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So, now that a Republican has been arrested and charged with voter registration fraud, I'm sure that the GOP will be claiming that Republicans are trying to "rig the election," right?

SACRAMENTO -- The owner of a firm that the California Republican Party hired to register tens of thousands of voters this year was arrested in Ontario late last night on suspicion of voter registration fraud.

State and local investigators allege that Mark Jacoby fraudulently registered himself to vote at a childhood California address where he no longer lives so he would appear to meet the legal requirement that signature gatherers be eligible to vote in California.

Jacoby's arrest by state investigators and the Ontario Police Department comes after dozens of voters said they were duped into registering as Republicans by his firm, Young Political Majors, or YPM. The voters said YPM tricked them by saying they were signing a petition to toughen penalties against child molesters. The firm was paid $7 to $12 for every Californian it registered as a member of the GOP.

Oh, that's right. When fraud is committed against ACORN, that's Democrats trying to steal an election.  When Republicans are arrested for voter registration fraud, that's a different story...

Calitics has more:

This arrest comes on the heels of recent media coverage of YPM's fraudulent tactics sometimes known as "slamming" - where voters are duped into changing their party registrations, or where their registration is simply changed by YPM without the voter's knowledge.

This is how the GOP scheme is orchestrated:

SACRAMENTO -- Dozens of newly minted Republican voters say they were duped into joining the party by a GOP contractor with a trail of fraud complaints stretching across the country.

Voters contacted by The Times said they were tricked into switching parties while signing what they believed were petitions for tougher penalties against child molesters. Some said they were told that they had to become Republicans to sign the petition, contrary to California initiative law. Others had no idea their registration was being changed.

"I am not a Republican," insisted Karen Ashcraft, 47, a pet-clinic manager and former Democrat from Ventura who said she was duped by a signature gatherer into joining the GOP. "I certainly . . . won't sign anything in front of a grocery store ever again."

It is a bait-and-switch scheme familiar to election experts. The firm hired by the California Republican Party -- a small company called Young Political Majors, or YPM, which operates in several states -- has been accused of using the tactic across the country.

The Times randomly interviewed 46 of the hundreds of voters whose election records show they were recently re-registered as Republicans by YPM, and 37 of them -- more than 80% -- said that they were misled into making the change or that it was done without their knowledge.

As Calitics notes, "Jacoby's arrest does not stem from those specific charges, which are still under investigation, but the fact that Jacoby himself was fraudulently registered is damning."

So, let's recap.

  • Number of Democrats arrested on voter registration fraud: 0
  • Number of Republicans arrested on voter registration fraud: 1

Not that facts matter to the GOP, which is clinging to the ACORN faux scandal in an attempt to delegitimatize a possible Obama victory.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:15 AM PDT.

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  •  asdf (17+ / 0-)

    YPM, threatening the very fabric of our democracy...

    If you hear the dogs, keep going. If you see the torches in the woods, keep going. If there's shouting after you, keep going. Don't ever stop. Keep going.

    by Whore More Years on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:16:41 AM PDT

  •  huh facts? clap louder, clap louder. nt (4+ / 0-)

    Republicans are not a national party anymore. Read My Lips: One Spouse, One House.

    by jalapeno on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:16:45 AM PDT

  •  But he didn't use Mickey Mouse or Cowboys! (3+ / 0-)

    Let's see John McCain and Sarah Palin avoid this issue. Will they dare knock their own kind for doing this?

  •  one correction (2+ / 0-)
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    Words In Action, p gorden lippy

    Possible = Probable

    :)

  •  Let's see how much media play this gets (5+ / 0-)

    When Republicans tamper with votes, it's somehow just not the same.

    "So much time and so little to do. Wait a minute. Strike that. Reverse it."- Willie Wonka

    by crystal eyes on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:17:46 AM PDT

  •  Say it ain't so! (2+ / 0-)
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    Losty, p gorden lippy

    Someone from the GOP involved in voter fraud, that's crazy.  It's only those lefty liberals who do bad things.

    I haven't seen this running on the MSM.  Has anyone?

    Whether you like it or not, WE ARE ALL AMERICANS!!!

    by lostinamerica2711 on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:17:55 AM PDT

  •  Tried this bait and switch in Mass. too (3+ / 0-)

    In Mass. ReThugs have tried this tactic to get controversial referenda on the ballot such as banning gay marriage by getting people into signing fake petitions to end animal cruelty or something similar. Of course, the GOP cried voter fraud so we could ignore their scheme.

  •  Rule of thumb................. (11+ / 0-)

    ...........anything a Republican accuses Democrats of, he (the REpublican) is guilty of actually doing.

  •  Could you just imagine (3+ / 0-)

    how the republicans and their media friends would be playing this up had it been a democrat that was arrested for voter fraud.

    "If BS were currency, Palin would be able to bail out Wall Street by herself." Kathleen Parker

    by pollbuster on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:20:04 AM PDT

  •  key quote: (6+ / 0-)

    The firm hired by the California Republican Party -- a small company called Young Political Majors, or YPM, which operates in several states -- has been accused of using the tactic across the country.

    damning indeed.

    "after the Rapture, we get all their shit"

    It's time: the albany project.

    by lipris on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:20:20 AM PDT

    •  The point is, this isn't necessarily a GOP tactic (0+ / 0-)

      its the way YPM does business.  GOP is getting fucked, just like ACORN got fucked.  As far as I can tell, YPM does work with mostly RW organizations, and apparently they did some work for Ralph Nader, but this sounds more like YPM is fucking their customers, not part of a some greater strategy.

      Sorry to piss people off, but without additional proof, this is no more a GOP/CRP attempt to disfranchise voters than the fraud practiced on ACORN was a voter registration fraud attempt by ACORN.

      •  NOT! YPM was RE-hired and paid $12 per sig!! (0+ / 0-)

        THat is complicity!
        Intentional fraud!
        THey may scream plausible deniability,
        but,
        GOP = GUILTY as charged!

        Time to expose the cockroaches with a little light!
        It's kinda fun to see them scurry and run...

        "A lie repeated, may be accepted as fact, but the truth repeated becomes self evident." -Elonifer Skyhawk

        by Fireshadow on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 08:37:32 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Greta van Susteren has promised to investigate! (3+ / 0-)

    ...at roughly the same time as pigs fly...

    Whenever there is a war to be fought, those who are the most likely to fight it are the least likely to gain from it.

    by Jank2112 on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:20:33 AM PDT

  •  Will (7+ / 0-)

    CNN cover this with ACORNesque  vigor???

    FYI the story received small mention on MSNBC featuring legal analyst Susan Filan.

  •  what it says (0+ / 0-)

    is the GOP is on it's Heels or down to one knee if you will. they couldn't scare most americans with the "he is black" bit or "he maybe a serect Muslim terrorist" so they have to do something, something that isn't going to work for them either. The American people have finally awoken from the TV induced coma to see their nations is FUCKED UP now and shouldn't be so.

    "we think about it, we talk about, we dream about, all the time because we are afraid that the world will implode on it's on evil nature otherwise"

    by red states blues on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:22:19 AM PDT

  •  Well, well! More projection BS from the GOP. . . (1+ / 0-)
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    ...re ACORN.

    Fuck 'em with a screwdriver.

    Republicans Suck Like A Hoover

    by BaritoneWoman on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:22:51 AM PDT

  •  And, of course, Diane Rehm continues to flog... (3+ / 0-)

    . . . "ACORN" as a (in her words) "front and center issue".

    Gad.

    bg
    ________________

    "We in the gloam, old buddy," he said, "We definitely right in the middle of it." -Larry Brown

    by BenGoshi on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:22:59 AM PDT

  •  Well, yeah (7+ / 0-)

    Don't they always project future guilty behavior by accusing Democrats of doing the very same thing?

    Yes, yes they do. Projection now, projection tomorrow, projection forever!

  •  In today's economy (2+ / 0-)
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    st minutia, orangeuglad

    I'd register as a Republican for $7 to $12. But that wouldn't leave any cash for YPM, now would it?

    Hell, I'd even vote in the primary. Wage a one man write-in campaign for "Any Democrat running against this imbecilic butt-weed."

    You have selected "clumsy bludgeoning." For $10.oo would you like your eyes scooped out with a melon-baller? You are now dead.

    by SecondComing on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:24:52 AM PDT

  •  Neutralizing ACORN (4+ / 0-)

    Now every Dem talking head has an easy retort.  One step closer to the White House.

  •  Grandstanding, however, seems to be much louder (1+ / 0-)
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    than tangible evidence, and the GOP is masterful at hyping above its own crimes.

    I hope that this one gets amplified.

    :::::

  •  Political mafia (6+ / 0-)

    The Republican Party is a crime family. They need to be destroyed, for the good of America, and the world.

  •  This happened in 2006 too (2+ / 0-)
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    and left me wondering why they would switch someone's registration. It doesn't change how that person can vote in the general election.

    Is it done in order to cover up election fraud? Just wondering what other people's thoughts are on this.

    •  It might prevent (0+ / 0-)

      the victim from voting in the next primary.

      What's the difference between Vietnam and Iraq? Bush knew how to get out of Vietnam.

      by happy camper on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:29:06 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I covered this in my rescued diary (4+ / 0-)

      my thoughts:

      Now the lying itself is bad, and even according to the article the re-registering as Republicans is not actually illegal, since voters can still vote for anyone they want. But what I think the article misses is that by taking updated registrations for Democrats, and submitting them, the GOP is creating a situation where there may be two conflicting registrations for these voters. We already know that the biggest issue in voter roll purges is simple clerical errors, handwriting and misspellings.

      The GOP has been using these type of errors all over the country to try to clear Democrats off the rolls. With varying degrees of success. But here you see a possible method of creating these errors, to be exploited in a later purge.

      That is what is see missed by the LA Times in this story. Another possible way to help with voter purges in the future, aside from the other dirty tricks. If they are doing similar drives in other democratic areas of the country, it could explain the targeting of purges, once they know there are sufficient additional errors.

      I hope I'm wrong.

      •  You may well have the right of it. (3+ / 0-)
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        This would be very useful in purging rolls at the last minute.  It may also (as I've seen other suggest elsewhere when the YPM story first hit) it could also be used after the election to justify outright election theft.  If the number of registered Republicans suddenly grows by Democrats changing registration right before the election, then if the Republican wins they can point to that "statistic" (read that as Twain did) and say "see, it wasn't election fraud, it's just that people decided at the last minute to change because of [fill in the blank with whichever attack line they happen to like.]"  It's subtle and nasty, as long as you don't get caught at it.

        It also makes the ACORN allegations seem even more nefarious than a simple purge and illegitimize scheme.  Those would be excellent misdirections from doing exactly what YPM has done.  I'm thinking that the stink of the Turdblossom is on this.

        History has a well known reality bias.

        by Stwriley on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:39:24 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  registering Mickey Mouse (2+ / 0-)
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    or even registering the same person over and over in the same address, cannot possibly turn into votes.

    But the bait and switch GOP party registration scheme removed votes from Dems in the primaries and exposed Indys to tons of lies via their direct mail smear campaigns.

    But, IOKIYAR

    The biggest threat to America is not communism, it's moving America toward a fascist theocracy... -- Frank Zappa

    by NCrefugee on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:29:06 AM PDT

  •  Rove 101 (5+ / 0-)

    ALWAYS accuse your opponent of what you've been doing.

  •  Republican involved in fraud = (2+ / 0-)
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    SteamPunkX, Words In Action

    ... dog bites man.

    Republican arrested for fraud = man bites dog.

    Traditional press covers GOP fraud = man bites alligator.

    Republican convicted of fraud = man gives birth to alien baby.

    John McCain: Getting Terrorists off America's Lawn since 1880

    by pat208 on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:32:20 AM PDT

  •  What's the point of this? (0+ / 0-)

    I'm confused, what's the point of this?  Why maliciously change peoples party affiliation?  It's not going to change how they vote come November.

    Is it just to make the New Registration numbers look more even?  Is it to disallow them from voting in primaries?  Is it simply an annoyance aimed at Democratic voters?

    I can see the tin foil hat response, i.e. that hacking the registration numbers makes the defense easier in the case of a stolen election by the Republicans, but that seems pretty far fetched, especially in California.

    So, what do the Republicans gain from this (had they not been caught)?

    •  The Repubs don't gain anything. (1+ / 0-)
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      The people that gain by this are the contractors like YPM and JSM who are defrauding the groups that employee them.  YPM and JSM both have a long, proud history of contracting to collect signatures and then either turning in bad signatures, or taking the money, trashing the signatures, and heading out of town.

      This isn't a GOP/CRP plot as much as it is their incompetence in hiring these people.

      This kind of thing really does dilute the attacks on ACORN, not because "the 'thugs do it too", but because paying for signature collection is inherently an invitation to be cheated.

    •  They are apparently changing the status of the (4+ / 0-)

      voters also, from comments made in the LA Times article.

      Some also report having their registration status changed to absentee without their permission; if they show up at the polls without a ballot they may be unable to vote.

      2008, the Year the Republican Party dissolved into a puddle of goo

      by shpilk on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:53:42 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Yes, the possible voter supression aspect (0+ / 0-)

        seems to me to be the ultimate goal.

        I think, therefore i'm Liberal.

        by Geoff D on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 08:04:49 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Confusion, discouraging people to vote (1+ / 0-)
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          scrutinizer

          and generally causing mayhem are the hallmarks of the Republican efforts.

          They jam phone lines on election day.
          They lie to FBI agents when confronted.
          They ask computer programmers to write programs to change election results.

          Criminals who should be locked away.

          2008, the Year the Republican Party dissolved into a puddle of goo

          by shpilk on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 08:26:13 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  You're absolutely right about that (0+ / 0-)

            even if I'm more cautious about saying that the YPM thing is definitely a CRP tactic.  

            Voter suppression efforts by the GOP can't be denied, and I hope the new DoJ will be more active in actually prosecuting real cases of voter suppression.

  •  Pot, Kettle Calling, Says You're a FELON. Nt (3+ / 0-)
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    Eman, Stwriley, st minutia
  •  FRAUD OF THE CENTURY!!! (2+ / 0-)
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    Donkey Hotey, orangeuglad

    THEFT OF DEMOCRACY!!!!!!

    •  the no-shit voter disfranchisement issue (0+ / 0-)

      was, is, and will continue to be gerrymandering.  These registration frauds (which are mostly frauds perpetrated against the organizations that contract out these signature collection tasks, and not aqainst the electorate itself) don't account for any significant vote fraud.

      The loser in the YPM case is the CRP, just like the loser in the ACORN case is ACORN.

      Gerrymandering affects a lot more of us a lot longer than any false registration/slamming scheme.

      •  ACORN is not a 'loser in the case' as (1+ / 0-)
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        Fireshadow

        they have complied with State and Federal Law as an organization. Their policies are clear, and they have warned registrars of the vote in cases where they thought forms were falsely attested to.

        You are comparing apples and oranges here.

        2008, the Year the Republican Party dissolved into a puddle of goo

        by shpilk on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:56:23 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Not what I meant. (0+ / 0-)

          I meant primarily that ACORN got cheated out of the money it paid to its signature gatherers.  I don't think ACORN is guilty of anything, except maybe for quality control.

          I also think that the biggest loser in the YPM-CRP case is CRP, for the same reason.  The only difference between the two is that ACORN as an organization had no intent to defraud anyone, while I think that YPM went into their arrangement with CRP intending to defraud CRP.

          I don't think that at this point it's possible to tie YPM's actions to some malevolent CRP plot.  Not that I wouldn't like to see CRP/GOP get it up the patoot with a rusty chainsaw, it's just that we need more proof that saying "YPM was associated with the CRP, YPM did bad, therefore it was a Republican plot."

          Now for anyone with an ounce of sense, this incident shows that the ACORN thing has been blown up out of all proportion; that as long as we continue to allow people to pay for collecting petition signatures and voter registration we're opening a door to this kind of scam.

          •  The CRP paid YPM, so tying them to each (0+ / 0-)

            other is sort of academic. The Republican Party is quite familiar with Mr Jacoby's past, as well.

            2008, the Year the Republican Party dissolved into a puddle of goo

            by shpilk on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 08:27:54 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Can't agree with you there, shpilk. (0+ / 0-)

              It's not academic.  CRP paid YPM, ACORN paid it's "bad" signature collectors.  

              We know that ACORN never had any intent to turn in false registrations.  They are a bipartisan group that has clearly been taken advantage of by a few bad employees---the employees themselves tell stories of making up registration so that they could get paid.  Clearly a case of ACORN getting duped.

              We don't know about the relationship between CRP and YPM.  We don't know whether CRP paid YPM to screw around with the registration process, or whether this was all an intent to defraud CRP on YPM's part.  You can infer bad intent on the part of CRP, but that's mostly a guilt by association thing. That might be okay to start a criminal conspiracy argument, but we need to know more about what went on between Jacoby and the CRP.  

              I think that California might want to make that case. Jacoby's arrest wasn't for anything he did with YPM and CRP, it was for making a false registration and statement on his own part. I think the arrest is an attempt to put pressure on Jacoby to get more info on what YPM did, and whether there were actually ties to the CRP.

              Until we know more, talking about this as a Republican scandal is just shouting "Neener, neener, neener."  Instead of that, I'd rather we focus on cleaning up the voter registration process to make these types of cases go away.

  •  I hope the first priority . . . (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Words In Action

    . . . of any new Democratic government, and of any expanded Democratic presence in the states, is the absolute security of each ballot in every future election. It's good government, and it's good in particular for the Democratic Party.

    And it would be easy to defend publicly, both to decent people and to those morons who are falling for the ACORN-scandal horseshit.

    Beyond that, I hope that aggressive redistricting -- in the manner of shithole DeLay, but even more over-the-top, and more ruthlessly partisan -- becomes a major part of this effort.

    This will be less defensible, perhaps, in terms of electoral fairness, but it will send a headlights-to-the-eyes signal to Rethugs that the gloves are off, finally, once and for all, and if they refuse in the future to behave like human beings, they will receive a blizzard of hard punches to the fucking face until they decide to do so.

    I want to make the Rethugs quake in terror at the prospect of anyone ever again starting down this road of vote suppression for partisan gain.

    No matter if this election is won by a landslide, we turn the other cheek to these jackals only at the peril of humanity's future.

    The Republican Party: Because the other side of the bell curve deserves representation too.

    by bluehawaii on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:37:25 AM PDT

  •  This is being studiously ignored by the corporate (1+ / 0-)
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    Words In Action

    media, as we all know, or being inaccurately reported.

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    Fox is reporting this now, and twists and distorts the story into a 'tit for tat' op-ed.

    http://elections.foxnews.com/...

    According to The Los Angeles Times, Jacoby's firm was paid $7 to $12 by the CRP for each GOP voter registration signature, but dozens of voters who signed on said they were duped into registering as Republicans and thought they were signing a petition to toughen penalties against child molesters.

    The CRP called the arrest "politically motivated."

    "The fact that these charges are being leveled against an individual operating in a highly-contested area of California, and the significant gap between recent allegations and the charges we've seen today suggests that this is politically motivated," reads a statement by the party.

    It also claims Bowen, a recipient of donations from the embattled ACORN voter registration group, is trying to "achieve maximum political benefit and deflect attention from the Democratic presidential nominee's high-profiled problems and associations with the radical community activist group ACORN.

    They don't even bother to hide the bias in their reporting, it might as well be paid by the RNC itself.

    Not a mention of changed voter registrations is made in the "news article".

    Fox News: 'We distort' .. and I deride.

    2008, the Year the Republican Party dissolved into a puddle of goo

    by shpilk on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:38:06 AM PDT

  •  After this election, the Diebold contracts MUST (4+ / 0-)
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    BR Janet, Stwriley, wendyg, RomeyDa

    be unilaterally renegotiated or declared unconstitutional by Presidential Directive.

    The machine code must be made available to government engineers, rigorously and routinely tested.

    The machines must be made at least as reliable, secure and verifiable as your average ATM.

    One diligent (Republican) town clerk her in Utah had the sense of iniative and responsibility to his duty as an election official to have his machines tested by a third party. The machines failed on all three criteria mentioned above. Diebold was outraged and threatened to sue Utah. Utah officials, of course, fired the clerk and promised to obey Diebold's contractual demands.

    How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.

    by Words In Action on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:38:43 AM PDT

  •  24/7 Bias reporting by FAUX ? YEA RIGHT (0+ / 0-)

    Like Acorn....

  •  Great find, georgia! (1+ / 0-)
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    orangeuglad

    Now if we can only arrest the Diebold group and the rest of computer vote-hackers.

    "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska" -- Gov. Sarah Palin

    by makemefree on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:43:04 AM PDT

  •  Meanwhile NPR Diane Rheme 2nd Acorn Show (1+ / 0-)
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    is on now, voter fraud historically a major problem, thousands of fraudulent registrations, yadda yadda.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:44:42 AM PDT

  •  as long as dems ignore the talk radio monopoly (2+ / 0-)
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    scrutinizer, Words In Action

    the double standard will continue.

    the ACORN charade was blasting across the country weeks before it hit the big time in the mainstream and a searchable transcript of the main blowhards would have shown were the coordinated PR effort was heading. (same as last elections on a smaller level).

    if this real case of vote fraud makes it anywhere the same talk radio monopoly blasting from 1000 stations to 60MIL with coordinated uncontested repetition will do the other thing it also has been doing so well for 20 years, make other stories dissapear or offer a smorgasbord of excuses for rationalizing them.

    ignoring the talk radio monopoly continues to be the biggest political blunder in decades

    by certainot on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:46:12 AM PDT

    •  One of the first actions Congress needs to (6+ / 0-)

      address is media monopolies and the Fairness Doctrine.

      Flush the FCC Board.

      2008, the Year the Republican Party dissolved into a puddle of goo

      by shpilk on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:58:40 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  EXACTLY. The internet alternative media (4+ / 0-)
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      solution MUST be translated to radio, TV and radio.

      In many markets, there are no outlets other than NPR to counter corporate media skullduggery.

      The 1996 Telecommunications Act and its successors laws and FCC practices, which have led to the mass consolidation and monopolization of media by a few corporations and the demise of many, many independents and the entire notion of public ownership of the airwaves that carry legal responsibilities to the public, MUST be rescinded in order to re-establish

      1. investigative journalism, which has been slashed for corporate talking points infomercial journalism,
      1. journalistic integrity free from corporate intimidation,
      1. open, multi-source media markets, and
      1. equal access to media outlets for all political candidates as a responsibility.

      How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.

      by Words In Action on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 08:07:26 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  sometimes you wake up and the news just parodies (2+ / 0-)
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    BR Janet, orangeuglad

    itself.

    The future isn't what somebody else tells us it is. The future is what we decide it's going to be.--- Barack H.Obama

    by Fe Bongolan on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:46:17 AM PDT

  •  CA Republican party has always been (2+ / 0-)
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    llamaRCA, orangeuglad

    cursed with teh stupid.

    The future isn't what somebody else tells us it is. The future is what we decide it's going to be.--- Barack H.Obama

    by Fe Bongolan on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:47:29 AM PDT

    •  It's not just CA. (1+ / 0-)
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      NH had PhoneGate in 2002. Ohio had Ken Blackwell. There's been similar reports of systemic corruption in Republican activities in NV, AZ, FL, TX, MA, NJ.

      Name the State, I'll bet one can dig up a case where officials of the Republican Party are directly involved with felonies. It's just takes a little looking.

      2008, the Year the Republican Party dissolved into a puddle of goo

      by shpilk on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 08:03:34 AM PDT

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  •  Can the news report on this ad nauseum for me? (1+ / 0-)
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    I'd really like that in this case

    42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot. A Wrightism

    by publicv on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:50:34 AM PDT

  •  Not a peep from Fox News I'm guessing (1+ / 0-)
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    Ha Ha Ha !

    "John Mc Cain was wrong and Barack Obama has been proven right." ~ Joe Biden DNC Convention 08 addressing major issues facing America

    by WeBetterWinThisTime on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:53:12 AM PDT

  •  Just like ACORN (0+ / 0-)

    The fraud is the service provider defrauding the customer. Whether it's an ACORN canvasser recording fake names and addresses or a contractor "registering" people as republicans, there's no impact on the election. Just on the pocketbook of the person committing the fraud.

    Robert Kuttner stops by to talk about Obama's Challengeat Virtually Speaking on September 18th

    by JayAckroyd on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:56:50 AM PDT

    •  No, it's not 'just like ACORN' at all. (3+ / 0-)
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      ACORN has guidelines and reports suspected bogus forms to the government agency - they cannot legally destroy or alter forms once submitted.

      ACORN as an organization never mislead the people they approached: there may have been idiots working for them who created fraudulent forms. More likely, Republican operatives deliberately falsified these registration forms, to set up the situation to begin with.

      YPM's intent was to mislead the people they approached; the fraud was a premeditated, deliberate act.  

      2008, the Year the Republican Party dissolved into a puddle of goo

      by shpilk on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 08:08:20 AM PDT

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    •  Right! Just like ACORN, but... (0+ / 0-)

      completely different. Nice try, though.

  •  Jacoby's mugshot looks like an internet predator (2+ / 0-)
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    vacuumslayer, Words In Action

    Has Chris Hansen ever met this guy in a kitchen?

  •  Lemons => Lemonade (0+ / 0-)

    Take that Republican't registration card down to the polls and vote the Democratic slate!!

  •  And, didn't I read that... (0+ / 0-)

    ... only 3% of the new registrations in CA (net) were Republicans?  Maybe that's only 2% after all?

    But I don't understand why the TV is saying the voters who got changed to (R) won't be able to vote?  That shouldn't apply for the General election.  It could have implications down the road, for eligibility to vote in primaries, or participate in Democratic party precinct elections and so on.  But it shouldn't make anyone ineligible to vote in the General Election, should it?

    John McCain voted against health care for kids.

    by Land of Enchantment on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:59:28 AM PDT

  •  Mr. Pot, Kettle here.... something about (0+ / 0-)

    those names you were calling?

    Not I-- not any one else, can travel that road for you, You must travel it for yourself.

    by xylia on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 08:00:19 AM PDT

  •  We were well aware of their methods (4+ / 0-)

    My wife and I confronted this group on a number of occasions outside shopping centers. They were doing exactly what was alleged. They tried to lure us into signing a petetion to toughen legislation against child molesters. When they asked us why we refused to sign it, we pointed out the ruse; to switch our party affiliation to the GOP. When they denied it, we dug under the initial petition and showed them. Both of those who were at the table denied this was their intention. Yeah, right. They're not called Republicons for nothing!

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana (1863-1952)

    by larbabe on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 08:07:31 AM PDT

  •  BILL FEENEY CULPABLE YEAR 2000 FL ELECTIONS (1+ / 0-)
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    Did anyone see this video of a whistleblower computer programmer that worked for Yang Enterprises and NASA in Tallahassee Fl and was asked by Tom Feeney, Speaker of the Fl State House, whether it would be possible to rig voting machines in such a way that they would give a 51-49 result for any election.

    Check out this youtube clip:

    http://www.youtube.com/...

    West Virginia is already reporting votes being switched from OBAMA to McCain on the electronic machines.

    And they have called the Third Army Brigade  to quell any protests in case we lose!

    We have turned into a Banana Republic!

  •  Their self-delusion is good news for our side (0+ / 0-)

    The longer they can convince themselves this is fraud, or some sort of Dolchstoßlegende, the longer it will take them to recover from their upcoming annihilation at the polls and turn themselves around to be a credible party of Government again.  As they turn on each other, let's grab popcorn.

  •  When will you learn that malfeasance is ok (0+ / 0-)

    so long as Repugs are doing it. DUH! Geez. Get on board. Accept it. Love it.

    Democratic non-scandal=hysterical 24/7 coverage
    Republican actual scandal=limp, reluctant semi-coverage

    It's the Trad media way!

    I'm just here to give DK hipster cred. "Vote" McCain

    by vacuumslayer on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 08:11:31 AM PDT

  •  This happened here in Ventura County, but... (1+ / 0-)
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    it is not the only thing that bothers me. I have been a poll worker in three past elections, both poll clerk and election inspector. I was passed over for service in the primary even though my precinct was short-handed. When I called the county registrar's office,I was told I had been dropped because of a controversy in which I was involved. Two elections back, we had a poll clerk who happily spent the morning giving voters the wrong ballots, rendering their votes invalid. Nice. When a voter finally had a meltdown in the middle of the room, I escorted her outside and asked what was wrong. She told me she had only come down to vote on the local water board election, and Bud wouldn't let her. He would only give her the other ballot.(Our polling place houses two precincts, and they are split not by precinct but alphabetically. People don't often know their precinct number, but most can spell their last names.) Several other voters voiced the same complaint. Once she explained, I went back in with her and explained to the poll clerk, and made sure she got the right ballot. Later in the day, he started doing it again, and I talked to him again, this time like a Dutch uncle. I filed a report with the roving inspector, who said she'd get back to me. She didn't. So I called the county office the next day, and they said they'd get back. They didn't. So I wrote a letter to the editor of the local paper, and then everybody got back to me. That's when I was dropped. I didn't find out until I asked to work this election. I was told, finally, that I would be re-instated conditionally. A week later, I got a letter saying my precinct had been re-designated "vote by mail only." When I inquired, I was told that precincts with fewer than 250 registered voters  were re-designated for economical reasons. I stated that in the three elections I had worked we never turned in fewer that 400 ballots. I was then told that it was because Ventura county precincts could not offer more than two different ballots, and local issues raised the number past what was permitted. I know we have offered as many as eight different ballots at our two precincts, and no matter how you slice it, one of them has more than two. I asked if I could surrender my mail-in at a polling place and vote in person (punchcard), I was told, yes, at the county government center, but that I would get the same ballot as I already had, because that precinct was also vote by mail only. Our mail-in - absentee ballots are read by that vulnerable to hacking pos, ES&S Optiscan. So I filled in my mail-in ballot and mailed it. When I began talking about this to friends and neighbors, I found that people who got mail-ins threw them away because they were going to vote at their precinct on election day, and didn't get the letter telling them they couldn't. If you want to vote in person in Ventura County, you have to live in a heavily republican precinct. Surprise, surprise.

  •  As the party of change (0+ / 0-)

    We should look to stamp out all voter fraud regardless of party. I am disappointed that so many of us are glossing over Acorn.

    •  The voter registration fraud was committed... (1+ / 0-)
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      aggressiveprogressive

      against ACORN, not by ACORN, and was, in fact, documented at street level by ACORN. ACORN turned in all registrations, as required by law, and noted the registrations they felt were dubious. The workers who submitted bad registration forms to pad their pay were fired. ACORN alerted the proper authorities, and ultimately no damage was done, except to ACORN. When the republicans make this big a fuss over this small a matter, you can bet your ass they're trying to divert somebody's attention.

      •  And don't forget (1+ / 0-)
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        socalmonk

        An invalid registration form is not voter fraud. That would require Mickey Mouse showing up at the polls and voting in an election where is is not legally qualified to do so. Like Saxby Chambliss did when his ballot was thrown out in 1996. (He cast a ballot in his congressional race using a false address. He actually resided outside the district.)

        Also, just to keep beating a dead horse, ACORN was required by law to turn over ALL registration forms to the registrar. They cannot determine unilaterally which forms are bogus. They can only give the list of registrations they find suspect to the registar or Secretary of State. But they HAVE TO turn in every single form.

        "She was very young,he thought,...she did not understand that to push an inconvenient person over a cliff solves nothing." -1984

        by aggressiveprogressive on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 09:01:47 AM PDT

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        •  Seriously, you missed the point (0+ / 0-)

          This is happening in too many states for me to believe some higher ups did not know about it. Maybe it is against ACORN, but whatever it is they need to change their policies to prevent it from happening again. We cannot just accuse the Repugs of this stuff if we do not clean up our own house. we talk all the time of electing better Democrats. We if we continue this crap we are just like the repugs.

          •  You are so wrong in so many ways. (1+ / 0-)
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            First, ACORN is not a Democratic group. So they are not "we", despite what the Republican voices in your head may tell you.

            Second, its not ACORNs "policies" that are a problem. The Federal government determines what can or can not or must be done in relation to voter registration processes. ACORN abides by the dictates of the Federal government in registering voters. Part of the requirement is that individuals fill out a registration form on their own. The registration-gathering group does not. The group must turn in WHATEVER the individual gives them. If the individual writes I AM MOSES in fecal matter, then that has to be turned over to the election officials. This is not vote fraud or election fraud. It is abiding by the law.

            ACORN has always turned in all cards after reviewing them. They also turn in a list of the registrants that they think look suspect. The election folks then have the duty to deal with follow-up. Again. This is called abiding by the law.

            And lastly, Higher ups did "know about it". That's why ACORN has consistently done exactly what they are supposed to do.

            I suppose my real question would be this- What do you think ACORN should do differently? NOT register voters? Because voter registration drives tend to be fairly unsuccessful when the registration part of the equation is omitted.

            "She was very young,he thought,...she did not understand that to push an inconvenient person over a cliff solves nothing." -1984

            by aggressiveprogressive on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 10:41:44 AM PDT

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            •  ACORN is on our side of the aisle (0+ / 0-)

              First I would stop paying by the registration form. I would stop requiring the workers to get quotas. It is one thing to turn in a registration of a voter it is entirely different when the employee of ACORN is the perpetrator. It just does not pass the smell test. Public perception is a fical thing. i am afraid we are being labeled the voter fraud party.

              Maybe its because I live in a deep red state and I am surrounded by repugs on all sides but in talking with them ACORN is a big deal and they plan to use it against. Why put ourselves through that?

  •  Read what you sign, people. (3+ / 0-)

    Don't believe some stranger sitting in front of a Safeway at a folding table as to what you're signing.  There is some responsibility to be assigned to the people who let themselves be duped by not reading what they were signing.

  •  Voter ID (0+ / 0-)

    Actually I would support a voter ID law- that the voter has to present a form of government issued ID.
    I have heard the argument that some voters do not have such ID. But I suspect that most people do have some ID.

    It seems to me like a reasonable form of identity verification.

  •  We have always been at war with Oceania (0+ / 0-)

    Look, what's THAT, over there!?

    Move along folks, no sense in living in the past and dealing with those persnickety "facts".

    " ... or a baby's arm holding an apple!"

    by Lavocat on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 08:20:36 AM PDT

  •  ???????????? (0+ / 0-)

    The firm was paid $7 to $12 for every Californian it registered as a member of the GOP.

    I spen a long afternnon registering 39 people at my local high school.

    Admittedly, IL doesn't have party registrations. But are these jokers really paying $7 per registration? They must be swimming in cash.

    "I'm not opposed to all wars; I'm opposed to dumb wars." -- Obama in 2002

    by Frank Palmer on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 08:25:19 AM PDT

  •  Excellent, now this will bump ACORN coverage (0+ / 0-)
    out of the news cycle!  

    LOL.  

    Actually, the first thought I had when seeing the ACORN smear was that the GOP is planning on stealing the election.  It's Rove's SOP - inoculate against charges of wrongdoing by accusing your opponent of doing what you plan to do or are already doing.  Then the dynamic is set up for an exchange that goes like, "he's hitting me!" "no, he's hitting ME!" and the media sticks with the first accusations.

    Presumably, Jacoby's fraud scheme is more of a side operation, with the main  thrust of GOP efforts aimed at purging voter rolls.  There is also the issue of election fraud perpetrated through the use of voting machines and/or central vote tabulating computers.  None of these methods will work unless it's a close election, so the solution is for Obama to crush McCain and then as president sick the Justice Department on GOP election fraud.  I trust Obama is one step ahead of all of us on this.

    "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

    by Subterranean on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 08:32:53 AM PDT

  •  amazing (0+ / 0-)

    Never surprised by the NeoCons, the nerve of them, to claim the ability to read minds, and steal elections again. They are playing the race card and trying to drive a race wedge in this country. They held Powell high regard, but once he speaks his mind, gives valid reasons for his decision, they say it is race based. Nonsense.

    Watch and forward the political short film/ad McCain does not want you to know the answer to? Can you solve the theorem..."The Thinking Man" http://www.youtube.com/...

  •  It is worth mentioning (0+ / 0-)

    that voter registration fraud =/= voter fraud, especially in this instance.  Just because someone got an "R" put on their voter registration doesn't mean they're going to vote for Republicans at the polls.  In fact, I would think that those who find out about it are likely to vote Democrat down the ticket, on principle.  So they only actually hurt themselves by doing this.

  •  Outright fraud- too bad it won't matter in CA (0+ / 0-)

    Hopefully this twit can try to recruit more republicans while he is bent over in a prison shower.

  •  I wonder how prop 8 got on the ballot...eom (0+ / 0-)

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