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That giant sucking sound that you hear, is the hole in the ground where the GOP used to be. The Christian Right (CR) took them over and instead of spreading out to envelop the entire country, the greedy, intolerant, deceitful hypocrites have killed the GOP.  Moderate and independent citizens have spoken with their votes.  It turns out that Americans really do want equality for all.

(Cross posted at The National Gadfly)

The GOP has collapsed as a direct result of the unholy marriage between the oil / defense industry GOP hacks and religious zealots seeking to install their religion into government. They both sought to fleece the other, like two grifters each assuming that the other one had money.  The GOP wanted to use the CR to get votes as part of 'the southern strategy'.  The CR wanted to take over government and get their hands on taxpayer dollars and to change laws in order to favor their religion above all others.  The net result is a horribly deflated GOP, home only to racists, religious fanatics and corporate crooks.

Barack Obama was too tempting for them.  They couldn't help themselves but to be stoke fear and hate in an ever intensifying downward spiral.  They have lost almost everyone except white racists and apologists for corporate corruption.  I am very happy to note that in 2008, both of those groups are minorities.  Their own ill deeds consumed them.

For years, the Christian Right spent years hiding their base intentions with code words and pronouncements of peace and tolerance.  It was bunk, it was always bunk.  It was about money and power.  (Hint: if they're using 'code' words, then they are trying to screw you.)

I used to be afraid of the Christian Right.  I thought they would consume our nation from within, seizing government and turning our democracy into a theocracy.  I thought they would consume the GOP like a cancer and once in power, usurp the military, corporations and the media in order to replace the laws of man (and equality) with the laws of god (and intolerance, brutality and hypocrisy). And they tried pretty hard to do just exactly that.

My first indicators were the mouthpieces of Pat Robertson and Rush Limbaugh among many, many others.  Spewing rage and intolerance, telling us that we are at war with our fellow citizens.  Inciting hate is never benign. It is always there for a reason and that reason is always, always, always to weaken the population while liars and murderers steal power.  My next big indicator was/is the attack of education.  Constant charges upon schools to allow religion to replace science.  The only thing this does is to make the population dumber and more gullible to the dishonest influence of the tyrants that seek to rule.  A tyrant's only natural enemy is an educated country.  The only people who attack knowledge are people that want you to be stupid.

I was terrified and with damn good reason.  Theocracies always end in injustice because they begin in injustice.

First, when the rule of law is replaced with the rule of god, there is no even application of the law. Laws become tilted in favor of those that believe as the state sanctioned religion does.  It is also more difficult because laws have logic to their construction (or they're supposed to) but religion has no logic.  How can any equal system of justice exist with a legal system based on a religious text?  It is supposedly handed down by god, to people that lived thousands of years ago, originally written in  other languages, translated umpteen times and censored by religious ministers.

Second, nobody ever wins a religious argument. So, if any religion controls the government, they will hear a lot of arguments from people in other religions because they laws are not treating everyone fairly.  The religion in power will not be able to resist the temptation to use the police or the military to shut the complainers up.  The only reason they want to change the laws is to get into a position of power over the rest of us.  The leaders of the GOP and the Christian Right know this.  It's their followers that haven't figured it out quite yet.  They really believe that they're fighting for god and securing a place in heaven.

This election cycle was a referendum on religious zeal and intolerance.  After 8 years of an unchecked religious assault, emboldened by a like-minded President,  the American people spoke up.  We had a choice between a country that favors one religion over others and one that favors none.  It's because we realize that religious freedom means that no religion has control of the government.

The collapse of the GOP promises to be a grand spectacle indeed.  There are still a great deal of GOP faithful that still haven't caught on that they are being used by people in their party and religious leadership.  Once they start to really figure it out, the party will get even smaller.  Also, the CR nut-jobs are totally capable of going way off the deep end when they finally get it.  Watch out for some craziness.  Better watch out for the crafty ones.  They're already trying to do the same thing to the Democratic party.  They won't get as far, because we actually are black, latino, asian, arab, muslim, atheist, intelligent and most importantly...we are in this together.

I think the final nail in the coffin is this: the world has one universal currency - ideas. The country that can think and create better than every other country will have the advantage in production, quality of life, prosperity, security and longevity.  The GOP & Christian Right do not support an educated population.  They do not want their autocratic rule to be challenged.  We Americans have seen that ignorance is not bliss, it is a cancer.  So too, is the GOP today.


Originally posted to the national gadfly on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 07:56 AM PST.

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  •  GOP and CR have corrupted each other (5+ / 0-)

    when the GOP started pandering to the CR to get their votes, they got more than they bargained for.
    They got a group more interested in waging religious war against Islam than in our own national security.
    As for the CR, they chose to adopt the entire corporate greed platform of the GOP.
    The newsletters of Dobson's group now support issues like the anti-union movement and the drill baby,drill
    mantra of those in the pocket of big oil.

    -7.88/-4.41 "Republicans are men of narrow vision, who are afraid of the future." Jimmy Carter

    by Interceptor7 on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 08:07:03 AM PST

  •  You say . . . (4+ / 0-)

    They have lost almost everyone except white racists and apologists for corporate corruption.

    Do you find it scary that these people exist in numbers almost as large (let's say ~ 93% as many) as the "sensible" folk who voted for Obama?

    •  I find everything about them scary! n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      Roadbed Guy

      "Sunlight is the best disinfectant" - Louis Brandeis

      by the national gadfly on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 08:32:20 AM PST

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      •  Yeah, totally I agree with that (2+ / 0-)
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        perhaps where I take issue is that maybe - just maybe - they are not as marginalized as your diary might suggest.

        For example, nothing like Mulrooney's (sp?) collapse of his PC government in Canada a few years back where his party when from a majority to having two (yes 2!) seats in the parliament.   Your diary would seem to suggest that the Repubs have suffered a similar fate (but they're still hanging in there at ~45% - which is not that far behind).

        •  The PC collapse... (2+ / 0-)
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          Roadbed Guy, the national gadfly

          ... was brought about during Kim Campbell's tenure;  Brian Mulroney had resigned by the time the federal Progressive Conservatives were swept into the dustbin.

          But the demise of the PCs was really brought about more by the fracturing of their coalition and splitting of the vote they formerly held, in no small part because of the Charlottetown Accord the year earlier; the Western populists went to the right-wing Reform Party (which had run a strong, grassroots "NO" campaign against the Accord in the West), and their soft nationalists in Quebec moved to the Bloc Quebecois (founded by Lucien Bouchard, a former Mulroney cabinet minister, who was fired\left the PC caucus after the Accord failed).  

          That's important, because most majority governments in Canada are run by parties who get 40% of the popular vote, 60% of the seats (or more) and 100% of the power.  The Liberal one elected in 1993 was no different in this regard.

          Slower Traffic Keep Right.

          by Wisewood on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 09:44:31 AM PST

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    •  indeed (3+ / 0-)

      the fact that a whopping 46% of the electorate voted for McCain is incredibly troubling.

      Because you know those people will never, ever, under any circumstances vote for any Democrat, no matter how bad things get or how far the GOP descends into race hatred or religious fanaticism.

      If we enter a prolonged economic crisis, the GOP could rebuild itself as an ultra-right wing populist movement and sway enough swing voters to its side to win a presidential election. And whomever they'd nominate then would be a thousand times worse than Bush or McCain could ever be.

      •  some people (3+ / 0-)

        are scared of change. Many McCain supporters I know are decent people. If you choose experience over message, McCain was obviously your better choice. Plus, a lot of people just don't pay attention and vote based on what they hear randomly.

        Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans have all the answers, but the Democrats have their heart in the right place.

        by thematt523 on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 08:58:47 AM PST

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    •  I find it demoralizing (3+ / 0-)
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      that this many people voted for McCain, but I don't think it's accurate to suggest that the majority of these voters belonged to the Christian Right.  For a lot of Republicans the Christian Right simply isn't on the radar at all.  These are the fiscal, moderate, and defense Republicans that are still locked in the 80s.  My father is a good example of such a Republican.  He simply isn't even aware of the religious dimension of the party at all or even the heated debates over values, but votes republican for economic reasons alone.  As the diarist points out, part of the problem here is that these groups use code in talking about their platform.  They're extremely adept in hiding their agenda and making it appear far more moderate than it is.  Thus when these moderate voters here the word "Christian" talked about by a republican candidate, they don't think of an extremist agenda interested in overturning our Constitution and replacing our nation with a theocracy, rather they think of their mild Christian churches that they attend a few times a year without much thinking about it at all.  In other words, they think of nice things like the moment of peace during services where everyone shakes hands, or church picnics, or nice consumerized Christmas celebrations, etc.  These people are not voting for the Christian right, but for a rather watered down sense of national identity that they associate with better times in the 50s.  For these people Palin is not a religious zealot (they know little of Palin's beliefs), but just a nice woman who might live in their neighborhood.  This is why it's extremely important to make it publicly clear just what these extremist groups stand for.

  •  Didn't they say that in 1932 and 1964? (1+ / 0-)
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    I don't think that the GOP will disappear anytime soon.

    •  true, true... (1+ / 0-)
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      Greed and corruption never die.  Intolerance seems to have a pretty good shelf-life.  Fear and hatred are perennials.  Still, they're going to have a hell of a time selling that crap product.

      So, we'll just see.

      "Sunlight is the best disinfectant" - Louis Brandeis

      by the national gadfly on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 08:34:16 AM PST

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    •  I'm not entirely (3+ / 0-)
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      sure the parallels between 1932 and 1964 hold up in our current historical context.  The major difference between now and then lies in massive transformations in our culture wrought through the emergence of new communications technologies and job migrations throughout the country.  The difference between 32/64 and now is that in these prior eras large portions of the country could still live in geographic bubbles where they only encountered people like themselves.  For the younger generations, this sort of geographical isolation simply doesn't exist any longer.  Through television, the internet, and migrations, these generations perpetually encounter different systems of belief, different economies of gender identity, and different ethnicities.  These phenomena have the net effect of eroding the primary of the same relied upon by the CR, driving the younger generation away from those that define Christian identity in such stark and exclusive terms.  Retention among fundamentalists is pretty low-- and we can predict this will only intensify with time --such that a very high percentage of children from fundamentalist homes leave their religion in adulthood.

    •  The GOP (1+ / 0-)
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      won't die, but they will have to change their message if they are to win national elections again.

      Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans have all the answers, but the Democrats have their heart in the right place.

      by thematt523 on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 09:00:02 AM PST

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  •  If the GOP had any brains... (3+ / 0-)

    ..they'd kick the Christian fundies to the curb.
    But as long as they stay stupid, the religious folk will be their albatross.  

    •  Well, to quote (3+ / 0-)
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      howd, kafkananda, the national gadfly

      Oh Brother Where Art Thou?, they're in a tight spot.  It's impossible for them to win without this interest group as their economic policies only benefit a small portion of the population and they suck on defense.  Consequently they find themselves in a tough situation.  They can't win without the CR, but if they pander to the CR they lose the majority of the country.

  •  Dumb. (0+ / 0-)

    They won't get as far, because we actually are black, latino, asian, arab, muslim, atheist, intelligent and most importantly...we are in this together.

    If the above quote is supposed to be "progressive", then I quit.

    Aren't we also white, Christian, Hindu, etc.?  Are you consigning groups other than the ones you list to the damnation of "conservatism"? Aren't they in it too? Are all whites bad guys?  Are all Christians evil?  Are all Muslims saints?.  The Limbaughs and O'Riellys just love picking up on crap like this and shouting it out to the world.

    Not very "intelligent".

    •  Although the diarist (4+ / 0-)

      doesn't articulate himself very well here, your reading of what he means is less than charitable.  The point is that democrats have a place for all these other groups and isn't simply the party of white male christians.  Democrats are an inclusive and egalitarian, and not a party that requires all other non-white male christians to be second class citizens that are tolerated without being embraced.

      •  Where is the inclusivety? (0+ / 0-)

        Excuse me but the diarist excluded whites as a whole..not just male.  See, you just reinforced the stereotype yourself.  Yes, you and I know better but non Democratic whites could look at this and interpret it to mean they are excluded, especially if they listen to O'Rielly and the rest.  We need to think before we type.

        It's called nuance.

        •  You're absolutely right, a diary (3+ / 0-)

          on dailykos with one inartful remark is going to bring down the entire democratic party.  Let's make him wear a hairshirt!  The fact that you read the passage in this way (it didn't even occur to me to think this) speaks to some issues you might have about inclusivity.  You sound like a wingnut ranting about how libruls want to keep whites down and give all their jobs to underqualified minorities.  Just sayin'.  A little projection at work here?

          •  I'm surprised (2+ / 0-)
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            Philoguy, the national gadfly

            the diarist hasn't been tarred and feathered and kicked off the site by now. Whats with these people who write diaries and fail to make absolutely everyone agree with them and/or read what words were written, and not add words that weren't, erecting a straw man, and beating the stuffing out of it?

            Shocking. Just shocking.

            The fundamental delusion of humanity is to suppose that I am here and you are out there. - Yasutani Roshi

            by lotusmaglite on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 10:25:51 AM PST

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      •  thank you n/t (0+ / 0-)

        "Sunlight is the best disinfectant" - Louis Brandeis

        by the national gadfly on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 09:25:31 AM PST

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    •  call me whatever you "like" (2+ / 0-)
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      lotusmaglite, kafkananda

      I don't think that white people, hindus, all christians or muslims were the point of my diary.  I can see that you may have interpreted it as such.  

      My point, as the other commenter noted is that America is not made up of the white racism that has defined us in the past.  Those that cling to that mantra are doomed to failure.

      As for Limbaugh and O'Reilly I do not care if they like or do not like me, my diary or the company I keep.  They are ministers of propaganda.  When their paycheck disappears, so will they.

      be well,


      "Sunlight is the best disinfectant" - Louis Brandeis

      by the national gadfly on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 09:23:48 AM PST

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      •  I'm not calling you anything. (0+ / 0-)

        All I did was criticize one sentence in an otherwise excellent diary. In one post your defender Philoguy said you didn't articulate yourself very well and in another said it was an inartful remark.  That was my point.

        No, it's not gonna bring down the Dem party but neither is it very helpful.  In case you haven't noticed Dkos is one of the most widely read blogs in the world and more than once quotes have been lifted from diaries and comments and used to try to demonize the left.  

        I don't give two shits about O'Reilly and Limbaugh either but they're not going away.  They still have large audiences and we don't need to be giving them ammunition.  Just my opinion.

        Take Care.

  •  Religion? (1+ / 0-)
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    the national gadfly

    opium of the masses ...........

    I don't want to be committed .......

    by gerbilmark on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 08:54:51 AM PST

  •  The real problem is those "Christian" churches... (3+ / 0-)

    ...that are actually elaborate con games.

    It is time that the people of this nation exposed those grifters for what they are, and welcome the people who have been conned back into the reality of mainstream American life.

    PALIN: I have a vast variety of sources where we get our news.

    by Big Nit Attack on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 08:57:58 AM PST

  •  Moral Majority is Neither (3+ / 0-)

    Remember the bumpersticker from the 1990s?  

    Power in America has to be pragmatic, whatever the ideology that creates a coalition strong enough to attain it.  That always made the marriage of big business and right wing evangelicals rocky.  

    Over time, Bush and Reagan betrayed the faithful because they weren't willing to go to quite the extremes that right wing evangelicals wanted.  

    What that will do is create a situation within the Republican Party in which the evangelicals will think the problem they have is that they are not pure enough in their determination to accomplish an agenda to make America born again.  The pragmatists will figure that the association with the evangelicals has caused the party to be essentially the part of the Bible Belt, and to return more to the Eisenhower era perspective on Republicanism.

    From canvassing in Albuquerque, it seems like the evangelicals still have a lot of people in their tent.  Many of them found a reason to vote for Obama instead of McCain because they wanted economic pragmatism.  They could have swung the other way if the Republican ticket had promised competence.  

    However, the broad mainstream of swing voters are not bound by the social conservative agenda.  They want the economy to function and taxes to not be wasted.  They think taxes are a social compact and want the upper classes to pay their fair share.  They are offended when people in public life are found to be corrupt.  That the Republicans mixed self-righteousness with corruption was noxious to most people who have to prove themselves to be competent every day.  

    The contradictions, the lies, the corruption, the scamming, the two faced attempt to create a coalition by appealing to people and then betraying them - this legacy of the Bush/Rove era will have to get worked through.  It could take quite a while.

    But there are some intelligent Republicans out there like Gov. Pawlenty who may well start to knit together a 21st century conservatism.  Very likely the evangelicals will be a part of it.  Whether they become dominant enough to make the party into a Bible Belt shadow of itself remains to be seen, but most likely the intelligent pragmatists will create their own 50-state strategy.  

    What Democrats need to do is to learn the lessons from they lost power to the Republicans and not make the same mistakes.  

    •  If this were a diary (0+ / 0-)

      I could tip it and rec it. I have read (and in the future, will read) a number of comments/diaries that make some these points, but I don't recall seeing a sort of grand unified theory on the subject.

      And it's especially important to display the historical context and how it relates to this election. The future may depend on Americans as a whole connecting the dots and seeing the entire picture/timeline that shows where and how our government has failed its citizens and been hijacked by the unholy alliance between the plutocrats and the theocrats.

      The fundamental delusion of humanity is to suppose that I am here and you are out there. - Yasutani Roshi

      by lotusmaglite on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 10:18:56 AM PST

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  •  And Thank You Fox News... (3+ / 0-)

    And thank you Rush Limbaugh. Thank you Michelle Malkin. Thank you freeper loons who think you're every man. Thank you Ann Coulter. Thank you Bill Kristol. Thank you National Review. Thank you Real Clear Politics. Thank you rest of the Right Wing Noise Machine. And most of all thank you President Bush. You really turned out to be a uniter there champ.. Just not the way you had hoped.

    "But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." Barack Obama

    by Sam James on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 09:15:59 AM PST

  •  It's kind of funny (2+ / 0-)
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    To see the neocon message fail.

    I've always summed up their campaign message as follows:
    "RRAAAAAAARRRR!!! ARRRRR!!!" and other scary noises.

    The fail - IMHO - is less about a complete rejection of the messages of fear and hate, and more about the people for once being afraid of something even bigger (and, coincidentally, not manufactured in order to turn out the base).

    In the above respect, I must (sadly) disagree with the notion that reason and actual compassion finally won the day. As soon as this holed ship rights itself and sails true again, the fearmongering will once again be the winning strategy. Unless (and this is the hope) by then the 50-state strategy has created enough of an apparatus on the ground to counter the deception and scary noises.

    In any case, excellent diary. More than that, it's an excellent, well reasoned, and clearly expressed diary. kudos and mojo to the national gadfly.

    The fundamental delusion of humanity is to suppose that I am here and you are out there. - Yasutani Roshi

    by lotusmaglite on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 10:07:04 AM PST

  •   I like your zeal... (1+ / 0-)
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    the national gadfly

    ...but I don't share your view.  The Christian Reich (as I prefer to call it) is not done at all.  They lost one election, as far as they are concerned.  They won't stop...they will just regroup.

    I truly fear the New Apostolic Reformation folks and their Seven Mountain strategy.  I honestly believe they are a terrorist group hell bent on fully taking over everything.  And I believe they have a lot of truly delusional folks in key positions.  That whole belief they currently have that they are birthing babies right now that have supernatural powers and will violently and forcefully take over the country when they are teens...well, that type of thinking is insane, IMO.

    We should NEVER be complacent about the NAR...they have millions under their spell.

    "Ignorance is bliss only for the ignorant. The rest of us must suffer the consequences." --Paradise50

    by paradise50 on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 12:04:09 PM PST

    •  I call them Christian Reich, too! (0+ / 0-)

      The agents of intolerance, fear and division.  

      Once they separate the world into two groups (true believers and all others) they start down the path of demonization of fellow man.  It will only lead to intolerance, hate and division.  They may start out by expressing it in mild terms, but the final brutal expressions will ultimately follow.

      Also, when this world view is in support of a corporate structure, there is a financial impetus to gain wealth and power.  The financial needs of these large Christian Right organizations and individuals are now vested in the domination of us all for their own profit.  

      Ignorance + Hatred + Fear + Greed = Murder (every single time)


      "Sunlight is the best disinfectant" - Louis Brandeis

      by the national gadfly on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 12:12:23 PM PST

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