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I am appalled.
I am disgusted.
I am saddened.
I am pissed off.

For the Senate Democrats to allow Joe Lieberman to retain his Chairmanship (and frankly, ALL committee positions and, in my opinion, even his membership in the Caucus) is an abomination.  This is the time to stop playing politics and do the right thing regardless of the consequences.  The Democratic Caucus has failed.

There are only 2 possibilities here:

  1.  The members are aware of their actions and willfully allowed Senator Lieberman to retain his post and are thus unfit for the positions they hold.  
  1.  The members are unaware of the their actions and are therefore negligent and unfit for the positions they hold.

Either way, I plan to assist in ousting these cowardly "representatives" during their next election bids.

If the Democrats can't even muster the courage to punish a turncoat like Lieberman - a no-brainer seeing as how even at 60 seats, Lieberman would be in an even stronger position to screw the Democrats - how can they be trusted to do anything right?  Not even a slap on the wrist?  This is an insult to us and a face-losing, abject failure for the Senate Democrats.

Didn't we just win an election to start doing things right for a change?  If the Senate Democrats are not doing the right thing, why should we allow them to remain our representatives? When will they learn?  

We're done with the old way and politics as usual, we want change NOW!  If you won't do it we'll elect people who will.

Originally posted to sinnyc on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:18 AM PST.

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Comment Preferences

  •  It is clearly what Obama wanted... (0+ / 0-)

    In a 3 way negotation, if something in a negotation is a dealbreaker for you say holding a gavel and a third party that has tremendous power over the parties negotiating says, well I really am not going to take a position on the gavel but I will take a position on the Democratic caucus...which would be the first thing that you as the negotiator would give up on?

    This is basic negotiation tactics:

    A = Wants Gavel
    B = Wants to keep A in Caucus but no Gavel
    A = Won't stay in caucus without Gavel
    C = Tells A & B Wants A in caucus does not have an opinion about gavel.  C holds position of power over B

    What do you think B should/would do?

    This is not a big mystery...you can slice and dice the words say some of them are unnamed aides quotes and other are direct quotes...but it is really quite simple...

    Obama/Biden'08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

    by dvogel001 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:20:47 AM PST

    •  Well (0+ / 0-)

      You assume that there should have been a negotiation.  My position is that there was nothing to negotiate.  

      Dump Lieberman from all committees and offer him nothing but the option to stay in the caucus if he chooses.

      He votes mostly with the Dems anyway - if he were to stop doing that, he'd get voted out of office.  Hell, he is unlikely to get re-elected in '12 anyway.

      •  And if C had not said what he said... (0+ / 0-)

        that might well have happened...but it did not...I do not assume that there had to be negotiations, but the fact is that there were negotiations starting on Nov 5th...your opinion of whether there should have been is not relevant...

        Everything is negotiable in this world...

        Obama/Biden'08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

        by dvogel001 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:33:00 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Again (0+ / 0-)

          Just because something is negotiable doesn't mean it should be negotiated.  Your argument is about the mechanics of the negotiation.  My argument is that, had the Dems done the right thing in the first place there would be no discussion of mechanics.  

          I would argue that my (and others) opinion that there should not have been negotiations  at all is actually exceedingly relevant - not to today's outcome obviously but to future dealings with Senate Dems.  

          As I wrote above, it is my opinion that this was an epic failure on their part.  It is my opinion that this will come back to haunt them.  It is my opinion that they should now be punished for failing to grow a pair and do the right thing.

          Anyway, it's moot now - they've pussed out and now we will just move on and try to apply pressure in other ways.

          •  Obama forced the negotiation... (0+ / 0-)

            by wanting Lieberman in the caucus...once that was seen as the objective of the President-Elect then there was a negotiation...until then you are correct, the Dems could have told Lieberman to take it or leave it...

            Obama/Biden'08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

            by dvogel001 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:50:30 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

  •  You forgot...but not suprised! (1+ / 0-)
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    Yes, the NSA can hear you.

    by Muggsy on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:23:58 AM PST

  •  I'd like to see Lieberman suffer, but (0+ / 0-)

    it seems like there are bigger fish to fry right now to me.  One of the things Obama promised--repeatedly--was an end to "partisan rancor".

    I'm willing to give his approach a shot, and it looks like our leadership is doing the same.  

    And, perhaps it's worth remembering the LBJ quote (I heard from Sam Donaldson on Sunday), "It's better to have them inside the tent peeing out than outside the tent peeing in"

  •  'Is this what my money paid for?' (0+ / 0-)

    "Is this what my money paid for?"
    Line from the movie Dirty Dancing, delivered by Jerry Orbach playing the father character when he discovers that his daughter used his money to pay for a friend's illegal abortion.

    That's how I feel.

    Truth creates money. Lies destroy it. - Suze Orman

    by smartcookienyc on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:08:37 AM PST

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