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(Note updated to correct math error I made in Cottage Grove precinct)Senator Norm Coleman's lead over Al Franken shrunk again from 206 to 204 votes after counties from all over Minnesota turned in their audits Friday.  The hand count audits were only of 3 to 5 precincts in any given county and are done after every election in Minnesota to check the accuracy of the voting machines.

Besides the vote totals, the audit had some indications that getting more than a hundred county and local government units to follow the same standards and procedures in the anticipated recount may be difficult.

After the jump, where the votes changed and video.

In Cottonwood County, a ballot was lightly marked for Norm Coleman but the electronic vote scanner did not record a vote for Coleman.  This was discovered when Cottonwood election officials counted the ballots by hand for the audit.  However, election official Jan Johnson sent in the audit indicating there had been no change in the vote for Coleman.  Johnson told The UpTake that "voter intent" was not to be determined during the audit, but the ballot would definitely be in the Coleman column when there was a recount.

The Secretary of State's office disagreed, telling The UpTake that voter intent was to be a factor in the audit as well as the recount.  The Secretary of State's office apparently won that argument.  When the final audit numbers were filed on Friday the ballot in Cottonwood County was in the Colman column.

In Minneapolis' Ward 7, Precinct 9, election officials took two votes away from Franken and one from Coleman noting that the ballots were "questionable" but noting that the machine counted them.

In Redwood Falls Ward 3 vote totals for Norm Coleman remained the same despite a notation that one of the machines had a "questionable" reading.

In Stevens County one ballot was "found under ballot counter above ballot box".

The full results from the audit can be found here.

Below is a handy table to see where Franken and Coleman lost or gained votes.

Video from The UpTake: MN Secretary of State Mark Ritchie says he's "here to take the attack" from Republicans.

Originally posted to mmcintee on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 12:20 AM PST.

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  •  Off the Cuff Analysis (8+ / 0-)

    Assuming these precincts were representative, Franken should gain another 150 or so. BUT these precincts are disproportionately rural and Coleman friendly.  My gut says vote tabulations will be somewhere between 150 and 250 (assuming no 'found' ballots). Caveat: I am NOT Nate Silver and am not a stats person at heart.


    •  Nate had this to say: (6+ / 0-)

      Nate wrote about an highly detailed Dartmouth study on the outstanding MN undervotes that says they favor Franken.  

      Based on the currently available data which has been reviewed here, it appears plausible that Coleman’s 206-vote lead as of November 12, 2008 may be reversed by the recount process.

      The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little. -FDR

      by Jeff in CA on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 02:02:14 AM PST

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    •  A Good Sign (0+ / 0-)

      By my stats, Franken gained 6 votes net in 40 out of 3300 precincts. Multiply that by 82.5 and you end up with Franken gaining 495 additional votes and winning by 295. But a 1.1% sample size isn't very big, and we never know what exactly will happen.

      Obama Politics (

      by JohnKWilson on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 06:49:57 AM PST

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  •  I sure hope Franken can pull this off (0+ / 0-)

    but I don't think he's going to.

  •  whatever... (0+ / 0-)

    It was a good effort but he got beat.
    I wish he had won but he didn't.
    How does Minny vote for Obama and not for Franken??

    Second Life NetRoots Nation

    by winkk on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 12:48:56 AM PST

    •  It's not over, don't give up until the end... (6+ / 0-)

      -9.13, -7.79 I'm breaking through, I'm bending spoons, I'm keeping flowers in full bloom, I'm looking for answers from the great beyond... -REM

      by L0kI on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 01:00:32 AM PST

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    •  Totally disagree that Franken lost yet. (6+ / 0-)
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      TampaCPA, rockhound, maryru, llbear, vets74, Ectoras

      Let's not forget that Democrat Christine Gregoire became governor of Washington state in 2004 after a recount - which she won by 130 votes. In 2008, she won again by a much larger margin.

      This is what recounts are for: to determine the will of the people.

      "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton

      by jbeach on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 02:51:27 AM PST

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    •  How Minny votes for Obama and not for Franken (3+ / 0-)
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      Woody, maryru, llbear

      First of all, Coleman is one of the top five most liberal Republicans in the Senate.  So moderates think he's OK, that he's doing a good job.

      I completely disagree with them, but there it is.

      Second of all, Franken had a lot of Democrats rooting against him.  To be honest, I wasn't particularly thrilled about the idea myself, because I'm a pretty big fan of his, and I knew how his sarcastic words would be turned against him.

      Of course, after Franken pulled off the DFL endorsement, I was behind him 100%.  But my neighbor two doors down put up a sign for Priscilla Lord Faris, his competitor for the DFL nomination (we have, like, nine thousand primaries and caucuses and conventions before we actually pick a nominee in Minnesota).  I spoke to him about it, and he explained that she had deep ties to the DFL in Minnesota, going back to the Hubert Humphrey days.  For a lot of Democrats (myself included), invoking the name of Humphrey is quite effective.  I left my Franken sign and sticker where it was.

      Third (and maybe this should've been first), Dean Barkley was a very good candidate.  I like to do those online polls where you answer questions and find out which candidate best aligns with your views, and Barkley came out #1.  He was more progressive than Franken.  Barkley got nearly half a million votes, over 15% of the total.  He was endorsed by Jesse Ventura, which still carries some weight around here.  Probably does with those 15%, anyway.  I still have a lot of respect for some of the things that Ventura did or tried to do when he was our Governor.

    •  I live in Washington State (4+ / 0-)
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      Woody, llbear, Cottagerose, Kat08

      I saw with my own eyes what two or three recounts can do for a Democrat in this position.  

      A recount which focuses on the intent of the voter will definitely yield results for Franken.  Many of the voters who would have voted for Obama as first time voters would also have voted for Franken.  

      It's bound to happen.  

    •  This isn't over!! don't assume facts (2+ / 0-)
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      Cottagerose, Kat08

      not in evidence. send some money Al's way and think positive thoughts. I am volunteering to help Al with the recount so hang in there.

      I don't hit. But I do hit back

      by mcgee85 on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 09:12:11 AM PST

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  •  In such a close race every vote really counts. (3+ / 0-)
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    Ectoras, Ricola, Jansan
    Thanks for the update.  Rec'd.
  •  What a crazy election (1+ / 0-)
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    I hope SNL Guy beats Captain Sleaze.

  •  This one is fun to watch like extra innings (10+ / 0-)

    I worked as hard as I could for Franken for over a year now, sent him nearly all my money, talked him up to anyone who would listen (and to some who didn't want to) all across the state.  I went to caucuses, conventions, primaries, debates, and even put a bumper sticker on my car and a tshirt on my kids.  I am invested.  Now I get to watch extra innings.

    Only thing that can top it is a win.  Go Al!

    "I think we have in Barack Obama the clear possibility of a truly great president" - Former (R) MN Governor Arne Carlson

    by Ricola on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 02:27:56 AM PST

  •  Okay need to match the table with (0+ / 0-)

    how many undervotes were recorded in that county.

    That will give us an idea of how good Franken's chances are in capturing the lead.

  •  We're officially (3+ / 0-)
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    rockhound, vets74, Ectoras

    under 0.01% of a difference now between Coleman and Franken.  This is crazy close.

  •  There Are Lots Of Undervotes (3+ / 0-)
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    vets74, uzeromay, Ectoras

    I heard that there are a lot of undervotes in Franken friendly territory, so I believe that Franken is going to win.  Could win by 100 votes or more.

  •  Lovely. Thanks for posting! :) (3+ / 0-)
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    Delevie, uzeromay, Ectoras

    Franken will win this.  :)

  •  Recount (4+ / 0-)
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    Woody, vets74, uzeromay, Ectoras

    I'm the Dem Chair of a Township on Long Island. Population about 55000, registered voters 37000. 42 election districts about 900 registered voters per district. Our local Dem candidate won by 740 votes on election night; after the recount, we won by 852 votes. Minn is much bigger than Southampton township.

  •  How can anyone say Al will lose this? (2+ / 0-)
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    uzeromay, Ectoras

    It sounds like there could be thousands of extra votes that will be given to one candidate or another, making 200 votes appear to be nothing.

  •  Oh, and by the way, those people who come onto (2+ / 0-)
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    Woody, rockhound

    blogs and say, "Well, I'm going to vote third-party for the Green candidate because there's not a nickel's difference between the two major parties," I hope those folks in Minnesota are now going to have some sleepless nights knowing that they literally are the difference here, and that their personal vote could well have made the difference between environmental policy getting moved forward or potentially filibustered.

  •  The story of Washington State in 2004 (2+ / 0-)
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    Woody, Ectoras

    This thing is shaping up to be the exact same deal that we had here with our governor's race in 04.  

    We had 2 or 3 recounts.  One of them had to be paid for by the campaign.  I remember Kerry giving some money to cover the cost.  So, should a hand recount ever arrive, I'm hoping that Franken gets something out of Obama's petty cash drawer to cover the cost of the recount.  There's probably enough stuffed in one of Plouffe's socks in the campaign's top dresser drawer.

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