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It was a landslide.   Barack Obama crushed John McCain.  

But, you're going to have to contend with countless hacks, pundits, and others repeat the lie that it wasn't a landslide because the popular vote margin was 52.3 - 46.2.  

We had to listen to Mika B. continue her constant apologizing (does she have any other setting?) when she proclaimed the other day, "Let's get one thing clear, this was not a landslide."  She joins the esteemed company of Sean Hannity who has a forum on his site explaining why 3.6% margin (um, it's 6.1%) isn't a landslide.

Um, yes it was.   So let's explain why very simply so that you can tell your friends, family, local papers, or anyone else who pretends that this wasn't a landslide:

The president is voted on by electoral college.

The race is run with the goal of winning the electoral college.  

If the race were determined by popular vote, Obama would have spent more time in CA, NYC, and his home state of Illinois running up the score.

But that's not how we elect presidents.

Therefore each campaign ran multiple different campaigns on a state-by-state level with the goal of winning the electoral college.

On that score, Obama's total of 365 to McCain's 173 is literally more than twice as great.  That's a landslide.  If someone beats you by a score of more than 2 to 1, they crushed you.  If a football game's final score is 42 to 20, it's a rout.

Since the race for the White House was not based on popular vote and not run with that in mind by EITHER campaign, you cannot use it as a measure for whether or not this was a landslide.

There is only an electoral college.

It was a landslide.

It's really very simple.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Originally posted to dansac on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 01:52 PM PST.

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Comment Preferences

  •  It's obvious, I know, but tips for... (13+ / 0-)

    ...having an easily digestible response in case you hear this idiocy from anyone.

  •  Umm, Obama was turning states Blue that haven't (9+ / 0-)

    been blue since before the passage of the Civil Rights Act. I think that's a landslide AND a mandate.

    They are really grasping at straws.

    That's PRESIDENT (elect) BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA to you FAUX NEWS!

    by Muzikal203 on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 01:55:50 PM PST

  •  Rec'd for being (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    dansac, Katie71

    clear, concise & fun to read.  (heh: definitely a landslide)

    While lightening the tax burden for the rich, other parts of the Bush economic program continue to undermine the middle class in this country.--Molly Ivins

    by Youffraita on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 02:01:14 PM PST

  •  the reason i don't favor this is b/c the repubs (0+ / 0-)

    go on about reagan's landslide that wasn't really one.  it was an electoral college one, but that's all.
    also, it negate's all the info about gore's "win."

    look at this popular vote and vote percentage.
    landslide?  

    from wikipedia:

    Nominee Ronald Reagan Jimmy Carter
    Party     Republican Democratic
    Home state California Georgia
    Running mate George H. W. Bush Walter Mondale
    Electoral vote 489        49
    States carried 44        6+DC
    Popular vote 43,903,230 35,480,115
    Percentage 50.7%        41.0%

  •  I respectfully disagree (0+ / 0-)

    This was a big win, but I don't think that Obama could have "run up the score" significantly by playing in bigger states.

    The cold truth is that the country is in favor of a progressive agenda by a small majority.  The fact that Obama got a larger share of the popular vote than anyone since Reagan should not blind us to the fact that there are a lot of people not on board.

    Yes, we need to use the mandate and the congressional majorities we won in this election to push a progressive agenda forward, but we do have to keep up our outreach to the 46% that voted against us. (Or at least the 20% who voted against us who aren't complete flaming wingnuts.)

    Numbers are like people . . . Torture them enough and they'll tell you anything.

    by Actuary4Change on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 02:04:48 PM PST

    •  False (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Chi

      32% of Americans may call themselves "conservatives," but 58% think the government should be doing more.  

      32% of Americans may call themselves "conservatives," but 69% think the government should help care for those who can't help themselves.  

      32% of Americans may call themselves "conservatives," but 47% think it's the government's job to help reduce income disparity in this country.  

      32% of Americans may call themselves "conservatives," but 84% think raising the minimum wage is a good idea.  

      32% of Americans may call themselves "conservatives," but 71% think corporate taxes are too low, and 66% think the wealthy pay too little in taxes.  

      32% of Americans may call themselves "conservatives," but 60% think spending is a better way to stimulate the economy than tax cuts, and 53% think the Bush tax cuts weren't worth it.  

      32% of Americans may call themselves "conservatives," but 61% support embryonic stem cell research.  

      32% of Americans may call themselves "conservatives," but 56% oppose making abortions more difficult to obtain.  

      32% of Americans may call themselves "conservatives," but 89% think homosexuals should have equal rights in this country.  

      32% of Americans may call themselves "conservatives," but 60% think the federal government should more tightly restrict the kinds of guns you can own.  

      32% of Americans may call themselves "conservatives," but 65% think attacking social problems is a better solution to crime than more law enforcement.  

      32% of Americans may call themselves "conservatives," but 86% think it's the government's responsibility to develop alternative fuels for cars, and 84% believe we need tougher pollution laws, and 60% are willing to pay more taxes to make that happen.

      32% of Americans may call themselves "conservatives," but 49% think the way to deal with illegal immigration is to punish those who hire illegals.  Only 9% want a fence.  

      32% of Americans may call themselves "conservatives," but 69% think it's the government's responsibility to ensure that everyone has healthcare, and 60% are willing to pay higher taxes to make that happen.  

      (From the recent diary by Grand Moff Texan

      •  You can pick and choose poll numbers (0+ / 0-)

        but 46% of the country voted for McCain-Palin.

        I'm not saying that we shouldn't persue any of the items on the list above, just that we should recognize that there are plenty of people who disagree.

        I'd like to see us actually establish a permanent progressive majority by implementing progressive policies that work, carefully creating more and more consensus as we do so.  

        I think it is a matter of tone as much as policy.

        Numbers are like people . . . Torture them enough and they'll tell you anything.

        by Actuary4Change on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 08:36:07 PM PST

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  •  Thank you! (0+ / 0-)

    Some of the punditry have a serious problem with defining what counts as reality.  I think they don't believe that Obama won yet.  I really do--and they don't know what to do with themselves, so they revert to spouting nonsense about centre-right and whatnot.

    Their bubble universe is still there, but luckily we've got champions like Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow out there.

    Reality does indeed have a liberal bias...

    "It's better to vote for what you want, and not get it, than to vote for what you don't want, and get it." Eugene Debs, 1912.

    by cybrestrike on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 02:31:00 PM PST

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