most people would steer clear of them for the rest of their lives, as being an ill-mannered, uncivilized louts.  

    Oh, for the days of an interview in which either side could actually complete a sentence.

    Never get the mothers too angry.

    by pvlb on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:20:37 AM PDT

  •  What about voter COUNTING fraud (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    alkalinesky, MKSinSA

    encouraged by the crooked Republican politicians?

    Voter counting fraud is much more dangerous, because the fraud encouraged by GOP politicians is wholesale fraud.

    The one-sy and two-sy fraud challenged by the Republicans does not result in actual votes cast, and is much less dangerous to an accurate vote.

    If the GOP wants to talk about voter registration fraud, we'd better make sure there is no voter suppression and no voter COUNTING fraud.

    -4.75, -5.33 Cheney 10/05/04: "I have not suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

    by sunbro on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:20:44 AM PDT

    •  Total bait and switch (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      sunbro

      They aren't stupid. They are trying to discredit legitimate inquiry into voter supression and election fraud by waving the red herring of "voter fraud" which doesn't even exist in any prosecutorial fashion.

      I still root for the dreamer. I thank God for the dreamer ~ Mos Def, Lifetime

      by alkalinesky on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:40:32 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Goddamn, (0+ / 0-)

    that's a perfect example of why I don't watch cable news talk shows.

    No day but today--Obama '08

    by someotherguy86 on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:22:08 AM PDT

  •  Yet more suppression in Florida.. (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    alkalinesky, kinah

    What is it with Florida once again trying to steal an election? The constant sunshine boils many a brain in this fine state. This mornings local rag: Herald Tribune, had these expected words

    A state voter verification law has rejected almost 9,000 new voter registrations in Florida for this presidential election.

    Surprise, surprise, surprise, said in Gomer Pyles grating voice. It continued with yet more expected news

    Of these local registrations, more than four times as many Democrats as Republicans had their registration rejected since the law went into effect Sept. 8. More than a third were minorities, according to a state database released this week.

    No, No, No, my crooked, thieving Resluglicans. There will be dancing in the street if this election is yet another stolen travesty. And dance we will, all the way to Washington. They may regret the slam dance a'comin' their way.

    Liberal and proud in Sarasota, florida..

  •  these problems illustrate why peoiple wind up on (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    alkalinesky

    no-fly lists.  Data processing is not rocket science, is stultifyingly boring, and from my own limited experience at registering voters at our local university, the handwriting of many of the registrants is like a drunken spider.  It is impossible to standardies all data banks, such as drivers licenses for exa,ple, in my state a license is valid for eight years. I would imagine at least 5 out of 10 voters change their addresses during that period?

    It is another concerted effort at voter suppression by the Republican Party. I can't imagine why anyone is surprised. The best news is that the Democrats this time around have torn a leaf from Bush's book and declared pre-emptive war and gone to the Supreme Court BEFORE the election .  Expect November 4th to last at least a month before ALL the votes are counted, challenged and certified.

    Unless of course the tsunami is so huge there can be no doubt.  The repubs are fond of saying that all elections are really really close and even one vote counts.  Actually, I heard on a recent panel that in fact it was only the 2 elections George W was involved in were really really close.

    2000 and 2004 issued in 8 years of total republican power. No wonder the repubs are scared shitless of 8 years of total Democratic power!  

    They will do whatever needs to be done to prevent that from happening. WE have to whatever we need to do to ensure that it DOES happen.

  •  In my current job (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Brooke In Seattle

    I just finished up a major project in which I had to clean up thousands of database records that included peoples' names and addresses, and one of the issues that I had to deal with was minor inconsistencies in the way that both appeared in the database. E.g. "John A Smith" vs. "John A. Smith". To most people these look identical. To a computer, they do not--unless you're using software that's sophisticated enough to tell that these are, in fact, the same names. Most software is not this sophisticated.

    And this is precisely the sort of "problem" that almost certainly accounts for the vast majority of those 200,000 names, if experience is any guide (I've done this sort of work in previous jobs, and this problem is pervasive--there is a MASSIVE amount of bad data out there that needs to be cleaned up). I.e. perfectly valid registrations what don't 100% match up with existing records due to typos, different naming standards (e.g. 1st vs. First), truncated field sizes in older (or really poorly-designed) databases, etc. Not a single voter should be disenfranchised due to such APPARENT discrepancies.

    But Republicans should certainly be encouraged to vote for Jon Sidnee MaCain.

    To the GOP, change means doing a 360.

    by kovie on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:24:09 AM PDT

  •  Why does anyone appear on Fox News? (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    senz, alkalinesky

    If you say something that they don't like, they shout you down. People need to be prepared to SHOUT BACK -- and I mean shout to the extent that the interviewing "journalist" cannot be heard -- or, failing that, to just walk off the set. Fox should not be allowed the false pretense of being an actual news outlet.

    Bush's Law: "There is no advantage that cannot be overcome by incompetence."

    by ProbStat on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:24:10 AM PDT

  •  I think the GOP effort here is two-fold (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    annominous

    First aided by Fox News to cast doubt on the election result knowing Obama will win. Maybe leading to legal challenge by McCain.

    Also while this is ongoing for the GOP to commit voter suppression and purging of voter rolls in key states.

    The result could be ugly both the GOP and the Dems claiming voter fraud in a close election.

    Greg Palast has been investigating the GOP efforts at this for almost a solid year writing about nothing else.

    "We were warriors then, and our tribe was strong like a river" - Hunter S Thompson

    by GonzoLegend on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:24:17 AM PDT

  •  Voter Fraud vs Scrivener Error (6+ / 0-)

    She's very aggressive and gets her point out, right or wrong.  He's bumbling around and it's hard to know what his point is.

    That's what I got out of watching all I could stand, the first 30-60 seconds.  He doesn't agree with her, but unless you're a student of Dickens, it's not clear why.

    She gets "voter fraud" in front of the public, backed up with footage of African-American ACORN supporters dancing in the streets that's designed solely to piss off the racists.

    He tells us it's nothing but scriveners' errors.   Christ, I'm a literature major with graduate degrees. I had to stop and remind myself what a scrivener was.

    It may have got better, but I couldn't stand it.  I don't think Mr. Flannery did much to change Joe the Plumber's mind (make that mind-set).

  •  Cynical or Simply Stupid? (0+ / 0-)

    It's a hard question to answer if Republican and right-wingers pundits are cynical (they lie and know the truth to be otherwise) or simply stupid (they don't know what the truth is)?

    The base is, of course, too stupid. Since they destroy themselves by voting Republican.

    •  the third option is (0+ / 0-)

      they actually believe what they are saying.  In their view, we are the ones that just don't get it.

      The party in power is the party that has more people on their side.  It's quite simple.  

  •  talking point for flannery - Joe the plumber (1+ / 0-)
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    something fox viewers would have understood

    Joe the Plumber turned in a bad registration (or had bad handwriting, or there was a clerical error entering his info)- He would be targeted for registration purge if he was a new registrant
    http://www.toledoblade.com/...

    The Toledo Blade reported today that "Joe the Plumber's" name appears on Ohio voter registration rolls with a slight misspelling -- as Worzelbacher, not Wurzelbacher.

    And that sort of data-entry error might be enough -- were Joe a new registrant -- to have him disqualified from voting in Ohio, Florida, or Wisconsin this year, depending on the outcome of ongoing litigation.

    Purging voters or blocking their registration because of data errors is disenfranchisement by typo," said Michael Waldman, the executive director of the Brennan Center for Justice, a liberal legal group involved in litigation in those states. "Joe is a perfect example. If he were anew voter, he would be being challenged right now as not eligible to vote."

    "Joe the Plumber is not committing voter fraud by having his name spelled differently on two different lists," he said.

    http://www.politico.com/...

  •  The FBI (Justice Dept) is investigating? (0+ / 0-)

    Why isn't the narrative changed to the fact that the Justice Department is so corrupted by 8 years of Bush/Cheney that any investigation is suspect of having a political motivation.  

    Will we find in a couple of months that US Atty's were coerced or ordered to investigate?

  •  John Flannery did not look good in that. (1+ / 0-)
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    He was flippant smart-alecky and he kept looking away as if he was lying.  Lauren Ingraham, on the other hand, looked sincere and confident.  That clip is not going to convince a single regular Fox News viewer that ACORN has not committed widespread voter fraud.

    Main Street before Wall Street! NO DEAL is better than a bad deal.

    by Subversive on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:34:34 AM PDT

    •  regular Fox viewers.. (0+ / 0-)

      are frequently lost causes when it comes to political reasoning. Their brain washing is complete and quite strong. They LOVE to hear someone like Ingram telling them what'd they'd like to believe, how the Republican Party is being run over by all the "librul media"..

      Unfortunately, facts usually have a liberal bias from their point of view.

      The irony is that a large percentage of the Republican sheep are people whose interests are not served by the further enrichment of the rich. The ones without a pot to piss in are convinced that the Evil Democrats are trying to take away THEIR MONEY!

      And finding out truths, such as Joe the Plumber being a Republican plant (not a licensed plumber, makes about $40K a year, business owner he works for makes about $100K, owes back taxes, etc. - evidently vetted at least as well as Sarah Palin!) makes no difference.

      L.

  •  The GOP is soooooooooo unpopular, that they (0+ / 0-)
    have to TRICK people into registering as republicans.

    Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
    ~~ Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by Muzikal203 on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:40:17 AM PDT

  •  Faux News "pundits" make my brain hurt, (0+ / 0-)

    I think I just lost a few IQ points just by listening to her blathering. ):

  •  saw this somewhere: (1+ / 0-)
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    Happiness is when:

    A motorcade of Ryder trucks line Pennsylvania Avenue and this army of incompetent Bushies exit the buildings.

    Arrogance is expelled from Washington

    Palin returns to Alaska

    Competence is not considered elitism

    Banks understand how to count

    The news isn't frightening

    People speak in full sentences

    When Joe Six-Pack goes back to get his GED and learns that we all need to support the Constitution

    a man's character is his destiny!

    by Jaleh on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:42:59 AM PDT

  •  Registration Fraud (3+ / 0-)

    Question:

    Is it a crime to register voter names
    that are intended to be found.
    When a person declares his name is
    "Mickey Mouse" on a voter registration
    blank we know that he wants to call
    attention to the fraud.  He could not
    possibly cast a ballot under that name.
    This act is intended to create an atmosphere
    of voter fraud where none exists.
    It is similar to a diversion during a
    Bank robbery---an explosion across town
    that keeps the police busy.
    These "Plumbers" are very resourceful.
    And I don't mean "Joe".
    Prepare your polling places to expose the
    "Plumbers".
    Watch the Federal election inspectors with
    a "jaundiced eye".
    They will be the "bad guys".

  •  Sorry, but I don't think he debunked anything. (4+ / 0-)

    She ran right over him like a truck hitting a cardboard box.

    He stood up a little bit, but mostly folded under pressure.

    He didn't get his point across and she just talked over anything pertinent.

    Of course, it's FOX, but I still don't think this guy did anything but show how Democrats don't stand up to the people on FOX. And at the end, it was like seeing two lawyers who have gone at it in the court room make a date for drinks that evening.

    I was not impressed. That was not standing up.

    Sarah Palin's governing philosophy: "Choice for me, but not for thee."

    by Brooke In Seattle on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:45:08 AM PDT

  •  It is easy to tell when a neo con is losing (1+ / 0-)
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    an argument. They immediately start talking over the other side. They are so afraid of the logic behind the other side's argument, they don't want it to be heard. Democrats need to start being more forceful in stopping this tactic.

  •  Don't Burn My Straw Man!!! (0+ / 0-)

    I think this ACORN thing says a lot more about Wingnuts then they want people to know. The reason they are worried about more people voting is the more people who vote the more clear it becomes they are lunatic fringe and nowhere near mainstream.

    "But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." Barack Obama

    by Sam James on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:49:07 AM PDT

  •  I would love to get in a room w/ that woman (0+ / 0-)

    with a roll of duct tape....STFU, you idiot!  How can anyone with a brain stand to watch Fux " news"??

    If we want peace, why do we give weapons and call it "aid"?

    by gdwtch52 on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:49:19 AM PDT

  •  seems to me (2+ / 0-)
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    the awful truth, fayea

    you gotta get a complete sentence out (and heard) before one can say you've 'debunked' anything.

    'uppity elitist' aka educated Af-Am

    by mallyroyal on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:53:52 AM PDT

  •  how does anyone actually (0+ / 0-)

    watch this FOX channel?  The format of constant bombarding interruptions where no complete sentence ever gets uttered.  It makes me crazy no matter what they are talking about or what the facts are.  

    I was wise enough to never grow up while fooling most people into believing I had. - Margaret Mead

    by fayea on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:55:29 AM PDT

  •  Regarding the following line from you (0+ / 0-)

    I can also claim that I look like Angelina Jolie. It ain't gonna be true.

    Honey I expect that is true but I also expect that you are far more beautiful than Angelina Jolie.

    Just in case I am wrong on the above, I can assure you that you rate number one with this old man and you have for a long time.

    I love reading your stuff.

    Peace
    :)

    I am voting for that one on Nov 4th

    by eaglecries on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:55:48 AM PDT

  •  Did we see the same clip? (1+ / 0-)
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    the awful truth

    Flannery did not debunk anything because Ingraham would not let him get a word in edgewise. She rolled all over him and he just let her get away with it. Is this what passes for making a successful argument around here?

    He should have stood his ground and insisted that she shut up long enough to let him make his points.

    Fight Back! If they send one of ours to the hospital, we send one of theirs to the morgue.

    by Phil In Denver on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:59:53 AM PDT

  •  Good for you (0+ / 0-)

    Angelina Jolie is kinda scary looking.  I'm gld you don't look like her.  I imagine you look more like Scarlett Johansson!

    "There is a limit to the legitimate interference of collective opinion with individual independence" - J.S. Mill

    by dmsarad on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 11:02:39 AM PDT

  •  IRS changed my name to "Cathiennet" (0+ / 0-)

    from Catherine last year, I have yet to convince them their OCR messed up--after three contacts I still get stuff from there addressed that way.

  •  So what happens if these people (0+ / 0-)

    show up to vote?

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    Four out five sock puppets agree

    by se portland on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 11:08:54 AM PDT

    •  a common way.. (0+ / 0-)

      a common no-cost way to seek telephone privacy is to list under a different name. It's fun to use Mickey Mouse, etc. But most people do it with a less recognizable name, which their friends can know. When someone calls and wants to talk to Iva Biggin, I know they don't know me, for example. Yet my friends and family can find my phone number when needed.

      So, the telephone listing match requirement is not a good way to verify people.

      L.

  •  I VOTED TODAY!!!! (0+ / 0-)

    In my area of WA State, we have mail-in ballots.  I filled mine out and mailed it today.  I kissed the envelope and blessed in with Holy Water and aid, "Thank you, Barrack Obama, for changing my life .." at the post office.  One lady smiled big at me and a grumpy man gave me a mean look.

    I have a girlfriend who has been struggling with Obama.  I've provided her with lots and lots of information to answer her questions.  We analyzed her core values, her religious issues, gay rights and abortion .. all areas she really needed to flesh out. Plus she is an ex Navy Seal so military issues are heavy on her mind.

    She emailed me this morning to say she voted OBAMA.

    The obligation to endure gives us the right to know. -- Jean Rostand

    by Silent Spring on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 11:10:59 AM PDT

  •  This woman is soooo rude. (0+ / 0-)
  •  What a disgraceful perfomance from ingram. (0+ / 0-)

    Even by faux standards this is disgusting.
    She must be competing with Photenhauer for "Harpy of the year."

    St. Ronnie was an asshole.

    by manwithnoname on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 11:20:07 AM PDT

  •  I Have the Names of 57 Proven Frauds! (1+ / 0-)
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    BenGoshi

    Of course, all the frauds I know are Republicans.  They seem to have no dignity or honor; willing to lie at anytime about anything with statements that brazenly untrue.  

    As Joseph Welch famously asked Joseph McCarthy,

    "Until this moment, Senator, I think I never gauged your cruelty or your recklessness ... Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"

    At which point the crowd at the Senate hearing erupted into applause.

    So now we must ask ourselves, "Have the Republicans learned nothing?" The same smears and character assassination that were hallmarks of Joseph McCarthy have once again become a staple of the Republican Party.

    McCarthy began his assault on liberals with this famous speech given on February 9, 1950, Lincoln Day.  In part, he said,

    Today we are engaged in a final, all-out battle between communistic atheism and Christianity. ... I have in my hand 57 cases of individuals who would appear to be either card-carrying members or certainly loyal to the Communist Party, but who nevertheless are still helping to shape our foreign policy.

    He named names and accused specific people of being Communists.  These people lost their jobs.  They're lives were ruined.  But they were never proven to be communists, or guilty of anything.   They were just victims of malice perpetrated by a Conservative Republican Senator.   I find very interesting that so few sources bother to mention that McCarthy was a Republican.  Clearly, the Party has not abandoned his tactics.

  •  Thr politically-motivated dirt-flingers (0+ / 0-)

    won't stop because ACORN is a vulnerable spot.

    Flannery says he'd like to see the warrants. Here is the warrant for the seizure in Las Vegas:

    http://media.lasvegassun.com/...

    Here is a relevant excerpt:

    ACORN has repeatedly denied the use of "hard quotas" for its workers, but it is very clear that this is dissembly:


    "Do you have quotas that people have to fill every day?" Keteyian asked Lewis.

    "No," she said. "We pay people by the hour. And also, we train folks on a daily basis."

    But CBS News has talked to nearly two dozen ACORN workers who all said they were pressured to increase their number of registration cards - to the point of copying names out of phone books, signing up inmates, and registering the dead.

    "They just have to maintain 25 cards a day," Borges said. "That's a quota, as far as I'm concerned."

    http://www.cbsnews.com/...

    "You get fired for consistently bringing in cards in the low teens, or for one day with under 10 cards. You get a bonus for getting over 100 cards ia week, which means you meet quota all 5 days, or work Saturday.  It's rare people get the bonus, a lot more people get fired."

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    WHY does ACORN continue to deny the use of hard quotas? It may be that this practice differs from office to office, and that local officials enforcing quotas are in violation of policy. But surely ACORN mudt be aware that these violations exist.

    In order to believe so fervently in ACORN's complete innocence under these circumstances, one must be blissfully unaware of a tradition of patronage and machine politics among the Dems, and equally unaware of the 1999/2000 million-dollar embezzlement by Dale Rathke, covered up for 8 years by his brother, ACORN founder Wade Rathke, who even kept his brother on the payroll until earlier this year..

    http://www.nytimes.com/...

    Yes, the dirt flung by Republicans is politically-motivated.

    And correct -- there's no voter fraud here.

    But it looks to me like ACORN may be going for inflated registration numbers in order to keep grant funds flowing, in which case the real victims of ACORN fraud are gullible Dems, not the electorate.

    So long as ACORN leaders dissemble, GOP attack dogs will be savaging this issue -- so ling as there is any possibility of meat on this bone.

  •  hardly a win against Laura. (1+ / 0-)
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    in fact, she refused to let him make any points, and when he started to, she changed the subject. He did ok, but ingraham simply refused to allow him to make his points.

    Faux, ruder than a palin.

    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

    by agnostic on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 11:31:36 AM PDT

  •  I hate this bitch (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    senz

    Bitch is too good a word for her.  She is really a despicable thing.  I can't imagine anyone loving her.  Ugh.

    Pro-Choice and Proud of It!

    by powwow500 on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 11:41:14 AM PDT

  •  Flannery was dead wrong. They did not address (0+ / 0-)

    the merits.   They ruled based upon standing alone.

    We express no opinion on the question whether HAVA is being properly implemented. Respondents, however, are not sufficiently likely to prevail on the question whether Congress has authorized the District Court to enforce Section 303 in an action brought by a private litigant to justify the issuance of a TRO.

    Also, Flannery should lose the bowtie.  Unless you are Charles Osgood, Louis Farrahkan or sporting a tux, it's a weird look and makes people think you are a tad odd.  

    Having credibility when making an argument is the straightest path to persuasion.

    by SpamNunn on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 11:53:44 AM PDT

  •  How can ANYONE watch Fox? (0+ / 0-)

    All Fox hosts, like Ingraham, are just plain rude. If they don't like the answers they get, they just start talking over the responses or interrogate the "guests" as if they are members of Al Qaeda. What kind of "host" treats a guest like that? Any civiliized person watching just cringes at the lack of manners and civilized discourse -- or like me, just bypasses the channel altogether. Flannery should have asked Ingraham why she even bothered to have him on instead of being the polite and classy person he is.

  •  What an incredible right wing be-atch.. (0+ / 0-)

    Laura Ingram, in her usual shout down full Fox "News" mode. Nice to see her get her butt handed to her by someone with facts.

    How desperate is the Republican Party to have to resort to this "voter fraud" tactic?

    Back in 2000, it was Rush Limbaugh yearning for the Jim Crow days of poll taxes and requiring voters (black ones) to pass a test when they tried to vote.  And Rush was whining about Jesse Jackson arranging busses to take people from poor neighborhoods (black ones) to the polls to vote. As if that were some cheat tactic..

    Whatever decent Republicans remain after this election need to start over and rebuild their party into something at least RESPECTABLE.  Now, their party is despicable.

    Time to point it out instead of being politely silent.

    L.

  •  I dunno... (0+ / 0-)

    I didn't see any debunking going on at all. I saw Ingraham shouting down every answer he gave, even before he got it out of his mouth.

    I wish just once, some Democratic spokesperson would respond to the "If this were benefitting Republicans, Democrats would be ALL OVER IT" charge with: "Of COURSE we would. That's how the game is PLAYED. We all know it's utter crap, you included, but it's an excellent way to score cheap political points and discredit your opponent. It's understandable why you're doing this right now, but we both know it's a ridiculous charge that won't hold any water in the end and is done solely for the purposes of uniting the base and casting doubt on the legitimacy of whoever wins. We did the same thing in 2004, and you see where that got us."

    It's no mystery why either side would do this when their guy is losing. It IS a mystery why the Republicans would act like it's a surprise that Democrats are responding the way we are.

    My personal fundraiser page: http://my.barackobama.com/page/outreach/view/main/gmth

    by gmarasco on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 11:59:00 AM PDT

  •  Lying verbal bully in a huge gold cross, she's (0+ / 0-)

    a walking, talking piece of blasphemy.  Truly disgusting.

  •  John Flannery and Gil Chesterton (0+ / 0-)

    (the foppish theatre critic on Frasier) - separated at birth

    Photobucket

    Having credibility when making an argument is the straightest path to persuasion.

    by SpamNunn on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 12:00:30 PM PDT

  •  I'm a data scrubber (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm a data scrubber for a company that's in the process of switching databases and I can confirm that 1) databases are messy 2) de-duping and verifying data really does require a human touch 3) generally end-users of the data are expected to be fairly forgiving and one needs to have built in mechanisms to bypass some of the rigidity of the master data.

  •  I do not... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    have cable TV and I'm glad. I can't watch Fox News and I'm glad. This is the sorriest type of journalism (if you can call it that). If this is what passes for an interview on FOX, why would anyone watch? She asks questions, but if the answer is different from her predetermined biases she talks over them. This show should be billed as an opinion piece not as an interview. I was struck by the fact she kept trying to put words in his mouth. Things like - "I'm sure you agree with this." When he didn't agree she just refused to let him speak. So much for intelligent discourse. Never mind that he was telling the truth and she was just spinning...wrong, not spinning lying. I also love the way when she couldn't get him to change his mind she threw it back on the democrats.

    The chances of someone committing voter fraud (not registration fraud),is about the same as getting struck by lightening. Also, there is a republican effort going on to register people as repugs or changing registers by chicanery and deceit.

  •  I recently moved to Ohio and registered to vote (0+ / 0-)

    through the mail. My last name ends with man and is frequently misread to end in son.

    Apparently whoever processed my voter registration form entered my name as the -son version (Clearly incorrect but they're entering thousands of these a day, right?).

    Luckily I went in to vote early before the registration deadline expired and was able to re-do the entire registration process so that I was registered under the correct name. Not exactly voter fraud.

    Thankfully most are recognizing the attempts to suppress voters for what they are this time around.

  •  All these Repugs interrupt! (2+ / 0-)
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    They can't win their argument through actual logic, facts, or law, so they interrupt and shout down the opponent.  Ingraham does it here, McCain does it in the debates; it's everywhere.  It's dirty, nasty and rude.  I want our side to start saying - "Shut it!  You get your turn to respond when I am done making my point!"  You can't be polite to someone who is rudely interrupting you.  You have to call them on it.  I don't think Flannery got a chance to make any of his points.

  •  The only fraud here is Laura Ingraham (0+ / 0-)

    McCain: Palin' By Comparison

    by Professor Fate on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 12:42:02 PM PDT

  •  Flannery didn't debunk anything (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    obiterdictum

    He barely got a word in.  He didn't point out the fact that the US attorneys got fired for not prosecuting fictitious voter fraud cases.  He didn't explain why registration fraud doesn't equal voter fraud.  Other than that, consider Ingraham "debunked."

    "The old boy's network. In the McCain campaign, that's called a staff meeting."

    by Simian on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 12:42:33 PM PDT

  •  Why isn't the Obama campaign defending ACORN? (0+ / 0-)

    I just saw Chris Kofinis on CNN respond to Brad Blakeman's charge that ACORN was committing vote fraud, yawn, and Kofinis gave the most weaselly non-answer I've heard. Something about McCain being all negative when people have real problems. SAY WHAT? If I didn't know better, I'd think, hey, damn, ACORN MUST be stealing the election. I don't understand what he was doing. At all.

    I expected Senator Obama in the debate, and Kofinis this afternoon, to explain to the American people that ACORN pays people to register voters, that the law requires them to turn in flawed applications, and that they actually flag them before they turn them in? And that, duh, Mickey Mouse can't vote anyway? That this is $8 hr employees trying to make their quota? How hard is that? Senator Obama offered some lame bromide about how "we aren't connected to ACORN," and let it go at that.

    The Obama campaign has allowed the McCain campaign to frame the ACORN story unopposed. It seems like a no-brainer to simply educate the voters with the truth every time the subject is raised. WHY AREN'T THEY DOING IT?

    I know how smart Obama's people are, and I'm filled with awe at this campaign, but would someone please PLEASE explain this to me? Like I'm a four-year-old?

  •  back to minor leagues (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    He's obviously not ready for cable news shows.  You have to be fast on your feet and to-the-point -- immediately to-the-point.  This isn't a lecture class.  It's a screaming mouth with talking points divorced from facts who isn't going to give you more than 10 seconds at a time to say something.  If you can't make your argument in 10 seconds, or correct the screaming mouth's mistatements in 10 seconds, you're not ready for this.

  •  Laura has no point. (0+ / 0-)

    Her entire claim is that if it was a Republican supporting group getting bogus registrations, that the New York Times would be all over it.

    Well... every single media outlet in America IS all over it, including the New York Times.

    So what's her problem?

    Her problem is that in "being all over it," they found out that Laura's complaints are a load of bullshit.

    Her problem is that she doesn't like being confronted with reality because her worldview's foundations are structurally rooted in horse manure.

  •  John Flannery is my new hero. He crushed her. (0+ / 0-)

    Like a grape.

  •  Is this snark? (0+ / 0-)

    Ingraham isn't stupid. She clerked for Justice Thomas

    Love that "power of the purse!" It looks so nice up there on the mantle (and not the table) next to the "subpoena power."

    by Sacramento Dem on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 01:42:40 PM PDT

  •  offer rewards for whistleblowers on vote fraud (0+ / 0-)

    that may dissuade participants even if no one whistles.

    a  big part of this ACORN scam is to encourage republican  faithful to get involved revengewise in GOP vote stealing and protesting after the election

    ignoring the talk radio monopoly continues to be the biggest political blunder in decades

    by certainot on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 02:09:48 PM PDT

  •  It never ceases to amaze (0+ / 0-)

    me how conservative talkshow hosts talk right over their guests to the point in which I'm so frustrated for these guests that I'm actually rooting for one of them to one day stand up in the middle of the interview and say the following: "Why did you bother to invite me on this program if you had no intention of letting me finish a sentence let alone offer an opinion."

    Then I'd like to see the guest stand up take off his or her microphone and walk off the set.

    Laura Ingram is such a jack&ss!

    Bipartisanship isn't going to happen as long as one of America's two great parties believes that when it comes to politics, stupidity is the best policy.

    by War Horse on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 02:24:25 PM PDT

  •  I won't watch it all. (0+ / 0-)

    Ingraham is just barking (think rottweiler) talking points so loud the guy can't get a word in edgewise.

    Fuck Laura, Katherine Harris, Ann Coulter, Bible Spice, and Michelle Bachman, please.  

    It's the fascism, stupid!

    by lastman on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 02:39:38 PM PDT

  •  According to Mark Crispin Miller on Bill Moyers (0+ / 0-)

    Journal last night, the fake outrage over ACORN is not an attempt to excuse a possible GOP loss, it is a cover-up for the massive and deliberate campaign of voter suppression that's been getting more and more pervasive and complex in recent years.  It's much more than an attempt to anticipate a November loss; it's a way of hiding a massive, deliberate, and highly orchestrated crime behind the series of tiny crimes perpetrated by ACORN canvassers.

    http://www.pbs.org/...

  •  Who CARES if people "register" multiple times? (0+ / 0-)

    I can submit a dozen voter registrations with the same name and address. That's not fraud. I still only get to cast one vote because all the extra ones just get superseded by the most recent one.

    conscietious objector in the battle of the sexes

    by plymouth on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:13:22 PM PDT

  •  Why does Faux News have guest experts? (0+ / 0-)

    Once it became obvious that Flannery was going to refute her anti-Democratic attacks, Ingraham did not let him finish a sentence.  He allowed himself to get derailed from his main point: fraudulent names do not lead to fraudulent ballots.  Ingraham immediately throws in the red herring of "ballots" when it's registration, not ballots, that are the problem.

    If I were Flannery, I would have suggested that she let me finish speaking, or she could finish the interview as a monologue.  Clearly she only wants Flannery there as a strawman to muddle the distinction between registration and votes.

    It's like the difference between fraudulently registering for a class and receiving a bogus degree.

  •  so Laura where were you when (0+ / 0-)

    massive voter supression helped the Republicans?

    My head hurts from listening to Lauren Ingraham - I can readily image a judged gavel hitting the desk multiple times trying to get her to SHUT UP.

    I wonder if she went into talk radio to pay her (possible) contempt of court fines

    PROTECT YOUR VOTE - learn how and tell friends & family http://www.stealbackyourvote.com and http://wakeupandsaveyourcountry.com/

    by Clytemnestra on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:45:34 PM PDT

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