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As one of the early adopters of the "Dream Team" ticket, I love both Barack and Hillary equivalently for different reasons and believe in their own ways are great Americans and Democrats.

That being said, I gave up on the Dream Team after Obama won the nomination and was happy with Joe Biden who helped with winning the Blue Collar vote that was a weakness in his campaign.  There were many reasons for Obama not to pick Hillary for VP but the biggest one that I agree with is that for every vote and state she put in play she may have alienated other states.  So while she may have put in play AR and WV the mountain West would have been jepordized.  In addition, there may have been vetting issues during the campaign and risks that the Republicans could bring up past WJC issues distracting from the campaign messaging.

So Obama brilliantly used the Clintons where they would be helpful to win the election but not enough to draw fire from Republicans.  What a great strategy.

As it turned out, Obama was able to win most of the states that Hillary would have helped him deliver without her.  Now that he is POTUS-Elect, what to do with Hillary.  Well one of the substantial differences that Obama has with Hillary is how to implement healthcare reform.  And there is some bad karma from her first failed attempt at healthcare reform.  Hillary would want to be involved to remedy her key failure during the WJC administration and that might galvanize those on the right to fight harder against its passage and indeed even bring up past lobbying campaigns (Harold and Louise Commercials) against major reform.

Despite Hillary's voting record in the Senate on AUMF by the end of the primary, their future policy objectives were not significantly different.  So taking Hillary out of the Senate is taking a potential roadblock to passing the Obama agenda out of the Senate and putting her on his team talking to foreign policy based on POTUS Obama's direction.  This would be giving her a historic position in a potentially great administration and bring together many of the left-over PUMAs who were worried about Obama's potential "peacenik" pressures of that portion of the Democratic party.

When you have an potential roadblock on a new major initiaitive (in this case "Change")...the best thing to do is get those who may be part of those roadblocks onto your team and make them part of the change team.  Which is why I love putting Hillary as SOS.  It would also force WJC to liquidate any of his investments in companies that may be a conflict.

As much as this pains the Kossacks who hate Hillary and WJC, this is simply the most brilliant political strategy for change that Obama could ever come up with...much better than putting Hillary on the VP ticket which would have muddied the waters in the election...may have helped or not we will never know.

In the end, I suspect that many of the Obama administration high-level appointments that cause DKos consternation will be born of the same political calculation...take your roadblocks and turn them into allies for Change

Originally posted to dvogel001 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:09 AM PST.

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  •  Stop looting the Senate for Cabinet members! (9+ / 0-)

    It's unnecessary and it's harmful to the constitutional balance.  In this particular case, Clinton's expertise isn't even in foreign policy.  Why the heck are we even discussing this as a worthwhile idea?  

    -5.38/-3.74 I've suffered for my country. Now it's your turn! --John McCain with apologies to Monty Python's "Protest Song"

    by Rich in PA on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:13:26 AM PST

  •  I don't think Hillary would cockblock Obama (3+ / 0-)
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    sundancekid11, grada3784, Angry Mouse

    in the Senate because it would be suicide for her legacy.  By killing Obama's packages, she would give the WH back to the Republicans in 2012 no matter what she says.

    Giving her SoS would be good for her, politically, because she gains unquestionable experience in foreign affairs and, assuming Obama can live up to his potential, a powerful part in ressurecting America from the ashes.  Of course, this is assuming she muzzles Bill and dude gives up some of his foreign interests.

    I still would prefer Richardson, but I could dig Hilldawg.  She's an awfully powerful voice in DC.

    We have done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.

    by TheStormofWar on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:14:23 AM PST

    •  She has substantive differences... (3+ / 0-)
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      sundancekid11, grada3784, Angry Mouse

      (one of the few areas) in the area of healthcare reform and her driving of that initiative could galvanize Republicans and industry people to be against the reform...I do not believe she would do it on purpose just like she did not lose the battle last time on purpose...

      Obama/Biden'08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

      by dvogel001 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:18:24 AM PST

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    •  Hillary cannot get away from Scaife and Murdock (1+ / 0-)
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      revgerry

      so easily. They bought her. That shows something I cannot trust. She is owned by AIPAC, as demonstrrated by her gratutious threat to obliterate Iran. That kind of slavish devotion is not good for America, and in the long run, it won't be good for anyone else!
      Hillary is a rotten choice for the position of our top diplomat.
      And as for health programs, why the slavery to insurance companies? Kucinnich has the only decent plan.
      America, when will you ever really get smart?
      Or, probably I should ask why you won't!

    •  I am not sure she has enough power in the Senate (1+ / 0-)
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      revgerry

      to stop Obama's legislation.

      Kennedy, Dodd and Reid shut her out of the Health Care legislation without breaking a sweat.  

      •  It is not just her... (0+ / 0-)

        it is her name on the legislation and the drawing of unfriendly fire from reform opponents...because of the success from stopping reform last time...

        I can see the ad now...Hillary-Care again dressed up with a new robe...or something like that...

        Obama/Biden'08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

        by dvogel001 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:30:50 AM PST

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  •  Following Lincoln (1+ / 0-)
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    grada3784

    I heard today that Lincon placed some of his enemies on his cabinet.  Pretty much unthinkable nowadays, but if they are smart and competent I say go for it.

    We must become the change we want.

    by Johnthe on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:14:40 AM PST

  •  I like it. (11+ / 0-)

    And I'm a little baffled at how easily so many of our fellow Kossacks fall right back into the primary wars talking points about Hillary being
    (a) too hawkish;
    (b) wrong on Iraq;
    (c) condescending about Obama's lack of experience;
    (d) too inexperienced;
    (e) the worst person in the world;
    (f) married to the worst person in the world;
    (g) all of the above.

    Hillary may not have decades of experience, like, say, Kerry, but she's a fast learner, a hard worker, and smarter than just about anyone else.  And last time I checked, this group was not all that impressed by experience anyway.

    It's almost heartbreaking that after months of party unity, when even the most vehement critics of Hillary and Bill were able to once again embrace them with open arms after their incredible performances at the convention, and all their hard work during the general, everyone is so quick to jump right back into the Clinton bashing that was so prevalent here six months ago.

    I don't want to go back to defending Hillary again; frankly, it's boring at this point.  But I'm sickened by the rabidness of her critics.

    Hope you enjoyed it, Sarah, 'cause we just kicked your silly winking folksy lipsticked ass back to Alaska. For good. Also.

    by Kaili Joy Gray on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:26:17 AM PST

    •  Tipped AM...for a great comment as usual...n/t (3+ / 0-)

      Obama/Biden'08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

      by dvogel001 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:30:50 AM PST

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    •  i'm with you. (4+ / 0-)

      See my comment below.  I'd be proud to have HRC as SOS: she's smart, capable, and could do an excellent job.  

      We fought the good fight in the primaries.  She gave Obama a good hard workout, which helped prepare him for the general election.  That does not call for Clinton-bashing, but at this point should call for praise because in the end it contributed to Obama's success and the broader Democratic victory.  

      •  Exactly. (4+ / 0-)

        People were so concerned about how Hillary would undermine Obama at the convention and during the general, but she did the opposite.  And yet we're back to diaries on the recommended list relitigating quotes from the primaries.

        What happened to "No way, no how, no McCain"?

        Hope you enjoyed it, Sarah, 'cause we just kicked your silly winking folksy lipsticked ass back to Alaska. For good. Also.

        by Kaili Joy Gray on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:38:54 AM PST

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        •  Mouse, (3+ / 0-)

          Your points are good.  They always are.  I'm not a hard-core HRC basher, and I have no interest in revisiting the primaries.  But my objection here is to the drama that it brings into play.  Maybe that's okay.  But we've seen such discipline from the President Elect and his team.  HRC is of a different school of politics, and the leaks about the vetting process are reminding me why I'm not gaga.  I'm trying to imagine what it would be like to try to replace her if the President wanted to go in another direction.

          •  On the other hand... (2+ / 0-)
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            This is an opportunity for Hillary to learn a great deal about how to operate within a no drama administration.  I think she'd probably be grateful for the opportunity to see another way of doing it.  So far, she's only had her husband's campaigns and her own, which were largely influenced by her husband's people.

            Hillary's a fast learner.  She likes to learn.  I think she would welcome the opportunity to learn from a team that, even she would admit, has incredible political and management skills.

            This is also an opportunity for her to further distinguish herself from her husband.  She would truly be in this position on her own merit.  

            Your last point is valid; no doubt, there would be fireworks if Obama wanted to replace her.  But she would know that, and that would be further motivation for her to sincerely work with him to implement his agenda.

            Hope you enjoyed it, Sarah, 'cause we just kicked your silly winking folksy lipsticked ass back to Alaska. For good. Also.

            by Kaili Joy Gray on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:51:53 AM PST

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    •  Thank you Angry Mouse! (2+ / 0-)
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      Your comment is greatly appreciated.

    •  "Everyone?" (3+ / 0-)
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      grada3784, Angry Mouse, El Ochito

      There are a good many of us who are either not bashing her or are actively supporting the possibility of her being SOS.

      Personally, I think it's a great idea.  I never supported HRC for POTUS, but I have always thought she'd make a dandy cabinet secretary or Supreme Court justice.

      I'm reminded of the first Democratic debate and how that line of candidates looked for all the world like a terrific cabinet.  I hope Obama taps more of them.

      There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who know binary and those who don't.

      by JBL55 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:40:00 AM PST

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      •  I also said "many." (3+ / 0-)
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        Jeez, you're going to use every single one of my words against me?  Who am I, Hillary Clinton? ;-)

        Seriously, I realize that there are many people -- like yourself -- who did not support HRC, but like the idea, or at least don't oppose the idea, of her in the cabinet.  I don't mean to paint this place with too broad a brush, but honestly, david's diary on the rec list is a little too much like the primary wars for my taste.

        Hope you enjoyed it, Sarah, 'cause we just kicked your silly winking folksy lipsticked ass back to Alaska. For good. Also.

        by Kaili Joy Gray on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:42:33 AM PST

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    •  This has nothing to do with the primaries (3+ / 0-)
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      grada3784, revgerry, SDuvall

      or with irrational Clinton-hating.  The Secretary of State must negotiate with Iran and other countries in the Middle East.  Isn't someone coming in with a black mark after she has postulated a "nuclear umbrella" over the Middle East and stated her willingness to "obliterate Iran"?  Furthermore, her vote for Bush's war does show a massive lack of judgment and her continued support for the war long after it began only emphasizes that.  This is an important position not a ceremonial one.  I would like to see someone in it who is committed to negotiation over violence and actually believes world peace is desirable.

      •  That vote is in the past... (2+ / 0-)
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        grada3784, Angry Mouse

        looking forward in the debates in term of future policy...Barack and Hillary were very close on their POV on foreign policy visions...

        BTW the SOS does not set policy, she communicates it and helps negotiate it...the POTUS sets policy...

        Obama/Biden'08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

        by dvogel001 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:45:43 AM PST

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      •  So you oppose Kerry as well? (2+ / 0-)
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        Pam from Calif, grada3784

        Many people have been talking about Kerry as SoS.  Same votes as Clinton on Iraq.

        And frankly, I think the fact that she has been more aggressive than Obama would actually be a plus.  It's classic good cop, bad cop.  

        Example: She meets with Iran.  She is carrying out Obama's agenda, which differs from hers.  She'd push the red button, but she's there to represent Obama.  So she can rough up Iran, talk tough to Iran, and then Obama can get on the phone and be Mr. Nice Guy and say, "Well, my SoS tells me you fools won't cooperate and we should bomb your ass, but I don't really want to.  Surely we can work this out..."

        Good cop, bad cop is very effective in negotiating.  I think it makes tremendous sense.

        Hope you enjoyed it, Sarah, 'cause we just kicked your silly winking folksy lipsticked ass back to Alaska. For good. Also.

        by Kaili Joy Gray on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:47:58 AM PST

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    •  AM, sure there are (2+ / 0-)
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      dvogel001, Angry Mouse

      a lot of squeaky wheels out here that make some noise but I think the clear majority even on here support whatever decision Obama makes on SoS.

      Naturally some still have bruised feelings about the primary wars but personally, not me. I have grown to admire Hillary  even more than I  did before the campaign since the latter parts of the spring primary season. She was relentless on the trail and improved her abilities out there.

      Then at the DNC she was great. And in the fall campaign she also was determined and again..relentless.

      I would think she has proven to most of us that she is talented, and has the ability to learn on the fly if she lacks any knowledge base.

      Of course,she has to be vetted and Bill might have to curtail some of his shadier relationships with foreign mining czars but if she passes muster, then all the reasons laid out in this diary make sense to me.
      It does bug me when I go to some Hillary sympathetic sites like Talkleft and they paint Dkos with the broad brush label that it is full of HRC-haters. She gets over 60% approval on here, that is not bad in todays political world.

      •  Nice, well thought out post...Tipped... (1+ / 0-)
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        Angry Mouse

        Obama/Biden'08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

        by dvogel001 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 12:18:53 PM PST

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      •  Agreed. (0+ / 0-)

        I stopped going to TalkLeft and even MyDD during the election because I just couldn't take the Obama bashing.  And I was a Clinton supoporter, for crying out loud.

        The other day, I checked out TalkLeft, just to see what they were up to these days.

        Not surprisingly, there was some great content about a legal issue, and then there was some crap about how it's against the law to be critical of Obama, or something like that.

        I'm all for dissent, but the criticisms of Obama from the Hillary "supporters" and from the Obama purists is really stupid.  Chalk-eating stupid.

        Hope you enjoyed it, Sarah, 'cause we just kicked your silly winking folksy lipsticked ass back to Alaska. For good. Also.

        by Kaili Joy Gray on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 03:07:09 PM PST

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  •  Everything in me says this is the wrong spot (2+ / 0-)
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    askew, grada3784

    for Hillary, and that Bill Clinton would be a shadow president for all of Obama's foreign policy initiatives.  And former Prez. Clinton is too involved in corporate and  trade matters.

    Also, Hillary is NOT a skilled negotiator, she would be a bull in a china closet in this role.

    Richardson is a far wiser pick for SOS.

    I do agree that Hillary could do tremendous good in another cabinet position, say Education or Labor.  Just pleaser, not in foreign relations.

    •  I find it interesting... (3+ / 0-)
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      dvogel001, Pam from Calif, grada3784

      that people link Hillary with all of her husband's perceived negatives, but none of his positives.  He won't be in the cabinet; she will.  He won't have access to the intelligence; she will.  He won't be meeting with foreign leaders; she will.

      But when it comes to acknowledging any experience Hillary might have gained as his wife and closest adviser, well, she was "just" the First Lady.

      The idea that Hillary's going to travel to other countries with Bill in tow, the two of them meeting with leaders and strong-arming them together, is a little comical.

      Hope you enjoyed it, Sarah, 'cause we just kicked your silly winking folksy lipsticked ass back to Alaska. For good. Also.

      by Kaili Joy Gray on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:37:42 AM PST

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      •  Right on AM...tipped again...n/t (1+ / 0-)
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        grada3784

        Obama/Biden'08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

        by dvogel001 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:42:27 AM PST

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      •  I do believe there are some issues regarding (2+ / 0-)
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        Bill's global initiative and foreign investments to consider here.  No one believes he will be following her about; he has his own work to do and from what I can tell it is good work.  However, there does seem to be the possibility for conflict of interest if Bill is soliciting money from other countries.  The  other problem is the Clintons' propensity to generate emotional whirlpools wherever they go, whether of their own making or not.  I believe one of the prerequisites for Secretary of State is a sense of personal detachment and I do not think Senator Clinton possesses this.  This does not mean that she is incapable at doing a fine job elsewhere, but I do not see her as a negotiator or a diplomat.

        •  Obviously Hillary ... (2+ / 0-)
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          grada3784, Angry Mouse

          would be subject to the same vetting as other cabinet positions that would include requirements to disclose, liquidate or put in a blind trust any such investments that could cause a conflict of interest...

          Obama/Biden'08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

          by dvogel001 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:49:43 AM PST

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        •  LOL. (1+ / 0-)
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          nickrud

          If anyone is capable of personal detachment, it's Hillary Clinton.  This is the woman who suffered global humiliation because it was more important to support her husband's professional agenda than to be destroyed by his personal agenda.

          Hope you enjoyed it, Sarah, 'cause we just kicked your silly winking folksy lipsticked ass back to Alaska. For good. Also.

          by Kaili Joy Gray on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:06:22 AM PST

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    •  I would actually support WJC for SOS... (2+ / 0-)
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      grada3784, JBL55

      or Secy of Commerce...he would be great in both of those positions...so to the extent that he gives his wive counsel that just adds to the brilliance of the pick IMHO....

      Obama/Biden'08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

      by dvogel001 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:38:16 AM PST

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    •  Hillary would have to go through the same... (1+ / 0-)
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      grada3784

      vetting process and WJC would have to liquidate any such investments before a position could be finalized of course...

      And I see having WJC as an advisor as an asset not a liability to the Obama adminstration...in fact I would support WJC for SOS or Secy of Commerce...

      Obama/Biden'08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

      by dvogel001 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:48:20 AM PST

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    •  Obama says...I got the vetting thing covered... (0+ / 0-)

      Obama/Biden'08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

      by dvogel001 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:09:04 AM PST

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    •  Read "Team of Rivals." (0+ / 0-)

      The Doris Kearns Goodwin book Obama's mentioned reading. I've also read it, and it's great, though I suppose Obama's recommendation carries more weight.

      Anyway, when Lincoln picked more-prestigious rival Seward for Secretary of State, everybody including Seward assumed that Seward would take charge and run things for the supposedly inferior Lincoln. Seward quickly learned he was dead wrong, and ended up being Lincoln's closest friend and greatest admirer.

      "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

      by HeyMikey on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:34:47 AM PST

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  •  I am so pleased with the voting... (1+ / 0-)
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    grada3784

    62% of Kossacks are able to admit that it is a smart thing to do....even if grudgingly so...

    Obama/Biden'08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

    by dvogel001 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:40:03 AM PST

  •  Not to mention the good press Obama is getting (1+ / 0-)
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    grada3784

    "Team of Rivals" has been talked about a lot by the MSM, with the meeting with Hillary last week, and the McCain meeting today.

    •  Is that a snark or statement... (1+ / 0-)
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      grada3784

      of fact...?

      Obama/Biden'08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

      by dvogel001 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:50:32 AM PST

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      •  No, why would it be snark? (0+ / 0-)

        I've seen a few articles talking about Team of Rivals and Abraham Lincoln(whose SOS  was also his rival for the Republican nomination for president in 1960). I think Obama is getting good press by showing he seems to be putting partisanship aside. He wants to try and include everyone in his administration or at least help with some of his agenda(McCain), especially at a time when the country is facing so many problems.

        •  You never know around here... (1+ / 0-)
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          jj32

          many DKos people (at least a significant minority) are not in favor of having anybody in the cabinet except for true progressives...

          IMHO they want to govern like Republicans...we are better than that...

          Obama/Biden'08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

          by dvogel001 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:32:40 AM PST

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  •  I don't think she wants this (2+ / 0-)
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    Coldblue Steele, grada3784

    and will turn it down. I would too, if I were she.

    Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

    by bumblebums on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:51:01 AM PST

  •  it's the drama problem (5+ / 0-)
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    It's not that she would or wouldn't be an acceptable SOS, or that the move gets her out of the Senate where she may or may not be trouble.

    The problem is her style of doing business.  She and her clan can't see to let go of the hysterics and pushing and shoving to get their way.  How many other cabinet interviewees have gone through the process so far?  Any others producing leaks and big time drama?  Maybe Emmanuel, and that's it.  And this Clinton theater has gone on at every turn in the road.  The reconciliation in June.  The convention in August.  It was bad enough that she had this crap going on in her own campaign.  Why let it loose in the cabinet?  

    •  IMHO...that was all orchestrated... (2+ / 0-)
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      jj32, grada3784

      and controlled by Barack Obama not the Clintons...Remember as opposed to VP even cabinet appointees serve at the pleasure of POTUS so any drama that is unwarranted to result in firing....

      Obama/Biden'08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

      by dvogel001 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:56:24 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  asdf (1+ / 0-)
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    dvogel001

    I trust my President-Elect to make the right decision regarding all staff & cabinet positions. Obama will vet and chose the qualified people for each job.  I believe Hillary Clinton, Bill Richardson or John Kerry will do well as SOS.  

    Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official... ~Theodore Roosevelt

    by Pam from Calif on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:20:51 AM PST

  •  Up to 73% that believes Obama is smart... (1+ / 0-)
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    SteamPunkX

    that is great Kossacks keep up the good work...

    Obama/Biden'08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

    by dvogel001 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:22:49 AM PST

  •  HRC as SOS resolves 2012 now (0+ / 0-)

    Look ahead to 2012. Who might Obama be facing in the way of Democratic primary challengers?

    If HRC is in the Senate and setting herself up for 2012, she needs to distinguish herself from the encumbent President. Which means she is going to have to oppose him on something significant.

    If HRC is in a prime cabinet position, not only does this get her out of the Senate and potential conflict there, but she is part of the Obama team in 2012.

    •  Other than not agreeing that... (0+ / 0-)

      Hillary is planning on challenging Obama for the nomination in 4 years (unless Obama administration is a complete failure which I doubt)...if you do believe that...it is a reason to make her SOS...

      Obama/Biden'08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

      by dvogel001 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:38:05 AM PST

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  •  Obama is brilliant = (1+ / 0-)
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    dvogel001

    doing what dvogel likes.

    Note to self, write Obama is brilliant diary next time he agrees with something I cheerlead ;)

    Got a problem with my posts? Quit reading them. They're usually opinions, and I don't come here to get in arguments.

    by drbloodaxe on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:43:58 AM PST

    •  Well of course anything I write... (1+ / 0-)
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      drbloodaxe

      is by definition something I agree with...but I do not always agree with Obama or Democrats on every policy and I am not afraid to say so...that being said...politically (as much as some would disagree with the outcome - Hillary for SOS)...it is a brilliant tactical move...

      Of course that is JMHO with my reasons in the diary noted...

      Thanks for your snarky comment and I will recommend your brilliant diary if I agree with your opinion as well or just put comments how I disagree with your assertions set forth in your diary...I think that is the way it works here at DKos...

      Peace...Go Obama for Change!!!  Even if it is not change that progressives are for...

      Obama/Biden'08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

      by dvogel001 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:51:56 AM PST

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    •  Tipped for being snarky!!! (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      drbloodaxe

      Obama/Biden'08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

      by dvogel001 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:52:38 AM PST

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    •  62% so far... (0+ / 0-)

      agree that it is a smart thing to do...even if begrudgingly...so I must not be too far off the mark...I was expecting 25%

      Obama/Biden'08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

      by dvogel001 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:55:54 AM PST

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      •  We'll see. (0+ / 0-)

        Just keep writing that he's brilliant even if he doesn't end up having her as SoS ;)

        Got a problem with my posts? Quit reading them. They're usually opinions, and I don't come here to get in arguments.

        by drbloodaxe on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 11:02:06 AM PST

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        •  I did not say it would be successful... (0+ / 0-)

          in actually getting Hillary to take the job...nor did I say he would not be brilliant if the SOS appointment did not go through for Hillary...that is making a lot of assumptions from my diary...

          Obama/Biden'08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

          by dvogel001 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 11:05:46 AM PST

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